From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #86 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 9 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 086 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: David Gilmour CD: Just Released njc [Bob Muller ] RE: David Gilmour CD: Just Released njc [Em ] RE: David Gilmour CD: Just Released njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] njc, all of this talk about Wal-Mart now ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: njc, all of this talk about Wal-Mart now [vince ] Fw: Wal-mart can rot in hell njc (long) ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Fw: Wal-mart can rot in hell njc (long) ["mack watson-bush" ] Then where do you shop? NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Then where do you shop? NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Fw: Wal-mart can rot in hell njc (long) ["Lori Fye" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:11:49 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: David Gilmour CD: Just Released njc And it IS right - no comparison. Just wish Corry's could rack up the numbers that Dave's will. Cdbaby couldn't keep up. Bob NP: Joni, "Ethiopia" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:22:14 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: RE: David Gilmour CD: Just Released njc just ordered Corry's Cd. Have been meaning to do so for months now. Thx, both of you, for the reminder. Looking forward to it. Em :) - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Dave's. Yeah, that sounds right.> > > And it IS right - no comparison. Just wish > Corry's could rack up the numbers that Dave's > will. Cdbaby couldn't keep up. > > Bob > > NP: Joni, "Ethiopia" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:37:17 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: David Gilmour CD: Just Released njc Randy, will you be sending a special kickback this time or just the monthly one? All the best, Jim > From: Em [mailto:emzdogz@yahoo.com] > just ordered Corry's Cd. Have been meaning to do so for months now. > Thx, both of you, for the reminder. Looking forward to it. > Em > :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:38:29 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: David Gilmour CD: Just Released njc That was supposed to go off-list. :) Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama [mailto:jlamadoo@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:37 PM > To: Em; Bob Muller; Randy Remote; JMDL > Subject: RE: David Gilmour CD: Just Released njc > > Randy, will you be sending a special kickback this time or just > the monthly one? > > All the best, > Jim > > From: Em [mailto:emzdogz@yahoo.com] > > just ordered Corry's Cd. Have been meaning to do so for months now. > > Thx, both of you, for the reminder. Looking forward to it. > > Em > > :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 03:25:33 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, laughing it all away with Em & Jimmy Our em wrote: oops, sorry just meant to giggle back towards Jimmy, not the whole list. sorry :) em - - --- Em wrote: >lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:) >em > No problemo, Joniamiga! Laugh and the whole Joni world laughs with you! Love, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 19:47:31 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Wal-mart can rot in hell njc (long) A couple of people have written to me off list to say that this thread has become quite interesting, encouraging me to take a peek. Made me so curious, I finally broke down and read the last two digests. Kind of wish I hadn't now, but ... sigh ... here I am again ... with some comments. If you can hang on until the end, I have something I really would like all of you to know about Wal-Mart (or just skip right down to "much better story"). mack: > I, for one, like Wal-Mart and though the small operations had their > good points, they had some bad ones as well. I like being able to get what > I want when I want it. I like 24 hours a day stores. I didn't like having > to wait for what I wanted until another day or the weekend was over. Sam > Walton put a product out there that works. More power to him. Progress? > Another debate. Times change, we change. Might as well put the seat belt > on and enjoy the ride. mack, you know I love you, but  when did you join the Log Cabin Repugs?? With your "me first, I want" way of thinking, you've summed up Wal-Mart Culture perfectly. Smurf: > Recognize this? > Dreamer > I know that glamour is sexy > Oh dream on dreamer > What could go wrong? > Dream on > Who cares! My friend, you and I are on the same wavelength, exactly. See my profile in the Gallery, which I changed yesterday. Vince: > shop at a place with a proven record of discrimination against women, > against minorities, having a business plan of hiring illegals so they > can underpay and exploit. But  Vince!?! See mack's viewpoint, above. Reminds me some verses from Jonatha Brooke's song, "War": It's the American way, the new world order We hold these truths to be self-evident In the American day, you must give and I shall take And I will tell you what is moral and what's just Because I want, because I will, because I can So will I Because I want, because I will, because I can So will I, (Oh, say can you see) Because I want, because I will, because I can So will I Of course Jonatha is singing about war and our "right" to kill, but killing is all relative, isn't it? Kill people, kill off mom and pop stores, kill a way of life ... and then turn around and build a cute little sanitized community with a town square and stores you can walk to, that *looks* just like the ones you remembered when you growing up. Only it's not anything remotely like it at all. But you sure can pretend it is, while you swill your can of Tab Energy . Bob: > BUT, it's hard to blame them...like so many > others they just gambled on good old American > greed - and it paid off big time. It would be more appropriate to say that Wal-Mart has GOBBLED up the American dream  and spit it right back in our faces. If you've stayed this long, here are a couple of things for you to consider: I have two friends, both named Mary. One of them is my partner. The other is an air traffic controller who makes (by her own admission) at least $100,000 a year. She is one of my best and oldest friends, whom I've known for nearly 30 years. Air Traffic Controller Mary is a proud Chicana, and her great uncle was one of the original founders of the Brown Berets . ATC Mary has always rallied behind civil rights for everyone, particularly (and naturally) for Mexican-American people. However, recently ATC Mary revealed that she shops regularly at Wal-Mart. Why? Because it's open 24/7 and, she says, considering her varied work hours, it's the only store that's open when she has time off. ATC Mary's boyfriend and I are appalled that she, who can well afford to shop just about anywhere else, persists in shopping at Wally World and said boyfriend and I are educating her and working on changing her shopping habits. Working, I said ... Yesterday ATC Mary offered to send me a web cam that she purchased at Wal-Mart, because she found another that she likes better. I would like to have a web cam and don't have the extra cash right now to buy one. A free one would be nice. However, I politely declined, telling her, "Thanks, but no. Please do not send me anything that you purchased at Wal-Mart." I just can't in good conscience accept a gift I know came from Wal-Mart. But here's a *much better story*: My partner Mary has done a lot of work on her family genealogy. Last year she learned that her family originally settled in Maryland but eventually moved and resettled in North Carolina, near what became Brevard, NC. There's a huge national family reunion held in Brevard every year, so we attended last year. Some 300 people attended from all over the country. In Brevard there is a great big Wal-Mart; you can't miss it as you drive through town. It sits right next door to the hotel where the reunion is headquartered, and it's across the street from a restaurant owned by one of Mary's cousins, where we had one of the reunion's meals. Also in Brevard is the Allison-Deaver House, which is the original North Carolina homestead for Mary's branch of her family. Construction of this house was begun in 1815, and the house has a long and colorful history. It's quite startling to see this beautiful old house, nestled in what remains of a surrounding wooded area, at the edge of the Wal-Mart parking lot. However  it's also The House That Almost Disappeared. For, in the 1980s, Wal-Mart bought the property that included the Allison-Deaver House, and proceeded to build its "shopping center" on the property. Wal-Mart's plans for the house were, quite simply, to demolish it. I guess Wal-Mart's philosophy was, "Screw the history of an original American family; we need more parking!" Just three days before the scheduled razing, a group of family members and other citizens was able to get an injunction to stop the demolition. An anonymous gift allowed for the house and the land it sits upon to be purchased back from Wal-Mart. (Mighty white of ol' Wal-Mart to sell it back, eh? I wonder how much arm twisting and payola it really took to get that to happen.) I am here to tell you that I stood in the Allison-Deaver House with my partner last summer, and I can't begin to express to you how much it meant to Mary to be able to stand inside that house. The idea that Wal-Mart almost took that away from her and from her cousins and from their descendants was enough to make us feel ill  and certainly was enough to ensure we will NEVER shop in a Wal-Mart again. To Wal-Mart, for having no regard for Americana and for all of the other shitty things it does everyday to put more money on top of the piles it already has, I say: Fuck you. As for those of you who shop there, get a conscience, please. No, it's not the only wrong place to do business, but it's one of the worst and I don't care how little money you have, you CAN do differently. Find a way. You'll sleep better for it. Climbing down from soapbox now  thanks for reading. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 03:50:42 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, all of this talk about Wal-Mart now After all of this talk about Wal-Mart now, I went to open my regular snailmail and saw this (pasted below) in my union newsletter (from www.aftct.org)...good news from MD. Hello Paul in MD! And Mike Hood, are you from MD, too? (Sorry if I'm wrong about that....this woman is fading in a suburban room.) Just thought I would share this, because of all the discussion here today. I love synchronicity! It makes my heart sing. It makes everything....groovy. Love, Patti P. Maryland First State to Make Corporations Pay Their Fair Share In a significant win for working families, the Maryland Legislature late on Jan. 12 overrode Republican Gov. Robert Ehrlichs veto of a bill that would require large corporations to provide affordable health care for their Maryland employees. In passing the Fair Share Health Care bill, Maryland became the first state to require its largest employers to spend 8 percent of their payroll on health care for their workers. Of the four employers in the state with more than 10,000 workers, only Wal-Mart does not meet the 8 percent threshold for employee health care. In May 2005, Ehrlichwith a top Wal-Mart executive by his sidevetoed the bill. "What the Maryland victory shows is that the tide is turning because working people are not just fed upthey are ready to get active to set our country in a different direction, one state at a time," says AFL-CIO President John J. Sweeney. "The time is ripe for change." Maryland is among 33 states where working families, their unions and community allies are joining with the AFL-CIO in launching Fair Share Health Care campaigns to ensure the largest corporations stop shifting health care insurance costs onto workers, taxpayers and other businesses. Fair Share Health Care legislation will reduce the bill taxpayers pay to cover profitable corporations employee expenses, ease the financial strain states face in growing Medicaid costs and help level the playing field between companies that provide good jobs and benefits and those that dont. Among corporations forcing communities to provide public health care, Wal-Mart pays its hundreds of thousands of employees such low wages they cant afford company health benefits. Although Wal-Mart made $10 billion last year in profits, 46 percent of the children of Wal-Marts 1.33 million U.S. workers are either uninsured or on Medicaid, according to Wal-Marts own information. In addition, fewer than half of Wal-Marts workers have health care coverage on the job, according to an October 2003 AFL-CIO report. Many Wal-Mart workers and their families turn to emergency rooms and other public health services as their only health care option. In 12 of the 13 states where data has been released and analyzed, Wal-Mart workers rely on public health programs more than workers from any other company in those states. Two polls released Jan. 10 show the majority of Marylanders believe Ehrlich, a staunch supporter of President George W. Bush, is wrong and that Wal-Mart should be required to spend more on health benefits for its 17,000 employees in Maryland. According to a Zogby International poll, some 66 percent of adults say legislators should overrule Ehrlichs veto, as did 55 percent of those contacted in a Gonzales-Arscott Research poll. Michigan, Wisconsin and Washington are among states considering similar legislation. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 04:00:25 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, all of this talk about Wal-Mart now Here's the cartoon that accompanied that article: http://solidarity.com/hkcartoons/mikefeb5.html And now, that's all (Joni) folks! Bisous, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:03:17 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Wal-mart can rot in hell njc (long) Lori Fye wrote: > As for those of you who shop there, get a conscience, please. No, it's not > >the only wrong place to do business, but it's one of the worst and I don't >care how little money you have, you CAN do differently. Find a way. You'll >sleep better for it. > >Climbing down from soapbox now  thanks for reading. > >Lori > > Thanks for posting. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:04:43 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: njc, all of this talk about Wal-Mart now God bless Maryland! Patti Parlette wrote: > After all of this talk about Wal-Mart now, I went to open my regular > snailmail and saw this (pasted below) in my union newsletter (from > www.aftct.org)...good news from MD. Hello Paul in MD! And Mike Hood, > are you from MD, too? (Sorry if I'm wrong about that....this woman is > fading in a suburban room.) Just thought I would share this, because > of all the discussion here today. I love synchronicity! It makes my > heart sing. It makes everything....groovy. > > Love, > > Patti P. > > > Maryland First State to Make Corporations Pay Their Fair Share > > In a significant win for working families, the Maryland Legislature > late on Jan. 12 overrode Republican Gov. Robert Ehrlichs veto of a > bill that would require large corporations to provide affordable > health care for their Maryland employees. > > In passing the Fair Share Health Care bill, Maryland became the first > state to require its largest employers to spend 8 percent of their > payroll on health care for their workers. Of the four employers in the > state with more than 10,000 workers, only Wal-Mart does not meet the 8 > percent threshold for employee health care. In May 2005, Ehrlichwith > a top Wal-Mart executive by his sidevetoed the bill. > > "What the Maryland victory shows is that the tide is turning because > working people are not just fed upthey are ready to get active to set > our country in a different direction, one state at a time," says > AFL-CIO President John J. Sweeney. "The time is ripe for change." > > Maryland is among 33 states where working families, their unions and > community allies are joining with the AFL-CIO in launching Fair Share > Health Care campaigns to ensure the largest corporations stop shifting > health care insurance costs onto workers, taxpayers and other businesses. > > Fair Share Health Care legislation will reduce the bill taxpayers pay > to cover profitable corporations employee expenses, ease the > financial strain states face in growing Medicaid costs and help level > the playing field between companies that provide good jobs and > benefits and those that dont. > > Among corporations forcing communities to provide public health care, > Wal-Mart pays its hundreds of thousands of employees such low wages > they cant afford company health benefits. Although Wal-Mart made $10 > billion last year in profits, 46 percent of the children of Wal-Marts > 1.33 million U.S. workers are either uninsured or on Medicaid, > according to Wal-Marts own information. In addition, fewer than > half of Wal-Marts workers have health care coverage on the job, > according to an October 2003 AFL-CIO report. > > Many Wal-Mart workers and their families turn to emergency rooms and > other public health services as their only health care option. In 12 > of the 13 states where data has been released and analyzed, Wal-Mart > workers rely on public health programs more than workers from any > other company in those states. > > Two polls released Jan. 10 show the majority of Marylanders believe > Ehrlich, a staunch supporter of President George W. Bush, is wrong and > that Wal-Mart should be required to spend more on health benefits for > its 17,000 employees in Maryland. According to a Zogby International > poll, some 66 percent of adults say legislators should overrule > Ehrlichs veto, as did 55 percent of those contacted in a > Gonzales-Arscott Research poll. Michigan, Wisconsin and Washington > are among states considering similar legislation. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:39:22 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Fw: Wal-mart can rot in hell njc (long) > > mack, you know I love you, but  when did you join the Log Cabin Repugs?? > > > > With your "me first, I want" way of thinking, you've summed up Wal-Mart > > Culture perfectly. > > --Those comments are below the belt and I don't appreciate them. That's > love, on what planet? And for what, because I wrote I like to shop at > Wal-Mart. Well, crucify me for that. You know very, very little about me. > I don't purport to be a saint or above the needs or wants of common man nor > do I have the urge to post constantly on what a good human being I am. > Neither do I find the need to post here on every subject as if I am the > expert. I will leave the all-knowing, sanctimonious posts to those that > perform them so well. Love and Peace? Right. Sounds good, reads well. > There is no one here, on the JMDL, that doesn't participate in the machinery > that spoils this earth. Not once person here that doesn't buy products that > add to corporate greed. Maybe I'm just a little more honest about it. > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:51:47 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Fw: Wal-mart can rot in hell njc (long) > There is no one here, on the JMDL, that doesn't participate in the > machinery that spoils this earth. Not once person here that doesn't buy products > that add to corporate greed. Maybe I'm just a little more honest about it. You're right about that, mack, and I owe you an apology for hitting you below the belt. I'm sorry. It does freak me out when people openly display an "I want, I'm going to get, I don't care what it does to anyone else" attitude. But you're correct: most of us, particularly Americans, do contribute to the fucked up corporate way of life that is ruining the U.S. and the world. I'm guilty, too. We should all be honest about our participation in ruining society and the earth, because most of us are, in some way, doing that. Again, sorry for lashing out at you. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:16:07 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: njc, Wal-Mart culture & TV Catherine mentioned K-Tel. Yes, we have them too Catherine, or used to. As a teen bought one of those multiple hit versions after seeing the ad on t.v. So excited when it arrived but that didn't last long when I listened and found the tunes were only shortie versions of the originals. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 21:23:36 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Wal-mart can rot in hell njc (long) One last thought before I head home for the night: The way I see it, the only way to save the planet and be fair to its people is to STOP SOMEWHERE, with something. My opinion is that you begin this process by no longer doing business with the most egregious of the offending companies. And you go from there. Stop doing business with one offending entity at a time, more if you can. That's my hope and my strategy, and also the last "2 cents" I have in my pocket right now. Lori, who should've listened to my own gut about checking into to the JMDL again ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:27:59 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Fw: Wal-mart can rot in hell njc (long) Lori wrote:. > > You're right about that, mack, and I owe you an apology for hitting you > below the belt. I'm sorry. > > It does freak me out when people openly display an "I want, I'm going to > get, I don't care what it does to anyone else" attitude. But you're > correct: most of us, particularly Americans, do contribute to the fucked up > corporate way of life that is ruining the U.S. and the world. I'm guilty, > too. We should all be honest about our participation in ruining society and > the earth, because most of us are, in some way, doing that. > - --Thanks for the apology. I didn't display anything remotely close to an attitude about not caring about anyone else. As for my wants, I do have them. We all do and use them countless times during each day. I shop at Wal-Mart for the prices and cannot afford the luxuries I hear about here every day. My cash is spent on the mortgage, the animals, and my family. Just for the record, I personally know two Wal-Mart employees. They love their jobs and love the company. Interesting that everyone is so up in the air about Wal-Mart. Hardly a problem just with them. Convalescent centers here do not, as a rule, offer insurance and treat their employees as nothing more than badly treated dogs. As for my endeavors pertaning to my fellow man, non-humans, and the environment, I will leave that to those in the know. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 21:35:27 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: njc, Wal-Mart culture & TV >Reminds me of the Tom Waits classic "Step Right Up"... That's right, it filets, it chops, it dices, slices, Never stops, lasts a lifetime, mows your lawn< Bass-o-matic? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 01:11:20 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Then where do you shop? NJC I just wrote to Mack to tell him about the grocery stores in Rochester. We have ..Wegman's..Tops and the super duper Wal Marts. When I lived in Cincinnati it was Kroger's.. Meijers and Thriftway. Everyone who chimed in on this thread have made some valid points...and gave me something to think about. BUT....aren't all of these big fat huge corporations? For instance..Wegman's have stores all over Rochester..but I won't shop there. Marianne and I saw a video secretly shot by an animal rights group exposing Wegman's cruelty to animals at their chicken farms...so Wegman's is out. That leaves Tops and Wal mart. Tops is a big corporation...are they less evil than Wal Mart? There is a small locally owned store called Lori's Natural Foods...very limited what you can buy and VERY expensive. We do go there from time to time for select items. In the summer we grow some vegetables and buy from local farmers stands. Trader Joe's ..WIld Oats...how big are they? How greedy? Who owns them? Is it just Wal Mart? Is it Wal Mart is especially bad? Bree PS. I just found out last week that our electric company ..National Grid ..was bought up by a company based in the UK. Too late to think about this one..does it really matter? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:29:09 -0500 From: Subject: Wal-Mart I saw on tv last week Wal-Mart is going to start having a clinic inside the stores so customers can go to Wal-Mart for minor sicknesses as well. They of course will undercut local doctors etc with the usual Wal-Mart game plan. Sell the prescriptions etc. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:57:01 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Then where do you shop? NJC I found another 2 pennies on the floor when I got home ... > Tops is a big corporation...are they less evil than Wal > Mart? There is a small locally owned store called Lori's > Natural Foods...very limited what you can buy and VERY > expensive. We do go there from time to time for select > items. In the summer we grow some vegetables and buy > from local farmers stands. Trader Joe's ..WIld > Oats...how big are they? How greedy? Who owns > them? Is it just Wal Mart? Is it Wal Mart is especially > bad? In my opinion and obviously in the opinion of of many other people, yes, Wal-Mart is especially bad. Any company who goes out of its way to avoid providing health benefits to its employees is, as far as I'm concerned, a blight on the world and doing business with them should be avoided. That's not to say other companies aren't bad. The company I work for chooses to provide as little in the way of health insurance as possible (I get $175 a month and am told to find my own health plan, hahahahaha ... ever tried doing that?), and this is the main reason I am seeking another job already, and the reason one other admin assistant is looking to leave too. I don't know about Tops or Wild Oats. What we all need to do is do research, and find out what various companies' policies are, etc. We're lucky to have the internet to aid us with that -- not that everything you read is true. But here's something from Trader Joe's: http://www.traderjoes.com/products/duck_meat.asp The other thing I go by is my gut feeling. How does being in a store make me feel? I feel pretty good when I'm in Trader Joe's. When I'm in Wal-Mart, or really any of the "big box" stores, I feel ... not too good. The biggest problem with large corporations, I think, is that they start out with good intentions and good policies, and then they start to make some money and they get greedy. And then it's to hell with their goodness and to hell with their employees. It's kind of like what happened to many of the "hippies" of the 60s and 70s who, as they got older and found themselves sliding into the mainstream, shed their bellbottoms and sandals and put on suits and wingtips or pumps and started voting to keep their taxes low, forgetting that it takes money to keep the streetlights on and the sidewalks repaired, to keep public schools functioning with good teachers, to keep the soup kitchens open so the poorest among us don't starve, etc. It's just so sad that we allow money -- pursuing it, saving it, hoarding it, and all the other various relationships we have with it -- to essentially dictate our morals, or even eviscerate them. But we do, and typically without regard for what happens down the road, or how it ultimately affects the people we can't see. Of course, America is built on capitalism ... for good or evil. (Guess which I think it is?) As I said, I'm guilty too -- although, when voting, I'll never consider whether a candidate will lower my taxes. I'll happily pay more taxes, even though I know the money will likely be misappropriated. But I try very hard to not do business with companies who are known to be offensive to their employees and/or to the world at large. Where do I shop? I do shop at Trader Joe's. I've found their prices to be comparable to or lower than stores like Safeway. I shop at mom and pop stores; I shop at vegetable stands. I realize not everyone has all these choices, but really ... isn't there some way to not shop at Wal-Mart or other places that do bad business? There must be. I pray that there is. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:07:21 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Fw: Wal-mart can rot in hell njc (long) > As for my wants, I do have them. We all do and use them > countless times during each day. I shop at Wal-Mart for > the prices and cannot afford the luxuries I hear about here > every day. My cash is spent on the mortgage, the > animals, and my family. Maybe the good fortune I have is that I don't have a lot of wants. There's just not a lot of *stuff* that I want. In fact, I can't stand that there's so much *stuff* in the world. It's a big pet peeve of mine. I often look around and wonder what a visitor from another planet would think, arriving on Earth and seeing all of this damn *stuff.* What a bunch of clutter we've created as humans. And for what? Most of it is just temporarily satisfying, then you have to go out for more *stuff.* It's an addiction. I'm not talking about art, books, music, although that's all certainly subjective and I often see, read, and listen and think, "WTF????" Or maybe ALL of the *stuff* everywhere, all of the junk in the store that so many people are all the time shopping for, is some form of art and I should be more tolerant? Sometimes I wish I could move to another, brand new and empty planet, or at least to someplace where there's not a mall of any kind (least of all outlet malls, ugh) anywhere for 1,000 miles. It's my blessing and my curse, I guess, to not want *stuff.* My blessing because I've been working successfully to declutter my life, and my curse because I can't stand seeing other people clutter their own lives and consequently feed the corporate machine that makes more ... *stuff." It just makes me want to say, "Stuff it." ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:29:14 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) An Apology Considering I un*s*ubbed a couple of days ago and have now posted more in the last few hours than I have in months (at least within this forum), it probably seems like I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth, or maybe like I'm losing it. Perhaps. I'm not quite sure what all is up with me (or up my whatzit) ... it's a bunch of things beginning with moving across the country and changing jobs 3 months ago, living in a temporary home, and being separated from my partner pretty much constantly since December. (And you know there may be more ...) I'm not asking for sympathy, or even empathy. I'm just trying to figure out (kind of thinking out loud) why I'm behaving rather erratically, even for me. I believe that I owe an apology to many of you and perhaps to all of you, for being so bitchy and sanctimonious. I hope you all will accept that from me. No response is necessary or even desired. I'm going back to my corner for now, will probably un*s*ub just to keep my Inbox clear, or shall at least stay out of conversations here for awhile. Best to all, Lori ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #86 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------