From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #85 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 8 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 085 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Human Jukebox [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Hem? -- njc [Joseph Palis ] Wal-Mart culture, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] buying music online - is it WalMart culture? NJC [Em ] Walmart, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Walmart, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: River [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: NJC Claudia's new CD [Claud9 ] RE:NJC Claudia's new CD ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: njc Gordon Parks dies ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: FW: Message re; River [djp ] Subject: Re: Great Radio Morning ["Ruth Davis" ] njc, wal-mart culture [Jennifer Faulkner ] njc, Wal-Mart culture & TV ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Wal-Mart culture, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Wal-mart VS. Mom and Pop njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Sweet Sixteen Joni Sampler ["J.DAVID SAPP" ] Old digests - njc ["Les Irvin" ] Re: Wal-mart VS. Mom and Pop njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: njc, Wal-Mart culture & TV [Catherine McKay ] Re: Wal-mart VS. Mom and Pop njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: David Gilmour CD: Just Released njc [Randy Remote ] Re: Wal-Mart culture, njc [Smurf ] Re: njc, Wal-Mart culture & TV ["Patti Parlette" ] RE: njc, Wal-Mart culture & TV ["Les Irvin" ] Re: NJC Claudia's new CD ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Wal-mart VS. Mom and Pop njc [Gary Z ] Re: Wal-mart VS. Mom and Pop njc [Catherine McKay ] re: WalMart Culture NJC [mags h ] RE: njc, Wal-Mart culture & TV ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Re: Sweet Sixteen and Joni Sampler [Snapple1984@aol.com] RE: njc, Wal-Mart culture & TV [Bob Muller ] Wal-mart can rot in hell njc [vince ] Re: Wal-mart can rot in hell njc [Bob Muller ] Re: Subject: Re: Great Radio Morning [Bob Muller ] Re: David Gilmour CD: Just Released njc [Bob Muller ] Here's the cover of the new Ian Shaw Joni Tribute CD [Bob Muller Subject: Re: Human Jukebox Hi Nuriel. Joni said she never wanted to become a human jukebox on the DVD, Woman of Heart and Mind. She says that right after David Geffen is talking about how he wanted her to make a hit record if my memory serves me. She is referring to her dislike of radio hits and chart hits. As we fans well know, Joni detests the commercialism of the music industry. She was never really interested in getting her songs played on the radio or MTV but I think underneath, she also saw the logic that David Geffen was trying to put forward; in order to make money to continue her career in music, she needed to sell records. That's why she relented and wrote, You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio. Mark in Sydney NP In The Deep - Bird York ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:09:25 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Hem? -- njc Count me in as a fan of Hem. I like their debut album "Rabbit Songs" slightly better than their second outing called "Eveningland". Especially when vocalist Sally Ellyson sings "Sailor" followed by a piano solo piece called "Polly's Dress". The first time I heard it in some record bar, I knew I had to get it for myself. I like Hem in the same vein as Over The Rhine and Innocence Mission. The lead vocalists in all three bands have ethereal voices and they sing of songs about the bound, the particular, the local -- in a universal way. I dont have their latest album yet ("No Word from Tom" I think its called -- which sounds like an aria from Stravinsky's "The Rake Progress"). The album is partly made up of covers and other live tracks within the span of their two releases. Innocence Mission is also a good band. The lead singer Karen Peris sounds like a cross between Leslie Feist and Karrin Bergquist. Joseph in Chicago (until Sunday) ron a icrit : hi >>>>smurf wrote >>>>>A friend of mine gave me a CD by a group called Hem today. I immediately thought of all the JMDL people who might like this music, now thats what i call a friend - hem are a great band - i first heard them on radio paradise & was hooked instantly. they have quite a few live shows available on archive.org: http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php?collection=etree&cat=Hem another highly recomended artist on archive.org is vienna teng: http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php?collection=etree&cat=Vienna%20Teng ron np - brian finch - long riders of nam - --------------------------------- Nouveau : tiliphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Dicouvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Tilichargez la version beta. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 07:06:26 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Wal-Mart culture, njc I love this post. . I am grappling with some of these consumption issues myself. . . and I want our communities back. From: Bob Muller Good points, Randy & Catherine - I'm proud to say that I watch NO TV (except for special events like the Oscars or watching Dook getting it's behind kicked) and I NEVER go to the mall. What is more troubling about the phrase "Wal-Mart Culture" is that in my mind the connotation is that as a culture we have totally stopped caring how our consumption affects the rest of the world, or even our own communities. If it means we save a quarter on a can of shaving cream, or a dollar on a Barbie doll, or whatever, we don't care that we've forced most of the 'Mom & Pop' stores around our country to close (because they can't compete). We don't care that Wal-Mart (and every other major retailer but Wal-Mart is the biggest and worst) buys practically all their goods from third world sweat shop labor, where workers are exploited and have no life. We don't care that Wal-Mart plays all kinds of tricks to screw their own employees out of a living wage and health care. We don't care, because by God we can save a couple of bucks when we go buy our "stuff". For what it's worth, I don't shop at Wal-Mart. Nor do I buy music at Best Buy or Circuit City, I support my local indie store, Earshot. Nor do I support Home Depot and Lowe's, unless I can't get it at Duncan's around the corner. It's not going to change the world, but it helps me to live with myself. Then again, I'm lucky in that I have the resources to make those choices. Many Americans have to decide if they're going to buy food or diapers and don't have the choice. The over-riding problem, with our culture and with our government is that the thinking is all short-term. What will maximize shareholders returns today? This quarter? This year? Forget the environmental impacts, the economic impacts, the societal impacts. That to me is what Wal-Mart culture is all about, and I loathe it. Bob NP: The Replacements, "Valentine" _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 05:20:32 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: buying music online - is it WalMart culture? NJC so, following on this thread a little closer - is buying music online an extension somehow of the WalMart culture thing? I see two sides to the Walmart thing. One is that its very very easy to shop there. You're in, you're out. boom. but the other side is the ugly political side to it. The stuff you hear about the less than employee friendly tactics. So, the ease of shopping thing, that kind of isolates us from our communities, as some folks have mentioned. Its best to support local businesses, rather than the Home Depots, Walgreens, and Walmarts. I like doing this when I can, and I am delighted that I have an old style hardware store nearby. Can get everything there but lumber. Neat record store in town, but it requires "travel" and the traffic being so miserable, more often than not, I don't go. Am a bit agoraphobic anyway. And so easy to order online! So I do. Seems like the first I recall hearing of this was in Tom Wolfe's writing, back in the late 60's. I forget what book it was. But he saw it coming. A symptom he saw was people not wanting to "dress" up anymore, to go tot the theatre or whatever. Part of the same thing, I think. And you can really see the diff. Any pics of my grandparents from the 20's, the men were all in jacket and tie and the women all dressed up too. Now, people have their portraits done......at WalMart. in Tank tops! LOL!! And I'm totally guilty. (altho I have not had my portrait done at Walmart in a tank top) As an agoraphobic person, I'm happy not to have to go out too much. The internet has made it so I really don't have to leave my house much to have a social life. Not sure its all bad. Where should we buy jeans these days? Levis are no longer built here in the states. So....... there's just soooooooo much info, I guess our job is to constantly search for the lesser evil, in every facet of our lives. Amazon.com makes is SOOOOOOO easy to buy stuff, but is it another WalMart? I seem to recall them being on the list of huge crops that gave money to the Bush campaign. Hope I'm wrong. If I go buy clothes from the poor people (at the flea market? so as to suport poor people) I end up with stuff that is probably even MORE 3rd world sweat-shop intensive than at WalMart or Target or KMart. And I HAVE to have cheap clothes! No way around that fact. Its hard, we're in it very deep already. It hurts my head. I do try and avoid Walmart tho. Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:18:30 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Walmart, njc Hi Ya'll, I have mixed feelings about Walmart. Arkansas is where Walmart started. Sam Walton, the founder, was just a simple country man in northwest Arkansas who had vision to improve the quality of life for people living in a similar situation to his own. He drove a beat up pick up truck even after he became rich. He was a simple man with good intentions. What Walmart has become is partly in keeping with his vision and partly not. It is making it possible for poorer people to have things they wouldn't otherwise have. But, at the same time, it has grown so big and is leaving room for little else in the way of similar business. Times change. Walmart is part of that change. I don't mind shopping at Walmart, but I shop other places too. An even bigger change now is the Internet. One can buy anything from anywhere with it. There is good in all of it as well as bad. We live and learn and here we are today with what is as it is. There is vanity in everything. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:46:05 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Walmart, njc - --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Hi Ya'll, > > I have mixed feelings about Walmart. Arkansas > is where Walmart started. > Sam Walton, the founder, was just a simple country > man in northwest > Arkansas who had vision to improve the quality of > life for people living in a > similar situation to his own. He drove a beat up > pick up truck even after he > became rich. He was a simple man with good > intentions. > > What Walmart has become is partly in keeping > with his vision and partly > not. It is making it possible for poorer people to > have things they wouldn't > otherwise have. But, at the same time, it has > grown so big and is leaving > room for little else in the way of similar > business. > Laura, I get your point. Have you ever read "Fast Food Nation"? It's fascinating and in one sense, you almost have to admire the people that started these business (Macdonalds and so on - which is to fast food as Walmart is to department store shopping, I guess), but it's also very disturbing. In order to sell things cheaply, they need to cut back on costs and the biggest cost of business is salaries. So they hire people who will work cheap (students, illegal immigrants, uneducated people with no other prospects, and lately they've been moving parts of the business to third world countries, which may be good in that it provides jobs for people in those countries, but it takes away jobs from people at home, and means the occupational health and safety standards are nowhere near as tight as they are here), and they automate as much as they can in order to use even fewer people. And they create "need" where there is no real need and it seems that shopping has become its own form of recreation. The shopping mall parking lots are full every weekend. What are these people all buying and where do they get the money to buy? Credit - so we are all in debt to the company store, I guess. And then there's the way they expect their employees to behave. It's one thing to be greeted by people who seem enthusiastic about their jobs, but these people will get fired if they don't have smiles on their faces and if they don't greet people. I'm not sure how excited it's possible to be about going to work for minimum wage and always living in fear of being fired for not being *up* all the time. I could rant on, but I'm boring the sh*t out of myself and I've got more sanding and painting to do and if I don't get on it now, I'll fall behind - and I'm not even being paid to do this! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:18:49 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: River Hi, I am planning to base my musical investigation on the song River and I am trying to find some kind of analysis of the song but I am out of luck, could you help me? Do you know of any good analysis of that song or her music in general? Emma, Hang in here - you'll get some help (gotta run soon). There are at least a few serious academic theses analyzing Joni's music - I don't know about the song River. Except for the inversions of Jingle Bells - which I love, since they are different at the end of the song than at the beginning - it is one of Joni's simpler songs, musically. That is not to detract from its merits. Lyrically, it is one of her classic "confessional" pieces, capturing some of our less noble emotions - selfishness, self pity, others ? - - along with the tension between the medicine of self effacement that signals progress toward maturity and the longing for an escape from such self-effacement, symbolized by the River itself. Vocally, Joni ventures into places that few if any had theretofore had the courage to explore. We have all been there before, no ? In exposing our human imperfections, the song also releases the beauties - and complexities - of the human spirit. Among those who have studied Joni extensively is one Lloyd Whitesell (a music professor - at McGill ?) - you may want to check him out on the Web. He may have an article or two posted here in the JoniMitchell.com (nee JMDL's) Library. The book "The Joni Mitchell Companion" has a couple of technical articles (one by Whitesell) on some of Joni's songs - his focuses on Amelia, Song To a Seagull, Sweet Bird and The Beat of Black Wings". I've heard that the "bridge" in Car On A Hill was part of a final exam at a major music school - was it Julliard ? Personally, from Blue, I would rather analyze the title song. But, with River arguably one third of the greatest trio of closing songs ever on an album, you could do worse. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 09:35:01 -0500 From: Claud9 Subject: Re: NJC Claudia's new CD Wow, Bob - Thanks so much for the plug!!!! We are very excited about the CD and that we managed to capture some of the songs that have inspired us to play together. Of course, my dear Joni friends, we'd love to hear what you all think. If it's thumbs up don't hold back leaving feedback at CD Baby - we'd be very grateful! Hope to see some of you again soon! I miss so many of you and I am still bummed that I had to miss NY. It looked like such a blast! Thanks for all of your support! Love, Claud on 3/7/06 7:07 PM, Bob Muller at scjoniguy@yahoo.com wrote: > Those of you who have heard Claudia SanSoucie > (that's a BUNCH of us), and those who heard > Randall & Claudia at Jonifest 2005 will want to > pick up on their new release, out today: > > http://cdbaby.com/cd/randallclaudia > > Listen to some samples, add it to your cart, > check out. Simple. > > Go Claud!!! > > Bob > > NP: Dinah Washington, "More Than You Know" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:49:13 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE:NJC Claudia's new CD Hooray!!! I was just getting ready to post about Claudia and Randall's new CD!!! Thank you so much Bob!!! I am listening to the clips now and they are sooooo good!!! Let's all support Claudia and buy her CD!!!! This is my "Angel Voice"!!! Hooray!!! Sherelle Bob wrote: Those of you who have heard Claudia SanSoucie (that's a BUNCH of us), and those who heard Randall & Claudia at Jonifest 2005 will want to pick up on their new release, out today: http://cdbaby.com/cd/randallclaudia Listen to some samples, add it to your cart, check out. Simple. Go Claud!!! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:51:54 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: njc Gordon Parks dies Oh no!!! I'm so sorry to hear this! I am though comforted by the fact that he lived to the age of 93 and created a milestone for himself. He will be missed. Sherelle Vince wrote: NEW YORK -- Gordon Parks, who captured the struggles and triumphs of black America as a photographer for Life magazine and then became Hollywood's first major black director with The Learning Tree and the hit Shaft, died today, a family member said. He was 93. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 09:22:38 -0600 From: djp Subject: Re: FW: Message re; River >-----Original Message----- >Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:19 AM >To: jonimitchell.com > >Hi, I am planning to base my musical investigation on the song River and I >am trying to find some kind of analysis of the song but I am out of luck, >could you help me? Do you know of any good analysis of that song or her >music in general? > >Name: Emma Eriksson >email: emma.eriksson@edu.boden.se See "Elvis Costello, Joni Mitchell, and the Torch Song Tradition" by Larry David Smith. Praeger 2004. It has both an extensive analysis of her oeuvre (i *love* that word) and an intensive analysis of "River". djp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:15:05 GMT From: "Ruth Davis" Subject: Subject: Re: Great Radio Morning Hello, all. I am delurking to report that I had a great radio evening last night. On a jazz program, I heard a tune that sounded strangely familiar. I am almost certain that it was a jazz take on "You Dream Flat Tires". They played a riff throughout the piece that sounded like the part of the song when Joni sings "I know that you love me, but when are you going to let love be" and her voice goes low, and then, as jazz versions do, they "went off" on it, improvising deconstructions and reconstructions of the melody. Flat Tires and Moon at the Window are my favorite songs from WTRF. Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 07:36:47 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Faulkner Subject: njc, wal-mart culture hey all, it's great to be able to avoid getting stuff from wal-mart and other big stores, but bob's right in saying that some people just can't afford it. i have to find the cheapest groceries i can so that the rest of my income can pay bills, etc. this is a little off topic but in a similar area, i would love to be able to buy cruelty free products because every time i grab my bottle of shampoo, my soap, my laundry and dishwashing detergent, i know that animals are getting hurt very badly for no reason or for money. places like wal-mart and kroger sell no cruelty free products. i've looked. wild oats is the only place that i can find, but they are too expensive for me. kind of like the mom and pop stores i'd love to shop at as well. i hope that someday i will be better off financially and be able to avoid the big chains. about tv, i used to proudly say i never watch tv, meaning that i don't watch television shows or networks, or whatever. i use my tv to watch movies or cartoons. while i don't think that those are quite as bad as tv with the commercials i can't stand, i see that i was becoming like every other tv watcher where i use tv in occupy my time instead of reading a book or doing some other healthy activity. all the other stuff you guys said i agree with. i'm just throwing in my personal two cents. jennifer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 16:09:15 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Wal-Mart culture & TV Catherine with paint in her hair wrote: "Yeah, we are victims of propoganda - whether it's the so-called news or the ads we see and hear on TV ......." And how about the ads we see on product packaging *about* being on TV...a vicious circle game that drives me crazy. (I know, I know -- short trip!) You're in a drug store or the grocery store and you see a box of junk (a Chia pet or a battery-operated backscratcher or a magic mop, and you know....) and it has one of those fluorescent orange or putridly ugly bright blue circles on it that screams at you, like nails on a blackboard: "AS SEEN ON TV!". That always makes me Scampy McNutts: "Oh yeah, RIGHT! This has been on *TV* so it must be good! Yeah, I'm soooo stoopid that I'm gonna buy this because it's been on my *TV*!" Joni got it way back when: Nobody stopped to hear him Though he played so sweet and high They knew he had never Been on their T.V. So they passed his music by And SCJoniguy said something about "stuff". Right on, brother. Recently my mom told my teen-aged niece that she doesn't go to Wal-Mart, and my niece asked with wide-eyed and genuine incredulity: "But GRANDMA! Where do you get all your* Wal-Mart stuff*?" Some of these kids are growing up thinking that Wal-Mart is all there is. Darkness, darkness, darkness -- no color, no contrast. Love, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:32:02 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Wal-Mart culture, njc Randy, I think you may just have a song in there! I think what is so interesting about our country is that we have several pretty diverse cultures going on (I know I speak the obvious) ... & think it does indeed depend a lot on what media you pay attention too... Our town, being more left leaning than others, would not allow walmart anywhere near it & despite protests against big box stores, does have Costco Kate, who would be considered a member of the trader joe's culture :~} >Not sure what this means...but we are a TV culture, spending 10 hours a day in front of the tube. Only an hour or so a week at WalWart. TV shapes, propagandizes, "manufactures consent" to quote Noam Chomsky. TV grabs our interest and squanders it on sub-creatin "comedy", exploitive humiliation of our fellow citizens, fills us up with hustling that would shame a pimp on the street. TV sells us wars and politicians whose only friends are the millionaire ruling class. TV tells us to go to WalWart to SAVE on the things we NEED !! Stay tuned RR< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 11:39:39 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Wal-mart VS. Mom and Pop njc Gosh...I do remember the mom and pop grocery store...and long for those days. I remember a store I use to go to with my mother...I think it probably had four aisles in total." Where everyone knew your name." In the back of the store was the meat counter...where the meat guy would give you a sample of the ham. The best ham I ever tasted! The huge glass pickle barrel...imagine a huge pickle for a nickel? (now see that rhymes unlike pimp and rent ;-) ) Pop tarts were fifty cents or so..oh and they were so good then. Kellogg's have cheapened on their product. (the pastry part was so delectable!) It seems it wasn't long after Kroger's came to town this store went out of business. Not sure of the time span. I do shop at Wal-Mart..Sam's....in and out... as Em said. WE do buy only cage-free eggs..and organic whenever possible. So like everything there are trade-offs...cheaper prices versus intimacy..progress ..stagnation. Bree ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:41:37 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Wal-Mart culture, njc Em>To the contrary, I see them stockpiling ammo and everyone has guns. So it remains safe to sit home and watch TV and eat lard right out of the can< EM! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the laugh this morning! I actually see our culture more divided that the one I grew up in where we all watched the same news (with what, 3 or 4 channels to choose from) because now you got yer fox news & rush limburger vs air america & other alt media etc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:04:23 -0600 From: "J.DAVID SAPP" Subject: Re: Sweet Sixteen Joni Sampler A Case of You by Prince is da 1. peace, david No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/276 - Release Date: 3/7/06 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:32:21 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Old digests - njc Joniphiles - Are there any old-timers on the list who have copies of digests from 1997 and 1998? In compiling the archive, I've realized that I'm missing a few from my collection. Please email me off-list if so. Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:15:54 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Wal-mart VS. Mom and Pop njc - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: ted! > The huge glass pickle > barrel...imagine a huge pickle for a nickel? (now > see that rhymes unlike > pimp and rent ;-) ) My Dad used to sing this song that went: My Pa gave me a nickel To buy a pickle I didn't buy a pickle I bought some chewing gum. I remember going to the local mom-and-pop with a nickel or a dime and coming home with a whole lot of candy. Mmmm, candy. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:19:30 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc, Wal-Mart culture & TV - --- Patti Parlette wrote: > And how about the ads we see on product packaging > *about* being on TV...a > vicious circle game that drives me crazy. (I know, > I know -- short trip!) > You're in a drug store or the grocery store and you > see a box of junk (a > Chia pet or a battery-operated backscratcher or a > magic mop, and you > know....) and it has one of those fluorescent orange > or putridly ugly bright > blue circles on it that screams at you, like nails > on a blackboard: "AS > SEEN ON TV!". That always makes me Scampy McNutts: > "Oh yeah, RIGHT! This > has been on *TV* so it must be good! Yeah, I'm > soooo stoopid that I'm gonna > buy this because it's been on my *TV*!" > Those things crack me up. I usually take it to be a sign of a product so inferior is that it's only claim to fame is that it HAS been on TV. So what? It just means someone paid to have it advertised there. Remember K-Tel records? or was that a Canadian thing? Ginsu knives? Those sets of 50 or so Tupper-Ware-like containers for all your junk? (Act NOW and get this free set of Ginsu-like knives!) And if that's not enough to make me Deputy Nutkins with plaster dust all over my face, there's THE SHOPPING CHANNEL! where you can watch TV AND shop at the same time! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 12:27:25 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Wal-mart VS. Mom and Pop njc Reading the posts with interest concerning Wal-Mart. Many valid points made. I, for one, like Wal-Mart and though the small operations had their good points, they had some bad ones as well. I like being able to get what I want when I want it. I like 24 hours a day stores. I didn't like having to wait for what I wanted until another day or the weekend was over. Sam Walton put a product out there that works. More power to him. Progress? Another debate. Times change, we change. Might as well put the seat belt on and enjoy the ride. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 10:54:30 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Wal-Mart culture, njc From: "Bob Muller" > Good points, Randy & Catherine - I'm proud to say > that I watch NO TV (except for special events > like the Oscars or watching Dook getting it's > behind kicked) I can't say, for all my kicking and screaming that I've gotten that monkey off my back...but try to reserve it for musical events and comedy, because I love both....oh, and movies...and House..but that's all! > We don't care that Wal-Mart (and every other > major retailer but Wal-Mart is the biggest and > worst) buys practically all their goods from > third world sweat shop labor, where workers are > exploited and have no life. We don't care that > Wal-Mart plays all kinds of tricks to screw their > own employees out of a living wage and health > care. We don't care, because by God we can save a > couple of bucks when we go buy our "stuff". Good solid points, all. I think there has to be government involvement in these issues (to regulate, not encourage them). If you look at all into the conditions in China, Indonesia, etc it is slave labor. On the other hand, like free music on the internet, low prices are too irresistable. It makes my blood boil to see those QVC hawkers talking patriotism and selling those made-in-China American flags. Not that I watch QVC. My friend does. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 10:59:02 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: David Gilmour CD: Just Released njc I can't wait to hear it... there is a cool little 15 min video on the "making of" on Amazon Haven't seen any alternate versions but VH-1 has the video, with Crosby and Nash. I like the song. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" > PS, Is it okay for USA residents to "correct" the Brit spelling of Dave's > last name to "Gilmore"? :) You mean like "Happy" David Gilmore? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:18:26 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Wal-mart VS. Mom and Pop njc Catherine McKay wrote: My Dad used to sing this song that went: My Pa gave me a nickel To buy a pickle I didn't buy a pickle I bought some chewing gum. Nice story, Catherine. My mother used to sing a little ditty I always cherished. It went like this: Sixteen tons, what do you get Another day older and deeper in debt St. Peter don't you call me 'Cause I can't go I owe my soul to the company store XO, --Smurf . - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:22:31 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Wal-Mart culture, njc "Life would be easy if I had that new appliance." --Joni The Reoccuring Dream by Joni Mitchell This is the reoccurring dream Born in the dreary gap between What we have now And what we wish we could have More fulfilling and less frustrating! Out of the envy in our eyes Look! Glamorous picture people rise Radiant! Gleaming down from screens and pages Ooh glamour before your very eyes! Isn't it true isn't it true? Good question I know who cares Look here they tell you If you had this If you had that Latest styles and colors If we had that for us mmm Wouldn't it be fabulous If you had that house car bottle jar Your lovers would look like movie stars Movie stars movie stars movie stars Order your youth secrets of the stars Call now just $9.99 Our discontent is their delight They offer relief for the purchase price Love in a bottle Love on four wheels Is that our new car Charles? Isn't it true isn't it true? We guarantee it pick up your phone and dial See here they sell you If you had this If you had that I want a new truck! More power! If you use this shampoo True love will come to you If you had that house car bottle jar Your lovers would look like movie stars Movie stars movie stars movie stars Hollywood's greatest legends Recognize this? Dreamer Soft sexy hair Dream on He's going to love me in this ruby, ruby lipstick Others will notice! Sexy! Who cares! Recognize this? Dreamer Latest styles and colors Oh dream on dream on dream on The fashion looks you've been hoping for Sexy sexy Recognize this? Dreamer So special Dream on We will have happiness in heaven The place you dreamed of retiring to Who cares Recognize this? Dreamer I know that glamour is sexy Oh dream on dreamer What could go wrong? Dream on Who cares! Recognize this? Dreamer I'm afraid I can't go below two million Dream on Life would be easy if I had that new appliance Food processors for all of us Who cares! Recognize this? Dreamer There are lots of strings Dream on We can solve everything in science Naturally Science It's a picture of how to get what you want out of life Recognize this? I love it Dreamer Isn't there some other way? Who cares! - --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 19:27:12 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: njc, Wal-Mart culture & TV >Ginsu knives? Those sets of 50 or so Tupper-Ware-like >containers for all your junk? (Act NOW and get this >free set of Ginsu-like knives!) > LOL, Catherine! Yeah, ACT NOW and we'll throw in 122 additional pieces of this crap, and what's more, you'll be charged not $59.99, not $49.99, not even $39.99. You'll pay only $29.99 for 172 pieces of all this junk that's not even offered in STORES! That's only $29.99! What an AMAZING offer! Call NOW! (Ha ha...I just had a thought....maybe that's the stuff we see in the stores with the "AS SEEN ON YOUR TV" advertisements on them, the stuff that never sold from those stupid commercials in the first place.) And how about when they sell all those complete record (now CD) collections on TV for *one low price*? Dance The Night Away With All Your Favorite Disco Classics, Every Crappy Country Song Written in the 80s, Romancing a Stone with the Complete Classical Collection, Walking on the Beach Ready To Make Love in the Moonlight Complete Collection, etc. Those make me McNutts, too. Laughing it all away, Patti P., waiting for the Complete Joni Mitchell Collection for Women of Hearts and Minds and Ladies of the Canyon for only $19.99 and *free shipping* with no regrets, Coyotes, if you order right now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 12:50:30 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: njc, Wal-Mart culture & TV >ACT NOW and we'll throw in 122 additional >pieces of this crap, and what's more, >you'll be charged not $59.99, not $49.99, >not even $39.99. You'll pay only $29.99 Reminds me of the Tom Waits classic "Step Right Up"... That's right, it filets, it chops, it dices, slices, Never stops, lasts a lifetime, mows your lawn and it picks up the kids from school It gets rid of unwanted facial hair, it gets rid of embarrassing age spots, It delivers a pizza, and it lengthens, and it strengthens And it finds that slipper that's been at large under the chaise lounge for several weeks And it plays a mean Rhythm Master, It makes excuses for unwanted lipstick on your collar And it's only a dollar, step right up, it's only a dollar, step right up.... [Ad nauseum.....] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:20:33 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: NJC Claudia's new CD Hi Claud!! I'm listening to it as we speak, it's great! It's good to hear you sing again and the 2 of you blend beautifully. Thanks Bob for sharing the link. db >>> Claud9 3/8/2006 8:35:01 AM >>> Wow, Bob - Thanks so much for the plug!!!! We are very excited about the CD and that we managed to capture some of the songs that have inspired us to play together. Of course, my dear Joni friends, we'd love to hear what you all think. If it's thumbs up don't hold back leaving feedback at CD Baby - we'd be very grateful! Hope to see some of you again soon! I miss so many of you and I am still bummed that I had to miss NY. It looked like such a blast! Thanks for all of your support! Love, Claud on 3/7/06 7:07 PM, Bob Muller at scjoniguy@yahoo.com wrote: > Those of you who have heard Claudia SanSoucie > (that's a BUNCH of us), and those who heard > Randall & Claudia at Jonifest 2005 will want to > pick up on their new release, out today: > > http://cdbaby.com/cd/randallclaudia > > Listen to some samples, add it to your cart, > check out. Simple. > > Go Claud!!! > > Bob > > NP: Dinah Washington, "More Than You Know" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 15:10:28 -0500 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Wal-mart VS. Mom and Pop njc Hi Catherine, The song your Dad sang was called "Choo'n Gum" and was recorded by Teresa Brewer circa March, 1950. Best regards, Gary Catherine McKay wrote: >--- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > >ted! > > >>The huge glass pickle >>barrel...imagine a huge pickle for a nickel? (now >>see that rhymes unlike >>pimp and rent ;-) ) >> >> > >My Dad used to sing this song that went: >My Pa gave me a nickel >To buy a pickle >I didn't buy a pickle >I bought some chewing gum. > >I remember going to the local mom-and-pop with a >nickel or a dime and coming home with a whole lot of >candy. Mmmm, candy. > > >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:47:08 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Wal-mart VS. Mom and Pop njc - --- Gary Z wrote: > Hi Catherine, > > The song your Dad sang was called "Choo'n Gum" and > was recorded by > Teresa Brewer circa March, 1950. > What a wealth of information on the jmdl! I think my Dad had a "thing" for Teresa Brewer. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 12:44:46 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: re: WalMart Culture NJC well, well, well..I guess it was only a matter of time before your subject matter returned to guns (allusions/illusions speak louder than words). Mags Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 13:56:31 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Wal-Mart culture, njc And so much the better if the law-abiding populace has been disarmed, eh? let us go then you and i ~t.s.eliot~ - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 15:28:00 -0500 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: RE: njc, Wal-Mart culture & TV "Never needs winding, never needs winding." Quoting Les Irvin : >> ACT NOW and we'll throw in 122 additional >> pieces of this crap, and what's more, >> you'll be charged not $59.99, not $49.99, >> not even $39.99. You'll pay only $29.99 > > Reminds me of the Tom Waits classic "Step Right Up"... > > That's right, it filets, it chops, it dices, slices, > Never stops, lasts a lifetime, mows your lawn > and it picks up the kids from school > It gets rid of unwanted facial hair, > it gets rid of embarrassing age spots, > It delivers a pizza, and it lengthens, and it strengthens > And it finds that slipper that's been at large > under the chaise lounge for several weeks > And it plays a mean Rhythm Master, > It makes excuses for unwanted lipstick on your collar > And it's only a dollar, step right up, it's only a dollar, step right up.... > [Ad nauseum.....] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:39:18 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: njc, Wal-Mart culture & TV I want me one of them. Can I buy it from the TV? - --- "rflynn@frontiernet.net" wrote: > "Never needs winding, never needs winding." > > Quoting Les Irvin : > > >> ACT NOW and we'll throw in 122 additional > >> pieces of this crap, and what's more, > >> you'll be charged not $59.99, not $49.99, > >> not even $39.99. You'll pay only $29.99 > > > > Reminds me of the Tom Waits classic "Step Right > Up"... > > > > That's right, it filets, it chops, it dices, > slices, > > Never stops, lasts a lifetime, mows your lawn > > and it picks up the kids from school Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:54:03 EST From: Snapple1984@aol.com Subject: Re: Sweet Sixteen and Joni Sampler I had no idea Kind of Like Spitting covered the Last Time I Saw Richard! That's really cool. One of my good friends absolutely loves King of Like Spitting, and I should know his stuff better since he's from Portland - I think. - - Kira NP: Joy Round My Brain, Richard and Mimi Farina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:38:22 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: njc, Wal-Mart culture & TV Best sales pitch ever! Never needs winding, never needs winding.... Bob NP: Laura Love, "Aha Me A Riddle I Day" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:48:29 -0500 From: vince Subject: Wal-mart can rot in hell njc Wal Mart - I would not be caught dead in one. No matter how broke I am, I would rather do without than support a multi-national that exploits its workers so badly and so baldly. It follows all the standard practices - makes sure no employee gets 40 hours, keep them all at 37 and under to avoid labor laws for full time help - pay as little as possible because someone can save 2" on a can od corn so someone else can work for something well below a living wage - their entire Michigan strategy is building a Wal mart next to every Meijers - they have forced Meijers to cut its wage to cut its prices - and since Wal Mart has infinitely more buying power, the goal is to crush Meijers, force them out of business, and leave us with empty big box stores all across the state, leaving a whole new group of people unemployed - while using a new twist on the old Sears greed - start ordering from a supplier, up the order every year until Wal Mart is 50-70% of the client's business - then tell the supplier they will pull the order and go elsewhere unless the supplier cuts the price by closing its US site and moving its manufacturing overseas - whatever Sam Walton thought of, that is long gone and what Wal Mart is, it is destroying the US economy as surely as it has killed downtowns throughout America and so many local businesses closed as it is now going after Meijers and everything else it deems a competitor - shop at a place with a proven record of discrimination against women, against minorities, having a business plan of hiring illegals so they can underpay and exploit. Check out their track record of stiffing local contractors and then throwing their legal department against small town lawyers. Is saving the average $3 a week on groceries worth it? Is saving a buck on a can of paint worth it? Save a few bucks and sell your soul and hope they play They Paved Paradise and Put up a Parking Lot while you are shopping to have a Joni moment. Complain about Clear Channel and shop at a place that dictates what is in books, magazines, and on cds to match its standards, Save $2 on your jeans to wear while you feel oh so badly about the exploited workers in sweat shops overseas. Don't believe me. http://www.thewritingonthewal.net/?p=807 Do some research. Where you spend your money makes a difference. Is the price of one's conscience really something you save money for at the Wal Mart? Vince "Buyers are moving aggressively to play one factory against another. 'As things get more competitive, the pressure that comes along with that, yeah, we try to take advantage of it,' says Gary Meyers, a vice president in global procurement at Wal-Mart." http://kellysite.net/azrep2.htm "A global consumer goods manufacturer was evaluating ways to respond to Wal-Marts now-famous RFID announcement. By 2006, Wal-Marts top 100 suppliers are required to use radio frequency identification (RFID) tags on their cases and pallets." http://www.atkearney.com/main.taf?p=5,3,1,124 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:59:58 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Wal-mart can rot in hell njc Very true, Vince - like Laura said, Sam Walton's initial business thrust was to offer a big retail location in small towns that weren't big enough to have malls, before the days of buying online, and also to buy as much American-made product that they could. Remember their sales flyers? All the "Made In America" stamps all over them? That has morphed into a destructive American nightmare - the taxes they pay are ridiculously low, and their charitable contributions are miniscule. They're all take and no give. Three (maybe 4) of his kids are among the top 10 richest Americans. BUT, it's hard to blame them...like so many others they just gambled on good old American greed - and it paid off big time. Bob NP: Lisa Germano, "Bruises" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:05:38 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Great Radio Morning Not too many covers of that one yet, Ruth - a couple though...one is coming up on Volume 75 next month and it's ssssssmokin' good. Am not aware of any instrumental versions but I'm always on the prowl. Matter of fact, I found our first "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" cover today. Very exciting for me, which pretty much sums up what my life is like these days. Thanks for coming out of the shadows, always great to hear from you. Bob NP: Neil Young, "Without Rings" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:08:48 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: David Gilmour CD: Just Released njc I picked it up yesterday - based on the title track I had heard on NPR "All Songs Considered". Sadly, nothing else on the cd grabbed me like that track, but I'm still spinning it. His guitar work is excellent though and can even hold my interest in the duller cuts. Bob NP: Shawn Colvin, "Nothin' On Me" (hey, I've met her!) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:21:15 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Here's the cover of the new Ian Shaw Joni Tribute CD http://s55.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=05XPROZPILQ1A3EY8B7RD4H13J It goes on sale April 3 in the UK. It will be marketed in the US as well, don't know the details on that yet though. (Will probably NOT be sold in Wal-Mart). Bob NP: Erykah Badu, "Sometimes..." Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:58:41 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: step up to the plate time for our very own Claudia and Randall NJC oh man...check this out... http://cdbaby.com/cd/randallclaudia let us go then you and i ~t.s.eliot~ Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 19:52:45 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: David Gilmour CD: Just Released njc Yeah, when that npr review came on, I was already in the car so I drove directly to Best Buy and bought the disc. Now that I've heard the songs once, the praise on npr was completely over the top. As I heard the first 2 minutes, I was struck by the similarity to the intro on Corry Hanna's "Old Road Gone". (Hi RR.) Corry's walking sounds unite his collage and foreshadow the eclecticism you'll hear later. Dave's collage just sounds like a paste-up of found sounds; there's no point. (He made exactly the same mistake with the electronic alarm clocks on "Momentary Lapse".) I guess I'm saying Corry's disc is better than Dave's. Yeah, that sounds right. Anyway, ol' Dave is worth a few more spins before I judge too harshly. Gilmour's music is moody and dark but the stories are general upbeat. I think Gilmour's depressive colours need the fear-and-loathing stories of Roger Waters. One complements the other. I didn't realize how much Gilmour was in the sad instrumentals until I heard solo Gilmour with happy lyrics. You don't know what Pink had til he's gone? Unfortunately, there's no "Love On the Air" on this disc. If you want to hear Gilmour having fun, get McCartney's "Run Devil Run". Muller's gonna say, 'Nothing sticks' and I'm leaning in that direction. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu np: Corry Hanna's "Old Road Gone" at full volume, available at CD Baby ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #85 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------