From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #87 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 9 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 087 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Wal-Mart ["mack watson-bush" ] NJC Claudia's new CD [] Re: Here's the cover of the new Ian Shaw Joni Tribute CD [Nuriel Tobias <] Walmart culture (njc) [] Re: Here's the cover of the new Ian Shaw Joni Tribute CD [Bob Muller ] Re: Fw: Wal-mart can rot in hell njc (long) [Smurf ] Re: (NJC) An Apology [Smurf ] Judy's Seagulls Cover Photo [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Subject: Re: Great Radio Morning ["Ruth Davis" ] Re: Judy's Seagulls Cover Photo [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Walmart can rot in hell NJC ["Ruth Davis" ] Sweet Sixteen Joni Sampler [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] Our upcoming Joni tribute shows [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Then where do you shop? NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: njc Big Ten ["Mark Scott" ] Re: If at first...Sweet 16, Volume 1 ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Wal-Mart njc [Jerry Notaro ] Progress?, njc [lcstanley7@aol.com] Re: walmart njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Site [Jerry Notaro ] RE:Walmart, njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] Site [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Great Radio Morning ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Site (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: If at first...Sweet 16, Volume 1...ready for download again [Brian Gr] Re: David Gilmour CD: Just Released njc [Randy Remote ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #71 [" janine sherman" ] Re: Site (NJC) [Bob Muller ] Re: FW: Message re; River [Bob Muller ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #71 [Catherine McKay ] Re: Shopping NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: Wal-mart can rot in hell njc ["bluejr@adelphia.net" ] Re: walmart can rot in hell (njc) [waytoblue@comcast.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 01:57:22 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Wal-Mart Steve wrote: They of course will undercut local doctors etc with the usual Wal-Mart game plan. Sell the prescriptions etc. - --If they can undercut anyone in the healthcare industry, good for them. I dont' know any local physicians that are reasonable and even the one back in the little bitty town charged $70 bucks just to walk in the door. Have no sympathy for any of the drs., hospitals, etc. and surely not for the frecking drug companies. Luckily I have a good health plan this month but that could change at any time and I do not look forward to going back to the uninsured game that so many of my friends, colleagues, and Americans are left with. If Wal-Mart can give those services to the poor folks, good for them. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 00:40:54 -0800 From: Subject: NJC Claudia's new CD Claud, Wow - what a *gorgeous* compilation! I listened to every snippet 2-3 times. Also read the bios which were very fascinating. I never knew you played at the Woodstock festival in '94! It's wonderful to see you doing extensive touring and getting that talent heard! Congratulations and best wishes to you! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 01:14:46 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Here's the cover of the new Ian Shaw Joni Tribute CD That's a really a well taken photo. I liked the bad weather mood and the fact that Ian's sinking in the mud. Could it be Malibu? Love, Nuri Bob Muller wrote: http://s55.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=05XPROZPILQ1A3EY8B7RD4H13J - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 01:09:49 -0800 From: Subject: Walmart culture (njc) There are unbelievably only two Walmarts in the greater L.A. area. Most communities have been successful in keeping them out. I had to find one recently to buy some yarn for a 95 year old lady who loves to knit and had to have only a certain brand that you can buy at Walmart. (The brand, by the way was made in the "good old USA"). It was a challenge to find a Walmart somewhere in L.A. and when I did find it, it was in one of the worst parts of town in an industrial area next to a freeway. The store was filled with poor families stocking up on necessities like food and baby items. I also found a box of 10 tasty rib eye steaks (from the good old USA midwest, no less) there for only $13. I've heard stories of labor violations but ALL big corporations have those problems. I think it is not so much because they conspire to violate the law but because they are just so big and with bigness comes complexities and more wildcards in the mix. No matter how much managers and staff may be instructed in the law, sh*t always happens. I don't understand why Walmart is such a singular target with people. I know a number of "mom and pop" stores that probably break more labor laws, employee "undocumented workers" and pay people "under the table." The "mom and pop" stores in my neighborhood mark up the prices 40% - 50% over the chain stores and supermarkets. A big reason the chains provide lower prices is because they can buy in bulk and get bulk discounts and they can consolidate inventory and have lots of other advantages. I worked at various "mom and pop" stores when I was young and never made more than minimum wage and had no benefits. I kind of think it's the ugly aethestic of Walmart and the box stores that partly bothers people. And it sure comes across like lots of people don't want poor families in old beat up cars cruising through their neighborhoods. "Not in my backyard." On the other hand you have the wonderful Trader Joe's that has fed many a poor person, too. But their aesthetic is different - small, personalized, and all the discounted goodies come in a gourmet food presentation. You can be starving poor and yet never feel that way shopping at TJs. TJs, I've heard, treats their employees well with good wages and benefits. I've also heard from employees at Home Depot that they love working there partly because they get extremely generous profit sharing and other employee benefits. It seems like no matter where I shop everything is now made in China - even expensive clothing and shoes. I have no clue where to go shop anymore to find something made in the USA. I do think stores like Trader Joes, Costco, Home Depot and even Walmart are really godsends to many people, not only the poor with large families, but the working poor, retired people and your everyday person just trying to live within their means. I'd rather have them around than not. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 03:20:14 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Here's the cover of the new Ian Shaw Joni Tribute CD Surely not, but I'm not sure. My guess is that it's somewhere in the UK. But I can find out, and I will. Bob NP: The Clash, "Wrong 'Em Boyo" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 03:29:29 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Then where do you shop? NJC While you're right about our attitude towards money (the love of which is the root of all evil according to some), we are most definitely NOT saving and hoarding. For the first time since 1932, Americans are at a NEGATIVE savings rate. Let's see...1932...oh yeah, that was the heart of the GREAT DEPRESSION. And I love that "Deadeye Dick" Cheney admonished Americans last week for not saving - meanwhile Bill Frist and our other elected criminals are planning a secret session to raise the debt level (again) to 8.4 trillion or something like that. Our national security threats are not having the UAE manage our ports, it's the destruction of our economy. Bob NP: India.Arie, "God Is Real" - --- Lori Fye wrote: > I found another 2 pennies on the floor when I > got home ... > > > Tops is a big corporation...are they less > evil than Wal > > Mart? There is a small locally owned store > called Lori's > > Natural Foods...very limited what you can buy > and VERY > > expensive. We do go there from time to > time for select > > items. In the summer we grow some > vegetables and buy > > from local farmers stands. Trader Joe's > ..WIld > > Oats...how big are they? How greedy? Who > owns > > them? Is it just Wal Mart? Is it Wal > Mart is especially > > bad? > > In my opinion and obviously in the opinion of > of many other people, yes, > Wal-Mart is especially bad. Any company who > goes out of its way to avoid > providing health benefits to its employees is, > as far as I'm concerned, a > blight on the world and doing business with > them should be avoided. > > That's not to say other companies aren't bad. > The company I work for > chooses to provide as little in the way of > health insurance as possible (I > get $175 a month and am told to find my own > health plan, hahahahaha ... ever > tried doing that?), and this is the main reason > I am seeking another job > already, and the reason one other admin > assistant is looking to leave too. > > I don't know about Tops or Wild Oats. What we > all need to do is do > research, and find out what various companies' > policies are, etc. We're > lucky to have the internet to aid us with that > -- not that everything you > read is true. But here's something from Trader > Joe's: > > http://www.traderjoes.com/products/duck_meat.asp > > The other thing I go by is my gut feeling. How > does being in a store make > me feel? I feel pretty good when I'm in Trader > Joe's. When I'm in > Wal-Mart, or really any of the "big box" > stores, I feel ... not too good. > > The biggest problem with large corporations, I > think, is that they start out > with good intentions and good policies, and > then they start to make some > money and they get greedy. And then it's to > hell with their goodness and to > hell with their employees. > > It's kind of like what happened to many of the > "hippies" of the 60s and 70s > who, as they got older and found themselves > sliding into the mainstream, > shed their bellbottoms and sandals and put on > suits and wingtips or pumps > and started voting to keep their taxes low, > forgetting that it takes money > to keep the streetlights on and the sidewalks > repaired, to keep public > schools functioning with good teachers, to keep > the soup kitchens open so > the poorest among us don't starve, etc. > > It's just so sad that we allow money -- > pursuing it, saving it, hoarding it, > and all the other various relationships we have > with it -- to essentially > dictate our morals, or even eviscerate them. > > But we do, and typically without regard for > what happens down the road, or > how it ultimately affects the people we can't > see. Of course, America is > built on capitalism ... for good or evil. > (Guess which I think it is?) > > As I said, I'm guilty too -- although, when > voting, I'll never consider > whether a candidate will lower my taxes. I'll > happily pay more taxes, even > though I know the money will likely be > misappropriated. But I try very hard > to not do business with companies who are known > to be offensive to their > employees and/or to the world at large. > > Where do I shop? I do shop at Trader Joe's. > I've found their prices to be > comparable to or lower than stores like > Safeway. I shop at mom and pop > stores; I shop at vegetable stands. I realize > not everyone has all these > choices, but really ... isn't there some way to > not shop at Wal-Mart or > other places that do bad business? There must > be. > > I pray that there is. > > Lori Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 03:36:04 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Fw: Wal-mart can rot in hell njc (long) - --- Lori wrote: > What a bunch > of clutter we've created as humans. And for what? > Most of it is just > temporarily satisfying, then you have to go out for > more *stuff.* It's an > addiction. And, of course, valuable resources are used to create this *stuff* which, before you know it, just ends up being dumped in a landfill. - --Bob, getting ready to go see my own local Lori -- the physical therapist! Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 03:36:24 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Then where do you shop? NJC Bree - you and Kakki are right - there are many, many companies and corporations that are as crummy and even crummier than Wal-Mart. It's just that Wal-Mart is on such a grand scale (they are the USA's #1 employer) that their evils are magnified that much more, and their growth has been so intrusive and extensive that they become an easy target. Regardless, I won't shop there. By the same token, everyone gets freedom of choice. (Unless you're a woman in South Dakota, but that's for another day) I love to eat meat, but I know there are lots of Vegans here that could give me lots of reasons why THAT is evil. Ultimately you've got to do what is right for you. But what IS important is knowledge, and that's where we tend to fall short. And sadly, if we knew it all, we'd all be walking around naked and hungry, which would pretty much suck too. Bob NP: John Mayer, "My Stupid Mouth" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 03:39:42 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: (NJC) An Apology - --- Lori wrote: > I believe that I owe an apology to many of you and > perhaps to all of you, > for being so bitchy and sanctimonious. No problem, Lori. Altough I *was* shocked by your behavior because I have never seen ANYONE being bitchy and/or sanctimonious in this forum! XO, - --Smurf . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 03:40:02 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Judy's Seagulls Cover Photo I was wondering. I know this album cover of Judy C., i think it's her Best Of, where she's at the beach and playing with the seagulls hovering above her head. It always makes me think about Joni's own Seagull, maybe her strongets impression ever, and my question is - since i can't find out details - was Judy's photo taken as an homage to Joni's love to all flying things? To the seagulls? What's Joni's involvement in Judy's album cover, if at all? Thanks and love, Nuri - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 13:20:56 GMT From: "Ruth Davis" Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Great Radio Morning Hi, Bob! I hoped you might have heard something about this. Apparently some serious jazz musicians think Joni has jazz credibility, the reaction to Mingus notwithstanding. There is nothing like hearing a new Joni-related piece to brighten your day! Ruth - -- Bob Muller wrote: Not too many covers of that one yet, Ruth - a couple though...one is coming up on Volume 75 next month and it's ssssssmokin' good. Am not aware of any instrumental versions but I'm always on the prowl. Matter of fact, I found our first "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" cover today. Very exciting for me, which pretty much sums up what my life is like these days. Thanks for coming out of the shadows, always great to hear from you. Bob NP: Neil Young, "Without Rings" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:12:02 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Judy's Seagulls Cover Photo My guess would be it is a recreation of the scene from The Subject Was Roses, where Patricia Neal walks the beach with seagulls flying over head to Judy singing The Albatross from Wildflowers. Both the album and the movie were very popular at the time. Jerry > I was wondering. I know this album cover of Judy C., i think it's her Best Of, > where she's at the beach and playing with the seagulls hovering above her > head. It always makes me think about Joni's own Seagull, maybe her strongets > impression ever, and my question is - since i can't find out details - was > Judy's photo taken as an homage to Joni's love to all flying things? To the > seagulls? What's Joni's involvement in Judy's album cover, if at all? > > Thanks and love, > > Nuri > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:14:15 GMT From: "Ruth Davis" Subject: Re: Walmart can rot in hell NJC Lori wrote: Sometimes I wish I could move to another, brand new and empty planet, or at least to someplace where there's not a mall of any kind (least of all outlet malls, ugh) anywhere for 1,000 miles. ***************************************************************************** **************************** My husband Ray and I drove through Arizona last fall, and it rather fits this description, without having to leave the planet. Mesas, painted desert, big sky, horses wandering onto the road, Navajo radio playing - Indian country. I loved it and hope to return someday. Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:56:01 -0500 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Sweet Sixteen Joni Sampler ============================================ Hi Stewart. My favourite Joni covers are: Sara McLachlan - Blue, Laurent Cugny - Man From Mars Cris Wiiliamson and Holly Near - The Tea Leaf Prophecy George Michael - Edith and The Kingpin Bonnie Raitt - That Song About The Midway Gary Zack - Winter Lady kind of like spitting - The Last Time I Saw Richard Brian Kennedy - A Case of You Wilson Phillips - California Natalie Merchant - All I Want Judd Grossman - Carey There are are so many that I'm putting together my own compilation. Really Interesting List Mark - thanks. Bonnie Raitt's version of Midway seems to be a favorite of several others as well. I have never heard Spittings version of Last Time I saw Richard (for that matter, I have never heard of Kind of Like Spitting)? Any idea where I can locate it? Generally it takes me a while to warm up to Joni covers since they never do seem to convey the same "stuff" as Joni but more recently, I really have started to enjoy them. If you haven't heard KD Lang's version of Jericho I really recommend it.....Stewart - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 07:08:53 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Our upcoming Joni tribute shows Robin and I have some upcoming shows doing "The Songs of Joni Mitchell" in Southern California to tell you about, should there be any L.A or San Diego listers (besides Lindsay) who might want to come out for one (or several) of them. At the April 1st and Nov 4th show we'll be adding "Dreamland" and "Down to You" with the full beautiful piano arrangement played by the amazing Barnaby Finch (Lee Ritenour, Lionel Richie, George Benson). We're also working on adding "For the Roses" soon. The show list is a pdf file so I'm hoping it will appear as such in this post but if it doesn't I'll find out tomorrow morning and repost with the info in the email itself, formatting be damned!! thanks all, Dave Blackburn o?< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:10:25 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: njc, all of this talk about Wal-Mart now I worked for a year as a fundraiser for our local hospital which has within it a children's hospital... this children's hospital is one of about 170 in the nation that is part of the children's miracle network (cmn) which is a national org that helps raise money for children's hospitals (they bring in corporate sponsors like rite-aid, Costco, walmart, etc & the stores do special promotions like selling paper balloons to customers where all those funds raised in that store go to the local children's hospital)... it is a very cool idea to have the cmn group working on a national level... howevah...their biggest corporate sponsor by far is walmart... the way walmart is involved is that they 'allow' cmn to have a presence in their store (I think there may be one other charity they 'allow' in)... truthfully it is the employees that do the work in raising the funds from the customers but at the annual corporate meeting I attended (which included all the corporate cmn sponsors) walmart was the only one arrogant enough to suggest that because of the funds raised (by employees & customers... not from the coffers of the corporate profits which is the usual method) that they be considered for naming opportunities in the hospitals! (fundraising term for naming buildings or rooms after major donors)... I truly hope this never happens... can you imagine having to stomach seeing 'walmart children's hospital' in your hometown? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:22:14 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: walmart njc Don't get me wrong. . . I needed some pins yesterday. . .so guess where I went? Yep. . the big W. . . well, where else was I going to get pins? (as a side question. . . what was the last thing, non food related that you purchased?) so I bought these pins that I needed for school. . . to hang art work. . etc. . and I wanted to get them quick. . and I really did not know where to go. . There are no more five and dimes left around here. no more five and dimes no more five and dimes no more five and dimes and the sad thing is many 20 somethings never really had five and dimes around. . . no mom and pops so now. . . if you need something you can go to a convenience store. but the communities are breaking down. . . neighbors? porches? sidewalks? I could have gone to Michaels or joanne fabrics. . . but they are chains too. .. . "it's a sad, sad situation. . and it's getting . . . . " Big box. . paving over brave little parks . . . ( the line touches my soul) vacant stores build more stores vacant stores build more stores and still I shop there sometimes. . more on my mind. . . thanks for caring. .. . XO Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:22:09 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Then where do you shop? NJC Bree, My brother in law and sister moved to Rochester in the 70's because he works for Tops and opened all of their stores in the Rochester area. I also have nephews and cousins who work for Tops in the Buffalo area. The difference is Tops is unionized so their employees get good benefits and are compensated for their labor. WalMart, on the other hand, has threatened to close down any store and put thousands out of work if they are forced to unionize, and have fired people for trying. That, I think, is one big difference. Jerry, who has proudly NEVER crossed a picket line in his life. > I just wrote to Mack to tell him about the grocery stores in Rochester. We > have ..Wegman's..Tops and the super duper Wal Marts. When I lived in > Cincinnati it was Kroger's.. Meijers and Thriftway. Everyone who chimed in > on this thread have made some valid points...and gave me something to think > about. BUT....aren't all of these big fat huge corporations? For > instance..Wegman's have stores all over Rochester..but I won't shop there. > Marianne and I saw a video secretly shot by an animal rights group exposing > Wegman's cruelty to animals at their chicken farms...so Wegman's is out. > That leaves Tops and Wal mart. Tops is a big corporation...are they less > evil than Wal Mart? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 08:34:39 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: njc Big Ten > At Iowa it takes none. There is no electricity in > Iowa. > This a bald-faced lie! I was just there and they had all kindsa new-fangled gadgets! Including a Wal Mart right across the road from the Super-8! (It's hell trying to find a decent cup of coffee though.) Mom passed away about when I was heading to the airport last Thursday. She is at peace and reunited with Dad now. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 08:35:47 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: If at first...Sweet 16, Volume 1 I completely missed Volume 1. :-( Mark E. > > It did work this time, so - thanks! > > If that one expires and there are still a few > stragglers, on digest or whatever, that still need it > in the next day or two, let me know and I'll upload it > again. Share the wealth, I say, but don't cherish it > too much! > > > Catherine > Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:33:05 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Wal-Mart njc Marianne, We are all to blame for the Wal-Mart culture. They fill a void easily. We are like the senators who hire undocumented house workers or the farmers who hire cheap labor for picking tomatoes. Yes, these workers are free to choose not to, but are they really? The mom and pop stores, who charged higher prices (but made less profit) were a necessity years back. They were close by and always open. But as we became more mobile (and energy dependent) we were willing to drive further for lower prices and larger stores. Those mom and pop stores then became "convenience" store and themselves chain owned. Personally, I held off going to a Wal-Mart for years. When I finally went to one I was very impressed with the organization, the range of products, and especially with their produce, fresh seafood and bakery. Of course, I was very impressed with their prices. Oddly it did remind me of the city markets of my youth. So I guess we need to realize that there is a price to everything and think about whether we are willing to pay it. Jerry > Don't get me wrong. . . > > I needed some pins yesterday. . .so guess where I went? > > Yep. . the big W. . . > > well, where else was I going to get pins? > > > (as a side question. . . what was the last thing, non food related that you > purchased?) > > > so I bought these pins that I needed for school. . . > > to hang art work. . etc. . > > and I wanted to get them quick. . and I really did not know where to go. . > There are no more five and dimes left around here. > > no more five and dimes > no more five and dimes > no more five and dimes > > and the sad thing is many 20 somethings never really had five and dimes > around. . . > no mom and pops > > so now. . . if you need something you can go to a convenience store. > > but the communities are breaking down. . . neighbors? porches? sidewalks? > I could have gone to Michaels or joanne fabrics. . . but they are chains > too. .. . > > "it's a sad, sad situation. . and it's getting . . . . " > > Big box. . > paving over brave little parks . . . ( the line touches my soul) > vacant stores > build more stores > vacant stores > build more stores > > and still I shop there sometimes. . > > more on my mind. . . > > thanks for caring. .. . > > XO > Marianne > > _________________________________________________________________ > Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:43:43 -0500 From: lcstanley7@aol.com Subject: Progress?, njc Mack wrote: Progress? Another debate. Times change, we change. Might as well put the seat belt on and enjoy the ride. Hi Mack, Change is in a lot of songs. I like the one Judy Collins sang that goes, "Everything must change, nothing and no one stays the same.... except rain comes from the clouds, sun lights up the skies, hummingbirds flyyyyyy." I also have been fascinated since I first heard Dylan singing, "...your old road is rapidly agin'. Please get out of the new one, if you can't lend your hand. For the times they are a-changing." When I was a child, I hated changes. And, I was the daughter of an Air Force navigator, so we moved a lot, lots of changes. When I fell in love with the man I eventually married, one of the things I loved about him was the way he handled change. He was the one who had me listen to Judy Collin's sing everything must change. He was and still is so graceful about change. I wanted to go through change with him for the rest of my life and learn his gracefulness... which I am doing. It will be 21 years in June. He wouldn't give a discussion about the pros and cons of Walmart the time of day. He's never been one to bitch about much of anything really. One thing that comes to my mind about Robert and Walmart is the fact that Walmart recycles plastic bags and is about the only place in town he's found that does so. He brings plastic bags from other stores along with the ones from Walmart to recycle. Another connection between Robert and Walmart is he was Sam Walton's physician when Sam was near death here at UAMS where I work. He thought the world of Sam as he got to know him at that time. Change... it is the one thing we can be sure will happen as long as our planet keeps spinning and this universe is active. I have no idea what progress really is though. It is beyond me. Sometimes it seems we are making no progress at all and then something happens that gives meaning to everything that seemed not to be progress. That is not to say the means justify the ends, but it is to say that good can come from anything. No debate here, just thoughts. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:23:17 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: walmart njc Mar asked? > > > (as a side question. . . what was the last thing, non food related that you > purchased?) - --shampoo et soap, at kroger mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:10:57 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Site Can9t get into JoniMitchell.com. Anyone else having trouble? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 19:36:07 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE:Walmart, njc Hi Laura, I think I am of the same mind as you on this one. I know it started out one way from a desire to help those who did not have a lot of money buy what they needed. But I am not sure what is going on now. Did Sam Walton mean for it to go this far? I wonder. We'll never know though. I used to enjoy shopping at Wal Mart because I was and am the poor person who needed to be able to buy things at a decent price. But more and more, it becomes harder to do so. I had an extremely bad experience with my local Wal-Mart pharmacy and went up to the top with my complaint (it was ongoing and pretty bad) I received calls from the regional manager of the pharmacists promising to fire both people involved but when I talked to the manager of the local pharmacy, (the nice one) I heard her making excuses for this poop-head person in her employ. They offered me $20 bucks to stay, I took it, but with the exception of a sparse prescription or two, I don't plan to go back. It made me rethink everyting about the company. I don't think this is what Sam Walton intended...at least I hope it isn't. Sherelle Laura wrote: I have mixed feelings about Walmart. Arkansas is where Walmart started. Sam Walton, the founder, was just a simple country man in northwest Arkansas who had vision to improve the quality of life for people living in a similar situation to his own. He drove a beat up pick up truck even after he became rich. He was a simple man with good intentions. What Walmart has become is partly in keeping with his vision and partly not. It is making it possible for poorer people to have things they wouldn't otherwise have. But, at the same time, it has grown so big and is leaving room for little else in the way of similar business. Times change. Walmart is part of that change. I don't mind shopping at Walmart, but I shop other places too. An even bigger change now is the Internet. One can buy anything from anywhere with it. There is good in all of it as well as bad. We live and learn and here we are today with what is as it is. There is vanity in everything. Love, Laura Hi Laura, I think I am of the same mind as you on this one. Laura wrote: I have mixed feelings about Walmart. Arkansas is where Walmart started. Sam Walton, the founder, was just a simple country man in northwest Arkansas who had vision to improve the quality of life for people living in a similar situation to his own. He drove a beat up pick up truck even after he became rich. He was a simple man with good intentions. What Walmart has become is partly in keeping with his vision and partly not. It is making it possible for poorer people to have things they wouldn't otherwise have. But, at the same time, it has grown so big and is leaving room for little else in the way of similar business. Times change. Walmart is part of that change. I don't mind shopping at Walmart, but I shop other places too. An even bigger change now is the Internet. One can buy anything from anywhere with it. There is good in all of it as well as bad. We live and learn and here we are today with what is as it is. There is vanity in everything. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:34:56 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Site Finally got in. Must have been server problems. Thanks, Em. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 19:45:01 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Great Radio Morning Hi Ruth! It's so nice to see you post again! That is one Joni song that I've never had the pleasure of hearing but I will try to find it somewhere. I may have it! What CD is it on? So glad you got to catch the radio program! Doesn't feel like "fate" when something like this happens? Take care Ruth! Love, Sherelle Hello, all. I am delurking to report that I had a great radio evening last night. On a jazz program, I heard a tune that sounded strangely familiar. I am almost certain that it was a jazz take on "You Dream Flat Tires". They played a riff throughout the piece that sounded like the part of the song when Joni sings "I know that you love me, but when are you going to let love be" and her voice goes low, and then, as jazz versions do, they "went off" on it, improvising deconstructions and reconstructions of the melody. Flat Tires and Moon at the Window are my favorite songs from WTRF. Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:47:21 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Site (NJC) In a message dated 3/9/2006 2:32:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, notaro@stpt.usf.edu writes: > Can9t get into JoniMitchell.com. Anyone else having trouble? > > Jerry > That's because the JMDL isn't a small "Mom & Pop" operation anymore :~D Jimmy, who doesn't shop at Walmart because I don't want to walk 1 mile from a parking space and push my way through the mobs of annoying people! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:24:50 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: If at first...Sweet 16, Volume 1...ready for download again Here you go, Mark. http://s56.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=15PM3CY31QGUE15LZX214F0VPX I'm sorry about your Mom :-( You and Travis take good care, Brian - --- Mark Scott wrote: > I completely missed Volume 1. - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:33:25 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: David Gilmour CD: Just Released njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" > That was supposed to go off-list. :) Nice. Seriously, I'm overwhelmed, you guys are so nice. Pink Floyd are def. an influence to me, as reflected in the intro to my cd...watching Gilmour play on the video, damn, he is a guitar god...expected lyrics to be lacking, but hopefully a few sublime instrumental passages will make up for it. Roger Waters has his new opera out now, too...not a rock opera, a real opera about the French Revolution...though I understand the version they're selling in the US has been translated from French to English...I'm curious, but...a plus that he's not singing, I guess Anyhoo..yeah the kickback will be the same.. RR ps hope you like it Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:26:08 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: walmart njc - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > (as a side question. . . what was the last thing, > non food related that you > purchased?) Paint. Paint. And more paint. Not at Walmart. But at Home Depot, which is probably almost as bad. I am sick of paint. > no more five and dimes > no more five and dimes > no more five and dimes > > and the sad thing is many 20 somethings never really > had five and dimes > around. . . That's because you can't buy anything for five or a dime anymore. Now they've got dollar stores. Is that just a Canadian thing? There's one called the Loony Bin - ha ha! - after our dollar coin (the loony because it has a loon on it.) > > but the communities are breaking down. . . > neighbors? porches? sidewalks? I've always wanted a decent front porch. But you can keep basements! That's what I've been repairing, cleaning and painting all week. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:38:36 -0500 From: " janine sherman" Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #71 Hey all, Is there hope after all? In the Showtime premier of All We Are Saying, Joni says something like she did not get savvy until she quit the business, which was last year. Rosanna says, "I think this is a terrible tragedy." Joni responds with, " well either I've quit or I'm taking a sabbatical, I don't know." She also says she still gets the MUSE, she writes things down but then reacts like a horse refusing the jump, refusing to take it any further. She demonstrated that with the jerking of her head like a horse does refusing the jump! (twice) There is an opening shot where Rosanna is waiting for her and Joni strolls down a path ( presumably at her place in Bel Air ) with the Jack Russell at her heels. They are sipping wine at a mosaic tile outside table and Joni is smoking. She looks relaxed and her nails look freshly manicured! I have it burnt to DVD, but have no idea how to do copies. I am willing if someone can take it from there. Lots of other artist angst and frustration filmed in this documentary. Much geared toward music downloading. All the best, Janine in Gettysburg NP: Man on the Moon REM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:16:15 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni Dream Had a Joni dream this morning : We were having our annual chat about the meaning of life and Joni said that she'll be anything but bored during her retirement. I can divulge the real reason why she didn't go to Carnegie; Joni is actually a tall man with whitish hair and a mustach, now bearing a resemblance with John Cleese. Who would have guessed she was hiding this for all these years? Crazy uh! Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:30:19 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Site (NJC) Jimmy, you gotta read this based on what you said. A funny bit of synchronicity published today about Wal-Mart. (WARNING: NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT) http://www.thephatphree.com/features.asp?SectionID=11&StoryID=2230&LayoutType=1 Bob NP: Iris Koch, "All I Want" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:35:05 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: FW: Message re; River Hi Emma - my "analysis" of River: In a bushel full of top-notch songs, River is surely one of Joni's finest and emotionally strongest. Following the pattern of some of the other songs on Blue, it takes universal themes and makes them become personal. One of her top five recorded songs, it's been recorded over a hundred times by others, mostly on Christmas or Holiday collections which I find a little strange sometimes, but then again I suppose it's also pretty appropriate. Christmas is, after all, one of the most depressing and suicidal times of year for many. And that's exactly how Joni sets it up: "It's coming on Christmas They're cutting down trees They're putting up reindeer And singing songs of joy and peace Oh I wish I had a river I could skate away on" (A conflict between seasonal joy and her own sorrow. She certainly is experiencing neither joy nor peace.) "But it don't snow here It stays pretty green I'm going to make a lot of money Then I'm going to quit this crazy scene Oh I wish I had a river I could skate away on" Contrasting the Canadian Christmases of her childhood with the evergreen Christmases of California, she yearns for the temperatures that would freeze the ponds and allow her escape, or at least a diversion. And an interesting note about the cutting down of trees; from "Big Yellow Taxi" to Hejira's "Song For Sharon", she contrasts ecological concerns with affairs of the heart, and ultimately finds herself yearning for love rather than ecological solutions. "All I really want to do right now is...find another lover" (Song For Sharon). "He tried hard to help me You know, he put me at ease And he loved me so naughty Made me weak in the knees Oh, I wish I had a river I could skate away on" But finding another lover is not her concern in "River"; rather it's a song of mourning for a lost love who was so passionate he affected her on every level; physically, emotionally, psychologically. And following on the "tried hard to help me" line, she then proceeds to blame herself and her personality traits for the fact that things didn't work out. "I'm so hard to handle I'm selfish and I'm sad Now I've gone and lost the best baby That I ever had I wish I had a river I could skate away on Oh, I wish I had a river so long I would teach my feet to fly I wish I had a river I could skate away on I made my baby say goodbye" So, unlike so many of the songs (of others in the pop/rock genre) that preceded River, it's not a case of being sad because "my baby left me", but it goes to a deeper level (*I* made my baby say goodbye) and expresses the despair that is compounded by the fact that SHE has caused this tragedy to happen, like she could have prevented it. That emphasis definitely raises the bar emotionally for River and is likely one of the reasons it is such a powerful song. Bob NP: Joni, "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:40:48 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #71 - --- janine sherman wrote: > Hey all, > > Is there hope after all? > > [Joni] says she still gets the MUSE, she writes > things down but then > reacts like a horse refusing the jump, refusing to > take it any further. She > demonstrated that with the jerking of her head like > a horse does refusing > the jump! (twice) Don't refuse da muse! I wonder if it's possible to refuse the muse. Muses can be awfully persistant. Or they can just leave without warning. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 19:03:00 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Shopping NJC LOL Bob, You're right about the article not being politically correct, and I'll probably get kicked off the JMDL..........but I thought the artical was right on the money. Like you, I hate Malls. I haven't been in one in over 10 yrs, but I really find Walmart especially annoying. Then again, I don't like shopping for groceries or clothes. That's what Ed is for. LOL Jimmy In a message dated 3/9/2006 6:30:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, scjoniguy@yahoo.com writes: > don't want to walk 1 mile from a > parking space and push my way through the mobs > of annoying people!> > > Jimmy, you gotta read this based on what you > said. A funny bit of synchronicity published > today about Wal-Mart. > > (WARNING: NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT) > > http://www.thephatphree.com/features.asp?SectionID=11&StoryID=2230& > LayoutType=1 > > Bob > > NP: Iris Koch, "All I Want" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 19:28:23 -0500 From: "bluejr@adelphia.net" Subject: RE: Wal-mart can rot in hell njc This country is SO circling the drain...it shouldn't be long at this rate. JR - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:47:38 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: RE:NJC Claudia's new CD The clips sound great-very down-home acoustic folk, cool songwriting and harmonies reminiscent of Ian & Silvia. Congrats on your new release! > Hooray!!! I was just getting ready to post about Claudia and Randall's new > CD!!! Thank you so much Bob!!! I am listening to the clips now and they > are sooooo good!!! Let's all support Claudia and buy her CD!!!! This is my > "Angel Voice"!!! Hooray!!! > > Sherelle > > Bob wrote: > > Those of you who have heard Claudia SanSoucie > (that's a BUNCH of us), and those who heard > Randall & Claudia at Jonifest 2005 will want to > pick up on their new release, out today: > > http://cdbaby.com/cd/randallclaudia > > Listen to some samples, add it to your cart, > check out. Simple. > > Go Claud!!! > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:07:26 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: walmart can rot in hell (njc) This message has been processed by Symantec's AntiVirus Technology. Unknown00000000.data was not scanned for viruses because too many nested levels of files were found. For more information on antivirus tips and technology, visit http://ses.symantec.com/ Received: from rmailcenter79.comcast.net ([204.127.197.179]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060310030727m13001sdlse>; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:07:27 +0000 Received: from [24.128.69.67] by rmailcenter79.comcast.net; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:07:26 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: walmart can rot in hell (njc) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:07:26 +0000 Message-Id: <031020060307.28682.4410ED6D000CC4F30000700A22007610640A9A04 0D019B970E99@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: d2F5dG9ibHVlQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was multipart/alternative I've been an employee of Whole Foods Market for three years. I'm part time now, two days a week because I'm in school full time, but anyway, I'm a lot happier and I can tell you, the store I work at is very dysfunctional and some of the team leaders there are the greediest and most selfish people I have ever met. Just because they sell the best products possible, all natural and organic and all that, doesn't mean that alot of the people who move up into leadership don't mostly care about themselves and how much money they can make which I have found to be the case based on my experience there. I personally do not like Walmart and avoid going there which is mostly based on just a gut feeling and I happen to like Target and speaking of department stores, got a great deal today from Marshalls on some Red Sox gear up here in New Hampshire which mad me very happy since I can't afford the $200 plus dollars it would have cost to buy the same things at full original price from a MLB store. The bottom line is I don't depend on material things to make me happy but I'm not going to pretend I don't enjoy certain things which I most definately do. Like whatever, you know.... Anyway, I'm having a great time so far in New England though it definately is different than Savannah, where I just was for two days. Victor, feeling rather disoriented but in a good way ps. I totally dig the new David Gilmour! [demime 0.97c-p1 removed a section which didn't have a content-type header] ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #87 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------