From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #24 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, January 23 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 024 Win a free VIP ticket to Carnegie Hall! details: jmdl.com/winvip.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- JoniMitchell.com [Mark-Leon Thorne ] New site! [Patti Witten ] Re: Shitting on her fans?! [Blair Fraipont ] Re: Shitting on her fans?! [Blair Fraipont ] Re: Fuss Fuss and More Fuss ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] COUNTDOWN [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: New site! [RoseMJoy@aol.com] James Taylor Tribute/Benefit in LA njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: njc, an affectionate jab at Smurf & Go Huskies! [Bob Muller ] Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #23 ["casperjoni" ] Re: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman ["mack watson-bush" <] Magnets njc [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Joni Tribute JMDL Pre-Show Reception!!! [JLoehr4988@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #23 ["Michael Flaherty" ] Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman ["Michael Flaherty" ] Why is Joni so negative sometimes? [paintedpage@aol.com] Re: Brokeback Mountain njc (contains possible spoiler) ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman [Debra Shea ] Joni tribute CD: resurrected? ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: Was Shitting/Now NJC ["Donna Binkley" ] Joni being a no show [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Shitting on her fans?! ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Giving Bruce Springsteen His Due, Njc [Bob Muller ] Re: Giving Bruce Springsteen His Due, now Joni content [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman ["mack watson-bush" ] Can you PLEASE take the bickering to another forum??!! [Wes ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:57:17 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: JoniMitchell.com Hello all. I was expecting a grand announcement when the new website was up but, it's up now and I can break my silence. I was sworn to secrecy until the new site was available because I have been made one of the administrators. It is a great honour and priveledge to be the administrator of the wallpapers section of jonimitchell.com. Thank you, Les. For all those who have enjoyed my wallpapers and for those who missed any, they are available to download from jonimitchell.com/wallpaper. So now I am calling for those creative people who would like to or who have created Joni themed wallpapers to e-mail them directly to me (there is also a link on the site). If they meet the criteria, they will be displayed and made available for others to download. They need to be in .jpg format and a resolution of 1224 X 768 pixels and be Joni related. Congratulations to all the administrators of the new JoniMitchell.com Especially Les. Mark in Sydney NP 19 - Paul Hardcastle PS Don't forget to check out Les' fine wallpapers too. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:18:01 -0500 From: Patti Witten Subject: New site! The new site is beautiful! Thanks to everyone for doing such a great job! xxoo Patti - -- http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:58:38 -0500 From: Blair Fraipont Subject: Re: Shitting on her fans?! I must add: Joni will NEVER cease to receive praise. If anything as time passes and the next generation reaches the adult age more people are being exposed (even if a little) to Joni's music and artistry. Also, hasn't Joni given us enough with what she has produced, written and performed? Though, I wouldn't mind a new album, a tour, a chance meeting one day in New York..or in southern Delaware. Blair NP: So Young---Elvis Costello---Get Happy Bonus Disc On 1/21/06, frednow@aol.com wrote: > > I've hardly had a chance to keep up with the list for awhile now, for > which I apologize. The Carnegie thing caught my attention; good luck to > all who are performing, sorry I can't be there to share the fun. > > However, the following post from Mack did catch my eye, and I felt > compelled to respond. > > "Shitting on her fans"?! Just because she can't attend? And this makes > her lyrics "hypocritical"? Say what?! > > I'm sorry, this attitude really crosses the line for me. In the first > place, who the hell knows her life, how she is, what she's doing, etc? > How can anyone presume that she "owes" her fans her presence at this > one particular event? > > Secondly, why on earth would Joni want to come in order to appease > fans with an attitude like this? > > Sorry for the rant. > > - Fred > > > "mack watson-bush" wrote: > Subject: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman > > Now why would anyone want to go to Carnegie Hall and be lavished with > praise? Why would anyone want to be the guest of honor at such an > event and > meet persons that admire them? I can't imagine. Bad form Joni. Makes > much of her words in her music rather hypocritical. Then again, her > right > not to go. Some day there will be no praise and what will she do then? > I > suppose at that time we will find out how secure she is in her flesh. > For > all her protestations and proclamations to/about others she crosses > the line > when shitting on her fans. And just for the record she has put out some > crappy music, along with the great work. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:00:10 -0500 From: Blair Fraipont Subject: Re: Shitting on her fans?! What I meant to say was .... she will continue to receive even more praise.... Gosh.. I really need to stop drooling when I type and concentrate on completing my sentences. Sorry. Again. Blair On 1/22/06, Blair Fraipont wrote: > > I must add: Joni will NEVER cease to receive praise. If anything as > time passes and the next generation reaches the adult age more people are > being exposed (even if a little) to Joni's music and artistry. > > Also, hasn't Joni given us enough with what she has produced, written and > performed? > > Though, I wouldn't mind a new album, a tour, a chance meeting one day in > New York..or in southern Delaware. > > Blair > > NP: So Young---Elvis Costello---Get Happy Bonus Disc > > > > > > On 1/21/06, frednow@aol.com wrote: > > > > I've hardly had a chance to keep up with the list for awhile now, for > > which I apologize. The Carnegie thing caught my attention; good luck to > > all who are performing, sorry I can't be there to share the fun. > > > > However, the following post from Mack did catch my eye, and I felt > > compelled to respond. > > > > "Shitting on her fans"?! Just because she can't attend? And this makes > > her lyrics "hypocritical"? Say what?! > > > > I'm sorry, this attitude really crosses the line for me. In the first > > place, who the hell knows her life, how she is, what she's doing, etc? > > How can anyone presume that she "owes" her fans her presence at this > > one particular event? > > > > Secondly, why on earth would Joni want to come in order to appease > > fans with an attitude like this? > > > > Sorry for the rant. > > > > - Fred > > > > > > "mack watson-bush" < mackwatsonbush@charter.net> wrote: > > Subject: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman > > > > Now why would anyone want to go to Carnegie Hall and be lavished with > > praise? Why would anyone want to be the guest of honor at such an > > event and > > meet persons that admire them? I can't imagine. Bad form Joni. Makes > > much of her words in her music rather hypocritical. Then again, her > > right > > not to go. Some day there will be no praise and what will she do then? > > I > > suppose at that time we will find out how secure she is in her flesh. > > For > > all her protestations and proclamations to/about others she crosses > > the line > > when shitting on her fans. And just for the record she has put out some > > crappy music, along with the great work. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:22:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Fuss Fuss and More Fuss Paul wrote: > I have to agree with Gerald's idea about smoking. Joni always seems to > have > her nicotine sources close by, and I wonder if Carnegie Hall just wouldn't > allow an exception for her. (By the way, is it still legal to smoke in > designated hotel rooms in NYC?) No. Nor in the lobby, nor the bars, or the restaurants. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:48:51 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: COUNTDOWN 11 DAYS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:54:11 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: New site! wow, it's quite a change.....very nice, the only thing is when you click on home, there are no pics, only red x's ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:02:30 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: James Taylor Tribute/Benefit in LA njc Lineup set for MusiCares benefit LOS ANGELES, Jan. 21 (UPI) -- Bruce Springsteen, the Dixie Chicks, Paul Simon and Sting will pay tribute to James Taylor at the 2006 MusiCares Person of the Year gala in Los Angeles. The Recording Academy holds the concert and auction each year during Grammy Week to benefit individuals involved in the music industry. Taylor -- also performing during the event -- was chosen as the 2006 honoree for his musical achievements and philanthropic commitment to arts, environmental and humanitarian causes, Daily Variety said Saturday. Also scheduled to perform are India.Arie, Jackson Browne, David Crosby, Dr. John, Carole King, Alison Krauss, Taj Mahal, Randy Newman and Bonnie Raitt. MusiCares has been raising $2 million to replace instruments lost by musicians in Hurricane Katrina ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 06:05:01 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: njc, an affectionate jab at Smurf & Go Huskies! Yes indeed, Patti! Her Tar Heels may not give her something to cheer about every game this season, but to have the arrogant Duke-snobs get taken down a peg is sweet. (Of course I don't mention that my Wolfpack is ranked higher than the Heels). Bob NP: Green Day, "King For A Day" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:30:14 EST From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Re: Shitting on her fans?! Hey Mack...I'm afraid you don't have the power to make her not Joni Mitchell,,,GET A GRIP!!! Jonily yours, Warren Keith P.S. Sometimes you folks really amaze me... "mack watson-bush" writes < --Hmm. Without her fans she would not be Joni Mitchell, would she? She'd just be another lonely painter living who knows where.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:35:02 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: New Website Cool! The new website is excellent. It's well organised and easy to use. Congratulations to everyone involved. I encountered just one problem. When trying to access the photographs I got this message:- viewing 0/30. browse search results: Hey Mack...I'm afraid you don't have the power to make her not Joni > Mitchell,,,GET A GRIP!!! > > Jonily yours, > Warren Keith > > P.S. Sometimes you folks really amaze me... > > > "mack watson-bush" writes > > < --Hmm. Without her fans she would not be Joni Mitchell, would she? > She'd > just be another lonely painter living who knows where.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:31:35 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Attracted to you....njc Wow, Julius, quelle coincidence that both of your care packages included magnets! You must have a magnetic personality! That is cool that you are going to collect them now. They will remind you of Joni friends and kin, campers in the kitchen. And in my full-blown JMOCD, I must point out the deeeeeeeeeper meaning of your new collection: "....I will always love you....magnet(s) and iron, the (Joni) soul(s)." Yes! I have Joni magnets on my fridge: the covers of BSN, Clouds, Blue, and WTRF, all given to me by a friend of spirit who got them on EBay. And then in my workplace, on a metal file organizer on my desk, there is the precious "WWJD" magnet that Patti W. designed. At work I do my best, and I do good business, but it's always a Joni-thrill (she does something to me) when a new student or professor sees the magnet and asks either: 1) "Do you like Joni Mitchell?" or, 2) "Who is Joni Mitchell?" Either question gets me shining as I reel them in to Joniland and my work gets waylaid and I get that crazy feeling and I know I'm in trouble again! And then the people who know me really well dare to look away. They just shake their heads and say I'll never change. Enjoy your new collection, mon ami. I'm sure they'll be coming in fast and furious. Be on guard, dear Gail, for an overflowing mailbox, and envelopes sticking to the tops and sides of it. He wants them all -- a windfall of magnets! Love, Patti P., wondering if all this magnetic Joni energy will do something to your environment out there...in a good, "back to the garden" kind of way, of course. Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 00:06:36 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Attracted to you... njc It's been said that there's nothing quite like getting money in the mail, but gifts from fellow jmdlers is a close second in my book. For instance, Anita in London and Patti P., my MVP in Connecticut, have both sent me wonderful care packages. And by synchro, they both sent me magnets! You know, those sticky 2' wide knickknacks we all stick on our fridges and such? Well, I stick 'em on a file cabinet right here by my computer and I think about these lovelies every time I sit here, almost. Anita, who I love, sent me a magnet with a photo of a mounted beefeater in front of Buckingham Palace, because she picked up on my, yes, obsession with Her Majesty the Queen. And Patti sent me a heart-shaped red one that reads, sweetly "Someone from UConn Loves Me." Aww. So, now I want magnets from everyone featuring some scene or saying from your neck of the woods. Bring 'em to New York, or mail 'em to me, please. I'll get a bunch from San Francisco and hereabouts and I'll trade ya...even Stephen. Okay. It's my new hobby. I need one. Now I want magnets. Please give me some. I'll give one to you. They're cool and they stick to stuff. Magnets. - - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:34:52 -0500 From: "casperjoni" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #23 Hey there. I don't know. My posts don't get on the list; am I being censored. I can't imagine why. I just joined. Can someone get back to me on this. Thanks. Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "JMDL Digest" To: Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:00 AM Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #23 > This message has been processed by Symantec's AntiVirus Technology. > > Unknown00000000.data was not scanned for viruses because too many nested levels of files were found. > > > For more information on antivirus tips and technology, visit > http://ses.symantec.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:29:35 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman Warren wrote: > Sounds a bit like sour grapes Mack! I suppose that might be the case if I were going. Then I would be very livid. I am angry and have every right to be for my friends that are going. No excuse as far as I am concerned. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:01:32 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Magnets njc Hey, did I mention that I collect magnets? I just started collecting them, and it's already fun. I think I'm gonna be obsessed with it. Patti's not obsessed with anything, but I am. Well, at least I'm gonna be. I'm thinking I'll be obsessed with, like, magnets. MG was obsessed with Taylor Ham, and I thought that was funny! But she didn't. She was serious. About ham. Taylor Ham. Because she was obsessed with it. And she didn't care what I thought about that. Well, she did care, actually. She wanted me to eat some, but I never did. I'm not obsessed with Taylor Ham. I'm obsessed with magnets. This just in: Patti has LOTS of magnets! See? It's cool! Magnets, that is. Please send me some. Did I mention that I'm obsessed with them? You can mail me some. Really. You could. You could get an envelope. Then don't forget to enclose my magnet. Thanks. That's just fine. Now put my address on it. Don't forget it. I forgot the address once, and it was, um, bad. But I won't forget the address when I send you a magnet. I learned not to do that when I mail magnets. You'll see. I'll send you one. It's easy. Then you gotta lick it. The envelope...NOT MY MAGNET! Lick the magnet I send you, if you want. Don't lick my magnet. That's gross. I don't want it like that. You could kiss, my magnet if you're a girl. Well, okay. Boys can kiss it, too, if you want. But nobody lick my magnets, okay. That's sick. Lick your own. Then, well, then you need a stamp, or maybe you need two stamps. I don't know how many stamps you need. Just ask somebody else. I just want my magnet. I collect them. They're cool and they stick to stuff. Did I tell you that? Now Rose is gonna send me a magnet, too! And mike in Barcelona! That's two magnets! I collect them, you know. Ask anyone. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:38:39 EST From: JLoehr4988@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Tribute JMDL Pre-Show Reception!!! WOW...congrats to all involved with the new Joni Mitchell.com web site...it is really awesome...what a treat to see it this morning...thank you to all!!! My daughter and I are going to the tribute and hoped to stop by the Citigroup gathering and meet some fellow jmdlers...is it by invitation now or have I missed something..I'm seeing references to an invitation on some posts.. hope to meet some of you in NYC! Regards.. Judy (CT) ps ...still hopeful to see Joni there too! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:55:05 -0600 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #23 On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:34:52 -0500 "casperjoni" wrote: > Hey there. I don't know. My posts don't get on the list; >am I being > censored. I can't imagine why. I just joined. Can >someone get back to me on > this. Thanks. Chris Chris, Are you hitting the "reply to all" button when you reply? If not, only the person who wrote the post will get a reply. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:03:13 -0600 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman I am angry and have every right to be for my >friends that are going. > No excuse as far as I am concerned. > > mack So if people plan an event in a city I don't live in, assume for no solid reason that I will be there, but I don't come (and I never even hinted that I was interested), I have behaved inexcusibly, to the people who planned the party (who, I might add, I don't even know). Interesting. I guess I just don't see it. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:28:46 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: ping Wally & Catman njc anyone heard from them? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:17:16 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Need some help! Hey everyone!!! I've enjoyed the last couple of weeks of postings so much!!!! I feel 50/50% about Joni being there...if not she will have very logical reasons why not to attend. I never knew this was a Tribute AND a benefit for Music for Children....and I didn't know the painting Joni sold was to benefit the WarChild Foundation. I need some help....who knows how to pick a lock on a filing cabinet? I'm ready to blow up the thing. Many of my more or less criminally-minded pals have given it their best shot but to no avail. The thing is, my Joni file is in it and I've been keeping this file since around 1971. I wanted to post a listing of all that I've saved in case someone wants a copy of something. Here, in Jersey, the weather is calmer....right after last week's storm I saw a gigantic tree completely uprooted along with outside air-conditioning units. And, of course, there was no availability of any sort of service through the cable company. But things are fine now. Hoping all of our love and support is being showered over Marianne. All be well. Love from Bo Oh yeah....I know my name comes up Peep....it's a long rich story...for another time. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:34:00 -0500 From: paintedpage@aol.com Subject: Why is Joni so negative sometimes? hello, I'm pretty new to the list, and I've been reading a lot about Joni's anger that she does not get enough recognition, and her "deriding" other artists. Which other artists doesn't she like? Why is she so negative? Was she always that way? I love a great deal of her music (not all of it) but I don't know why she seems to be so angry. Unless I'm misunderstanding something. Mary Katherine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:42:58 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Brokeback Mountain njc (contains possible spoiler) > One point of intrigue, and maybe I'm being a bit simplistic: Ennis's last > words > are "Jack, I swear..." How do people imagine that sentence might have > continued? The most obvious way would be the "I love you" that neither > managed > in the film, though I'm sure there are other suggestions. I'm sure everybody's sick of this subject by now but I just had to say that I saw the film again yesterday with my friend Melanie. The affect it had on me was even stronger this time. I wanted to sit through the credits to hear Rufus's song again but I also needed the time to compose myself. There was a big sob in my throat. The feeling took awhile to go away. So I guess I still disagree with you, Jerry. I think 'Brokeback' is a beautifully made, powerful film. Also, something that I maybe didn't address too much before is that I think one of the points it makes is that there are gay people in every walk of life and there are all kinds of gay people. We don't all fit the image that some people may carry in their heads. After seeing the movie again, I have to agree with Vince's take on what was in Ennis's mind when he said 'Jack, I swear..' His daughter was just talking about her wedding and Ennis had asked her 'This roughneck.... he loves you?' I think he was probably thinking, 'Jack, I swear, I loved *you* and if I *could have*, I would have married you' or maybe not marry specifically but something to that effect. Hopefully this will be my last post on this subject. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:07:25 -0800 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Hey! Check out jonimitchell.com! Hey, has anyone happened to go on the brand spanking new jonimitchell.com website?? It is a thing of beauty! Many thanks and congratuations to all who were involved. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:43:39 -0800 (PST) From: Debra Shea Subject: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman - --- Michael Flaherty wrote: > So if people plan an event in a city I don't live > in assume for no solid reason that I will be there, but > I don't come (and I never even hinted that I was > interested), I have behaved inexcusibly, to the > people who planned the party (who, I might add, > I don't even know). > > Interesting. I guess I just don't see it. You seem to have missed some bits of information: Joni telling Julius that she'd be performing at a kid's event, a lister's cousin (?) who is the sound guy at Carnegie saying they're preparing for Joni, and the date of February 1, which is the date of her major debut at Carnegie in 1969. It felt like an appropriate symbolic joni-like gesture to have her swan song on the same date, same place. It's not at all surprising that Joni wouldn't attend the pre-concert party in the Cafe (and Julius in his letter acknowledged that it would be unlikely). But the thought that she'd be at the tribute concert had some basis, albeit not much. The date may just be a coincidence (or the cheapest date to rent Carnegie Hall), and there may be some other kid event she had in mind, or she's changed her mind and just doesn't want to go, or is not feeling well these days. From the outside, it's impossible to know. Things easily get blown out of proportion by people in love, which some fans are. Also, I think it's easier for someone who's not directly involved (that is, not planning to go the concert) to get more upset about Joni not being there. The people committed to going will make the best of it and enjoy the experience no matter what Joni does, especially if travel arrangements are already made and money spent. It does feel like the idea of Joni attending and performing was floated for a while, long enough to get people excited and help sell tickets quickly. In contrast, when I got tickets for the Wall to Wall tribute a few years ago, the ticket person made it very clear that Joni would not be there. Maybe if I'd bought my tickets at Carnegie's box office and asked about it, I would have been told then that Joni wouldn't be there, but getting tickets online there was no chance for asking (and I didn't even think of needing to ask because of all the buzz about her being there). So Joni's no-show is disappointing, but not a huge deal for me since I'm no longer in love, and haven't been for a few years now. Joni's music is great and always will be, but I'm not identifying with her in her crabby, unappreciative, retreading of old material, older age. Die-hard fanhood is as much about identifying with the artist as a person (or at least that person's public persona) as it is about liking whatever product she or he is selling. I love her music. I'm no longer a die-hard fan. Things change... And it's going to be a very happy concert. And maybe a better one, freer and more adventurous than it would be if she was there. Debra Shea Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:08:48 -0600 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:43:39 -0800 (PST) Debra Shea wrote: But > the thought that she'd be at the tribute concert had > some basis, albeit not much. I agree with much of what you say, Debra. I understand the disappointment. It's the anger toward Joni, as if she has personally done something bad to the parties involved, that I don't buy. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:38:10 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: www.jonimitchell.com , Les finished it Yo, In case anyone's as late to the party as I am, Les finished the new JoniMitchell.com. Go to www.jonimitchell.com You might have to use the "Reload" button. This will force your Internet Service Provider to give you the latest version instead of some old version that they have stored somewhere on the backbone. Jim L'Hommedieu PS, Discussion about the list is Joni Content. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:57:23 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: jonimitchell.com Great job, Les. Wow! Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:12:01 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Joni tribute CD: resurrected? Yo, The tribute CD project on Nonesuch has arisen, perhaps in time for Easter. More than a week ago, Les posted some news to the official site's log: The boss' log says, >January 14, 2006: Recently spotted on Cassandra Wilson's website: "Early November 2005, worked on a Joni Mitchell Tribute project for Nonesuch records. Brandon Ross, Kenny Davis, Gregoire Maret, and Jeffrey Haines. These guys are my family. We spent two days together at Allaire Studios in Shokan. The leaves had completely turned before and fell the day after we recorded. For The Roses was well worth the wait. I used to do it back in the '80's and could not remember the tuning. But have no fear, the guitar god is here. Thanks, Brandon." No other information about it at this time! (li)> News as it... uh... is discovered... Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:30:46 -0800 (PST) From: Debra Shea Subject: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman - --- Michael Flaherty wrote: > I understand > the disappointment. It's the anger toward Joni, as > if she > has personally done something bad to the parties > involved, > that I don't buy. I see your point, Michael. Fanhood can be personal, too personal sometimes. So some people may overreact in both positive and negative ways. Unless it goes on and on, or lots of people jump on the negative bandwagon, an overreaction or two doesn't bother me, but, of course, not everyone would feel that way. I hope Joni knows how protective some people feel toward her. Her fans are not all gimme gimme take take take all the time. Debra Shea Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:20:41 -0800 (PST) From: Debra Shea Subject: Re: www.jonimitchell.com, Les finished it - --- "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" wrote: > In case anyone's as late to the party as I am, Les > finished the new > JoniMitchell.com. Go to > www.jonimitchell.com The redesigned site looks great, Les! Lots of work, and it shows. I like the clean open look, especially the logo and photo of young Joni gazing at us directly and looking over it all. It's an excellent and heartfelt tribute to Joni. Congratulations to you and everyone else involved for a job well done! Debra Shea Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:09:36 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni Tribute: Sad News from Sam Feldman Michael Flaherty wrote : However, I am quite certain that any decision Joni made had nothing to do with any of us. The idea that by turning down any offer (assuming there even was one) to participate in this event was not aimed at her fans, or that she owes us to turn up in NYC at a time we've selected, is absurd. After all, she never even hinted that she might want to do this concert, or that she was going to be there. This was an assumption (she's GOT to be there!) that snowballed into an accepted fact (she WILL be there!). My 2 cents : Michael I think you're right. At this point it doesn't matter how this assumption became fact. What does matter to me is that for some of you it was the last chance to see Joni before she disappears completely into retirement. So, my point is very pragmatic : Joni isn't reading the List. Is there a possibility that Joni herself doesn't know that so many fans from all over the world are going to NYC with the one hope of hearing her perform 1 song ? If this is the case, then perhaps her knowing this might make her change her mind ? It is clear from Sam Feldman's office that Joni is not planning to be there at all, not just the vip party. So at this point there's nothing to lose. Why don't you find a way to pass on the info to Joni before it's too late ? If she can't then so be it. I just hate losing a fight without even trying. I admire you all for your positive attitude and I'm sure you'll have a good time either way. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:25:25 -0500 From: frednow@aol.com Subject: Re: Shitting on her fans?! -----Original Message----- From: Blair Fraipont To: frednow@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:58:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Shitting on her fans?! I must add: Joni will NEVER cease to receive praise. If anything as time passes and the next generation reaches the adult age more people are being exposed (even if a little) to Joni's music and artistry. Also, hasn't Joni given us enough with what she has produced, written and performed? ---------------- I certainly feel that she has. And I even agree with Mack that not all her work is of equal quality, although I wouldn't use his adjective "crappy" ... I wouldn't consider anything she's done as crap, just below her own incredibly high standard. -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:42:58 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: To Mack & All - NJC Mack bemoaned: I am angry and have every right to be for my friends that are going. No excuse as far as I am concerned. Donna responded: Dear Mack, No excuses needed Mack! and no anger either. I will echo many on the list who say they are as much if not more excited to see our JMDL friends of old and meet new ones at the upcoming gathering than anything else. I wish that you could be there to experience the love and talent that is shared by our JMDL family at these events. Hope to have the priviledge of meeting you at a gathering in the future and hope you are well and happy. Take care of yourself, love from Texas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:02:32 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Was Shitting/Now NJC Julius: Get a grip of your own, Warren. What's with the "you folks" characterization? Sheesh. Donna: My dear friends, It would be great if we could put an end to this thread which has become an argument about nothing. She's not coming. Get over it. Julius, honey, the reference to "you folks" means (to me) all of us who understand and love the JMDL as a great place to discuss anything; angry, political, right or wrong and then move on. And those who truly understand Joni's music and want to discuss it on a rational level. I love you Julius and I love being a part of this list. Respectfully, Donna (AKA the texas tush) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:19:00 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Joni being a no show I contacted Sam about a month ago and I knew at that time she had not committed herself to the engagement.... the email read... Dear Rose, Thanks for your email. We are aware of this tribute but Joni has not committed to attending at this time. She is considering the possibility and we'll hopefully know more in the New Year. It is unfortunate that Joni is not performing at this time. We can only hope she changes her mind some day soon. I never contacted him again. Laurent, you are right, she probably has no idea that we were anticipating her attendance. I think it's all about forgiveness and understanding. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:56:50 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Shitting on her fans?! Warren wrote: Hey Mack...I'm afraid you don't have the power to make her not Joni Mitchell,,,GET A GRIP!!! --How profound. I guess you put me in my place. Won't even bother with this one. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:39:03 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Giving Bruce Springsteen His Due, Njc I didn't get it on tape but Terri Gross interviewed Springsteen in late 05. She played it back near the last week of the year as a kind of treat for music fans. She had a few snippets of overdubs that were not used in the Wall-of-Sound epic song, "Born To Run". One was a heavenly choir and Springsteen himself laughed at it. Anyway, did anyone else hear it? She asked him to talk about the despair and hope in his songwriting. She noticed that he very often has both in the same song. He said something that I found really interesting. Approximately, the conversation was, Bruce: >The thing about my songs is that I put the problems, the challenges, in the verses and the hope in the refrain.> Terri: >Wow. Really?> Bruce: >See? Yeah. I learned that from the Spirituals. They have the pain in the verses and the healing in the refrain.> Terri: >That's so interesting.> Bruce: >There may be exceptions but that's the way they come out, usually. That's what I *try* to make them.> All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:48:20 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Whaaat? Joni said, >"If I was a painter," >Picasso said, >"I'd paint this girl from toe to head." Em, what does that mean to you? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:58:22 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Giving Bruce Springsteen His Due, Njc Hi Jim, I didn't hear that Fresh Air interview, but I did just pick up and consume the 30th anniversary box set edition of BTR, with a remastered CD of the original work, plus two FULL DVD's, one a "Making of" that would fascinate you I'm sure in terms of the alternate sounds, archival footage, interviews and etc.(They don't call him "The Boss" for nuthin') This DVD also features a great performance from '74 that's pretty awesome, with a live performance of Thundercrack. The other DVD is a full 2-hour plus '75 show, Bruce's first in London, where the setlist and performances are so incredible it will make your eyes water; it did mine anyway. I thought while watching it how cool it wouul be if there had been a 30th anniversary edition of Blue with some new concert DVD included. Instead of the recycled we could actually celebrate something new. Bob NP: Son Volt, "Endless War" (will be seeing them live this Thursday) - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:09:29 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Why is Joni so negative sometimes? Hi Mary Katherine - these are good questions, and would probably generate as many different answers as there are people here to repond. I would say that the issue is not that she doesn't LIKE others but that she resents having them compared to her when she doesn't see or hear any similarity or see them challenging themselves the way that she has done. She has responded this way regarding Shawn Colvin, Suzanne Vega, Rickie Lee Jones, Jewel, and others. Although she comes off as being arrogant and egotistical, I think she is just being honest, plus I think there's a real resentment when she sees someone who is following the trails that she blazed and is having the success that she herself never had. Though to hear Joni say it, she never wanted the success, not sure that I believe that, I think she just wanted the success more on her own terms and was not going to allow herself to be manipulated by the public and the marketplace. She wanted to win the game without playing the game. At least that's my take on it. And I don't think she's a negative person at all - she's enjoyed her career and in conversation always seems to be able to find the humor and joy in things. I think her written publicity of late has painted her to be resentful & negative, but I would label that a false perception for the most part. Negativity makes for a more interesting story, so that's the slant that the press has taken. Just my take on it, and nothing more. Bob NP: REM, "Camera" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:37:06 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Giving Bruce Springsteen His Due, now Joni content you can still hear it here _http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5012820_ (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5012820) she is thought of as being an outstanding interviewer. At least Bruce gives insightful answers. And yeah bob it would be kewl if they remastered one of Joni's CD's and made a box set of it with some never before seen live concert footage. I understand her Carnegie Hall performance was going to be made into an album, but then they chucked the idea for a studio album. I'm sure it's archived somewhere. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:59:16 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman Flaherty wrote: > So if people plan an event in a city I don't live in, > assume for no solid reason that I will be there, but I > don't come (and I never even hinted that I was > interested), I have behaved inexcusibly, to the people who > planned the party (who, I might add, I don't even know). > > Interesting. I guess I just don't see it. - --And no one asked you too. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 03:37:57 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: njc, another affectionate jab at Smurf >Dear Em and Patti, > >Thank you for your email and kind invitation. >Unfortunately, Smurf will >not be attending the event and neither will any of our >staff. > >Have a wonderful evening. > >Kind regards, > >Cathy Clarke >Assistant to Sam Feldman > I'm sorry for always running behind the times here, but *really*, Smurf! Who do you think you are? Kitty Welles? XO, LOL, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:41:48 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: the things you find on ebay any takers? _http://cgi.ebay.com/Celebration-at-Big-Sur-1971-CSNY-Joni-Mitchell-16mm_W0QQi temZ6475632418QQcategoryZ63821QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/Celebration-at-Big-Sur-1971-CSNY-Joni-Mitchell-16mm_W0QQitemZ6475632418QQcategoryZ6 3821QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:51:26 -0600 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:59:16 -0600 "mack watson-bush" wrote: > --And no one asked you too. > > mack Ohhh ... have I been put in MY place! Sorry. I thought as you were trying to communicate, but I guess you just want to whine. I'll leave you to it. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:59:10 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: Giving Bruce Springsteen His Due, Njc She's probably reworking the title and having new paintings framed right now. Possible titles: "BLUE: The Work of a Misunderstood Genius, Just Like Picasso: Joni Mitchell" or "Joni Mitchell's BLUE: Casting Pearls Before Swine" or "BLUE: Lotus Blossom From A Cesspool: Joni Mitchell" Act now and you'll receive a bonus DVD, "Balance Your Chi With The Medicine Wheel" Jim >In my dweams, we buy.> From: Bob Muller [mailto:scjoniguy@yahoo.com] The other DVD is a full 2-hour plus '75 show, Bruce's first in London, where the setlist and performances are so incredible it will make your eyes water; it did mine anyway. I thought while watching it how cool it would be if there had been a 30th anniversary edition of Blue with some new concert DVD included. Instead of the recycled we could actually celebrate something new. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 04:03:14 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: njc, Go Huskies! SCJoniguy wrote: > Yes indeed, Patti! Her Tar Heels may not give her something to cheer >about every game this season, but to have the arrogant Duke-snobs get taken >down a peg is sweet. (Of course I don't mention that my Wolfpack is ranked >higher than the Heels). > And of course I don't mention that my UConn Huskies just might be ranked NUMBER ONE in tomorrow's polls. (Heart and humour and humility -- well, two out of three ain't bad!) Speaking of your NC State Wolfpack, I was at a UConn people's party recently, and someone asked who knocked us out of last year's tournament. I quickly piped up that it was NC State, that I remember it well, because my Joni-friend named "SCJoniguy" went to school there. The room quickly cleared... And Catherine, how cool is it that your niece plays for the U of Saskatoon Huskies, where Notre Joan lived! (Nice "life is for learning" for me, knowing that there are other Huskies out there. Merci!) She must be some tough cookie, being a goalie, all those pucks flying at her all the time. Go Erin! I know the environment well -- both of my boys played hockey for years. I was a hopeful hockey mom in rinks this these, while I was working cheap (for free) as an administrator in their hockey organization. All those damned hockey games....but I loved them at the time, because they were part of our circle game. Love, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:29:32 -0500 From: Wes Subject: Can you PLEASE take the bickering to another forum??!! I don't think I'm the only one sick of seeing this vitriol go back and forth between both sides. Please consider starting an alternate forum such as: www.jmisslsbl.com - The Joni Mitchell Isn't Showing, So Let's Start Bickering List or www.iljmbhydd.com - The I Love Joni Mitchell But Hope You Drop Dead List I almost wish the tribute concert wasn't happening so I didn't have to read this crap everyday. I subscribed to the "Joni only" list to avoid these kinds of off topic rants. Please take it elsewhere. Until then, if you want me, I'll be in the bar. Wes ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:12:01 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: www.jonimitchell.com , Les finished it Les, tremendous work. Well done and appreciated. Thanks so much. Sad to see the JMDL site go. Kind of like an old friend. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:42:51 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Giving Bruce Springsteen His Due, Njc hey now, let's be nice...wanna see something kewl...Bruce busking on the streets in Copenhagen 1988...One thing I'll say about the Boss....he loves his fans! _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60ASiYKwS4A_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60ASiYKwS4A) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:14:19 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: ping Wally & Catman njc Rose, I keep up with Wally from time to time. Over Christmas he wrote that he was working hard but things are still not good down there. Miss him. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:27:35 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Brokeback Mountain njc Mark Scott wrote: > > > After seeing the movie again, I have to agree with Vince's take on > what was in Ennis's mind when he said 'Jack, I swear..' His daughter > was just talking about her wedding and Ennis had asked her 'This > roughneck.... he loves you?' I think he was probably thinking, 'Jack, > I swear, I loved *you* and if I *could have*, I would have married > you' or maybe not marry specifically but something to that effect. > > Hopefully this will be my last post on this subject. > > Mark E. in Seattle Thank you. No reason for this to be your last post on this movie, I get a great deal out of your comments and insights. I saw it four times this weekend - after all the requests I made to get it shown locally, I had to support the decision to bring it here - plus I wanted to study it. I won't bore anyone with all that I am reflecting on after this Brokeback marathon but I do more more than ever that Ennis was speaking of living with Jack (on movie evidence; the story I think is clear on that point). Their last two conversations directly were about Jack's intense ache that Ennis and him did not live together, have their life together other than several non-fishing fishing trips a year. The antepenultimate scene is Jack's father saying that Jack had spoke frequently of Jack's desire to have Ennis and Jack build a cabin and live together. The penultimate scene is as Mark notes, about marriage, and Ennis comments about his sparse furnishings, "if you ain't got nothing..." and I don't think he was referring to furniture; he didn't have Jack. The ultimate scene, Ennis looks at the two shirts - now reversed, with Ennis' protectively over Jack's, and that is when Ennis says, "Jack, I swear..." Jack, I would have lived with you, I would have protected you, never let you go, had I known that it would end as it did, that I would lose you... Ennis had so much regret... I have been deeply touched by the off list emails that I have gotten from people who faced the same sorts of situations that Brokeback raised. We have a lot of pain, those who faced choices and/or situations that they never imagined and whatever was chosen would bring pain to someone they loved or who was innocent and going to be hurt. And I have cried with more sharing than I can comprehend of people amongst our own JMDL community who know others, others they loved, who suffered the same fate as Jack - and Mathew Shepherd. Those for whom the movie did not speak, well, not every work of art speaks to all people, let alone with the same meanings. Focusing on the details of the film in this many viewings, I am more than ever convinced of the artistry that went into it and more than ever blown away by the power. Annie Proulx created an amazing story. Ang Lee brought that story to a vision that we can see. It is as well crafted and intricately worked out artistry that moves us slowly with nothing but the telling of the story with the incredible Larry McMurtry- Dianna Ossama script and uniformly exquisite acting about people who are people we know, or who are us, at least for some of us. This is not the Brokeback Mountain discussion list but this is a community that shares (and argues and fights and snipes at each other as we see in other current threads and as we know from the past in which almost all of us active posters have taken part, me more than my allotment). We are not as personal as we once were about our own lives, and that is probably good, the internet intimacy sometimes was not always reacted to or treated well and on occasion it was too much information, too much private material that should not be there forever in the cyberworld. But we exist as a community to share together that which we often have no other place to go. I sure can't go to work tomorrow and talk with my coworkers about what this film, and the original story, mean to me - that is not a safe place for that. But it ought be a safe place here. Obviously this story and movie have touched some deeply because it touches our own lives. May we never lose our safe community. I am now ready to do the scene by scene commentary with Ang Lee when the dvd comes out but I won't do that here, yet I hope the discussion continues in its natural life for those who have more to say. After all, Joni has touched on some of these themes in her music and we are here for each other. Those who don't want to read about it can always delete. Those who have more to share, please do. I beg you. Because art has no meaning without reaction, art has no purpose if it does not touch our inner realities, and this list has no purpose if we silence ourselves. Vince NP: A Love that will never grow old, sung by Emmalou Harris, and visualizing the incredibly ironic and for that all the more moving place it was used in the movie. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #24 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------