From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #58 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, February 13 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 058 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Thoughts On A Snowy Sunday njc [vince ] Re: Podcasts and Petula (njc) [Smurf ] Re: a few notes on nyc ["Donna Binkley" ] cartoons and flags njc [vince ] njc,interrupting my sorrow ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: cartoons and flags njc [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Joni and Julius go to med school [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Covers 73 - Better late than...whatever [Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Thoughts On A Snowy Sunday njc All fans of Volunteers will want to hear those memories! Mark Scott wrote: > If either of you has any special memories of Grace Slick talking > about 'morning maniac music' and 'It's a new dawn, people' and the > Airplane's set, I would *really* love to read about those as well. > > Peace and Love, > > Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:50:32 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Podcasts and Petula (njc) - --- Sherelle wrote: > I think I remember > hearing Petula sing a song > or two in French though I can't recall exactly where > or when that was. According to her Wikipedia bio (link below), she was living in France and turning out French and British hits before the international fame the runaway success of 'Downtown' brought. One of the French songs I remember hearing her sing when dinosaurs roamed the earth was a version of 'Downtown', which in French sounded more like 'Donton'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petula_Clark - --Smurf Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:38:49 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: a few notes on nyc Dear Garrett, It was so good to finally meet you in NYC. I'm sorry we didn't have more time to talk, though I did talk to Dermott a bit outside Carnegie in the "smoking section" and he is very sweet and interesting to speak with. Hope to meet you both again someday! love db >>> Garret 02/11/06 8:16 AM >>> I won't harp on about the way immgiration officials make you feel like a criminal (when they are not treating you like cattle that is). No no. Focus on the highs. I loved New York. I fell in love with Greenwich and want to live there. The highlight of my few days in Manhattan was sitting in Washington Square drinking tea, with the sun shining down on the dog walkers and chess players and students and speakers. The carnegie tribute was a close second;-) To be in carnegie hall was, in itself, a fantastic experience. The citigroup cafe gathering was fun. It was great to meet so many JMDLers and to put faces to names i have been seeing for over six years now, and to meet people i did not know through the list. It was also great to meet up with those few i have met before. I won't try to recall everyone by name right now. Dermot, my partner, is no Joni fan and sort of finds the whole JMDL thing a bit odd. But, since he's used to indulging my oddities, he agreed to come along and smile for the cameras:-) Despite himself he had fun. I don't even have a partial list of songs played by JMDLers there, but i enjoyed every minute of it with my eight dollar g & t in a wine glass wiht the smallest slice of lime imaginable, lol. I do remember being very impressed by Paz playng guitar, Kay Ashley singing fiddle and drum (Dermot remarked "that's quite political for you, now") and of course our Sherelle. Great. I lvoed the crazy happy cries of "i've played carnegie hall", lol. Well done to all of you guys. On to the main event: I won't comment on every act that performed (i never got one of the sheets detailing the acts actually so can't be sure that iw ould rememebr everything correctly). Sure, I could not do that with as much accuracy or eloquence as those that have already posted on teh topic. Joni's no show did not exactly surprise me. I did *not* like the note however. It struck me as very much along the lines of "Dear teacher, please excuse Joan from gym class....". I would have preferred a simple "i hope ye all enjoy the show tonight". For me, the bigger disappointment was Tracy Chapman, Joan Osbourne, and Bebel Gilberto pulling out beforehand. Absolute highlights - Michelle Williams, Bette what was her name again??? She was absolutely amazing and i want her album.... last chance lost is a song i don't really listen to (i love the TI album and it is the one song i usually skip), loved the fact that Shawn tackled TI, enjoyed SOnya Kitchell, Judy Collins, that raised on robbery guy was fun. I loved God must be a boogie man (afterwards Dermot said "that was really good.... i thought people weren't supposed to like the mingus album", i laughed, he must have heard somehting that i siad about Joni.... for the record i like that album... he was listening to it a few days later so something was achieved, hehe:-) OH MY GOD OH MY GOD seeing Laurie Anderson i almost forgot to breathe. I was disappointed with teh opening. There was some sort of in-key or in-tune problem that i am not talented enough to be abel to describe. Dar Williams did a competent RNH. I thought Ameila by Suzanne Vega was boring. It's a big song and i felt that it was perhaps too spare. My feeling was that she was hanging the whole song around "it was just a false alarm" and then plodding through the rest to get to the next "it was just a false alarm". I love her voice and was expecting something amazing from her. TOm Rush was very good, but, imho, not the big deal that others have made. Richie Havens did not at all do it for me, nor did Jimmy Scott (but gosh,jaysus, if i'm still going at 80... fair play to him) Now, this meshell woman. I thought she was weird. So weird in fact that i ran out and bought her album. I will probably also invest in Jessie Malin's album. Nellie mckay was brave to bring chelsea morning onto piano. I did not think it entirely successful, but i enjoyed it more than many of the learned crowd here did. who did i forget? mmmm Oki, my unstructured rambling is running out of steam.... We never made it to the night in the city event unfortunately. We had planned our route and had also bought tickets to see sonya kitchell at the living room beforehand (and now that i hear a bunch of you guys went to see her i am, as they say, reefing jealous). but, after a heavy day of touristing, we were knackered and went for dinner and a few drinks and, with sore feet, retired to the hotel about one am. I look forward to future gatherings with all you people. A possible FUll Moon fest on the horizn, talk of going to Italy, talk of an England Fest at some unspecified point.... I'll be there. many thanks to Patrick, Julius, Cassy, Les Irvin, and, ofc course, Joni. And to everyone for being so open and friendly. GARRET NP- The National, All The Wine - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:52:28 -0500 From: vince Subject: cartoons and flags njc from today's NY Times Capture the Flag By MARTIN BURCHARTH Published: February 12, 2006 THERE seems to be some surprise that the Danish people and their government are standing behind the Jyllands-Posten newspaper and its decision to publish drawings of the Prophet Muhammad last fall. Aren't Danes supposed to be unusually tolerant and respectful of others? Not entirely. Denmark's reputation as a nation with a long tradition of tolerance toward others -- one solidified by its rescue of Danish Jews from deportation to Nazi concentration camps in 1943 and by the high levels of humanitarian aid it provides today -- is something of a myth. What foreigners have failed to recognize is that we Danes have grown increasingly xenophobic over the years. To my mind, the publication of the cartoons had little to do with generating a debate about self-censorship and freedom of expression. It can be seen only in the context of a climate of pervasive hostility toward anything Muslim in Denmark. There are more than 200,000 Muslims in Denmark, a country with a population of 5.4 million. A few decades ago, Denmark had no Muslims at all. Not surprisingly, Islam has come to be viewed by many as a threat to the survival of Danish culture. For 20 years, Muslims in Denmark have been denied a permit to build mosques in Copenhagen. What's more, there are no Muslim cemeteries in Denmark, which means that the bodies of Muslims who die here have to be flown back to their home countries for proper burial. Recently the minister for cultural affairs, Brian Mikkelsen of the Conservative People's Party, asked scholars, artists and writers to create a canon of Danish art, music, literature and film. The ostensible purpose was to preserve our homegrown classics. But before the release of the canon last month, Mr. Mikkelsen revealed what may have been the real purpose of the exercise: To create a last line of defense against the influence of Islam in Denmark. "In Denmark we have seen the appearance of a parallel society in which minorities practice their own medieval values and undemocratic views," he told fellow conservatives at a party conference last summer. "This is the new front in our cultural war." Were it not that a majority of Danes actually believe in this Islamic threat it would seem to be an outlandish pretext. But they do. When the Danish flag was burned on the streets in Arab countries, the reaction here was outrage and calls for standing even more firmly behind Jyllands-Posten. The center-right government gained support in polls, as did the anti-immigrant Danish People's Party, without which the government would not have a majority in Parliament. Now, the general view, expressed in the press and among a majority of Danes, is that the Muslim leaders who led the protests in Denmark should have their status as citizens examined because they betrayed their fellow Danes by failing to keep the controversy within the country. But the real story is that they and their followers ran out of options. They tried to get Jyllands-Posten to recognize its offense. They tried to enlist the support of the government and the opposition. They asked a local prosecutor to file suit under the country's blasphemy law. And they asked ambassadors in Denmark from Muslim countries to meet with Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen. They were rebuffed on all counts, though a state prosecutor is currently reviewing the case. But, really, what choice did they have? This is not the only example of Denmark's new magical thinking. After the flag burnings, the Danish news media began to refer to the white cross on the flag's red background as a Christian symbol. There was something discordant about this, for we've come to connect the flag less and less to religion. Denmark, after all, is one of the most secular countries in Europe. Only 3 percent of Danes attend church once a week. Still, the news media were right. Up to a point. Legend has it that the flag fell from heaven during a battle between the Danes and the Estonians nearly 800 years ago. It was a sign from God, and it led the Danes to victory. Now that flag has become a symbol around the world of Denmark's contempt for another world religion. Martin Burcharth is the United States correspondent for Information, a Danish newspaper. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:08:38 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc,interrupting my sorrow Vince wrote: > Truth be known, Patti met Mike Krzyzewski , fell in love, and has run off to Durham, North Carolina to bear all his children. Then I could be Patti Duke for real! Ha ha ha! Made me laugh! I needed that. Laughing and crying, you know.... *Actually*, I met Joseph Palis (in the Citigroup Cafe), fell in love, and ran off to Chapel Hill, North Carolina to bear all of HIS children! Patti Palis, doesn't that sound nice! (Hi Joseph! I can still picture your beautiful smile!) Thank you for posting for me, Monsieur le Grand Smurfadelica, and thank you all for your kind expressions of sympathy. I treasure them all, and they do help. It's a warm arrangement. I still want to write about the Tribute, not so much the show itself but all the people, but it will have to be just one little vignette at a time. First, though, I must say MERCI BEAUCOUP to Julius and Patrick for the pre and post festivities. Bon travail! And there were so many of you I did NOT get to meet. Sigh. Garret, Kenny B., and you know..... I figured whomever I did not meet at Carnegie Hall or Seppi's, I would meet the next day, but my trip was cut short a day because of my dad's situation. When Mary and I decided we needed to leave, I did not see anyone in the lobby of the Park Central, so we just started to walk up the street with our heavy luggage (now I know why they call it LUGgage!!!) and even heavier hearts. We were going to grab lunch, hit my numero uno tourist destination of Strawberry Fields to pray for a little peace, and then settle back into the clickety clack. I was sad. But then, soft! What voice hails me from behind? Cassy! Cassy running after us, saying: "Patti! Where are you going?" Cassy, I am so glad you did that! I got to have lunch with you and Donna and Gary Z. and Sherelle and it was so nice. It was the first lunch I have had with all JMDLers and I was humbled and in awe of all the Joni love and knowledge at one little table. I've told you before that before I joined this list, no one in my little corner of the world knew more about Joni than me, but you guys are toooo much! Here I thought I was pretty cool because I had some Joni buttons my son bought me from EBay....ha! Ca n'est rien! We talked of someone who had an embroidered silk LOTC jacket, t-shirts, and you know.... We talked about all kinds of things like divorce and dental health, but it all came down to you (know who)! When I quoted some lyrics to Sherelle at the table ("I'm looking for affection and respect, a little passion, you want stimulation, nothing more, that's what I think....") Sherelle didn't know the song. No problemo, Joniamigo! Cassy whips out her awesome iPOD that has EVERY SINGLE Joni CD on it! She quickly located the song and set Sherelle up with it. I thought that was awesome. And Donna let us store our LUGgage in her room -- that was much appreciated, db! And Gary Z was with us with his beautiful hair and wonderful Joni stories -- about giving her a flower (the name of which I forget). After our bon repas (Croques Monsieur et frites, anyone?) we all hit a little tourist shop which was fun with Donna and Sherelle trying on the statue of liberty foam crowns and Sherelle buying a "Carnegie Hall" sign and most of us buying magnets of Big Yellow Taxis. Then after some goodbye hugs in the lobby (sorry I missed you, Julius!) Mary and Sherelle and I hopped into a big yellow taxi to Strawberry Fields. They were filming a movie at that entrance, so we had to drag the luggage down the street and back to get to the Imagine mosaic. We stopped and rested and reflected and then left a voicemail for Marianne and Bree. (I hope you guys are holding up well. Hugs to you!) Okay, I'm rambling and a little disjointed and racing away here -- not because I just picked up a hitcher, but because I have to pack and get ready for, merde, a tough few days. Tomorrow it's up go the flaps, down go the wheels.... I know everyone goes through this (bless you and your dads, Kakki, Donna, Catherine, Cassy, and you know....) but until you get there yourself, you never really know. My papa's faith was in people, and so is mine. Power to the people! And keep the flames of love and peace burning! What else can we do? With love and heartfelt thanks, Patti P. in CT, where the weather outside is FRIGHTFUL. Thank goodness this didn't happen during the Tribute, eh? 26.9 inches of snow in Central Park! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:23:07 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: cartoons and flags njc Very interesting. Thanks for this, Vince. - -Julius In a message dated 2/12/06 3:56:00 PM, revrvl@comcast.net writes: > from today's NY Times > > Capture the Flag > > By MARTIN BURCHARTH > Published: February 12, 2006 > > THERE seems to be some surprise that the Danish people and their > government are standing behind the Jyllands-Posten newspaper and its > decision to publish drawings of the Prophet Muhammad last fall. Aren't > Danes supposed to be unusually tolerant and respectful of others? > > Not entirely. Denmark's reputation as a nation with a long tradition of > tolerance toward others -- one solidified by its rescue of Danish Jews > from deportation to Nazi concentration camps in 1943 and by the high > levels of humanitarian aid it provides today -- is something of a myth. > > What foreigners have failed to recognize is that we Danes have grown > increasingly xenophobic over the years. To my mind, the publication of > the cartoons had little to do with generating a debate about > self-censorship and freedom of expression. It can be seen only in the > context of a climate of pervasive hostility toward anything Muslim in > Denmark. > > There are more than 200,000 Muslims in Denmark, a country with a > population of 5.4 million. A few decades ago, Denmark had no Muslims at > all. Not surprisingly, Islam has come to be viewed by many as a threat > to the survival of Danish culture. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:36:17 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Julius go to med school In a message dated 2/11/06 5:50:40 AM, LCStanley7@aol.com writes: > >>Ever Your Apt Pupil, > >>Julius > > >Parasympathetic no doubt. Wink, the one-eyed, right-side voluntary blink. > > >Love, > >Laura > A wink and a nod right back at you, Laura dear. If you're calling me "parasympathetic," I'm pretty sure that's one the nicest things anyone's ever said to me. What a beautiful human system...what a cool word! Thanks for my enlivened synapses. The following is an excerpt by Dr. Robin Sands of Stress News: "Let's travel gently into the realms of the Parasympathetic: the home of all relaxing, warm and contented feelings. If the Sympathetic is what we need to be in the world, then the Parasympathetic is what we need to be in Heaven. When it is in control it immediately begins to manufacture a sense of well-being. It brings peace where there was conflict. Like Mother Nature nourishing Her offspring, the Parasympathetic does everything in its power to restore harmony and equilibrium. As it relaxes muscles, blood vessels and internal organs, so the flow of all body fluids becomes easier, smoother, fuller. The intestines expand and the peristalsis (those gurgles of digestion) begins to process the waste products that the Sympathetic has created. It slows the heartbeat and deepens and softens breathing. It calms and changes the brain's waves and patterns, bringing the quieter, more expansive states of mind that are so conducive to imagination and creative thinking. Slowly, under the right conditions, the Parasympathetic ensures that everything falls or clicks back into place. Everywhere that has been overstretched gets pulled back into line. Everything that has been contracted, begins to expand. And this expansion is experienced as pleasure. A really good night's sleep is a perfect example. As unusual as it might be for most of us, waking up feeling refreshed from a thoroughly pleasant night's sleep is solely the work of the Parasympathetic." Sweet dreams, Laura and all in JMDL-land. :-) - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:56:37 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Covers 73 - Better late than...whatever Excellent, Bob. The highlight for me is George Michael's Edith and The Kingpin. So mellow yet with definite feeling. I hope he puts this on his next album. Second highlight is Judy Collins doing That Song About The Midway. I still like Bonnie Rait's version best though. Thanks for another great collection. Mark in Sydney NP Black Crow - Steely Dan ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #58 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------