From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2006 #14 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, January 15 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 014 Win a free VIP ticket to Carnegie Hall! details: jmdl.com/winvip.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #13 [StDoherty@aol.com] Joni Tribute -- getting organized ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Joni Tribute -- getting organized njc [JRMCo1@aol.com] Gay or not, Brokeback NJC [Bryan ] njc, apres-show meet-up ["Patti Parlette" ] 'Golden Reggie'? ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: Joni Tribute -- Citigroup Cafe njc ["Patti Parlette" ] In France they Kiss and sing Joni covers... [Bob Muller ] A President to be Proud of njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #13 [Jahida Jorganes ] Pre and Post tribute plans [Garret ] Re: Gay or not, Brokeback NJC [vince ] RE: In France they Kiss and sing Joni covers... ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: In France they Kiss and sing Joni covers... [JoniPD ] Re: Joni Tribute -- getting organized njc ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: YouSendIt Delivery Notification: Joni name tag.doc [JoniPD ] RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #13 ["patrick leader" ] RE: [NortheastJonifest] Post tribute plans - more about seppi's ["patric] RE: Joni Tribute -- getting organized - patrick's reply ["patrick leader"] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:08:16 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #13 In a message dated 01/14/2006 3:04:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: I've been trying to understand the words 'Golden Reggie' in the lyrics of 'Song for Sharon'. Can anyone tell me what this literally means? Is Golden Reggie a nickname for someone? A dog breed? (Did Joni have a dog as a child, in Maidstone?) Or is it a different name for 'Prince Charmant', perhaps, or Mr. Right? OK this is a stretch - but since I first heard this back in the mid seventies - I thought she may have been referring to - don't laugh - the cartoon character from the Archie comics. You know Reggie - Veronica always had the dude on a string. There was always a newfangled twist on the competition between old carrot top and Reg. He was Archie's rival for Ronnie's affection - though if I'm remembering correctly he had black hair. He was the typical BMOC in the strip. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:56:06 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Joni Tribute -- getting organized Dear Joni Tribute Goers: As the excitement and anticipation build, Em and Cassy (and you know....) are dreaming flat tires, concerned that all the people at this party won't get to meet up. Of course we don't want to come out to the Big Apple here to face the dream's malfunction. Dreaming on my own dimes, I dreamt that we all met up at a Friendly's (go figure) and we couldn't push all the scattered booths together. The waitresses were all talking about zombies and Singapore Slings and would not help us at all (okay, that part I just made up!). We were all young girls, dressed in 1969-ish hippie flowered granny dresses. We all looked very young as we introduced ourselves. Someone had a huge wart in the shape of a mushroom on her nose (Joni's arm on the Hejira cover? Go figure again!), and she assured us that it didn't bother her, that real beauty is what's inside. And then Julius and Paz kept driving by in a huge white limo and we were all waving them down -- a little bit corny, wildflowers waving for you -- but they couldn't see us because there was no good reception, so they tuned us out! (Dreams, Patricia -- dreams and false alarms!) Shooby dooby, flip city! But now have a better dream. An "administrative coordinator" by trade, I am offering to do a little organizing, if anyone feels the need for that and would like to participate. I have lost track of who is coming and when and where. How many people are actually coming? Twenty? Thirty? Forty? I really don't know! "Guesses at most, guesses based on what each set of time and change is touching." I know Marianne had a list of people who are staying at (Peoples') Park Central, and a list of guesses for what song Joni would (will?) sing (WWJS?), but now she is busy attending to her father's needs. (Big hug of comfort and strength to you, Marianne!) I'lll try to keep myself open up to you and do my best to organize a list of who, what, when, where, etc. You can send me as little or as much information as you want -- we all have differents sets of circumstances when it comes to privacy needs, I know, I know, as we are orbiting around the sun. You may not want to be bound and tied to anyone. We love our Joni-loving, but not like we love our freeeeedom! If you want to be a free man in NYC, unfettered and alive, that's okay, too. So here is what I have in heart and mind. ALL THE PEOPLE AT THIS PARTY NAME:____________________________ NAME(S) OF ACCOMPANIST(S):____________________________ HOMEBASE (city, state, country):__________________________ HOTEL (where you will shower off the dust, ex: Empire, Fairmont, Cactus Tree, etc.): _________ TAXI INTO TOWN ARRIVAL TIME (ex: Tuesday, 1/31, p.m.):_____________________ DEPARTURE TIME (ex: Thursday, 2/2, leaving on the 1:15, darn right!) __________________ CELLPHONE NUMBER:____________________________ SEAT LOCATION:_______________________________ WWJS GUESS (ex: Circle Game):_________________________________ DISTINGUISHING PIN, NAMETAG, JONI BERET, etc.:_________________________ And then for the pre- and post-events/meet-ups, if the organizers (Casperjoni, Kenny B., Julius , Patrick, etc.) would send me the relevant info (place, times, etc.) I could include that, too. Yikes! I told you when I met you I was crazy. Our semester begins this Tuesday and it is crazy busy time. I hope I can do this list justice. Give me some time, I feel like I'm losing mine! I told my son Chris that I'm in Joni-overdrive and he said: "That is impossible, Mom. You can't get any worse." HA! Just watch me! Love, Patti P. NPIMH: Night in the city looks pretty to me Night in the city looks fine Music comes spilling out into the streets JMDLers go waltzing in time.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:45:57 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Feeling so happy! Well said Donna! We celebrate the highs the lows, the joys as well as the sorrows. That's what true friendship is all about. Then of course, there is our love for Joni...man! If she only knew how much she is loved by us! If she only knew what a difference she has made in our lives! She dared to be herself even when it was not popular. She pushed the envelope musically and dared us to be truthful and real with our own lives. She let us see her shortcomings and her flaws...she took something that hurt and turned it into beautiful music. I will forever be grateful for that! Thank you Joni!!! I look forward to seeing everyone! Love, Sherelle Donna wrote: > >Meee tooo!!!!! > >Feeling so happy about seeing you my friends!!! Can't wait to give >everyone a big huge hug and feel the feeling that comes with like minded >people and wonderful, talented, loving souls. Woo hoo!!! > >This fest is gonna so rock! Sherelle, I am so happy that you are going >to be there. > >As usual for Jonifests, it will be a celebration of us, our lives, our >sorrows, our friendships and support of each other through the years. > >Bundle up everyone, it's gonna be cold - 40 degrees is cold to a Texan >who's getting spring-like weather in January!! (it was almost 80 >degrees the other day) > >What should I wear?? > >love yall and can't wait, >db ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:53:52 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Tribute -- getting organized njc Here's my info, Patti. Thanks for organizing. With regard to the Meet & Greet at the Citigroup Cafe before the show: Everyone should try to arrive at the Hall at as close to 7:00 p.m. as possible, when the doors open, and proceed directly to the Cafe. (I'm working on getting JMDL members reserved seating in the Cafe and access to the Hall at 6:30, but that is not yet confirmed.) In this way, we can stake a claim to space in the cafe for us and our later arrivals, and we'll be able order whatever you want in terms of food and drink expeditiously. I will be there as early as allowable. I'm hoping to get the Carnegie Hall catering/restaurant folks to configure a group of table for us for use before the show, and just leave the tables that way for our use for dessert, cocktails, espresso, or whatever at Intermission. Get there quick after the lights come up, if you can though. The Hall seats 2800...all who will be hungry and thirsty after a long first set and will be looking to hunker down at the Citigroup. But if we get an early jump on the crowd, I think we'll be okay in there. I'll provide more details as I get them from Carnegie Hall. This is exciting! Can't wait to see the lot of you. > ALL THE PEOPLE AT THIS PARTY > > NAME:_Julius___________________________ > > NAME(S) OF ACCOMPANIST(S):_________________ > > HOMEBASE (city, state, country):_San Rafael, Marin County, California > USA_________________________ > > HOTEL (where you will shower off the dust, ex: Empire, Fairmont, Cactus > Tree, etc.): _Tempo Apartments, 240 West 73rd Street, Upper West Side, > Manhattan________ > > TAXI INTO TOWN ARRIVAL TIME (ex: Tuesday, 1/31, p.m.):__Tuesday, 12/31, 3 > p.m._(from JFK) Anyone want to share a cab?__________________ > > DEPARTURE TIME (ex: Thursday, 2/2, leaving on the 1:15, darn right!) > Friday, 2/3, 4 p.m.__________________ > > CELLPHONE NUMBER:_415-505-1679___________________________ > > SEAT LOCATION:_Prime Parquet, Row E, Seat 1_____________________________ > > WWJS GUESS (ex: Circle Game):__"Woodstock"_______________________________ > > DISTINGUISHING PIN, NAMETAG, JONI BERET, etc.:__Jonifest 2000, (Mary Grce > Valentinsson)______________________ > > -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:01:44 -0800 (PST) From: Bryan Subject: Gay or not, Brokeback NJC Well, I 'm sure all the gay men in the world (myself among them) would love to claim these gorgeous cowboys among our own. But...now that I think about it more...I have to agree that the characters aren't necessarily gay, especally Ennis (Heath). They do in fact have a homosexual relationship (which I believe was far more about love than sex) but the primary sexual orientation could well be hetero (again, especially Ennis). This answers the question "Can a straight man fall in love with another man?" (Of course; and gay men can fall in love with women.) As for the "I ain't queer" comment, that's what nearly all of us say at some point before we accept the truth. But, as others have said, it doesn't matter really....the story is about love and, tragically, about hatred too. Bryan PS. Heath Ledger was fantastic. Do see this film, it's well worth the time. >Who said we couldn't discuss it? The only one that could tell me that would be Les. I enjoyed this article. Again, everyone has their own take. I guess the only ones who know if they are gay or straight is them and maybe they don't even know. What does it matter? mack > > I agree with Mack that labels are just labels, or > whatever he said exactly, but I thought this article > was interesting in that it brings up the same point I > was trying to make before discussion became > uncomfortable. (The point being that I was left > unclear about whether or not Ennie and Jack were > supposed to be gay -- or I think I said "100% gay.") >>Smurf > Probing the Brokeback Syndrome > Can a straight man fall in love with another man? - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:45:47 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, apres-show meet-up Our apres-show leader patrick wrote: folks, i'd done some research for the aftershow and sent out the message below, and have received the following rsvp's. i hope everyone received it. ************** my suggestion for after the show is seppi's, just 5 minutes from carnegie (also on 56th street). here's the website, http://seppisnewyork.com/ and the parker meridien site http://parkermeridien.com/Dinner%20Menu.pdf has the dinner menu. full bar and they serve until 2 am every night. i've made a reservation for 20 at 11 pm, no deposit required (their dining room seats 65) but they'd like a better idea how many people will be showing up. please let me know if you think you'll be joining us for a joni gather after the show. please try to respond by one week from today. thanks, patrick ************* rsvp'd so far brian gross bob muller julius + 1 cassy les david lahm david sapp (4) jack merkel ************* patrick, please add me and my guests: patti p. + graham n. + james t. + david c. ONLY KIDDING! (Sorry, I couldn't resist....tee hee heee!) Now, to be serious, please just add 2: patti p. + 1 Merci beaucoup for organizing this....and the restaurant is francais? Ooh la la! Magnifique! Formidable! In French restaurants, do they kiss in the Main Lobby? Bisous a tous, Patti P. NPIMH: When you count the ones who want to come, count me, too And if I'm not first on your list, count me BLUE Just be sure you count on me and when the countin's through Count me madly in love with Joni -- and all of you! - -- slightly altered lyrics from Gary Lewis and the Playboys (Glen D. Hardin, 1965) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:58:46 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: 'Golden Reggie'? Yup. Well said, Bob. You get the latest "Julie Z. Webb Award for Literary Critique". I guess you already know that "Golden Reggie" doesn't produce anything useful from a Google search. Also a search for "Reggie" comes up empty in Les' entire JMDL Library and in the jm.com site. Maybe she'll reveal his info in the biography. Jim L'Hommedieu Dayton Bob Muller said, > I think it's part of a pattern with Song For Sharon in that the song deals in specifics. Unlike BSN, which deals in generalities, universalities. We can immediately put ourselves into it. SFS, on the other hand, is a litany of specific recollections about Joni and her relationship/history with Sharon. Over and over again, there are SPECIFIC references: Staten Island Bleecker Street Dora Betsy Maidstone Reggie Wollman Rink The brilliance of the song is that we can STILL relate to the imagery that Joni's writing about, even though it's decidedly pointed at someone else. While dealing in specifics (or maybe because she does) she touches upon big themes that we all deal with; ambition, love, death, family, etc.> Karen Marie Espeland said, >>Is Golden Reggie a nickname for someone? A dog breed? (Did Joni have a dog as a child, in Maidstone?) Or is it a different name for 'Prince Charmant', perhaps, or Mr. Right?>> Joni Mitchell said, >>>And when I went skating after Golden Reggie You know it was white lace I was chasing Chasing dreams>>> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:19:19 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: Joni Tribute -- Citigroup Cafe njc Hi Julius! You said you spoke to Emily at Carnegie Hall. It's a small world, after all! And a wonderful one, at that. I don't know how many Emilys work at Carnegie Hall, but I know one. I have a phone call into her mother Margaret to see if it's the one and the same. The Emily I know was my firstborn son's best friend from birth to age 5, and the last time I talked to her mom, she was a "special events coordinator" at Carnegie Hall. She lived upstairs from us many dim years ago in the beginning of my son's Circle Game, and our families were tight....we raised these two babes, Christopher and Emily, together. Before they could talk very well, they called each other "Tiffy" and "Mimi". We went everywhere together, and surely she heard many Joni songs in my apartment. If you talk to her again before I reach her parents, ask her if she knows Patti Parlette-Schaff, and if she was born on May 15, 1978, and if she remember "Tiffy Schaff", and if she is from Mansfield CT and if she went to the University of Delaware. That should knock her socks off! Her maiden name is Sweeney; I forget her married name, but she married a hockey player from the University of Vermont named Brad. Hopefully this is the one and the same Emily, and she will give us the VIJP treatment that we deserve. She *owes* me for all the diapers of hers I changed, and for the time she and Chris smeared Desitin ALL over themselves when they were about two years old. Margaret and I gave them a bath, and do you know how hard it is to scrub that stuff off? LOL! In any case, please count me in for this meet-up at the Chinese Cafe/Our Secret Place/Citigroup Cafe/Barangrill. Love, Patti P., trying to be as restrained as I can just at this moment of the world NPOMTV: My UConn Huskies running off the court after beating Georgetown 74-67. YAY! Got your Husky cap on, eating your porous-with-travel-fever crumbled Husky chips? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:34:28 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: RIP Shelley Winters NJC http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060114/ap_on_en_mo/obit_winters "God Bless Mrs Rosen" "You had alot of guts lady, alot of guts". I really loved Shelley Winters. The neat thing to me was that every once in a while, she'd pop up again. I loved her as Roseanne's ba;;cap wearing grandmother. Em ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:35:40 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: In France they Kiss and sing Joni covers... All this talk about Francais, now - must be the start of...a Joni cover that I just got in the mail today! This one actually came out 35 years ago but I just learned of it last week as its title is "Le Grand Parking" instead of what we know it as: Big Yellow Taxi. Here is Joe Dassin from 1970, with French translation by C. Lemesle: http://s60.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=385EPD4O6XK7X1GRLTHO2DY43L Est-ce que je l'aime? Mais naturellement - Joni couvre la rhgle! Bob NP: Karin van Dam, "A Case of You" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:39:04 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: In case you need a jacket to wear to the Tribute concert http://cgi.ebay.com/joni-mitchell-tour-jacket-1976-made-by-Butwin-Co_W0QQitemZ8373748823QQcategoryZ48882QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Way cool. Bob NP: David Clayton-Thomas, "River" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:43:24 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Re: 'Golden Reggie'? RR, I think Reggie is from Maidstone too. In addition to the context which you quoted, the lines before "Golden Reggie" are about school too. She keeps using "and" plus there are multiple school age references: Joni said, >>>When we were kids in Maidstone, Sharon I went to every wedding in that little town To see the tears and the kisses And the pretty lady in the white lace wedding gown *And walking home on the railroad tracks... "swinging on the playground swing" *And when I went skating after Golden Reggie>>> Plus, she keeps referring back to school days and updating the references to NYC: Maidstone "lady in the white lace" / NYC "storefront mannequin" Indian kids on a bridge/walk the girders of the Manhattan skyline and finally, skating after Golden Reggie / twenty-nine skaters on Wollman Rink (in NYC) Maybe Deb Messling would say she's using brides, Indians and skaters as archetypes. Jim PS, I like the cinematic quality to these lines. I "see" figures silhouetted against the sky. >Little Indian kids on a bridge up in Canada> >They can balance and they can climb> >Like their fathers before them> >They'll walk the girders of the Manhattan skyline> I think Joni's a pretty good story-teller. Right gang? Jim RR said, >>I would assume he was the fair-haired object of her affection, from the context of the song-probably her first heartbreak; He taught me first you get the kisses Then you give the tears But the ceremony of the bells and lace Still this reckless fool hears Or something like that>> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:03:26 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: A President to be Proud of njc >I watched a movie on PBS called "Yesterday" and was reduced to complete tears especially the first time I watched it. It was a story of a young South African wife and mother who contracted AIDS from her husband who worked in the mines of Johnannesburg. < I saw most of that movie too & yes it was so incredible & moving & disturbing! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:21:22 -0800 (PST) From: Jahida Jorganes Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #13 Ok, so I've decided that i am going to drive down to New York City from Vermont in the hopes that someone there will be able to sell me a ticket. I would love to meet up with some of you folks at some point as well. Do you think that it's possible that somene there would have an extra ticket? I sincerely hope so. So seeing as none of you know me from Adam, here's a little bit: I am a Puerto Rican and Cuban 26yrs. old student at Johnson State College in Johnson, Vermont. I am a Jazz/Contemporary Music studies major with an emphasis on voice. I was introduced to Joni from a beloved 7th grade English teacher in New Jersey, where I am originally from. I moved up to Vermont three years ago to live with my boyfriend. We are still together and happy. I am an energetic person, and love Shriaz and Cabernet Sauvignon. I love Joni and sang Big Yellow Taxi my senior year in high school's Talent Show. This is my myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/17407777 So, now you know just a bit more about Jahida, I can't wait to know more of you all! - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos  Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and well bind it! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:31:49 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Pre and Post tribute plans Hey all, I have to admit that i have failed to keep up with the various suggestions for pre and post concert gatherings. Dermot and I will certainly be up for getting together over a glass or two (although we don't drink the guinness outside of Hibernia), seeing faces i know and finally putting faces to some more of those JMDL names. So, what is actually happening? Who is going to the tribute? GARRET NP - ACOY - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:14:18 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Gay or not, Brokeback NJC I really, really, really encourage people to read the story, easily found at any bookstore or online. Ennis and Jack both came to know they were gay and accepted that - Ennis was conflicted about living in a straight world which is why he never accepted Jack's offer to live together. The last words of the story and movie: "Jack, I swear..." hell, Ennis and Jack both tried to make their way as straight in a straight world as have many of us, it was 4 years after Brokeback that they reunited in an urgency that brought revelation, and acceptance of that they could only have their relationship on a "fishing trip" basis. The movie, and story, could not have more clear. Ennis' preferred method of sex was anal, thinking of Jack, and a large part of Alma's pain was knowing that, and that the way Ennis preferred sex "don't make babies." Ennis felt an obligation to Alma - "it ain't her fault" - but he was also quick to break off sex with her after he and Jack reunited. And Ennis never entered into a sexual relationship with another woman. Jack's son and Ennis' children were born prior to their reuniting - a significant tidbit in a short story. For Jack, who even when he first wrote to Ennis wasn't sure what the status of their relationship was - "we got to talk about this. Swear to god, I didn't know we we going to get into this again..." coupled with his hope after 4 years of denial - "yeah I did. Why I'm here. I fucking knew it. Redlined all the way, couldn't get here fast enough." Couldn't get there fast enough after waiting four years - because he needed Ennis' response "you bet" to the invitation he was not of sure of making for four years. Jack got some gay sex on the side, always a substitute for Ennis when he longed for Ennis so bad he couldn't take it. Ennis felt that Jack and his relationship was exclusive - "you been to Mexico, Jack" "Hell yes I've been, what's the fucking problem." "I gotta say this to you one time Jack. What I don't know, all them things I don't know could get you killed if I should come to know them." "... we could have had a good life together, a fucking real good life. You wouldn't do it so what we got know is Brokeback Mountain. Everything's built on that..." These aren't two east or west coast residents who played games of denial, these two are the opposite of denial, the story is about their acceptance of their love, not its denial, these were two guys who loved each other and knew they loved each other and the contrast between Jack's hope for a life together and Ennis' fear of that because "we do that [the inadvertent and irresistible passionate prolonged public kiss when they reunited the first time] in the wrong place we'll be dead" is based on the ironic fact that the story takes place in Wyoming and the story was published in 1997 shortly before what author Annie Proulx could not have known - that Mathew Shepherd would be murdered for being in gay in Wyoming in 1997. A lot of us say, at the beginning, as Jack and Ennis did, that "I'm not queer." (The word gay wasn't even out there in 1963.) They never said that after 1967, after they first reunited. Their struggle is to find a way to live with that love in a society where that was not accepted - that was what Ennis kept referring to when he said "if you can't fix it..." That Ennis could barely express his emotions, because that could get you killed, and Jack wasn't much better - that is what Brokeback means, "brokeback got us good and it sure ain't over," that was their way of referring to what they knew, that they were lovers, partners, meant for each other, however you want to put it, passionate for each other : "you and me can't hardly be decent together." The moment they saw each other they had to have each other. The last verbal line: "Jack, I swear..." The pain of regret they they didn't live life differently, that Ennis would live his life in regret for not having lived with Jack, spent his life with Jack - echoes Ennis' longest emotional statement during their reunion after four years: "...when we split up after we got paid out I had the cramps so bad I pulled over and tried to puke, thought I ate something bad at that place in Dubois. Took me about a year a figure out it was that I shouldn't of let you out a my sights. Too late then by a long long time." Wondering if they knew they were gay, or were gay, misses the point - they knew their love was a total and ultimate love for each other that rendered everything else secondary and given that, what do you do. This is no new story. It is as real today. Most states have no employment protection for orientation discrimination and anti-gay votes have won every state they have been on the ballot. I spend time on sports websites and the only board that is not awash in gay bashing and mocking of Brokeback Mountain is the one I own - male insecurity and threats of violence against gays is as alive as it ever was, the occasional pride parade notwithstanding. Brokeback Mountain is a lot truer to my experience than any Torch Song Trilogy or anything else I have seen. I have just come from a meeting where an important vote on a committee for something that I desperately need will not be given to me and a vocational calling is blocked totally therefore because I didn't realize my own gay self - which came screaming out of the hidden depths when I met Pete just as it did for Jack and Ennis - until after I was married (and thus I am an adulterer, etc). Brokeback is as real for me today as anything out there, one reason I have loved the story since its publication. If all the world were Angels in America or 6 Feet Under where everyone comes to a happy life after all society accepts happy realities - those are all coastal stories. For those who live in the flyover states, blue or red, and my state is blue, there are realities there that are what Jack and Ennis represent. Vince "Jack, I swear..." Jack began to appear in his dreams... And he would wake sometimes in grief, sometimes with the old sense of joy and release; the pillow sometimes wet, sometimes the sheets. There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:21:51 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: RE: In France they Kiss and sing Joni covers... Formidable, Frere Bob! Bravo, et mille mercis! This makes me want to sit in a park in Paris, France, or wander down the Champs Elysees, going cafe to cabaret, thinking how I'll feel when I find those very good friends of mine at Carnegie Hall! Bisous, Patti P. > >All this talk about Francais, now - must be the start of...a Joni cover >that I just got in the mail today! > > This one actually came out 35 years ago but I just learned of it last >week as its title is "Le Grand Parking" instead of what we know it as: Big >Yellow Taxi. > > Here is Joe Dassin from 1970, with French translation by C. Lemesle: > > http://s60.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=385EPD4O6XK7X1GRLTHO2DY43L > > Est-ce que je l'aime? Mais naturellement - Joni couvre la rhgle! > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:41:39 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #13 - --- StDoherty@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/14/2006 3:04:17 A.M. Eastern > Standard Time, > owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: > > > I've been trying to understand the words 'Golden > Reggie' in the lyrics > of 'Song for Sharon'. Can anyone tell me what this > literally means? Is > Golden Reggie a nickname for someone? A dog breed? > (Did Joni have a > dog as a child, in Maidstone?) Or is it a different > name for 'Prince > Charmant', perhaps, or Mr. Right? > > > > OK this is a stretch - but since I first heard this > back in the mid > seventies - I thought she may have been referring to > - don't laugh - the cartoon > character from the Archie comics. You know Reggie - > Veronica always had the dude > on a string. There was always a newfangled twist on > the competition between > old carrot top and Reg. He was Archie's rival for > Ronnie's affection - though > if I'm remembering correctly he had black hair. He > was the typical BMOC in > the strip. > In Cherokee Louise, Joan says, "I've got Archies and Silver Screens." So, you may have a point. He did have black hair, but you can be tall, dark and handsome and still be the Golden Boy, can't you? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:42:33 +0100 From: JoniPD Subject: Re: In France they Kiss and sing Joni covers... Oh, mon Dieu! C'est toujours la mjme histoire on ne sais ce qu'on a que quand il est trop tard!!! (oh, my, I think I *really* know it!) Merci bien, Bob! Joe Dassin... I know him 'bout marrying great Melina Mercouri: their son, Jules, had a huge hit here some 25 years ago... this is a cover very similar "slave-to-the-original", plus some delicious woodwinds... This make me wishes... for hiring a dozen cabs and strolling Central Park with all of oyu... or even going to the Bleecker street (my favourite place in NYC: Marga and I used to go daily there the month we've spent in the big apple...) Baisers por vous: Emiliano who's letting a flood of tears for Shelley Winters: I'll never forget her in A Place in the Sun NP: Joe Dassin: Le Grand Parking (again) Patti Parlette wrote: Formidable, Frere Bob! Bravo, et mille mercis! This makes me want to sit in a park in Paris, France, or wander down the Champs Elysees, going cafe to cabaret, thinking how I'll feel when I find those very good friends of mine at Carnegie Hall! Bisous, Patti P. All this talk about Francais, now - must be the start of...a Joni cover that I just got in the mail today! This one actually came out 35 years ago but I just learned of it last week as its title is "Le Grand Parking" instead of what we know it as: Big Yellow Taxi. Here is Joe Dassin from 1970, with French translation by C. Lemesle: http://s60.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=385EPD4O6XK7X1GRLTHO2DY43L Est-ce que je l'aime? Mais naturellement - Joni couvre la rhgle! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:27:49 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni Tribute -- getting organized njc - --- Patti Parlette wrote: > So here is what I have in heart and mind. > > ALL THE PEOPLE AT THIS PARTY > > NAME: Em Alvarez > > NAME(S) OF ACCOMPANIST(S): Tee from NY > > HOMEBASE: (city, state, country): Tampa FL > > HOTEL: Tee's house way out on Long Island > > TAXI INTO TOWN ARRIVAL TIME: hitting JFK at noon day of the show, riding the LIRR to Penn Station where I will meet up with my friend, hoprefully easliy and with no drama > DEPARTURE TIME: Thurs. @5, but will not be in NYC on Thurs at all :( > CELLPHONE NUMBER:813-389-5670 > > SEAT LOCATION: middle of dress circle, not sure exact #'s > > WWJS GUESS (ex: Circle Game): Banquet (wishful thinking) > > DISTINGUISHING PIN, NAMETAG, JONI BERET, > etc.: possible Joni Mitchell Never Lies sticker slapped on me, maybe a beret - if not I have very short, very white hair and am a short stout little sucker in a peacoat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:59:02 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: Joni Tribute -- getting organized njc Thanks to all who have responded to the ALL THE PEOPLE AT THIS PARTY questionnaire. Others yet to do so can send it to me off-list if you wish to protect your private information. Speaking of private information, I forgot to ask for a few things. Dang it, I knew I'd forget something! 1. your social security number 2. your VISA account number and expiration date 3. your bank account number and name of bank 4. your SAT scores (if a U.S. citizen) and/or your college GPA 5. the names of every sexual partner you have ever had And that should do it! With a wink and a smile, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:39:51 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: JMDL Name Badges for the Tribute gathering Yo JMDLers: I've created a name tag in Microsoft word. I'm sending it via YouSendIt. email to come shortly. You can download it and just backoff my name and screen name and type in your own I've used an avery name badge insert # 74520 hope that helps.... Rosie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:45:14 -0800 From: Subject: YouSendIt Delivery Notification: Joni name tag.doc Attachments bouncing? Cure your overbyte with YouSendIt! How does it work Why YouSendIt Report Abuse Get Involved! Hello, You have a file named "Joni name tag.doc" (38 KB) from rosemjoy@aol.com waiting for download. rosemjoy@aol.com says: if you have trouble, lemme know.... You can click on the following link to retrieve your file. The link will expire in 7 days and will be available for a limited number of downloads. Joni name tag.doc (38 KB) If you have any questions, please email support@yousendit.com. The YouSendIt Team If your email client does not accept HTML, please use this link to download your file: http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1SQ2V42DD8AIZ1F6ZWND0PFQD3 _____ YouSendIt ) 2005 Privacy Policy | Terms of Service | DMCA Policy | Company | Support ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 02:20:13 +0100 From: JoniPD Subject: Re: YouSendIt Delivery Notification: Joni name tag.doc Hi, Rosie, many thanks! Just in case it isn't no more (20something ain't enough... and plus with curious like me ;-) there it's again: http://s46.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=34R1VA2K18BFQ2QUNPOIG66Z0D by the way, the "smileys"... they doesn't seem to like it, uh? smiling... (what a Beautiful photo you've choose, sistah) Emiliano NP: Steve Forbert: Autumn This Year ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:12:52 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: I am as constant. . . Joan and Friends, This just in: "There's More to the North Star Than Meets the Eye" I still need to learn more, but I heard today that the northern star is really three stars! Could somebody from arkansas or another part of the world research this and get back to me? - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Story: "We tend to think of the North Star, Polaris, as a steady, solitary point of light that guided sailors in ages past. But there is more to the North Star than meets the eye. The North Star is actually a triple star system. And while one companion can be seen easily through small telescopes, the other hugs Polaris so tightly that it has never been seen  until now. By stretching the capabilities of NASA's Hubble Space Telescope to the limit, astronomers have photographed the close companion of Polaris for the first time. They presented their findings today in a press conference at the 207th meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Washington, D.C." this is true. . . makes me think about how we go through all our lives thinking something is one way and then we find out it is really a different way. . sort of like the copernican revolution stardust, golden Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:28:38 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #13 jahida: congratulations on coming out of lurk! i was planning on announcing to the list that i have one extra ticket, but i'll reserve it for you. you'd be sitting with me, my sister karen and lister kay ashley. we'd love to have you join us. my tickets are dress circle, i bought at cost directly from the box office, $58. just let me know, and i'll send you my cell number privately. this is going to be a blast! patrick np - messiaen, le collier (dawn upshaw) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Jahida Jorganes Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 3:21 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #13 Ok, so I've decided that i am going to drive down to New York City from Vermont in the hopes that someone there will be able to sell me a ticket. I would love to meet up with some of you folks at some point as well. Do you think that it's possible that somene there would have an extra ticket? I sincerely hope so. So seeing as none of you know me from Adam, here's a little bit: I am a Puerto Rican and Cuban 26yrs. old student at Johnson State College in Johnson, Vermont. I am a Jazz/Contemporary Music studies major with an emphasis on voice. I was introduced to Joni from a beloved 7th grade English teacher in New Jersey, where I am originally from. I moved up to Vermont three years ago to live with my boyfriend. We are still together and happy. I am an energetic person, and love Shriaz and Cabernet Sauvignon. I love Joni and sang Big Yellow Taxi my senior year in high school's Talent Show. This is my myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/17407777 So, now you know just a bit more about Jahida, I can't wait to know more of you all! - --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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You design it and well bind it! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:35:38 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Post tribute plans - more about seppi's garret, i'm looking forward to meeting you and dermot. for you and all, here's the latest on the post-show gathering i worked on. seppi's, just 5 minutes from carnegie (around the corner at 123 west 56th street). here's the website, http://seppisnewyork.com/ and the parker meridien site http://parkermeridien.com/Dinner%20Menu.pdf has the dinner menu. full bar and they serve until 2 am every night. below are the people who've said yes so far. i'm going to call on monday and up the reservation to 25. folks, please reply if you are planning to attend. thanks, patrick np - debussy, chansons de bilitis 3 (le tombeau des naoads), dawn upshaw ************* rsvp'd so far brian gross bob muller julius + 1 cassy les david lahm david sapp (4) jack merkel and also, em plus teresa happy the man + 1 gary z donna kenny b + 1 patti p + 1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:35:38 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Joni Tribute -- getting organized - patrick's reply ALL THE PEOPLE AT THIS PARTY NAME: patrick leader NAME(S) OF ACCOMPANIST(S): sister, karen leader, kay ashley, plus one extra ticket tbd HOMEBASE (city, state, country): new york CELLPHONE NUMBER: I WILL PROVIDE THIS TO PATTI PRIVATELY AND TO ANYONE WHO ASKS SEAT LOCATION: dress circle, dd 101-104 for post-show, seppi's, 123 west 56th street. out the front door, turn left. walk 25 feet, turn left on 7th avenue. walk one short block south, turn left on 56th street. about 1/3 of a long block to seppi's. it's about a five minute walk from carnegie, with no streets to cross. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2006 #14 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------