From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #77 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 2 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 077 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Nash Photo Exhibit San Diego some JC ["Russell Bowden" ] Re: Joni sampler, Joni project [Paul In MD ] Fallbrook Joni Tribute [Dave Blackburn ] njc, Jen:  come up to my campus! ["Marianne Rizzo" ] More on Ian Shaw's Tribute - tracklist too!!! [Bob Muller ] Re: Sweet 16, Volume 2 - Coversfest rolls on! [Bob Muller ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #63 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: Podcasts (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Damn! Missed Volume 2 [Melissa Gibbs ] back from hibernation (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Damn! Missed Volume 2 [Brian Gross ] Dr. Phil [" janine sherman" ] Re: njc my mom ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Eminem NJC [vince ] Re: eminem NJC [vince ] Music For Me Lately - VLJC ["Cassy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 05:39:24 -0800 From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Nash Photo Exhibit San Diego some JC Gang, I've been JMDL-less since last summer. Had to spend some "Trouble Child' time in hospital. Feeling much better and now working for LL Bean in Maine (my home state). Made a recent trip to San Diego and had the pleasure of seeing the Graham Nash photo exhibit at the Museum of Photo Art in Balboa Park...(This must be old news to a lot..sorry..) The two pictures of Joni were out of this world..Joni listening to music and Joni's face through the magnifying glasses looking at her painting for the Clouds album...What a quiet force he captured in the photos...The Mama Cass, Jerry Garcia (taken from the back), Crosby, Stills and Young pics were stand-outs as well. His numerous self-portraits were also terrific... A must see if you're in the area. I went cold turkey from Our Queen for many months and am just now starting to listen again. I don't have a copy of DED at present and am bemused at the feelings I have of missing it very much. Next purchase for sure. Been listening to a LOT of Glenn Gould (the other GREAT CANADIAN!) playing Bach....Takes me to another place...a real nice place. Recommended, especially the English Suites. Hope you are all well and happy. It's nice to be back. Hey, El Gee! Russ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:59:24 -0800 (PST) From: Paul In MD Subject: RE: Joni sampler, Joni project I first became aware of Joni in '74 when Help Me was released although my first real immersion didn't occur til several years later when I purchased Hejira. Hissing and C&S soon followed and I purchased each successive album when it was released (exceptions were DJRD and Dog Eat Dog though they have since been added). Because of this, I've always mentally catagorized Joni as a jazz influenced artist. I can see how those that followed her career from the beginning have a difficult time not referring to her as a folk artist. It's just the way out mental filing systems work. If you look at her entire career, she's uncatagorizable. It was only after Night Ride Home that I purchased her earlier recordings. They are masterpieces in their own right but it was amazing to hear bits and pieces of the music and think "ah, she expanded on that on ____." For example, when I listened to Ladies of the Canyon for the first time, the title song was the only one on the album that had what I considered the beginnings of the "Joni sound". What we first hear affects our perceptions of what we hear later. That being said, there is surely a reason we come to her music in the way we do. Several years ago I was going thru an uncharacteristic romantic rough patch (uncharacteristic in that romance was involved not in that it was a rough patch). A friend was incredulous that I had never heard FTR. Several days later it arrived in the mail. What a recording -- it was truly cathartic. Still, I'm glad I was in my 40s and not in my teens when I was introduced to it. Had it been the other way around, I'm sure I'd have spent my high school years locked in my darkened room listening to it over and over and ... ;) Paul In MD - -- briefly delurking and also thanking everyone for the wonderful NYC tribute reports Richard Flynn wrote:Both albums have such personal associations from very troubled times for me At age 17 (FTR) and 21 (Hejira) that it's hard for me to be objective. I wallowed in those albums--though I guess the same could be said for Blue (16 springs and 16 summers gone then). I remember playing "River" on the piano, having learned it from the album, and as I was playing it my mother came in to find me in tears. Richard Just FYI -- I came to this list a folkie-Joni lover who hated any jazzy-Joni stuff, yet a couple of years later I found myself obsessed with 'Hejira' and some much later work. Still haven't managed to fall in love with the '80s stuff yet. Not holding my breath on that score. - --Smurf - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 08:06:25 -0800 (PST) From: Paul In MD Subject: Re: Joni sampler, Joni project Just my personal opinion, but I like the sound of Dog Eat Dog. Sure, it's not the early folk, it's not the later jazz but I like the melodies and the lyrics are Joni at her cutting edge best. For someone who isn't a fan of Joni's music, the melodies and production on Dog Eat Dog might just hook them. Of course, the lyrics ain't lite fare. Aye -- there's the rub. Then again, I like Dancing Clown ... so what do I know? ;) Paul In MD (who should be working, not posting) Cassy wrote: From: Richard Flynn <<< Though if I never listen to Dog Eat Dog or Chalk Mark again it'll be too soon. >>> It always amuses me to read of people who dislike "Dog Eat Dog" so much. While it's never been one of my absolute favorites, it does have it's place in Joni History. Cassy - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 08:00:28 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Fallbrook Joni Tribute Hi to all on the list. I'm Dave Blackburn, a new sign-up, and it was my show with my wife, vocalist Robin Adler, in Fallbrook CA that Lindsay Moon wrote a report on last weekend. The Library section of jonimitchell.com contains the Fallbrook Village News interview with us before the show that I believe caught Bob Muller's eye and alerted Lindsay about. At one point our tribute mention was actually "above" the Carnegie Hall one!! We spent several months preparing the music for the concert, memorizing the vast quantities of lyrics, guitar hand positions, tunings and then rehearsing the band. I'm a guitar teacher amongst other things, and got to include my student 16 year old Evan Stumpges on fretless bass, who took on the daunting project of replicating the Jaco P bass parts, especially to "Hejira". He's still trying to master the "Dry Cleaner" licks... We had a very successful night with a wonderful crowd singing along and beaming smiles at us, helping us out during the inevitable memory lapses that come in a debut of a complex show. Of course it had to happen: I had 7 guitars in different tunings and picked up the wrong one at one point and launched into "Woman of Heart and Mind" realizing a few bars in that something was awry!! Robin spaced a few times on lyrics etc. But as I said the crowd was totally with us and forgave everything; I think Joni fans are just so pleased to hear the music that they are gracious about such things. Robin did sing beautifully...she killed me on "Case of You" and my all-time favorite Joni song "Hejira". We have other shows booked in our area which I can send bulletins about if you send me your email address and we'd love to take it out of town and do house concerts if there's anyone out there who'd like to offer a venue. We can do the show just as a duo if need be and since we are husband and wife we're easy to travel and accommodate. Don't know what to do about the battery of extra guitars but maybe loaners/renters would be available. I begin to see what Joni was talking about in "94 when she had couldn't handle the guitar tuning logistics anymore and was ready to quit--Roland showed her the VG-8 one week prior to her "farewell" concert which enabled another few years of performing and the Taming the Tiger" album. I don't know if any of you know about her interview from the Roland promo mag I got at the NAMM show in "95 featuring JM and her relief at finding this solution to her tuning nightmares. I can send a pdf of it to anyone interested. So HI ALL! Let us know if we can play for you...the real thing is long retired after all... Dave Blackburn producer-recording engineer-guitarist-drummer-composer-teacher-Joni fan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 13:22:51 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: njc, Jen:  come up to my campus! it's turned into full blown joni tourettes Patti sweet thing cannot help herself. Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:07:53 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Jen: come up to my campus! Our sweet (song)bird Sherelle wrote: Hi Jen! Of course we care!!! Congratulations!!!! You're stuck with us now my friend!!!! Fingers, toes, legs and eyes are crossed in hope for you! Sherelle Jennifer wrote: hey everyone, i'm the girl that wrote asking about people's opinions of the mohammed cartoons thing. i just wanted to tell everyone who emailed me thanks for doing so. and to anyone out there who cares...i got accepted to lehigh university's social cognition doctoral program!!! i'm on the waiting list for uconn. cross your fingers! (and berkeley rejected me :( oh well) jen Hi Jen: Sherelle is correct: of course we care! And did you say UConn? Yes!!! "Come up to my" campus "and I'll show you my best recipes". Those are paraphrased lyrics from Joni's "Raised on Robbery" from "Court and Spark", for your remedial information. Sheesh, somebody get this girl some Joni CDs, STAT! Paging Dr. Laura! Paging Dr. Wally! Paging SCJoniguy! Seriously though, if you come to UConn, call me and I can show you around Morning UConn Town (that's a reference to Joni's "Morning Morgantown" from "Ladies of the Canyon."). We can also do "Night in the City" here, too, but I warn you that there isn't much "city" here -- it's a bucolic campus that started out as agricultural college in 1881. It "stays pretty green" here in the summertime, and we have the best ice-cream you ever tasted, made from our own cows. We'll find a table in the shade And sip our tea and lemonade And watch the morning on parade In morning Morgantown My name is Patti and I have a serious condition called Joni Mitchell Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (JMOCD). If you come to UConn's Social Psych PhD program, maybe you can "help me"! OR, maybe I can help YOU learn more about Joni's lyrics. We can be a mutual aid society, and paint the town Joni-blue. It would be great to have another JMDLer on this campus. To prove that Joni is the greatest singer/songwriter on this "little green" earth I will have the last laugh on my colleagues, 'cause instead one Joni-head, we'll have two, and you know two heads are better than one! (another lyric reference, this time to "Twisted" from "Court and Spark". See? "I told you I met you I was crazy!") A belated welcome, and best wishes for your studies ("you know life is for learning"), wherever you end up. Love, Patti P., just another silly girl, when JMOCD makes a fool of me _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 06:05:39 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Sweet 16, Volume 2 - Coversfest rolls on! Here are some CD covers for the other two volumes of Bob's Sweet 16 compilations. http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=27F6OSRUH6CMU1SJ6Q8C6IDUMP Mark in Sydney NP Carey - Judd Grossman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:47:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Faulkner Subject: Re: njc, Jen: come up to my campus! hopefully i'll get to come up to your campus. boy, i've landed myself in the middle of a sick, sick crowd! i've got to read all of joni's lyrics so i can understand your strange way of speaking!! it'll be okay, patti. just breath.....we all want to help you.... Patti Parlette wrote: Hi Jen: Sherelle is correct: of course we care! And did you say UConn? Yes!!! "Come up to my" campus "and I'll show you my best recipes". Those are paraphrased lyrics from Joni's "Raised on Robbery" from "Court and Spark", for your remedial information. Sheesh, somebody get this girl some Joni CDs, STAT! Paging Dr. Laura! Paging Dr. Wally! Paging SCJoniguy! Seriously though, if you come to UConn, call me and I can show you around Morning UConn Town (that's a reference to Joni's "Morning Morgantown" from "Ladies of the Canyon."). We can also do "Night in the City" here, too, but I warn you that there isn't much "city" here -- it's a bucolic campus that started out as agricultural college in 1881. It "stays pretty green" here in the summertime, and we have the best ice-cream you ever tasted, made from our own cows. We'll find a table in the shade And sip our tea and lemonade And watch the morning on parade In morning Morgantown My name is Patti and I have a serious condition called Joni Mitchell Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (JMOCD). If you come to UConn's Social Psych PhD program, maybe you can "help me"! OR, maybe I can help YOU learn more about Joni's lyrics. We can be a mutual aid society, and paint the town Joni-blue. It would be great to have another JMDLer on this campus. To prove that Joni is the greatest singer/songwriter on this "little green" earth I will have the last laugh on my colleagues, 'cause instead one Joni-head, we'll have two, and you know two heads are better than one! (another lyric reference, this time to "Twisted" from "Court and Spark". See? "I told you I met you I was crazy!") A belated welcome, and best wishes for your studies ("you know life is for learning"), wherever you end up. Love, Patti P., just another silly girl, when JMOCD makes a fool of me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 16:04:43 EST From: Snapple1984@aol.com Subject: Re: eminem NJC Sorry, I'm a little confused - are you guys Eminem fans or no? I can't claim to have been a fan since day 1, when he was doing underground battles in Detroit, but I have been a hardcore fan since his first video was played on MTV. Since then, I've gotten all his albums and have a hard time determing which is best. I like The Slim Shady LP because it is very raw and rather juvenile at times, like Greenday's Dookie but told from the point of view of a marginalized group of people - poor, uneducated whites. The Marshall Mathers LP I ran on rotation so many times that it's hard for me to even judge that one anymore. The Eminem show is just fabulous rhymes, fabulous content, fabulous production, imo. I wasn't as crazy about his fourth album based on the singles but I need to listen to it more. Any favorite songs? Off the top of my head, my faves probably include "Pusher" or whatever it's called, the send up of Curtis Mayfield's (I got mushrooms I got acid, I got tabs and acid tablets . . . ) Still Don't Give a F*ck, Criminal, Kill You, Kim, Square Dance, Superman, I Think My Dad's Gone Crazy and Til the Roof Collapse. - Kira NP: Morgan the Pirate, Richard and Mimi Farina A QUESTION - I absolutely LOVE the Farinas and I want to learn how to play some of their songs. Does anybody know anything about this/ have played some of their songs, especially on dulcimer? I'm especially interested in learning to play Morgan the Pirate, Sell-Out Agitation Waltz, Lemonade Lady and Bold Marauder. Some of the songs you can do on guitar easily, like Pack of You Sorrows and Swallong song, but it doesn't sound as full. Any thoughts? Where would you look to buy a good second-hand dulcimer? NP: Joan Baez, Swallong Song ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:31:32 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: welcome back Jimmy! NJC hey Jimmy , welcome back, and thanks for the re-introduction of sorts....jeBAS someone better save us from all those sappy lyrics.... ;-))))) .... I'm back on track too, having been away for a while. It's been quite a trip, but you know, there IS no place like home, and home for me, for anyone who A)cares to know or B) doesnt have a clue who I am....or C)needs a sweet talkin reminder, this sassy single gal lives on the Canadian Prairie....smack in the center of the Canada...(sorry Catherine, but we DO rule out here ;-PPP) Anyway....I'm having the time of my life, working hard musically, and writerly...plenty of good things in my life, all round. At last . A wonderful, solid fan base here, which is a blast. If you want a taste of the music of the Peg check out the Winnipeg Folk Festival. And from there, you might consider, the Wailin Jennys, Dan Frechette, Mark Reeves, Cara Luft (wonderful solo performer... also, Jeremy Proctor, Tim Butler, um...and who knows, there may be more. oh , and I thought this was the Jazz List too. hehe... I have missed y'all. tonnes of love always, Mags let us go then you and i ~t.s.eliot~ - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:03:11 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: More on Ian Shaw's Tribute - tracklist too!!! It's only fitting that right in the middle of Covers Week, I get an email from the director of International Sales & Marketing for Linn Records (Ian Shaw's label) giving me the details on Ian's upcoming Joni tribute CD "Drawn To All Things". First I want to quote her opening comment: "Hi Bob, I saw with interest your undercover page on www.jonimitchell.com. It is good to see an official artist site embrace covers the way you do." Boo-yah!!!! OK, now onto the tracklist...and you have to remember that Ian's interpretations are very inventive - these will be very original. Needless to say I'm drooling to hear them - here's what's on the disc: Jericho Moon at the Window Night in the City Edith and the Kingpin Harlem in Havana A Case of You Barangrill Chelsea Morning Love or Money Talk to Me River Night Ride Home Both Sides Now Stay In Touch Omigod! Three "firsts"...(Stay In Touch, Talk To Me, Love Or Money) and except for Moon At The Window, Ian's pretty much sidestepping the 80's stuff (although if anyone could do Dancin' Clown justice, he could). And as if that wasn't enough, check out these liner notes by Ian. Absolutely brilliant, and might even bring a tear to your eye like they did to mine. Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ sarah vaughan, t-rex, supertramp, miles davis, sinatra and david bowie. my teenage record collection was a roll-call of every musical sensation needed to pave the way for my own precocious foray into making music. i was fascinated by the sounds and the story worlds of "bewitched", "willow weep for me" and "life on mars". miniatures, myths, frozen little moods pressed onto pungent glossy discs. mysterious yet familiar, orchestrations forged on distant shores, ever evolving yet never changing. iconic artwork, cherished gatefold sleeves, lyric sheets, stickers, 45 and 33rpm, a-sides, b-sides, ep's, lp's, best of's, free posters, calendars. each album had its own smell, its own texture. the design of each cover reflected the music inside. i found a record called "blue" by joni mitchell in my little town library on the way home from school on the last day of my sixth-form autumn term. i was sixteen. you could take out three records at a time. i dont remember the other two. walking home through the filthy melting snow, i checked the cover. david bowie's sister. sharp cheekbones bathed in grainy dark blue shadows. a still from a gig perhaps. the lyrics were printed over a gatefold centre: "the bed's too big, the frying pan's too wide", "i made my baby cry", "a foggy lullaby", "dark cafes", "needles, guns and grass". rock and roll words mixed into images so specific, so confessional, so domestic as to be straight from a diary kept in a drawer...somewhere in america. i couldn't imagine how joni mitchell would sound and, to this day, i still dont fully understand the unfathomable beauty of her recordings. i felt i was, at sixteen, an honorary member of a secret club. i quickly found her other records. the immaculate marriage of words and music in joni's work has always fascinated and puzzled me. the constant, aching search for happiness combined with the concerns we all have for the demise of everything we treasure. on "miles of aisles", her first live set, joni describes a song as "a portrait of disappointment". thousands of great american songs before her have touched on personal disappointments, usually related to love. joni would later record an entire album charting the course of a love affair. the songs i've chosen for this session are, without doubt, beautifully composed popular song forms. the imagery is personal yet universal, and i hope that by re-arranging and scoring them for what is essentially an enduring jazz format - piano, bass and drums - i havent taken away from their original compositional greatness. i sensed that joni's more diary-based works like "hejira", and her heartfelt, magical collusion with the legendary charlie mingus on "mingus" wouldn't suit re-invention of any kind. occasionally joni mitchell writes what seems to be the perfect song for every singer. "stay in touch" (from "taming the tiger") is one. "river" ("blue") is another. i've recorded both. they shake my bones when i sing them. "the emotions themselves - audibly in the music like creatures trapped in amber" (jim irwin) ian shaw - january 2006 - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:23:14 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Fallbrook Joni Tribute Howdy Dave - welcome to the JMDL! Like Bob Dylan said, all thanks to a simple twist of fate...a find on a Google News search that led me to the news of your tribute, which I shared with the group, and I'm glad that Lindsay could make it - she is surely one of the JMDL's finest ambassadors! Lindsay gave us a great report of the show, and I'm happy that you and Robin were so warmly received and that the show was a hit. I hope you're able to take it all over the place! Feel free to use this forum to spread the word about upcoming shows; there are JMDLer's all over the world, and especially on the west coast, so don't be surprised to see them showing up. There are lots of guitar players here as well who can maybe offer you some tips on dealing with Joni's tunings. And by the way, Hejira is my favorite Joni song as well. Bob NP(Now Playing): Pearl Jam, "Mankind" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:26:49 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Sweet 16, Volume 2 - Coversfest rolls on! Very cool stuff, Mark - thanks so much. Now I have to get Volume 1 out there, and maybe look at assembling a Volume 4 - ah, the work of a Joni covers king is never done. Bob NP: The Minutemen, "Toadies" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:30:47 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: eminem NJC Not a lot of us Eminem fans out here in Joniland, Kira - Vince is the most rabid. But the cool thing about this list is that it's OK to like and dislike what you will. Folks may not agree but we do a pretty good job of respecting the diffs. All I have is The Eminem Show and I like it; I think the guy is incredibly inventive with his language and beats. Bob NP: Jackson Browne, "The Road" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 21:41:03 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #63 I just caught on to the Sweet 16 "you send it" Volume 2. Did I miss Volume 1 - and if so could someone send me the "you send it sight?" Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:54:45 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Podcasts (NJC) Cherish is the word catherine really depises has been playing in my head all day... thanks ya'll >Oh noooooooo!!! Even more than the word "cherish", I despise the song "Cherish".< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:31:05 +1100 From: Melissa Gibbs Subject: Damn! Missed Volume 2 Got all of Volume 3 (love it!) but the link for Volume 2 has gone AWOL. I get this message on the You Send It website: "Unfortunately, the link you have clicked is not available. The file has most likely exceeded its allotted bandwidth or has been removed by the original sender or a recipient." Any chance of a repost? Melissa in Sydney NP: ABC radio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:57:58 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: back from hibernation (njc) Jimmy I thought of you during the ice skating portion of the Olympics! kate bennett who from this day forward will also be known as: Scratchy Drunkenpaws ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:21:12 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Damn! Missed Volume 2 I'll put Vol 2 up on YouSendIt again when I get to work tomorrow. The zipfile is on my computer there Melissa Brian in south jersey - --- Melissa Gibbs wrote: > Got all of Volume 3 (love it!) but the link for Volume 2 has gone AWOL. I > get this message on the You Send It website: > > "Unfortunately, the link you have clicked is not available. > > The file has most likely exceeded its allotted bandwidth or has been removed > by the original sender or a recipient." > > Any chance of a repost? I've looked at love from both sides now From give and take, and still somehow It's love's illusions I recall I really don't know love at all --Joan, with the wisdom of the ages Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 22:55:39 -0500 From: " janine sherman" Subject: Dr. Phil Hi everybody, Many thanks for the details and pictures from the recent NYC shows. I enjoyed them all. Today on his show, Dr. Phil quoted from Big Yellow Taxi. He was admonishing some young fool who cheated reapeated on his lovely young wife. She was undecided as to whether to keep him. He told him "It's like the song, you don't know what you got till it's gone." So there. All the best, Hope the spirits are high in NOLA! Janine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:21:13 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: njc my mom My brother called awhile ago. It looks like Mom is going fast. I have booked a flight to Omaha tomorrow morning and will be driving over to Keokuk where my mom is with brother and sister-in-law tomorrow afternoon. My aunt was with Mom most of the day. She seems to think Mom is waiting for my brother and my sister and myself to get there. My sister is making arrangements to get there from California. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 00:27:18 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Eminem NJC Snapple1984@aol.com wrote: >Sorry, I'm a little confused - are you guys Eminem fans or no? > > Forgive me, I do not remember how long you have been a member here, but you must have joined after The Eminem Show came out, at least. I am totally an Eminem fan and his work has been debated and discussed on this board for a long time. There are a handful of other Em fans here, but I won't out them, they can reveal themselves. I got turned on to Em by one of the great JMDL posters ever, Michael Yarbrough who I miss here. Em the poster (no relation to M. Mathers, and as I understand, not a fan) threw out the mention of Eminem because he wanted to brighten my day, which was much appreciated. I've seen Eminem in concert four times (two in Chicago, two in Detroit, once with my grandson). I agree that it has taken a little longer to get into Encore but that is because he isn't stroking the star making machinery behind the popular song so much, he has exploring the art form and it just isn't always as accessible (analogy to Mingus, perhaps, at least to HOSL). Rainman cracks me up every time I hear it, Never Enough is a vastly underrated song, Evil Deeds is funny as hell and a great sing along, Mockingbird has made its own case and One Shot 2 Shot is as great a dance song as there is. Nothing has the power of Mosh though, I can't get through that without get all teared up. On Curtain Call, it is a kick to hear Em and Elton again, what a great night that was. My favorites - too many to name. My dog Shady (who is a smart ass dog but then I named him Shady and he has to live up to the name) loves Real Slim Shady cuz Shady loves to hear his name, although I like to sing to the dog "you don't want to fuck with Shady cuz Shady... etc..." Cleaning out My Closet, Stan, Without Me, Lose Yourself, Hailey's Song, White America, the list goes on and on - my two biggest faves are the vastly underrated 8 Mile - I think it is his most poignant song - and, I am whatever you say I am, if I wasn't, then why would you say I am... that could be an anthem for my life. I disagree greatly with you that Slim Shady LP is about poor uneducated whites. It is about, to me, in my opinion, what it all is about - kids who were neglected, ignored by their parents who were too busy doing their own thing to care, love, raise, or pay attention to their children. Kids who had a parent become the asshole parent who walked away and never came back, the children who were bounced around from house to house because they had to home, no where to be wanted, shuffled between relatives because mom or dad was out drinking, drugging, whoring, doing their own thing. Where were the parents... as he asks in those words and in so many other words. And then his music is the original voice of rock and roll (isn't his Sing for a Moment such a blast to both mock and honor that era of music) that was rebellion, that outraged the establishment, that raised the issue of freedom to express one's self (remember the intro to White America...). He is channeling the spirit of an Eddie Cochran, of all the rebels that made rock and roll and outraged mommy and daddy and he congressmen and the powers that be. It is biting social commentary ala Lenny Bruce, as offensive to some now as Bruce was in his time, except Eminem is also a musical genius, incredibly inventive, and one of the most brilliant wordsmiths of our times. (Some JMDLers are going, oh no, he's not saying that again...) We have all heard the false charges that he advocates violence or is homophobic (both charges being ludicrous and given to us by the likes of Mrs Dick Lynne Cheney, expert on rap that she is. But all Em fans know what he has taught, that you love your children above all else, and you set everything aside to love and raise the kids. That he has been sole parent to Hailey, to Kim's niece, to his brother, that he found a way to reconcile with Kim, has made his words more meaningful because it is what he spoke of all along. He has given us a great testament to love that has been missed by so many. He has smashed a lot of racial barriers in music as they have not been smashed other than in some early rock and roll days and dreck circa 1969-70, one reason I love his concerts is because it is the most racially diverse audience I am ever in. He has been outspoken in his opposition to Bush and Bush's war when most people were silent and afraid to speak out. And the music is great, he is funnier than hell, it has a great beat and you dance to it. Vince and his dog Shady ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 00:32:37 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: eminem NJC Bob Muller wrote: >no? > > > Not a lot of us Eminem fans out here in Joniland, Kira - Vince is the most rabid. > Rabid? Me? > But the cool thing about this list is that it's OK to like and dislike what you will. Folks may not agree but we do a pretty good job of respecting the diffs. > We have gotten much better on that regarding rap, that was tough for some, but it is now as you say, which is one reason this community is so great. > All I have is The Eminem Show and I like it; > Buy some more! > I think the guy is incredibly inventive with his language and beats. > > Word. Vince, rabid? Shady my dog says: No! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 02:02:12 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Music For Me Lately - VLJC With the question about the new iPod Hi-Fi I began thinking about what's happened to me over the last couple of months. I am one of those pack-rat music fans that has everything I've ever bought, been given, talked someone out of or trash-picked as far as music goes. LPs, CDs, tapes (yes even those old 8-tracks and reel-to-reels) The corner of my living room is filled with "Peaches" crates and wooden racks. Everything is alphabetized by genre and Goddess don't dare take one out of it's place without putting it back where you got it or you'll lose fingers! (I confess, I'm a little OCD!) Before Christmas my brother, Simon, came to visit and was having trouble with his i-Pod, it needed a new battery and he couldn't keep it playing long. He told me he was planning to get a new 60gig video iPod and he really didn't want to hassle with his old one so he gave it to me. I've now replaced the battery and it works perfectly. So, I got an iPod and I'm converted. I can't imagine life without it. Granted it's only a 10 gigabyte but I've put so much music onto it I can't believe it! I have over 2000 of my favorite songs stored in the memory and when I put it on random play and start a song it's like listening to my own "all the hits all the time". I take it everywhere. I bought a Maxtor 200 gig external hard drive and am planning on eventually converting my entire collection of music to MP3s then re-decorating my living room. No more worrying about whether my son put Led Zeppelin back under "L" or "Z", everything stays where it's put even when being played. I can bring up Joni Mitchell menus and choose by album, song, or "all" and play in random order, what a treat that is for a road trip! I remember when we talked about what 6 CDs we'd put in our players for long journeys and now... hell I can take them all plus covers in the palm of my hand! The iPod came in handy at lunch in NY when Sherelle wasn't sure if she'd heard a particular song and also when I went to Strawberry Fields and had John Lennon's "Legend" playing while I shed a few private tears. So, if you're sitting on the fence about the technology, don't just step over, leap! It's revolutionized my listening habits and the segues (sp?) are sometimes surprising but phenomenal. Warmly, Cassy NP: Dandelion - Ian Moore ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #77 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------