From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #50 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, February 9 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 050 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Better Than Joni??!?!?!? [Box of Paints ] Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #48 [karen ] Let history repeat itself... [JRMCo1@aol.com] BitTorrent [Box of Paints ] njc: mohammed cartoons [Jennifer Faulkner ] njC cohen interview on CBC ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: Jack Robinson [LCStanley7@aol.com] The Wembley Concert Vine [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Joni and Neil [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Jack Robinson [RoseMJoy@aol.com] jonimitchell.com review of the olde towne folk school benefit ["patrick l] RE: Sonya Kitchell, first impression, njc - now norah jones, the living room, etc. ["patrick leader" ] Re: Chicago story [Bobsart48@aol.com] Obligatory Award Show Rant njc [Randy Remote ] Re: Obligatory Award Show Rant njc [vince ] RE: Sonya Kitchell, first impression, njc - now norah jones, the living room, etc. [J Kendel Johnson Subject: Better Than Joni??!?!?!? I'm up watching this prog about music on television I just heard this segment about The Sex Pistols and when they first appeared on UK TV which was on a programme called' Revolver' which only broadcast to the Northwest... it caused a stir despite only being seen by a limited number of people but it was championed by people who didn't like 'The Old Grey Whistle Test'. Not sure why but the female presenter of 'Revolver' said That was The Sex Pistols... they were better than Joni Mitchell....' Can't undertand that... Much Joni Jamie Z - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 20:21:27 -0500 From: karen Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #48 So this was in 98, six years ago. When was Joni9s last concert? Is there any hope that she will perform ever again, or no? I think I know the answer ... best,karen On 2/8/06 7:58 PM, "vince" wrote: > > > karen wrote: >> >> I heard it was a benefit for the Olde Towne Folk School, which had just >> undergone a significant renovation or rebirth or new building or something, >> at that time. >> >> best,karen >> > >> >> >> > In the Beginning > > The > Old Town School of Folk Music opened in December of 1957 with its first > home at 333 North Avenue. The first five years of the School9s history > mirrored the boom in folk music at that time. Enrollment grew and > programs expanded. Over 150 students attended guitar and banjo classes > on a weekly basis. Folk dancing, and family sing-alongs rounded out the > programming. The School also offered concerts by nationally renowned > artists. Pete Seeger, Mahalia Jackson, Jimmy Driftwood, Big Bill > Broonzy, and Josh White were just some of the many folk music artists > who performed at the Old Town School in its early years. > > > > 1960s > > The > School continued to grow, contributing to and benefiting from the folk > revival movement of the 1960s. The School developed a special > atmosphere of community and camaraderie, and helped to launch some of > the brightest artists on the folk music scene: Roger McGuinn of the > Byrds, Bob Gibson, John Prine, Bonnie Koloc, and the late Steve Goodman > all studied at the Old Town School. In 1968, the School purchased and > moved into a 13,000 square foot building at 909 West Armitage Avenue. > > > > 1970s > > In > the early 1970s the School introduced private instruction in a variety > of instruments, a more high-profile concert schedule, and the opening > of satellite locations. Enrollment peaked in 1975 with over 650 > students attending classes each week. > > > > 1980s > > The > late 70s marked a decline in enrollment, concert attendance, and the > beginning of a severe financial crisis that left the School on the > brink of bankruptcy. In 1982, the School's staff and Board began a > broad series of institutional changes that increased management > effectiveness, placed a higher emphasis on fundraising, and expanded > the scope of programming to include ethnic and traditional music from > around the world. Solvent, the School rebounded. By 1987 the School was > able to renovate the Armitage Avenue facility, a renovation that > contributed to a surge in the School's popularity. That same year the > School won the prestigious Beatrice Foundation Award for Excellence. > > > > > > 1990s and beyond > > In > the early 1990s, the School recognized the need for additional space > and began to explore options. Coincidentally, at about the same time > the City of Chicago approached the Old Town School and other cultural > institutions about the former Hild Library, an art deco builiding that > had stood vacant for twelve years. The 43,000 square foot building was > situated on North Lincoln Avenue in Lincoln Square, one of Chicago9s > most culturally diverse neighborhoods. Chosen by the city as the > preferred recipient, the School began planning and soliciting support > to expand operations to the new facility in late 1994. > > > > With funds raised from a $10 million capital campaign, the School > expanded its programs to the much larger Lincoln Avenue facility, and > maintained its music education programs at the Armitage building in > Lincoln Park. The new Old Town School building was dedicated on > September 18, 1998, with a concert by Joni Mitchell and Peter Yarrow. > The new facility, the finest in North America for the study and > presentation of folk and traditional music forms, dramatically raised > the School's profile and garnered national praise and recognition. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:24:03 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Let history repeat itself... Hi. Here's "Entertainment History Highlights!" ...from "Yahoo!.com." Read it and weep.: 1970: Joni Mitchell announced her retirement from live performances. The singer was back doing shows within the year. - -------- Sniffle. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 01:24:54 +0000 From: Box of Paints Subject: BitTorrent Anyone got any Joni-related content on bit torrent as all? Jamie Z - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:29:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Faulkner Subject: njc: mohammed cartoons so what does everyone think of this controversy? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:51:20 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Re: concert comparisons, njc I wasn't at the TNT taping but I have an audience recording of that night. (Thanks, Simon.) According to the Chronology http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/details.cfm?id=1736 it was held on April 6, 2000 in the Hammerstein Ballroom. The sound in the audience (as recorded on really good mics onto DAT) was good. Every syllable is clearly audible. (I think that's the tape where I can hear ice sliding in a cup, towards someone's face. A second later, I can hear the ice slide back to the bottom of the cup.) Judging from the recording, there was very little cut. I recall they cut about 2 seconds when Laurence Fishburne was introducing Cassandra Wilson. In Simon's tape, he said something like, "Joni's relentless exploration led inevitably to Jazz. (pause) That's right. To Jazz." For broadcast, they cut out the pause and the last four words. That's all that sticks in my mind anyway. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu now playing in the other room: The Grammy Awards show Bob S. said in part >I was not at the TNT concert, even though I worked right across the treet - wasn't on the JMDL, so didn't know the story. Of course, I saw it on TV and taped it for multiple future viewings/listenings. How was the sound that night ? How long did it last start to finish ? How much was cut from the TV show ? How many other listers were there ? Who ?> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:59:30 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #48 - --- karen wrote: > So this was in 98, six years ago. > When was Joni9s last concert? June 2, 2000 at the E-center in Camden NJ (across the Delaware River from Philly) I was in the second row in the pit, closest that I ever was for a Joni show!!! > Is there any hope that she will perform ever again, or no? > I think I know the answer ... I think you know the answer too :-( Pass the tissue box, please And welcome to the list Karen! Brian in south jersey I've looked at love from both sides now From give and take, and still somehow It's love's illusions I recall I really don't know love at all --Joan, with the wisdom of the ages Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 02:47:53 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: njC cohen interview on CBC So did anyone catch the Cohen interview? It was great! He spoke of the genesis of some of his newly inducted songs, including Bird on a Wire and Suzanne. Bird on a Wire dates from his time in Greece, where he witnessed the electrification of the town he was living in. He initially freaked out because the wires were obscuring the pristine view. Then he noticed that birds began using the wires as a perch - and this was a good thing - fodder, it turns out, for classic song material. Suzanne was inspired by a woman named Suzanne Vaillancourt, who at the time was married to the Quebecois sculptor, Armand Vaillancourt. It was a love that was not meant to be. Indeed she fed him tea and oranges... As you may have heard, Cohen's life savings have recently been pillaged by his manager. He is now with Sam Feldman, who is also Joni's manager. He has new projects in the works, incliuding a new cd and a book of illustrated poems. In the interview he came across as ever so humble. Also, he is not a Buddhist, but a Jew. His Buddism on the mountain trip was in fact a development that happened so that he could get closer to his spirit Master. He remains a committed Jew, and spoke fondly of his relationship with the Montreal poet, Irving Layton. Some random impressions for you. Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:55:13 -0500 From: Sharon G Subject: delurking for suzanne vega i really didnt think that i would delurk this quickly, but i find a need to straighten out some of the suzanne vega information. i actually have been reading the list on and off and off and on for a while and join and stopped and started again leading up to the Carnegie Hall Tribute. I was there and i have to say...i feel like i know some of you, or at least i have met some of you after the tribute.... first off.... i really like shawn colvin's outfit.. Norah Jones played the livingroom and a small 200 seater on the upper west side called Makor alot when she was breaking out. its is not uncommon for her to show up and work on new material. She is a member of a new band called the Little Willies who play not only willie nelson music but also hank williams and texas honky tonk suzanne vega was not escorted to the CHT with Lou Reed. Lou Reed is married to Laurie Anderson. Many years ago, Suzanne used to say in concert that "she wanted to be lou reed" or she wished she was lou reed... dont ask me what she meant by it but it brought Lou into her sphere. THey are close friends. He shows up at all her NYC shows... i know , he sat behind me in October and he always sees her after the show....the new york songwriter crowd is a small world and they all have overlapping managers, producers, players etc.. it really hasnt changed much... suzanne has had the same share of grief as many of us, she lost her brother prematurely and suddenly and she and her producer husband Michael Froom broke up..... If you listen to her last cd... Songs from Red and Grey....its all about her decaying marriage...its a classic painful cd.. her music has gone through many changes since Luka and Solitude Standing... she has tried all sorts of genres too.. Suzanne is known to be painfully shy but she is ungrateful or refusing of fans... i never seen her to refuse a picture or a signature.. i thought her Amelia was one of the best versions i have heard, she applied her style to the song and actually i thought she was made to sing it... she made me believe it... and understand it... so it resonated with me.. suzanne has more in common to joni mitchell than most songwriters. she is a paint artist, poet and songwriter.. glad you all had a good time in NYC.. i am grateful every day that i get to live in this playground.. i rode the subway with Joe from NC who was going to williamsburg and i hope he got home safely... sharon - -- Cuz things could be better, cuz things could be worse Cuz life can be charmed and cursed There's fast, slow and stall, no reverse There's nothing wrong with you The simple life gets complicated There's nothing you can do, just enjoy the view be glad you made it marychapin carpenter "sage advisor, does weary mean wiser?" dar williams ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:25:07 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Jack Robinson Rosie wrote: If anyone is interested to own one, please do not hesitate to contact Dan Oppenheimer at the Jack Robinson Gallery in Memphis, TN. Hi Rosie, Holy shot, Memphis is just down the street from Little Rock. Might be a good road trip if this gallery has the photos. BTW listas... all this NYC stuff is really blowing me away. Like the photo of Ashara with Amy Grant. I know Amy's cousin Sloan Burton... Burton Grant was their grandfather maybe great. Anyway, Amy is looks so much like Sloan in the picture, it tripped me out. All that talk about seeing Sonya standing outside a hotel and Norah coming through the curtains... Wow. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 00:02:47 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: The Wembley Concert Vine Just to let you all know the copy I have is going to Mark-Leon in Australia; shipping out Thursday. He says his brother may be able to convert it so that USA fans will be able to view it on their TV/DVD (Mark... if that happens, I will be SO grateful!); even if that doesn't happen, he will make PAL copies and/or copies to be viewed on computers as it originally was supposed to be (although I could not view the copy I had on my Mac G4 nor two friends' PC's). Kenny B (Having Night In The City Withdrawal Syndrome... I need another FIX...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 00:15:25 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Neil Karen asked (and I will reply with my limited knowledge) "I understand that Elliott no longer manages Joni, but I thought he did so for a long time? Am I wrong about that? " Perfectly correct. I believe he managed Joni first, and got her hooked up with his friend/business associate David Geffen. This was in the 60's - circa '68. Do you have the PBS "American Masters" DVD "Woman of Heart and Mind" ? Great piece to have if you want to get a feel for Joni's life. No real Neil footage to speak of, though. I think Neil liked Joni - at The Last Waltz, I thought he was chasing her while she was chasing Robbie Robertson. "Also, Joel Bernstein, who also works for Neil, has a Joni connection, does he not? Joel is currently Neil's archivist, but I know he took some of Joni's album cover photos (the ice skating one, maybe?)" I think he's Joni's archivist also - long time relationship, and chronicler of her many open tunings and arrangements. He's quite the guy. "Also, speaking of my psychotic Neil Worship, how could I have not said that "Circle Game" was my favorite song. Written about Neil, right? In response to Sugar Mountain. : ) " Yes, that's the story Joni tells on at least one of her bootlegs - Second Frets ? The polio thing, the Canadian prarie thing, commonality that shows up in their art. "Do you all know Neil's (unrecorded) song "Sweet Joni (from Saskatoon)" ? " By Neil Young ("Baying at the Moon"). Yes, we have it on one or two of our compilation CD's. I suggest that you take up Bob Muller on any offer he makes you in this regard (I think he's made one already, eh ?) My following of Neil was limited to a couple of his electric albums with Crazy Horse (you know, Cowgirl and Southern Man - classics) and the CSN&Y collaboration Deja Vu and Harvest records, but I really don't have much more than that, except the Rust Never Sleeps DVD, which I bought recently and have watched once or twice while on the treadmill - will watch it properly soon. Interesting - but no Shadows and Light :-) Now that's a DVD from that era ! Oh, and nice job by Neil on harmonica on 'Furry Sings the Blues' ! "And ... Do you all know the story about when Joni performed in Chicago for a benefit for the re-opening of the Olde Towne Folk School? Five or six years ago, I think? Good story, I'll tell you if you don't know it, but you probably already do." The others here probably do, but I don't (and would like to hear it, if you'll tell it, Karen). Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 00:16:39 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Jack Robinson Hell, if I were that close I would go just to see his exhibit. I don't know how many of Joni are on display there. You may want to call ahead of time to see. Julius brought to my attention the photos he took of Julius's home town of San Antonio, and there is this photo of the Rose Window that I would love to see. It makes you want to visit some of these places. The man traveled a great deal. Rosie sad that Bruce had yet another Grammy disappointment, but he did win for best solo rock vocal:o) yeah, bring 'em on home;~) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 00:20:47 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: jonimitchell.com review of the olde towne folk school benefit brian, thanks for digging this out. it's a wonderful piece of writing. doug stapleton ("wolfebite") was an attendee at the very first jonifest, in pittsburgh, including the field trip to fallingwater. one of my favorite people on the list, though i haven't heard from him in a while. patrick np - kcrwmusic.com late night house music. http://jonimitchell.com/chronology/details.cfm?id=1706 Doug Stapleton reported on the event for JM.com: Review by Doug Stapleton Your adventurous reporter here- bringing you the latest on all things JONI. I went with no expectations. My hope was to hang around back behind the theater for some sound seepage through the windows. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 00:20:46 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Sonya Kitchell, first impression, njc - now norah jones, the living room, etc. j probably meant norah's stepfather. though ravi shankar is her father, she wasn't raised by him. according to wikipedia, she lived in dallas with her mother from the age of four, changed her name from shankar when she was sixteen, and has a 'troubled relationship' with him. someone alluded to the fact that it wouldn't be surprising to see norah jones at nyc's the living room, which is true, as she played there a lot before she got famous, and a little bit after she did. in another living room-norah-jmdl connection, the members of strings, kay, les irvin and i heard jesse harris (who wrote three songs on jones debut album) and his band play at the living room in the summer of 2004. with bill frisell sitting in on guitar. sweet! harris' buzz was kind of high at the time, because of the norah jones connection. patrick np - kcrwmusic.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Randy Remote Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 3:42 PM To: J Kendel Johnson; Joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Sonya Kitchell, first impression, njc > Oh, and did I mention that I attended the same high school in Lawton, > Oklahoma as Nora's mother, Sue -- and that Sue had come to Dallas on a job > hunting visit from Lawton the day she met Nora's father? Interesting. Her father, of course, is Ravi Shankar. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 00:34:27 -0500 From: karen Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #48 Thanks, everyone for answering all my questions. Neil Young and Joni are clearly connected, that's cool, I think, gosh Joel Bernstein has like the best freaking job in the world, does he not? Neil and Joni's archivist/photographer/etc??? I think he lives on Neil's ranch. He is The Fan Who Crossed Over! : ) Don't worry, I won't try to sneak Neil into every conversation. I have another question. Do you guys have a website for tabs for Joni's songs? For guitar. (I know she plays other things.) ... I am a relatively new player (a couple of years), and I know a couple of Joni tunes (mostly Neil, uh oh, there I go again, heh), but would love to play more. Next Carnegie Hall Music of Joni Mitchell Show: The All JMDL List Fan Tribute to Joni! : ) Thanks again, bestkaren On 2/8/06 8:59 PM, "Brian Gross" wrote: > --- karen wrote: > >> So this was in 98, six years ago. >> When was Joni9s last concert? > > June 2, 2000 at the E-center in Camden NJ (across the Delaware River from > Philly) I was in the second row in the pit, closest that I ever was for a Joni > show!!! > >> Is there any hope that she will perform ever again, or no? >> I think I know the answer ... > > I think you know the answer too :-( > Pass the tissue box, please > And welcome to the list Karen! > > > Brian in south jersey > > > > I've looked at love from both sides now > From give and take, and still somehow > It's love's illusions I recall > I really don't know love at all > > --Joan, with the wisdom of the ages > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 00:31:56 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Chicago story karen told the story (thanks Karen), then asked "Would you be so mortified if it was you who had yawned ? ! ? Incredible that she is still that sensitive after all these years, after all her incredible success. Whoa. She's intense. Love her.. : )" Yes, I would "turn to stone" ! Imagine this - you get up 6 or 8 or 10 or 12 hours before Joni, have a drink at dinner, a yawn comes on - maybe you're accompanying a JMDLer but you're not one yourself - and then BOOM from the lady in the prime of her night. Yeah, Susan Lacy (Ms. American Masters) described Joni as "a tough lady". Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 22:12:00 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Obligatory Award Show Rant njc re: 48th annual Grammy Awards I'm still in shock from the travesty of seeing Kelly Clarkson win out over Fiona Apple*, Sheryl Crow, Gwen Stefani and Paul McCartney. Hell in a bucket. Madonna is the hottest 47 year old on this jumpin' green sphere. Alicia Keys looked so hot. Oh...uh...the music, yeah.. Actually, this was far from the worst grammy show ever, or I'm just getting old and less cranky. Coldplay, boring U2 copy. Sugarland, passable. McCartney, not half bad for an old guy...great singing on Helter Skelter. I find "Fine Line" a bit of a snooze. U2, you're starting to grow on me. Is there an ointment for that? Faith Hill/John Legend/Kelly Clarkson...I'm running to the fridge for a mayonnaise on white bread sandwich. Bruce-excellent Dylan imitation. Cutest couple: Sting and Sheryl Crow Christina Aguliera with Herbie Hancock: more dueling solo egos than collaboration. Kind of painful. 2nd cutest couple: Bonnie Raitt and James Taylor. I think his hairline is receeding, though. Sly Stone, the legend appears. Nobody's seen this guy for 30 years. Kids, don't do drugs. Best performance of the night: tie: U2 / New Orleans jam. Irma Thomas, you rock. *Fiona Apple fans: she'll be on Leno this Fri the 10th, and on the Craig Ferguson show the 16th ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 02:03:32 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Obligatory Award Show Rant njc my annual unwelcome response :-) Randy Remote wrote: >re: 48th annual Grammy Awards >I'm still in shock from the travesty of seeing Kelly Clarkson win out over Fiona Apple*, Sheryl Crow, Gwen Stefani and Paul McCartney. Hell in a bucket. > On reputation, yes, but Kelly Clarkson shocked everyone by earning this victory - a great triumph of a true artist (who knew? who suspected?) emerging from unlikely places to best the big names > >Actually, this was far from the worst grammy show ever, or I'm just getting old and less cranky. > Hmmmmm...... >Coldplay, boring U2 copy. > You are being very kind to Coldplay, very kind. Not on the show, I don't believe: the next President of the United States, Senator Barack Obama, won a grammy for best spoken word, beating out George Carlin, Sean Penn, Garrison Keillor, and Al Franken. I was not so impressed with all the U2 wins but Record of the Year clearly was Boulevard Of Broken Dreams by Green Day and it won so I'm happy. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 23:33:44 -0800 (PST) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: RE: Sonya Kitchell, first impression, njc - now norah jones, the living room, etc. Sorry, wasn't trying to be cryptic or confusing. I was indeed talking about the first meeting of Sue Jones and Nora's biological father, Ravi Shankar, in Dallas. J patrick leader wrote: j probably meant norah's stepfather. though ravi shankar is her father, she wasn't raised by him. according to wikipedia, she lived in dallas with her mother from the age of four, changed her name from shankar when she was sixteen, and has a 'troubled relationship' with him. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #50 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------