From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #61 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, February 16 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 061 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Army Recruits - VERY NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Army Recruits - VERY NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: That slow Joni Cover... [Jerry Notaro ] RE:Army Recruits - VERY NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Army Recruits - VERY NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Army Recruits - VERY NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] RE: Army Recruits - VERY NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Army Recruits - VERY NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Army Recruits - VERY NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Army Recruits - VERY NJC [Lori Fye ] Re: Army Recruits - VERY NJC [Lori Fye ] Re: That slow Joni Cover... [PassScribe@aol.com] This JUST in!!! [Michael Paz ] George Michaels' Edith ["Lindsay Moon" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #60 [Lady Isadora ] Re: njc the veep shoots, he scores! [JRMCo1@aol.com] Army Recruits - VERY NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Subject: Re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 ["Kate Bennett"] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:07:31 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: Army Recruits - VERY NJC >>There was a significant increase in the number of recruits with what the Army terms "serious criminal misconduct." That category includes aggravated assault, robbery, vehicular manslaughter, receiving stolen property and making terrorist threats, according to Douglas Smith, a spokesman for the Army Recruiting Command.<< Let me get this straight; the US army is recruiting people who are guilty (or are accused, unclear which) of making terrorist threats? Why aren't these people in Guantanamo? How do we think they will behave under fire in Iraq? Will they be an asset or a disadvantage in executing (ha ha) US foreign policy? mike in barcelona np Jacques Brel is alive and well.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:00:38 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Army Recruits - VERY NJC >>> >>There was a significant increase in the number of recruits with what the >>> Army terms "serious criminal misconduct." That category includes aggravated >>> assault, robbery, vehicular manslaughter, receiving stolen property and >>> making terrorist threats, according to Douglas Smith, a spokesman for the >>> Army Recruiting Command.<< > > Let me get this straight; the US army is recruiting people who are guilty (or > are accused, unclear which) of making terrorist threats? Why aren't these > people in Guantanamo? How do we think they will behave under fire in Iraq? > Will they be an asset or a disadvantage in executing (ha ha) US foreign > policy? > > And today, this: > > It cost the federal government just under $364 million to discharge and > replace about 9,500 gay service members during the first decade of the > Pentagon9s 3Don9t Ask, Don9t Tell2 policy. > > Former Clinton administration Defense Secretary William Perry is part of a > 12-member Blue Ribbon Commission studying the cost of the federal 'Don't Ask, > Don't Tell' policy for gays serving in the military. > The figure is 91 percent more than previously estimated, according to a study > conducted by a panel of military experts assembled by the University of > California. > > The 12-member Blue Ribbon Commission that conducted the study was scheduled to > release a report Feb. 14 saying it was unable to obtain certain information > from the Pentagon that likely would have indicated still higher costs. > > 3Our strong sense is that our final estimate is too low and that the net > result is that we have under-reported the total cost of implementing Don9t > Ask, Don9t Tell,92 the report says. > > Among commission members who wrote the report was Clinton administration > Defense Secretary William Perry and Reagan administration assistant Defense > Secretary Lawrence Korb. Others serving on the commission included a retired > Army colonel, a retired admiral and two professors at the U.S. Military > Academy at West Point. > > So they9ll take straight felons, but not dedicated gays and lesbians with > clean records. Makes sense, huh? > > > mike in barcelona > np Jacques Brel is alive and well . > > I remember seeing and hearing Judy Collins sing this in concert as her closer > during the height of the Vietnam War. One of the most emotional moments music > has ever created for me. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:20:21 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: That slow Joni Cover... > Hi, Bob, > My neighbor's son gave me a CD he burned and on it is written, "Iron & > Wine" and "Bloc Party". I figured it was Iron & Wine's album called Bloc > Party. > The number 8 track is this slow version of "Both Sides Now" and it seems to > fit with the previous 7 tracks which are all kind of "easy listening" stuff. I > tried calling the guy to ask about it and there's no answer so I went online > and Googled the names (as you probably did). I found no real connection but > learned that Iron & Wine and Bloc Party are two different groups. > Upon replaying the CD, I realize now that it's Joni's own version of > "Both Sides Now" from her 2000 "Love Story" release (you know, "At Last", > "Comes > Love", etc.) that I haven't listened to since, well... 2001? > I'm sooooo embarassed! > And I thought I finally found a cover you didn't know of. > While searching online, however, I did find a few odd things: > there's a version of "Both Sides Now" by someone called Blossom Dearie. Wally is a big fan of Blossom Dearie, as am I. I've often posted about Danny's in Manhattan, where David Lahm and his wife Judy Kreston perform. Blossom has played there quite often over the years and she is now in her 80's. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:12:26 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE:Army Recruits - VERY NJC Hi Jerry, This is very interesting. I saw a special on L.A. Gang violence and a story of two brothers. One was a gang banger and the other wanted to escape that life. He had joined the Marines and was about to head off to boot camp when someone mistook him for his brother and shot and killed him. Not too long after that the other brother was shot and killed so this mother lost both of her sons. (she was telling the story) I think that even though some people have records, joining the military seems to be their only escape from the vicious cycle of gang violence. I'm not sure what implications this will have for Army recruits who don't have any such backgrounds or records and if their personal safety would ever become an issue but I can definitely see this as a chance for some who would otherwise not be able to, escape their pasts. A lot of pros and cons but something worth thinking about. Sherelle Jerry wrote: I guess the U.S. Army still isn't having any trouble recruiting, huh? Army lowered bar for recruits in '05 1 in 6 given waivers despite backgrounds ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:15:33 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Army Recruits - VERY NJC Hi Sherelle, I have nothing against anyone getting a second chance. Believe me. My point is 1. If so many yahoos, especially those in Washington, support the war, why are we having so much trouble recruiting people to fight it? 2. If convicted felons can fight, why can't gays and lesbians with clean records? 3. While the deficit increases yearly, and recruiting becomes difficult, why is the government spending $364,000,00 to get rid of and replace gays in the military? Respectfully, Jerry > Hi Jerry, > > This is very interesting. I saw a special on L.A. Gang violence and a story > of two brothers. One was a gang banger and the other wanted to escape that > life. He had joined the Marines and was about to head off to boot camp when > someone mistook him for his brother and shot and killed him. Not too long > after that the other brother was shot and killed so this mother lost both of > her sons. (she was telling the story) > > I think that even though some people have records, joining the military > seems to be their only escape from the vicious cycle of gang violence. I'm > not sure what implications this will have for Army recruits who don't have > any such backgrounds or records and if their personal safety would ever > become an issue but I can definitely see this as a chance for some who would > otherwise not be able to, escape their pasts. A lot of pros and cons but > something worth thinking about. > > Sherelle > > > > > Jerry wrote: > > I guess the U.S. Army still isn't having any trouble recruiting, huh? > > Army lowered bar for recruits in '05 > > 1 in 6 given waivers despite backgrounds ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:28:46 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Army Recruits - VERY NJC Hi Jerry, Your points are well made! I think that these issues are being hidden or swept under the rug because they are not something I hear a lot of in the news or in discussions and I apologize for that. To be better informed, can you tell me what is going on with the issue of gay in the military? I honestly did not know that the government was spending dollars to get rid of people or replace them. I wholeheartedly agree that gay and lesbian people with clean records and who want to fight for their country should be given preference over convicted felons. No question. I just didn't know this was going on. It is a double standard for sure! Sherelle >From: Jerry Notaro >To: Sherelle Smith >CC: Joni List >Subject: Re: Army Recruits - VERY NJC >Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:15:33 -0500 > >Hi Sherelle, > >I have nothing against anyone getting a second chance. Believe me. My point >is > >1. If so many yahoos, especially those in Washington, support the war, why >are we having so much trouble recruiting people to fight it? > >2. If convicted felons can fight, why can't gays and lesbians with clean >records? > >3. While the deficit increases yearly, and recruiting becomes difficult, >why >is the government spending $364,000,00 to get rid of and replace gays in >the >military? > >Respectfully, > >Jerry > > > Hi Jerry, > > > > This is very interesting. I saw a special on L.A. Gang violence and a >story > > of two brothers. One was a gang banger and the other wanted to escape >that > > life. He had joined the Marines and was about to head off to boot camp >when > > someone mistook him for his brother and shot and killed him. Not too >long > > after that the other brother was shot and killed so this mother lost >both of > > her sons. (she was telling the story) > > > > I think that even though some people have records, joining the military > > seems to be their only escape from the vicious cycle of gang violence. >I'm > > not sure what implications this will have for Army recruits who don't >have > > any such backgrounds or records and if their personal safety would ever > > become an issue but I can definitely see this as a chance for some who >would > > otherwise not be able to, escape their pasts. A lot of pros and cons but > > something worth thinking about. > > > > Sherelle > > > > > > > > > > Jerry wrote: > > > > I guess the U.S. Army still isn't having any trouble recruiting, huh? > > > > Army lowered bar for recruits in '05 > > > > 1 in 6 given waivers despite backgrounds ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:37:34 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Army Recruits - VERY NJC > Hi Jerry, > > Your points are well made! I think that these issues are being hidden or > swept under the rug because they are not something I hear a lot of in the > news or in discussions and I apologize for that. To be better informed, can > you tell me what is going on with the issue of gay in the military? The Latest: WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 15, 2006 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' costs $364 million New study says government report underestimates costs By LOU CHIBBARO JR. | Feb 14, 10:37 AM It cost the federal government just under $364 million to discharge and replace about 9,500 gay service members during the first decade of the Pentagon9s 3Don9t Ask, Don9t Tell2 policy. Former Clinton administration Defense Secretary William Perry is part of a 12-member Blue Ribbon Commission studying the cost of the federal 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' policy for gays serving in the military. The figure is 91 percent more than previously estimated, according to a study conducted by a panel of military experts assembled by the University of California. The 12-member Blue Ribbon Commission that conducted the study was scheduled to release a report Feb. 14 saying it was unable to obtain certain information from the Pentagon that likely would have indicated still higher costs. 3[O]ur strong sense is that our final estimate is too low and that the net result is that we have under-reported the total cost of implementing Don9t Ask, Don9t Tell,92 the report says. Among commission members who wrote the report was Clinton administration Defense Secretary William Perry and Reagan administration assistant Defense Secretary Lawrence Korb. Others serving on the commission included a retired Army colonel, a retired admiral and two professors at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point. The Government Accountability Office, an arm of Congress, released its own report on the cost of discharging gays under the policy in February 2005. That report concluded that the 3Don9t Ask, Don9t Tell2 policy cost a minimum of $190.5 million for the 10-year period from fiscal year 1994 through fiscal year 2003. No info the GAO Similar to the University of California report, the GAO report said its authors were unable to obtain information from the Defense Department needed to provide a full accounting of the cost for discharging gay service members and training new people to replace them. 3Oversights in GAO9s methodology led to both under and overestimations of the financial costs of implementing Don9t Ask, Don9t Tell,92 the UC report says. 3By correcting these oversights, and after careful analysis of available data, this commission finds that the total cost of implementing Don9t Ask, Don9t Tell9 between fiscal year 1994 and fiscal year 2003 was at least $363.8 million, which is $73.3 million, or 91 percent, more than originally reported by GAO. 3Given that we were not able to include several cost categories in our estimate and that we used conservative assumptions to guide our research,2 the report says, 3our estimate of the cost of implementing Don9t Ask, Don9t Tell9 should be seen as a lower bound estimate.2 President Clinton proposed the 3Don9t Ask, Don9t Tell2 policy in 1993 after it became clear that Congress was poised to overturn his earlier plan to allow gays to serve openly in the military. Congress modified the Clinton proposal and enacted it into law as part of a military authorization bill. It went into effect in 1994. The policy allows gays to serve in the military as long as they do not disclose their sexual orientation, do not engage in 3homosexual conduct,2 and do not enter into a same-sex marriage. Clinton argued that the policy was an improvement over the previous policy that banned gays from serving under all circumstances. But gay activists and a growing number of gay-supportive members of Congress say the 3Don9t Ask, Don9t Tell2 policy remains highly discriminatory. More than 100 members of the House have co-sponsored legislation introduced by Rep. Marty Meehan (D-Mass.) to repeal the policy and allow gays to serve openly. A flaw in the system? According to the UC report, the GAO study was flawed because it focused mostly on the estimated cost for replacing ousted gay service members. The UC report says it based its cost estimates on several criteria, including the cost to the military of the 3lost value2 of the expected full term of each service member discharged prematurely. If a gay service member was discharged shortly before he or she completed their term, the cost to the military would be minimal, the report says. But if the service member were discharged shortly after he or she completed basic and advanced training, the cost would be far higher. The report estimates that 3skills training2 for most enlisted members who are not officers ranges between $15,000 and $30,000 depending on whether they receive 3mid-career2 training. The average estimated cost to recruit and train officers, the report says, comes to about $174,000. In the case of a single, highly trained officer, such as a jet fighter pilot, the training cost could be as high as $1.4 million. Other costs come into play, the report says, such as costs for processing the discharges and costs for investigating service members suspected of violating the policy. Pentagon officials have said that many possibly the majority service members discharged under 3Don9t Ask, Don9t Tell2 voluntarily disclose their sexual orientation to enable them to leave the military before the end of their terms. The Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, which assists gay service members, has said gay service members often seek early discharges to avoid anti-gay harassment or because of stress caused by having to conceal their true identity. The UC report says a large number of gay service members choose not to re-enlist even when they manage to complete their terms without being discovered. 3While it is impossible to know with certainty how many gays and lesbians fail to re-enlist because of Don9t Ask, Don9t Tell,9 [surveys of gay veterans] suggest that the military may be losing some of its investment in recruiting and training individuals who would remain in uniform if the ban were repealed,2 the report says. Lou Chibbaro Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:41:19 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: Army Recruits - VERY NJC >>So they'll take straight felons, but not dedicated gays and lesbians with clean records. Makes sense, huh?<< Hi Jerry, I guess this is a case of 'master identities', or which facet of your personality is more important, your sexuality or your criminality. It seems clear from this policy that homosexuality is a bigger 'crime' than aggravated assault, robbery, vehicular manslaughter, receiving stolen property and making terrorist threats, and therefore homosexuality outweighs all the other elements and is therefore the determining feature of one's personality. If I were a landlord I would prefer an honest homosexual tenant rather than a dishonest 'straight' (sic) one every time. Do they ask people to declare their sexuality/ies when they apply for a gun licence? No? why the hell not? These homosexuals are obviously, on this logic, dangerous. Can't have them going around with guns. There is a rumour that the 'News of the World' (British scandalrag) is going to 'out' some leading soccer players this weekend, regardless of questions of privacy and tangential issues, or even truth. What a crazy world. Then there is the issue of linguistic 'perversion'; i.e. the use of the word 'waiver', normally with positive connotations (think 'wild card', 'exemption' etc) which is now a conscription order, and possibly a death sentence. And given the overwhelming predominance of non-whites in the prisons and the ranks of the criminals in general I guess that makes the decision racist as well as sexist. mike Jerry said: >>I remember seeing and hearing Judy Collins sing 'Jacques Brel is alive and well...' in concert as her closer during the height of the Vietnam War. One of the most emotional moments music has ever created for me.<< Hi Jerry, Do you mean 'Sons of', which I have heard JC sing, or something else from this show? mike in bcn still playing - The Port of Amsterdam - Mort Shuman & Company ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:48:35 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Army Recruits - VERY NJC > Hi Jerry, > Do you mean 'Sons of', which I have heard JC sing, or something else from this > show? > > mike in bcn > still playing - The Port of Amsterdam - Mort Shuman & Company Yes, though I should have been more specific since Judy does many of Brel's songs. Funny Joni never mentions him, as he was a great fan and protigi and songwriter for Piaf. Maybe she really does respect the performer more than the writer (think Billie Holiday), though at the level she admires, including Miles, the performer is also a great creator. I saw the original show at The Village Gate and then the 20th anniversary tour of Jacques Brel directed by Elly Stone. I believe she recently died. There is a new production being mounted in NYC as we speak and I hope to get to see it. I think I've seen it over 20 times over the years. Brel clearly demonstrated the universal power of the song. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:59:57 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Army Recruits - VERY NJC Thanks so much for sharing this Jerry. I was not aware this was going on. I have to agree that this isn't fair at all. Sherelle Jerry wrote: > >The Latest: > > >WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 15, 2006 > >'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' costs $364 million >New study says government >report underestimates costs >By LOU CHIBBARO JR. | Feb 14, 10:37 AM > >It cost the federal government just under $364 million to discharge and >replace about 9,500 gay service members during the first decade of the >Pentagon9s 3Don9t Ask, Don9t Tell2 policy. > > > >Former Clinton administration Defense Secretary William Perry is part of a >12-member Blue Ribbon Commission studying the cost of the federal 'Don't >Ask, Don't Tell' policy for gays serving in the military. >The figure is 91 percent more than previously estimated, according to a >study conducted by a panel of military experts assembled by the University >of California. > >The 12-member Blue Ribbon Commission that conducted the study was scheduled >to release a report Feb. 14 saying it was unable to obtain certain >information from the Pentagon that likely would have indicated still higher >costs. > >3[O]ur strong sense is that our final estimate is too low and that the net >result is that we have under-reported the total cost of implementing Don9t >Ask, Don9t Tell,92 the report says. > >Among commission members who wrote the report was Clinton administration >Defense Secretary William Perry and Reagan administration assistant Defense >Secretary Lawrence Korb. Others serving on the commission included a >retired >Army colonel, a retired admiral and two professors at the U.S. Military >Academy at West Point. > >The Government Accountability Office, an arm of Congress, released its own >report on the cost of discharging gays under the policy in February 2005. >That report concluded that the 3Don9t Ask, Don9t Tell2 policy cost a >minimum >of $190.5 million for the 10-year period from fiscal year 1994 through >fiscal year 2003. > >No info the GAO > > Similar to the University of California report, the GAO report said its >authors were unable to obtain information from the Defense Department >needed >to provide a full accounting of the cost for discharging gay service >members >and training new people to replace them. > >3Oversights in GAO9s methodology led to both under and overestimations of >the financial costs of implementing Don9t Ask, Don9t Tell,92 the UC report >says. 3By correcting these oversights, and after careful analysis of >available data, this commission finds that the total cost of implementing >Don9t Ask, Don9t Tell9 between fiscal year 1994 and fiscal year 2003 was at >least $363.8 million, which is $73.3 million, or 91 percent, more than >originally reported by GAO. > >3Given that we were not able to include several cost categories in our >estimate and that we used conservative assumptions to guide our research,2 >the report says, 3our estimate of the cost of implementing Don9t Ask, >Don9t >Tell9 should be seen as a lower bound estimate.2 > >President Clinton proposed the 3Don9t Ask, Don9t Tell2 policy in 1993 after >it became clear that Congress was poised to overturn his earlier plan to >allow gays to serve openly in the military. > >Congress modified the Clinton proposal and enacted it into law as part of a >military authorization bill. It went into effect in 1994. > >The policy allows gays to serve in the military as long as they do not >disclose their sexual orientation, do not engage in 3homosexual conduct,2 >and do not enter into a same-sex marriage. Clinton argued that the policy >was an improvement over the previous policy that banned gays from serving >under all circumstances. > >But gay activists and a growing number of gay-supportive members of >Congress >say the 3Don9t Ask, Don9t Tell2 policy remains highly discriminatory. More >than 100 members of the House have co-sponsored legislation introduced by >Rep. Marty Meehan (D-Mass.) to repeal the policy and allow gays to serve >openly. > > >A flaw in the system? > > According to the UC report, the GAO study was flawed because it focused >mostly on the estimated cost for replacing ousted gay service members. The >UC report says it based its cost estimates on several criteria, including >the cost to the military of the 3lost value2 of the expected full term of >each service member discharged prematurely. > >If a gay service member was discharged shortly before he or she completed >their term, the cost to the military would be minimal, the report says. But >if the service member were discharged shortly after he or she completed >basic and advanced training, the cost would be far higher. > >The report estimates that 3skills training2 for most enlisted members who >are not officers ranges between $15,000 and $30,000 depending on whether >they receive 3mid-career2 training. The average estimated cost to recruit >and train officers, the report says, comes to about $174,000. In the case >of >a single, highly trained officer, such as a jet fighter pilot, the training >cost could be as high as $1.4 million. > >Other costs come into play, the report says, such as costs for processing >the discharges and costs for investigating service members suspected of >violating the policy. > >Pentagon officials have said that many possibly the majority service >members discharged under 3Don9t Ask, Don9t Tell2 voluntarily disclose their >sexual orientation to enable them to leave the military before the end of >their terms. > >The Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, which assists gay service >members, >has said gay service members often seek early discharges to avoid anti-gay >harassment or because of stress caused by having to conceal their true >identity. > >The UC report says a large number of gay service members choose not to >re-enlist even when they manage to complete their terms without being >discovered. > >3While it is impossible to know with certainty how many gays and lesbians >fail to re-enlist because of Don9t Ask, Don9t Tell,9 [surveys of gay >veterans] suggest that the military may be losing some of its investment in >recruiting and training individuals who would remain in uniform if the ban >were repealed,2 the report says. > >Lou Chibbaro Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:40:59 -0000 From: "JohnMc" Subject: BBC Radio Interviews - Judy Collins and Richie Havens This may be of interest to some. There are a couple of short interviews available online on BBC Radio London, each 10 - 15 minutes length. The first is with Richie Havens who talks amongst other things about his Greenwich Village days and performs a live version of All Along the Watchtower. The second is with Judy Collins who briefly talks about Joni and how she came to record Both Sides Now. The Richie interview begins at about 35 minute into the programme and I think Judy is around the half hour mark. Go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/tv_and_radio/radio/ and on the right hand side, under radio shows listen again, select the Danny Baker show on Monday for Richie and Tuesday for Judy. You can skip the show 5 minutes at a time. Danny Baker is a one off - he intended getting Judy to do a version of Wild Thing but I think they ran out of time. I saw Richie Havens last night and he was in fantastic form - a great concert. Cheers John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:53:56 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc: Rainbow warning system for Cheney attacks - --- Mark Scott wrote: > >>>Feb. 13, 2006 - Homeland Security Secretary > Michael Chertoff announced > >>>today that his department would immediately > implement a "Cheney Alert" > >>>system to warn Americans if an attack by the vice > president is imminent. > >>> > >>>The Department of Homeland Security has been > under pressure to respond to > >>>the widespread panic and anxiety that have > gripped the nation since > >>>Cheney shot and wounded a fellow quail hunter > while on a hunting trip in > >>>Texas over the weekend. I wonder how Dan Quayle feels about this? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:05:20 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #47 Hiya Jahida, glad to hear you're still out there:-) Looking forward to your report and pictures. GARRET Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:42:23 -0800 (PST) From: Jahida Jorganes Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #47 Hello everyone!! I promise I will write my review and post my pictures of the show as soon as I have a moment to breathe. I have been rehearsing and performing for the past 2 weeks nonstop!! I am so exhausted and can't wait until the end of this week because next week is a well-deserved break for me. Peace, Love,and Joni, Jahida P.S. Who would've thought that my hometown of Guttenberg, New Jersey would get more snow than where I now live in Vermont? It's truly comical. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:41:41 -0800 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Army Recruits - VERY NJC Sherelle asked: > To be better informed, can you tell me what is going on with the issue of gay in the military? Sure. Basically very little has changed since "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" was implemented. The only real difference is that, now, when you sign your life away, you aren't asked if you've ever had a homosexual experience. They don't ask, and you don't tell. HOWEVER ... "witch hunts" are still happening, just as they always have. The investigative offices of the military (Criminal Investigation Command, or CID, for the Army; Office of Special Investigations, or OSI, for the Air Force; I don't know the equivalent for the Navy and Marines, or for the Coast Guard) still send their investigators out to try and figure out who's gay, so they can hassle them and make their lives hell and eventually boot them out. Unless of course we're at war, in which case they STILL try to figure out who's gay, but they save that information for later. In other words, they won't kick you out until they're done using you. It's sickening, really. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:33:51 -0800 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Army Recruits - VERY NJC Jerry wrote: > 1. If so many yahoos, especially those in Washington, support the war, why > are we having so much trouble recruiting people to fight it? Because it's mostly just the yahoos in Washington who think this war is such a great idea. I think THEY should go and fight it, or send their own kids and/or grandkids. Don't you? > 2. If convicted felons can fight, why can't gays and lesbians with clean > records? We can. If you're gay and already in the military, and you decide to "tell," you don't get discharged. You stay in, and you fight. Right after the war ends, though (if it ever does), you'll be kicked out on your gay ass, dishonorably if possible. If the DOD isn't allowing professed homosexuals to join its ranks right now (and I'm sure gays and lesbians are just beating down the recruiters doors to join, LOL), it's only a matter of time before they lift that little "obstacle," too. > 3. While the deficit increases yearly, and recruiting becomes difficult, why > is the government spending $364,000,00 to get rid of and replace gays in the > military? Because we're sinners. Don't you know that??? We can't have sinners in the military!! (Nevermind all the adultery that goes on, which is just as illegal, per the Uniform Code of Military Justice, as being homosexual. There's a time-honored phrase that goes like this: "I'm not married. I'm TDY." TDY = temporary duty. A lot of people think it's a pass to screw around on your spouse.) Lori, glad to be out of the USAF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:08:14 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: That slow Joni Cover... In a message dated 2/15/06 8:22:45 AM, notaro@stpt.usf.edu writes: > Wally is a big fan of Blossom Dearie, as am I. I've often posted about > Danny's in Manhattan, where David Lahm and his wife Judy Kreston perform. > Blossom has played there quite often over the years and she is now in her > 80's. > > Jerry > Wow! You learn something new every day! Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:34:50 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: This JUST in!!! Hi Folks Just back from Folk Alliance and I am brain dead and overwhelmed. I am here to tell you there are other people out there that can out do Victor or me or any other late nighter from Joni Fests gone by. Man those people can hang! Anyways I will write you a little report later but right now everybody check out the Jazz Fest line up at http://www.nojazzfest.com/schedule/index04.html And make your plans to come and see me In late April or early May. Love Paz http://www.nojazzfest.com/schedule/index04.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:49:52 -0800 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: George Michaels' Edith Thank you so much, Bob, for making George Michaels' version of Edith and the Kingpin available. It is truly beautiful. My one criticism (maybe too strong a word because it is so good) is that it is so close to the original. Hey, anything that gets her great songs and lyrics out into the world is fine with me. I think GM has a lot of heart in his voice. I'd love to hear Joni's reaction to it. I had another appreciation of her this morning when a song came on called "You're Beautiful." I don't remember who the artist is. He had a perfectly pleasing voice but the lyrics! So stupid! I could have written them in 5 minutes. So predictable and trite. Then later I heard the new duet with Sheryl Crow and Sting. Sheryl Crow has written some good stuff and I used to love Sting and think he's written some great songs, but his more recent "vocal stylizations," if you will, his purposeful slurring of words just to make it sound different, I guess, just annoys the heck out of me. And I was listening to the lyrics thinking what is this song about? First it's about a failed relationship, then it's about butterflies . kids! Kids! You're both former teachers and you couldn't pull a cohesive lyric together?? I'm not saying everything has to be exactly literal but I think Joni at least illustrates moods, colors, impressions of things that even though we don't know precisely what she's talking about, we get a good idea ("you're notches, liberation doll!") I can just hear Joni grumbling in interviews about the lack of talent out there today. And the lack of talent that gets airplay! It just made me appreciate Joni for the many wonderful songs she's written, "Edith ." a case in point. Again, thanks. I know there's music out there to restore my faith. Thanks for coming up with it. Also, Bob, I'd like to say how much I appreciate your smiling face on every single Kodak opening page of the Carnegie Hall pictures. Since your picture is first, it's Bob on a coffee mug, Bob on a calendar, Bob on a T-shirt. Let me tell you, I've ordered every one! ; ) Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:21:44 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Isadora Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #60 JMDL Digest wrote: >Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:29:38 -0800 (PST) >From: Bob Muller >Subject: Re: Winter Lady >Nope Em...different song: >http://www.jonimitchell.com/lyrics/song.cfm?id=WinterLady >Really pretty, too - would have LOTS of covers by now had she >decided to put it on an album. >Bob >NP: Led Zeppelin, "Dazed & Confused" Greetings, fellow Joniacs! (Eeek! Did I really write that?? LOL.) Thought it was way past high time I touched base, since it's been WEEKS since I last posted, and I was just getting to know some of you, too... so thanks again to everyone who wrote me on- or off-list! It's been an extra busy time for me, and I'm horribly behind in reading my accumulation of JMDL digests, none of which I've deleted unread... will keep workin' on catchin' up, if I can... I really do love this list, and will try to post more often again! Meanwhile, I wanted to comment on the above song... I recall hearing a cover of it performed way back when, right here in Des Moines, Surprising Center of the Known Universe (albeit, I hasten to add, the performance was at a hippie coffeehouse, not at a dry cleaners--- though come to think of it, I suppose it's entirely reasonable a Decemberesque Damsel might well be drawn to patronize the former sort of establishment as well at some point, unless she were really very much into handwashing all her undoubtedly handknit funky sweaters, heh )... anyway, this was after "Clouds", as I recall, but before "Ladies of the Canyon"... the young woman performing it credited it to Joni, and I recall liking it and wondering where she'd gotten the song, since it wasn't on one of the albums... perhaps she'd heard it performed, but if so, and only once, she must have had not only a great memory, but total recall! Maybe I've missed something in the discussion, or I missed the recorded cover of someone famous or semi-famous, but how else might this song have become known sans Joni album appearance so that it ended up being performed in the late '60s way out here in Dee Moine, Ioway? Which, BTW, actually had quite a strong hippie scene, believe it or not! Still does, for that matter... :-) Peace & love & hearts & flowers, Dizzy Aura, aka Ms. Aquarius, who happens to be a true winter devotee to a probably very annoying degree so perhaps should consider covering "Winter Lady" as WELL as "Pirate of Penance"? (Was it you, Bob, who "tricked" me when I first joined into agreeing to the latter? ;-) ) NP: *The Electric Prunes Stockholm '67" (I kid ye not-- Fun Album of the Week Award-- DEFINITELY a wyrd conversation piece!) STBP: *Careless Love* by Madeleine Peyroux (who admittedly puts my own occasional fond Hollie Billiday impersonation to shame-- and BTW, anyone, why is Larry Klein on this album? Is the connection personal, or "merely" musical?) http://www.ladyisadora.com - --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:31:18 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: njc the veep shoots, he scores! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "vince" > Guys who hunt, drink. He was probably blitzed. First, the owner of the ranch (a heavy donor to Bush/Cheney) says there was no alcohol. Now, reporter Brit Hume (ironically of Fox News) reveals that Cheney, notorious for being a bald-faced liar, told him he had "a beer" at lunch. Police officers say that is what drunk drivers usually claim when pulled over. "...but nobody was drinking..." Cheney told Hume. Huh? Cheney had two DUI's in the 60's. An article at MSNBC's Website was edited to remove references to alcohol being available before the shooting. The incident was not reported until the day after it happened. Connect the dots. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:20:38 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: njc the veep shoots, he scores! Not to mention the ranch-owner's earlier insistence that there was no alcohol served whatsoever, only "Dr. Pepper." Check this out from the Washington Post on Cheney. Frightening. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI20050411008 7 9.html - -Julius In a message dated 2/15/06 8:56:04 PM, guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "vince" > > Guys who hunt, drink. He was probably blitzed. > > First, the owner of the ranch (a heavy donor to Bush/Cheney) says there was > no alcohol. > Now, reporter Brit Hume (ironically of Fox News) reveals that Cheney, > notorious for being a bald-faced liar, told him he had "a beer" at lunch. > Police officers say that is what drunk drivers usually claim when pulled > over. "...but nobody was drinking..." Cheney told Hume. Huh? > Cheney had two DUI's in the 60's. > An article at MSNBC's Website was edited to remove references to alcohol > being available before the shooting. > The incident was not reported until the day after it happened. > Connect the dots. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:09:42 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Army Recruits - VERY NJC >I guess the U.S. Army still isn't having any trouble recruiting, huh?< Jimmy joined the army 'cause he had no place to go There ain't nobody hirin' 'round here since all the jobs went down to Mexico Reckoned that he'd learn himself a trade maybe see the world Move to the city someday and marry a black haired girl Somebody somewhere had another plan Now he's got a rifle in his hand Rollin' into Baghdad wonderin' how he got this far Just another poor boy off to fight a rich man's war Bobby had an eagle and a flag tattooed on his arm Red white and blue to the bone when he landed in Kandahar Left behind a pretty young wife and a baby girl A stack of overdue bills and went off to save the world Been a year now and he's still there Chasin' ghosts in the thin dry air Meanwhile back at home the finance company took his car Just another poor boy off to fight a rich man's war When will we ever learn When will we ever see We stand up and take our turn And keep tellin' ourselves we're free Ali was the second son of a second son Grew up in Gaza throwing bottles and rocks when the tanks would come Ain't nothin' else to do around here just a game children play Somethin' 'bout livin' in fear all your life makes you hard that way He answered when he got the call Wrapped himself in death and praised Allah A fat man in a new Mercedes drove him to the door Just another poor boy off to fight a rich man's war Steve Earle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:38:07 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 > At that time, to me, she was more than human; a prophetess, a savior, a seer of things that mere mortals usually did not find. Now, have come to the conclusion that Joni Mitchell is a human being and although she was and is blessed with unique gifts by the creator, she is no more special than me, or you, or them. < Right on... Its what she has been writing about all of her life... >Have no idea who she is, what she is, or what she wants from life. < Have you seen her strip tease pole dance act? >One thing is sure, Britney Spears has succeeded in being a superstar of the pop of today and for that I give her credit. Surely wasn't easy and whether or not I, or you, find her music salvageable, lasting, or worthy, the girl made it.< Well I disagree that she made it... Maybe made a lot of $$ for her company & her self but made it in the sense of respect? > As for the cat excuse for not attending the tribute concert I would find that a viable and acceptable excuse but my parents would find not doing anything for the sake of an animal mere folly. < The more I think of this reason, the more I respect joni... Maybe because as the years go by the animals in my life have so much more than ever to teach me... In the end, 'we come for convesation' so thanks for sharing yours mack! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #61 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------