From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #82 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, March 6 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 082 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni to the newborn ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] RE: Oscars NJC (now self-indulgently long, with SPOILERS for Crash) ["Aze] RE: Oscars NJC (now self-indulgently long, with SPOILERS for Crash) [Deb ] Re: Oscars NJC [Bob Muller ] Oscars, NJC ["Marianne Rizzo" ] RE: Oscars, NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Oscars, NJC [Em ] Re: Oscars, NJC [Em ] Re: Oscars NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Oscars, NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Oscars, NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Oscars NJC [vince ] Re: Oscars, NJC (long and rambling) [Joseph Palis ] Re: Oscars NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Oscars NJC ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: Oscars, NJC ["Lori Fye" ] njc, Anti-war concert in NYC on 3/20 ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Oscars, NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: Oscars, NJC ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Oscars NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Oscars NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Sweet Sixteen Joni Sampler [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] Re: Sweet Sixteen Joni Sampler [Jerry Notaro ] canadian song writer's hall of fame NJC [mags h ] Sweet Sixteen Volume 1 [Melissa Gibbs ] copy/paste project [mags h ] Re: Oscars NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Oscars NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Oscars, NJC (long and rambling) [Bob Muller ] Re: Oscars NJC [Bob Muller ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:36:11 +0100 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: Joni to the newborn I just wanted to add to Bree's story about children gettting into Joni - that I went to a christening yesterday: My new friend Jonas - 4 months old. And since I didn't have a precent - I had to use my creativity - so I gave him what was there right in my hands - unopened - unabriged: "Miles of Ailes." I thought - well - this is something I really love - and I isn't that the thing to give something you appreciate yourself? Thought I should just share this short story Best Oddmund, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:40:15 -0000 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: Oscars NJC (now self-indulgently long, with SPOILERS for Crash) Vince wrote: << but I am beyond outrage that Brokeback did not get the best picture Oscar, as furious as I have ever been, the rumored gay backlash did happen - brokeback was such a perfect film and this may have killed my annual tradition of watching the oscars on oscar night, I am just too damned angry >> Well, I have no idea if this was a homophobic backlash or not, but I'm certainly horrified at the result. I thought it was bad enough that Brokeback Mountain didn't win, as I loved it; but I would have been happy had Walk The Line taken the prize. No, my gripe is about Crash, a film against which I had a violent reaction. And to get it off my chest, I'm copying below the review I did on the IMDB. Azeem in London READER, I WALKED OUT Well, I seem to be out of step with the majority view here, but I have to say that I HATED this film, despite the good things there were in it (some good dialogue amidst the schematic, mouthpiece-for-the-writer stuff and some good acting, especially from Don Cheadle and Thandie Newton). Although I accept that the film was trying to say important things, for me it simply didn't work at any level, because of the writer/director's shouty, showy style; "I'm saying something REALLY significant here; and look, all the people are prejudiced, not just whites, isn't that edgy; and oh, did you see what I did there with that snazzy editing?" I don't like being preached at, and that's what I felt with Crash. *SPOILERS IN THIS PARAGRAPH* Like one or two other reviewers on this site, I was also bothered by the relentless contrivances Haggis uses to get characters into the same space, many of which simply make no sense; and the ludicrous things some of them do once there: what was the director doing driving through that dodgy neighbourhood? How did the irate Iranian man find the locksmith's address (yes, Haggis thoughtfully showed a shot of a circled address in a phone book, but come on, how many people called 'D Ruiz' are there in LA??)? And I didn't believe for one moment that he would have fired the gun once he saw the girl. AND another thing: blanks at that range would still have caused injury or even death. My biggest objection to this film is that nearly every character is a cipher. Don Cheadle's mother is straight out of Central Casting, with one incredibly clichid line ("I was doin' real good"); Sandra Bullock's uptight WASP was even more annoying than she was meant to be; you just KNEW that Matt Dillon's racist LAPD officer would turn out to be a Great Cop. Crash (not to be confused with the David Cronenberg film, despite an opening speech which gives a none-too-subtle nod to it) has been compared to Magnolia, for an obvious reason: the multi-stranded plot. I think it also shares Magnolia's overweening self-importance and lack of humility; with its constant attempts to wrong-foot the viewer's expectations, it paradoxically becomes tiresomely predictable. *MORE SPOILERS* By the time of Ryan Philippe's confrontation with Larenz Tate, which, again, I did not find remotely credible - surely Tate's character would have realised how spooked the other was, and *explained* why he was laughing, rather than reach into his pocket, thereby signing his own death warrant - I'd had enough. I didn't care what happened, as these people did not come alive. - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.2/274 - Release Date: 03/03/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 06:25:14 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: RE: Oscars NJC (now self-indulgently long, with SPOILERS for Crash) I said to my husband at the outset of the night that, while I favored Brokeback, the only picture I was "rooting against' was Crash. It was contrived and preachy, and I saw the ending coming a mile away. Damn! I liked Jon Stewart as host, but I always like Jon Stewart. >Well, I have no idea if this was a homophobic backlash or not, but I'm >certainly horrified at the result. I thought it was bad enough that >Brokeback Mountain didn't win, as I loved it; but I would have been >happy had Walk The Line taken the prize. No, my gripe is about Crash, a >film against which I had a violent reaction. And to get it off my >chest, I'm copying below the review I did on the IMDB. > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 03:38:30 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Oscars NJC I thought Stewart did a great job - a little out of his element, but some truly funny moments. Poor Lauren Bacall - I felt sorry for her too. She must have Parkinsons or something, I think her head was shaking so much she couldn't stay focused on the teleprompter. I didn't care for any of the songs, so it's OK that "Pimp" won even though it's the one I liked the least. And I lost count of how many "montages" they had...dumb. No need for filler in 3.5 hour show. Even Stewart was making fun of the montage mania. Felicity Huffman should have beat Reese, but I knew she wouldn't and Reese's acceptance speech was so poignant and eloquent. I also liked Clooney's comments about being glad to be out of the mainstream. As for Crash - it definitely didn't deserve a best picture, and not sure why it won. I thought it was terribly contrived, and would not have appreciated it all except for the fact that I saw it on DVD, and in the bonus features they make the point that it's not supposed to be credible, but rather it's supposed to work as a fable, a morality play, a discussion starter. I think it succeeds on that front, but it was miles away from being considered "Best Picture". And I was embarrassed for the manipulative comments made about "having to watch films on the big screen" to appreciatiate them. Hollywood had one of their worst years ever in 2005, and of course instead of blaming all the shitty movies they blame the fans for watching them on DVD. Feh - - don't get me started. Bob NP: Ben Folds, "Dog" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 07:09:38 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Oscars, NJC >"Ya know, it's hard out here for a pimp..." Best song? You're kidding me! It's Crap. an embarrasment as a reflection of our society. . think of someone looking in to our culture. plus the "music" stinks. on a side note: in the last couple decades this kind of "stuff" is consistently honored and Joni's music is often overlooked. . . . sick society. . but we already knew. Best of show, yes. . . Meryl Streep and Lilly Tomlin. . . they got me into the groove. One of the few moments. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 07:33:26 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Oscars, NJC Okay..so this song won't be remembered ten years from now...or even next week.... I think Jon Stewart did start to get into the groove about half way into the show..but he lacked warmth. I just love Billy Crystal...and nobody..imo..beats the late great Johnny Carson as Oscar host. >>>"Ya know, it's hard out here for a pimp..." > > >Best song? > >You're kidding me! > >It's Crap. > >an embarrassment as a reflection of our society. . think of someone >looking in to our culture. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 04:51:56 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Oscars, NJC wish I could have seen Lily and Meryl - saw them sitting together. I adore them both. Fell asleep tho, before that! Am looking forward to seeing all these flicks now. Went to Blockbuster yesterday for Crash and North Country (gawd I love Frances McDormand, mmmmm, I want to go live with her) - but no joy. Maybe this week sometime. Looking forward to seeing "Brokeback" now, that I've seen a few snippets... Em - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > >"Ya know, it's hard out here for a pimp..." > > > Best song? > > You're kidding me! > > It's Crap. > > an embarrasment as a reflection of our society. . think of someone > looking > in to our culture. > > plus the "music" stinks. > > > on a side note: in the last couple decades this kind of "stuff" is > consistently honored and Joni's music is often overlooked. . . . > > sick society. . but we already knew. > > > Best of show, yes. . . Meryl Streep and Lilly Tomlin. . . they > got me > into the groove. > One of the few moments. > > > > Marianne > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's > FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 04:52:01 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Oscars, NJC wish I could have seen Lily and Meryl - saw them sitting together. I adore them both. Fell asleep tho, before that! Am looking forward to seeing all these flicks now. Went to Blockbuster yesterday for Crash and North Country (gawd I love Frances McDormand, mmmmm, I want to go live with her) - but no joy. Maybe this week sometime. Looking forward to seeing "Brokeback" now, that I've seen a few snippets... Em - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > >"Ya know, it's hard out here for a pimp..." > > > Best song? > > You're kidding me! > > It's Crap. > > an embarrasment as a reflection of our society. . think of someone > looking > in to our culture. > > plus the "music" stinks. > > > on a side note: in the last couple decades this kind of "stuff" is > consistently honored and Joni's music is often overlooked. . . . > > sick society. . but we already knew. > > > Best of show, yes. . . Meryl Streep and Lilly Tomlin. . . they > got me > into the groove. > One of the few moments. > > > > Marianne > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's > FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 07:57:14 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Oscars NJC Vince ..I totally disagree with you about the gay backlash....Hollywood ...the gay mecca?? Remember Brokeback was nominated for best picture...hardly a gay backlash. I just think the academy thought Crash was more relevant and riveting than a love story. I think Hollywood was just trying to hand out the awards evenly...for instance..George Clooney WASn't going to win for director..since Ang Lee.. who directed Brokeback had a lock on that win..so give George the best supporting acting award. I think we should hang Hollywood for this kind of stuff..but it's lack of gay awareness..not anymore. Bree >but I am beyond outrage that Brokeback did not get the best picture Oscar, >as furious as I have ever been, the rumored gay backlash did happen - >brokeback was such a perfect film and this may have killed my annual >tradition of watching the oscars on oscar night, I am just too damned >angry. > >Vince > >Janet Hess wrote: > >>Loved Tomlin & Streep. >> >>But I'm actually sort of glad about the best song. I liked the movie >>"Hustle & Flow" a lot, and the song is central to the movie. I remember >>when Terry Gross, host of "Fresh Air" on NPR, interviewed Terrence Howard. >>She said she left the movie singing to herself, "Ya know, it's hard out >>here for a pimp..." I guess I've been humming it ever since I watched the >>DVD, and I like the energy and zip it brought to the movie. >> >>Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, who think's it's hard out here for a >>kitty, too ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 08:01:56 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Oscars, NJC > Okay..so this song won't be remembered ten years from now...or even next > week.... > > I think Jon Stewart did start to get into the groove about half way into the > show..but he lacked warmth. I just love Billy Crystal...and > nobody..imo..beats the late great Johnny Carson as Oscar host. I kept thinking the same thing. Stewart was awful, but no one will ever top Johnny Carson as host. Jerry P.S. Does anyone remember that Crash was at the top of my Top Five list? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 08:03:51 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Oscars, NJC > wish I could have seen Lily and Meryl They were the freshest part of the whole stale 3 1/2 hours. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 09:47:42 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Oscars NJC Bree, I totally disagree that Hollywood is a "gay mecca." Exactly how many gay actors and actresses are there out there? The occasional acting award given on the rare occasion - ok, who besides Hanks for Philadelphia (a sexless role) and Hoffman for Capote (a sexless role) and Theron for Monster (not much of a sexual role) - is not exactly signs of heaven and acceptance. Crash was chosen because it was not Brokeback, it was the safe anti-Brokeback that was the source of speculation the last few weeks. Hollywood is still afraid of accepting of embracing what was the best picture because of its subject. And I will hang Hollywood for its lack of gay awareness all I want because it is well deserved. Brokeback was an incredible piece of film making, and Hollywood punted big time on the big award. Vince Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Vince ..I totally disagree with you about the gay > backlash....Hollywood ...the gay mecca?? Remember Brokeback was > nominated for best picture...hardly a gay backlash. I just think > the academy thought Crash was more relevant and riveting than a love > story. I think Hollywood was just trying to hand out the awards > evenly...for instance..George Clooney WASn't going to win for > director..since Ang Lee.. who directed Brokeback had a lock on that > win..so give George the best supporting acting award. I think we > should hang Hollywood for this kind of stuff..but it's lack of gay > awareness..not anymore. > > > Bree > > > > >> but I am beyond outrage that Brokeback did not get the best picture >> Oscar, as furious as I have ever been, the rumored gay backlash did >> happen - brokeback was such a perfect film and this may have killed >> my annual tradition of watching the oscars on oscar night, I am just >> too damned angry. >> >> Vince >> >> Janet Hess wrote: >> >>> Loved Tomlin & Streep. >>> >>> But I'm actually sort of glad about the best song. I liked the movie >>> "Hustle & Flow" a lot, and the song is central to the movie. I >>> remember when Terry Gross, host of "Fresh Air" on NPR, interviewed >>> Terrence Howard. She said she left the movie singing to herself, "Ya >>> know, it's hard out here for a pimp..." I guess I've been humming >>> it ever since I watched the DVD, and I like the energy and zip it >>> brought to the movie. >>> >>> Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, who think's it's hard out here >>> for a kitty, too ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:41:12 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Oscars, NJC (long and rambling) Subscribing today to hear what you all thought of the Oscar ceremony and to tell my own. Upset does not even begin to describe "Crash"'s win over "Brokeback Mountain". The last time it happened was when "Shakespeare in Love" took the Best Picture Award home and upset the favored-to-win "Saving Private Ryan" (although I thought the award should really belong to Terrence Malick's "The Thin Red Line"... but). There was jubilation from all those involved in "Crash" after Jack Nicholson announced it as the winner. I don't have a strong issue with the film itself even if an influential critic in LA who I respect very much called "Crash" as basically a powerpoint presentation masquerading as a movie. But it was indeed surprising considering the wins and triumphs of "Brokeback Mountain" in most critics' circles earlier in the season. "Crash"'s win in the SAG should have been a foreshadowing. Now SAG will claim to be THE ultimate predictor of winners next year after this unexpected win of "Crash". Personally I would have wanted "Good Night and Goodluck." to win. But it didn't win any award at all. Not even for David Strathairn -- this year's Chris Cooper. The best part is Lily Tomlin and Meryl Streep's speech that captured the nuances of a Robert Altman film -- overlapping dialogue, casting against type, merging diegetic and non-diegetic sound etc. Lovely to see the ladies up there and just another testament that you need two solid actresses to pull off that difficult speech and make it look like an Altman film itself. And Robert Altman himself looked terrific and in typical fashion, did not lapse into romantic nostalgic -- the very trait that made everyone love this incredibley talented and lovable Hollywood outsider. And he earned the night's (only?) standing ovation. Am I the only one who thought that Bird York is deserving of the Best Song? I have this woman's "Velvet Hour" CD and I urge everyone to buy that album -- mostly in used CD stores -- and plunge into the gorgeousness of her sound and her triphoppy beat of choice for her songs. In her album's cover she looked like Rene Russo but last night, she is even more beautiful. I just had a cognitive dissonance of all those "Crash" action behind her. I like the fact that Jennifer Garner quickly recovered from her (almost) slip. Stunt woman, yes! I like the musical scoring of "Memoirs of a Geisha" and much as in my opinion John Williams is kinda making the orchestral equivalent of muzak as far as scoring is concerned lately, the composition in "Geisha" is tender yet sweeping and as much musically informed by the film's theme and that country's musical traditions. But I have no trouble with Gustavo Santaolalla's win for "Brokeback Mountain". Check out this guitarist's solo album "Ron Roco" from Nonesuch for his Piazzola-ish guitar wizardry and Will Ackerman-ish moody atmospherics. Those who won in the major acting categories were predictably predictable. PSH, Reese, Rachel Weisz and George Clooney. They are certainly deserving of the award but I just think that PSH should have been nominated for his other film performances rather than his Truman Capote. But I am in the minority here. Reese is good too. Someone once said that no actor/actress wins the Oscar when they portray good people. Most of the time the winners are physically or psychologically or emotionally or socially or sexually flawed because it shows their acting range, so Reese's performamce as June Carter Cash must have been an "upset" to these roles. I personally think that the best performance of the year, man, woman child is that of Q'orianka Kilcher in the little-seen "The New World". That film deserves to be seen not only for the astounding cinematography but also for the way it refuses to lapse into an overeasy binary of bad-European-colonizers and utopian-and-nature-loving-native-population. Plus, the word Pocahontas was never ever mentioned in the film. But poor Lauren Bacall, she must have missed the teleprompter's lines at one point. It was obvious that she got lost midway and just made up her lines before she got into orbit again. Always a treat to see a legend and acting veteran. Was also surpised that "Tsotsi" won the best foreign language film. Aside from the documentary, I always am excited for the choice of the best foreign language film winner more than I care to admit. Some wins in the past in this category may have something to do with the Academy voters' support for that country's politics or specific social formations rather than the actual merits of the film, but then who says we can safely remove ourselves from politics and just look at things "objectively"? Tastes are always subjective and intensely personal. I really liked "Paradise Now" as a film because of its anti-polemical stance even if all sides of the debates were laid down in the film and given equal importance and screen time. For people like me with scant knowledge of the cultural dynamics in this part of the world, I appreciated and learned from this movie. It encourages you to think on your own. But I am so curious to see "Tsotsi". The last South African film I saw was last year's nominee "Yesterday" which is quite good. The only other foreign film I have not seen in the category is "Sophie Scholl". The Italian entry "The Beast The Resides in the Heart" (but retitled in a funkier and easy-to-remember English title) is not really that good in my opinion although actress Giovanna Mezzogiorno is the most beautiful Italian woman right now. "Joyeux Noel" is the type of film that I am always fascinated. How political conflicts are momentarily halted to celebrate the joyous holidays. That is why I find resonances in similar films like Ireland's "The Crying Game" or South Korea's "Joint Security Area" or even Bosnia's "No Man's Land". But I am excited to see "Tsotsi" and see what made this film a winner. Lastly, I am one of those admirers of the docu on penguins. So I liked it when those Frenchmen brought stuffed penguins on the stage and one even imitated the sound of penguins. I would have wanted "Darwin's Nightmare" to win because it is absorbing as much as disturbing but after watching "March of the Penguins" I melted. One thing's for sure, it's tough to be a penguin. Made me guilty for whining that the place to get coffee is far away from where I live because penguins trek far away and dangerous miles. Sad to see that Werner Herzog's two docus never got nominations in this category. Finally, I like Jon Stewart. But then I always liked him so I am biased. To me he has the irreverence that made Billy Crystal delightful even if he is obviously treading his way still and figuring out which joke/banter/one-liner he can get away with. I would like to seehim do it next year. For me he is better than David Letterman, Chris Rock, Whoopi Goldberg or Steve Martin. But this is a Jon Stewart fan speaking. Signing off for now in rainy Chapel Hill, Joseph np: Kris Adams "In Your Own Sweet Way" - --------------------------------- Nouveau : tiliphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Dicouvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Tilichargez la version beta. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 10:57:03 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Oscars NJC I know I'll regret this, but what the hell? First, the three of the top four acting categories were featuring characters who were gay or transgendered. Who cares if the characters were sexless. We've been saying for years it is the preference or identity, not the act that defines us. Those were not safe choices. Crash, a much better movie, was not a safe choice. In fact it was the only big surprise of the night. If the Academy wanted to go safe, it would have nominated King Kong, or Harry Potter, or even Chicken Little for best animated. It alone made more than any of the other nominated Best Pictures. So I think this is NOT the year to accuse Hollywood and the Academy of going the safe route. People who make movies and win awards are the likes of George Clooney and Michael Moore. Doesn't Hollywood get bashed enough by the Right? Jerry > Bree, I totally disagree that Hollywood is a "gay mecca." Exactly how > many gay actors and actresses are there out there? The occasional > acting award given on the rare occasion - ok, who besides Hanks for > Philadelphia (a sexless role) and Hoffman for Capote (a sexless role) > and Theron for Monster (not much of a sexual role) - is not exactly > signs of heaven and acceptance. Crash was chosen because it was not > Brokeback, it was the safe anti-Brokeback that was the source of > speculation the last few weeks. Hollywood is still afraid of accepting > of embracing what was the best picture because of its subject. And I > will hang Hollywood for its lack of gay awareness all I want because it > is well deserved. Brokeback was an incredible piece of film making, and > Hollywood punted big time on the big award. > > Vince > > Bree Mcdonough wrote: > >> Vince ..I totally disagree with you about the gay >> backlash....Hollywood ...the gay mecca?? Remember Brokeback was >> nominated for best picture...hardly a gay backlash. I just think >> the academy thought Crash was more relevant and riveting than a love >> story. I think Hollywood was just trying to hand out the awards >> evenly...for instance..George Clooney WASn't going to win for >> director..since Ang Lee.. who directed Brokeback had a lock on that >> win..so give George the best supporting acting award. I think we >> should hang Hollywood for this kind of stuff..but it's lack of gay >> awareness..not anymore. >> >> >> Bree >> >> >> >> >>> but I am beyond outrage that Brokeback did not get the best picture >>> Oscar, as furious as I have ever been, the rumored gay backlash did >>> happen - brokeback was such a perfect film and this may have killed >>> my annual tradition of watching the oscars on oscar night, I am just >>> too damned angry. >>> >>> Vince >>> >>> Janet Hess wrote: >>> >>>> Loved Tomlin & Streep. >>>> >>>> But I'm actually sort of glad about the best song. I liked the movie >>>> "Hustle & Flow" a lot, and the song is central to the movie. I >>>> remember when Terry Gross, host of "Fresh Air" on NPR, interviewed >>>> Terrence Howard. She said she left the movie singing to herself, "Ya >>>> know, it's hard out here for a pimp..." I guess I've been humming >>>> it ever since I watched the DVD, and I like the energy and zip it >>>> brought to the movie. >>>> >>>> Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, who think's it's hard out here >>>> for a kitty, too ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:27:17 +0000 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Oscars NJC Just chiming in... when I first saw Crash it certainly made me think about my own prejudices and how easily we all are fooled to think that it's 'other people's prejudices that make the world a worse place and I thought 'people should see this'... I feel that 'Hollywood' or the voting members of the academy thought that BBM got enough publicity and could ride the publicity trail with no problem, the amount of my gay and straight friends who have seen it over Crash is huge. Those that did see Crash were certainly moved by it but this was a more sophisticated cinema-going of the bunch. They were also very moved by Brokeback but went to see it, initially because of the 'gay shepherd movie' tag that it got and were of course curious... tell people it'll be bad for them and they will flock to it... maybe this win will make people see it, maybe it wont... at the end of the day the Big Five films that were left-of-centre got attention that they deserved on the night - Capote, Syriana, Brokeback, Goodnight and Good Luck and Crash, each of them. What I enjoyed about Crash was the fact it was ensemble acting and everyone had their moment (even Sandra Bullock, who I've never rated but here you can see some depth and honesty in her perfomance, well done to the director for getting that out of her!). What Brokeback did is to bring a gay love story (that most people would have relegated to to arthouses) to the fore and it should be awarded just for that (see the 'Titanic' like posters, the warm colours, the handsome posterboys etc etc... well done.) But what the awards like the Oscars do is to bring attention to *all* the films that it lauds, I don't think that the Hollywood gay mafia said to themselves, 'oh the Brits gave it best film, we can't do it again.' What does the award mean anyway? They all get the attention on the night, I'm glad that they were fairly evenly spread... If there was only 1 so-called 'left field' film this year, yes it would've won my vote, but there were 5 (IMHO) that should've won something that gets televised... so everyone wins... Jamie Zoob On 06/03/06, Jerry Notaro wrote: > I know I'll regret this, but what the hell? > First, the three of the top four acting categories were featuring characters > who were gay or transgendered. Who cares if the characters were sexless. > We've been saying for years it is the preference or identity, not the act > that defines us. Those were not safe choices. Crash, a much better movie, > was not a safe choice. In fact it was the only big surprise of the night. If > the Academy wanted to go safe, it would have nominated King Kong, or Harry > Potter, or even Chicken Little for best animated. It alone made more than > any of the other nominated Best Pictures. So I think this is NOT the year to > accuse Hollywood and the Academy of going the safe route. People who make > movies and win awards are the likes of George Clooney and Michael Moore. > Doesn't Hollywood get bashed enough by the Right? > > Jerry > > > Bree, I totally disagree that Hollywood is a "gay mecca." Exactly how > > many gay actors and actresses are there out there? The occasional > > acting award given on the rare occasion - ok, who besides Hanks for > > Philadelphia (a sexless role) and Hoffman for Capote (a sexless role) > > and Theron for Monster (not much of a sexual role) - is not exactly > > signs of heaven and acceptance. Crash was chosen because it was not > > Brokeback, it was the safe anti-Brokeback that was the source of > > speculation the last few weeks. Hollywood is still afraid of accepting > > of embracing what was the best picture because of its subject. And I > > will hang Hollywood for its lack of gay awareness all I want because it > > is well deserved. Brokeback was an incredible piece of film making, and > > Hollywood punted big time on the big award. > > > > Vince - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 and ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:10:02 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Oscars, NJC Of Lily and Meryl, Jerry writes: > They were the freshest part of the whole stale 3 1/2 hours. They were one of the few things I bothered to watch of the Oscar show, and they were very funny. Mostly I spent my TV time watching Law & Order SVU reruns. Yesterday's San Francisco Chronicle had an article that opined that the Oscars are basically an adult version of a high school popularity contest, and I completely agree. Every year I try to tune in, and every year I have to tune out. It's just a colossal waste of time. Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:46:18 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Anti-war concert in NYC on 3/20 Dear Joniamigos: Wow! Look what I just heard about (pasted below)! Has anyone here mentioned this yet? Did I miss it? Cindy Sheehan is tireless, God bless her. She WILL give peace a chance. And this is being held on sacred Joni-ground, to boot! Loved that sermon, Smurf. Now I'm ready to hear another one -- this time from Cindy. I have never met a more determined and inspiring person in all my life. Love and peace, Patti P. (copied and pasted from Gold Star Families for Peace from http://www.gsfp.org/article.php?id=116) Bring em Home Now Concert March 20, 2006 New York City R.E.M. singer Michael Stipe, Bright Eyes, Public Enemy frontman Chuck D and Rufus Wainwright will join peace activist Cindy Sheehan for the Bring 'Em Home concert. The event, which will benefit the Iraq Veterans Against the War and Veterans for Peace, will take place at New York's Hammerstein Ballroom on March 20th, the third anniversary of the U.S. invasion of Iraq. The evening's guest hosts will include such outspoken celebrities as Jane Fonda, Alec Baldwin, Margaret Cho and Janeane Garofalo; while Steve Earle, Fischerspooner, Peaches and Devendra Banhart will be among the other performers. Sheehan, whose son Casey was killed in Iraq in 2004, attracted the national spotlight last August when she held a month-long demonstration outside President George W. Bush's Texas ranch. "I thought that one person couldn't make a difference," Sheehan told Rolling Stone last year. "Then, after Casey was killed, my daughter Carly read me a poem she wrote. It moved me to action. I thought, 'If one person can't make a difference, at least I'm gonna go to my grave trying.'" The concert will kick off the national Bring 'Em Home speaking tour, which will bring Sheehan and noted authors to fifteen cities across the U.S. in April. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:13:13 -0800 (PST) From: Paul In MD Subject: Re: Oscars NJC A few thoughts on the Oscars: The Worst Moment For A Participant -- Must have been when 80-something Lauren Bacall walked onto the stage past a 30 foot tall blowup of her face at 20. Whose idea was that? It seemed like something more befitting "Sunset Boulevard" than the Oscars. No wonder she was unnerved. Song -- I like Dolly Parton and was pleased that her voice had much less of the Munchkin quality that it displayed on her recent BSN cover. A fairly thin song but with a message of sorts. The other two songs were writeoffs in my book. Then again, none of them were Oscar worthy. Freshest Segment -- Lily and Meryl. They should take that act on the road. Then again, they are both incredibly talented and can pull something like that off. I'm sure it's harder than it looks, folks. Montage Mania -- There are some truly great moments from film but I'm not sure that bombarding viewers with 3 second clips like some video game gone amuck is the best way to view them. In Memoriam -- How tacky is it to clap for dead people? I always feel like it is one last popularity contest -- who is going to get the loudest applause? I know it's unreasonable to ask the Hollywood audience to refrain, but perhaps the production team could mute the volume while the recently deceased are being honored. Classiest Moment -- Reese Witherspoon. Nuff said. Best Picture -- I thought Brokeback was the best film of the year and should have won since its director won and if he's the best director, isn't it the best film? That's not how the Academy works, though, is it? Am I correct in thinking that the directors get to vote for Best Director while the entire membership gets to vote for Best Film? So it's just popularity contest. It's just sad that no one ever remembers who best director was. Hangover Effect -- I can't help playing over and over in my head "Well it's hard out there for a pimp ..." Surely it's the second coming and the wrath has finally taken form. Paul In MD - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:33:14 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Oscars, NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" > P.S. Does anyone remember that Crash was at the top of my Top Five list? Now we do ; ) I think they were playing it conservative. Not just with Brokeback, but with Syrianna and GNAGL, avoiding the political, taking the safe middle road. Brokeback was the movie phenomena of the year, and topped every critic's list, I was very surprised that it was not Best Picture. On the other hand, as you say, Jerry, look at the nominations. There was an atmosphere of "this is our night, yes, us, the Hollywood liberals". But after all the chest-beating about making movies on tough social issues, they backed down. "I can't help but feel that, somehow, it just became a little easier out here for a pimp"-Jon Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:54:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Oscars, NJC Randy Remote wrote: > I think they were playing it conservative. Not just with Brokeback, but > with > Syrianna and GNAGL, avoiding the political, taking the safe middle road. > Brokeback was the movie phenomena of the year, and topped every critic's > list, I was very surprised that it was not Best Picture. > On the other hand, as you say, Jerry, look at the nominations. There > was > an atmosphere of "this is our night, yes, us, the Hollywood liberals". But > after all the chest-beating about making movies on tough social issues, > they > backed down. How can you say they backed down by awarding it to Crash? Compared to Brokeback Mountain it was practically an arthouse release. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:27:47 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Oscars NJC Vince..I wasn't really thinking of roles in movies..but more the acceptance of gays in real life by the Academy voters.. actors..actresses...directors..make-up....etc,. That's fine you want to hang Hollywood for it's lack of gay awareness..I prefer to hang them for their crappy out put much of the time. Bree >Bree, I totally disagree that Hollywood is a "gay mecca." Exactly how many >gay actors and actresses are there out there? The occasional acting award >given on the rare occasion - ok, who besides Hanks for Philadelphia (a >sexless role) and Hoffman for Capote (a sexless role) and Theron for >Monster (not much of a sexual role) - is not exactly signs of heaven and >acceptance. Crash was chosen because it was not Brokeback, it was the safe >anti-Brokeback that was the source of speculation the last few weeks. >Hollywood is still afraid of accepting of embracing what was the best >picture because of its subject. And I will hang Hollywood for its lack of >gay awareness all I want because it is well deserved. Brokeback was an >incredible piece of film making, and Hollywood punted big time on the big >award. > >Vince > >Bree Mcdonough wrote: > >>Vince ..I totally disagree with you about the gay backlash....Hollywood >>...the gay mecca?? Remember Brokeback was nominated for best >>picture...hardly a gay backlash. >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 13:28:08 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Oscars NJC "Loved Tomlin & Streep" Me too, what happened to Lauren Bacall? Seemed like she had difficulty walking but then when she lost her train of thought... uncomfortable like the recent sly stone performance... I really liked the song from crash (performed by the songwriter- cool!)... haven't seen all the movies but watching the clips (& realized that HL reminded me of an poor man's GWB in the clip they showed- don't shoot me!) prior to the winner announced I was blown away by PSH & was rooting for him to win so was happy he did (was also moved by his thanks... he was shaking)... speaking of which, I loved how more people thanked their moms than jesus ( I think only the pimp guys thanked jesus... LOL)... I am not sure that BBM not getting the best picture is a backlash but I haven't seen crash or any of the others up for best picture other that BBM... BBM got other awards which give kudos to the film in many ways (director, screenplay, music)... I have no idea what the criteria for best picture is anyway... films are made up of so many parts... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:24:04 -0500 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Sweet Sixteen Joni Sampler Hello everyone - another lurker popping in to say hello!! I really do enjoy the back and forth on this discussion list - you all sound like interesting and (crazy) people. I downloaded the "Sweet Sixteen" covers that Bob Mueller posted on yousendit and I have to say - K. D. Lang's version of Jericho might be the third best cover of a Joni tune I have ever heard - the first being Tom Rush's Urge for Going and the second being Diana Krall's A Case of You. I have played this version of Jericho at least 25 times now and I still cant get enough of it. The only other cover of a joni tune that I have heard from K.D was "Help Me" from the tribute on PBS a few years back. Thanks Bob. That leads me to a question - what other Joni covers do people find exceptional? Enjoy this discussion list a great deal .....Stewart - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 16:47:05 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Sweet Sixteen Joni Sampler I have many, but my favorite is Bonnie Raitt's That Song About the Midway. Jerry > Hello everyone - another lurker popping in to say hello!! I really do enjoy > the back and forth on this discussion list - you all sound like interesting > and (crazy) people. I downloaded the "Sweet Sixteen" covers that Bob > Mueller posted on yousendit and I have to say - K. D. Lang's version of > Jericho might be the third best cover of a Joni tune I have ever heard - > the first being Tom Rush's Urge for Going and the second being Diana > Krall's A Case of You. I have played this version of Jericho at least 25 > times now and I still cant get enough of it. The only other cover of a joni > tune that I have heard from K.D was "Help Me" from the tribute on PBS a > few years back. Thanks Bob. That leads me to a question - what other Joni > covers do people find exceptional? Enjoy this discussion list a great deal > .....Stewart > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:13:00 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: canadian song writer's hall of fame NJC http://www.cbc.ca/programguide/program/index.jsp?program=Words+To+Music%3A+Canadian+Songwriters+Hall+of+Fame thought this might be of interest.... mags. let us go then you and i ~t.s.eliot~ Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:20:49 +1100 From: Melissa Gibbs Subject: Sweet Sixteen Volume 1 Again, I missed the opportunity to download Sweet 16 Volume 1 from 3You Send It2. Perhaps the time zones (being from down under) are against me. I did, however, get Joni Covers Volume 74 (thanks Bob). Would someone be so kind as to resend Sweet 16 Volume 1? Thanks in advance Melissa in Sydney NP: The Rescue Blues - Ryan Adams ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:19:24 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: copy/paste project only if i can delete certain things i've said over the course of my time in eden here. ;-) hey , who says you can't change the past? damn straight i can. and i'm not sorry either. hissss...sorry....um how does this thing work? perhaps if many of us do a little then, it might get done ... willing to give it a geaux... mags let us go then you and i ~t.s.eliot~ Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:40:16 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Oscars NJC Kate wondered: > Me too, what happened to Lauren Bacall? Seemed like she had difficulty > walking but then when she lost her train of thought... One of the other few things I happened to catch. No, she didn't lose her train of thought. She lost her place on the TelePrompter. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:20:21 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Oscars NJC I guess I do and always have viewed the Oscars in a different perspective, along with the Emmy's, Grammy's, etc..... It's always an event for me to get together with good friends, have a nice dinner, and try and watch the show. I didn't see any of the movies nominated, and I was only cheering for BBM because I'm gay. I know it must be a good movie, or it wouldn't have been nominated. I won't say "I'm never going to watch the Oscars again," just because it's a Hollywood popularity contest. We had a wonderful time last night seeing the glamour and glitz. Laughing at some of the horrible wardrobes, listening to Reese's wonderful acceptance speech, and a few jokes from Jon Stewart. I don't really give a flip who won which award, but that's just me. I had a great time last night. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:34:37 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Oscars, NJC (long and rambling) Yes, and the one guy's line about "looking out at all the tuxedos makes me think I'm watching our movie again" was a hoot. Bob NP: Jennifer Warnes, "Song Of Bernadette" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:43:45 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Oscars NJC And that was the point of the film...obviously in a city as big as LA you wouldn't have so many over-the-top coincidences, so it becoames a case of "what if" and wondering about our inter-connectedness. Reminded me of the Wednesday after 9/11, driving to work and at EVERY stoplight everyone was looking at everyone else, smiling and waving good morning and realizing that what we take for granted is not always so secure. Of course, "To Kill A Mockingbird" does the same thing, and it's an excellent and totally credible story at the same time. Neither here nor there, I suppose. Bob NP: Graham Parker, "Love Gets You Twisted" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #82 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------