From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #468 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, December 22 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 468 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- navigating THE CITY, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Skype NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: navigating THE CITY, njc [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: navigating THE CITY, njc [Em ] Re: Skype NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: navigating THE CITY, njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: navigating THE CITY, njc [Debra Shea ] Holiday wishes (NJC) ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Holiday wishes (NJC) ["Mark Scott" ] Thumbs down on Magnolia,too NjC ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: navigating THE CITY, njc [Dflahm@aol.com] [none] ["joni" ] Re: navigating THE CITY, njc [Lori Fye ] Spaceship Stardust completes hejira [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: guess the song (joni tribute) [JRMCo1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:07:18 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: navigating THE CITY, njc Just because I am from NY. . . I would like you to know that I know nothing about the big city. . . virtually nothing. . I am from upstate, NY. . ROCHESTER near lake ontario. . . closer to western NY. . we have trees and smaller cities and towns. . .and some hills. . . and well. . . NYC is somewhat foreign to me. .. . It is about 7 hours from my home. . and I have not ventured much (just 3 short days of my life there) . . yes it is exciting and I want to go back soon when I can stay a little longer. . but, let me ask you this. . what do you all think about driving IN the city? We are trying to decide whether to drive through the city, IN THE CITY (I think this is too difficult, with parking and congestion, etc.) or to park on the out skirts and take a train in. . Can you give us the skinny on this? Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:16:02 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Skype NJC Anyone out there use Skype? Comments? mike in barcelona np Sonny Rollins: How Are Things In Glocca Morra? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:17:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: navigating THE CITY, njc hi marianne, as a former-upstate-new-yorker i have to say that i don't enjoy driving in the city at all. it's by no means impossible. it's just very stressful and crazy and i find it's much easier to park and take the train in. my 2 cents, jenny , Marianne Rizzo wrote: Just because I am from NY. . . I would like you to know that I know nothing about the big city. . . virtually nothing. . I am from upstate, NY. . ROCHESTER near lake ontario. . . closer to western NY. . we have trees and smaller cities and towns. . .and some hills. . . and well. . . NYC is somewhat foreign to me. .. . It is about 7 hours from my home. . and I have not ventured much (just 3 short days of my life there) . . yes it is exciting and I want to go back soon when I can stay a little longer. . but, let me ask you this. . what do you all think about driving IN the city? We are trying to decide whether to drive through the city, IN THE CITY (I think this is too difficult, with parking and congestion, etc.) or to park on the out skirts and take a train in. . Can you give us the skinny on this? Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:49:26 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: navigating THE CITY, njc My friend that I'm coming to the show with, she works in Manhattan every day and rides the train in (and lately "walks" too, due to the transit strike). She won't even entertain the idea of driving in. And my suggestion that we stay the night in the city (is that Joni content?) was SQUASHED soundly with cries of "its too expensive to stay in the city!". So we will be riding the rails back out to her house in the depths of Long Island somewhere late at night. Then I hope back into the city the next day, possibly to the Rauschenberg show at the Met. Em - --- Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > hi marianne, as a former-upstate-new-yorker i have to say that i > don't enjoy driving in the city at all. it's by no means > impossible. it's just very stressful and crazy and i find it's much > easier to park and take the train in. my 2 cents, jenny > > > , Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Just because I am from NY. . . > I would like you to know that I know nothing about the big city. . . > virtually nothing. . > > I am from upstate, NY. . > ROCHESTER > near lake ontario. . . > > closer to western NY. . > > we have trees and smaller cities and towns. . .and some hills. . . > > and well. . . NYC is somewhat foreign to me. .. . It is about 7 hours > from > my home. . and I have not ventured much (just 3 short days of my life > there) > . . yes it is exciting and I want to go back soon when I can stay a > little > longer. . > > but, > let me ask you this. . > what do you all think about driving IN the city? > > We are trying to decide whether to drive through the city, IN THE > CITY (I > think this is too difficult, with parking and congestion, etc.) or to > park > on the out skirts and take a train in. . > > Can you give us the skinny on this? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:43:56 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Skype NJC > Anyone out there use Skype? Comments? > mike in barcelona > np Sonny Rollins: How Are Things In Glocca Morra? > I use it to talk to my best friend who has moved to Collobrierres. Works just great. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:08:23 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: navigating THE CITY, njc Hi .... I want to take a taxi..a BIG YELLOW TAXI to the hotel.... I want to kiss the ground of the city when I arrive....of course..I'll cover the ground with wax paper or something before doing so... maybe a taxi to a train.... we will have been traveling so long... oh will we ever find our home again...?? Bree >hi marianne, as a former-upstate-new-yorker i have to say that i don't >enjoy driving in the city at all. it's by no means impossible. it's just >very stressful and crazy and i find it's much easier to park and take the >train in. my 2 cents, jenny > > > , Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Just because I am from NY. . . >I would like you to know that I know nothing about the big city. . . >virtually nothing. . > >I am from upstate, NY. . >ROCHESTER >near lake ontario. . . > >closer to western NY. . > >we have trees and smaller cities and towns. . .and some hills. . . > >and well. . . NYC is somewhat foreign to me. .. . It is about 7 hours from >my home. . and I have not ventured much (just 3 short days of my life >there) >. . yes it is exciting and I want to go back soon when I can stay a little >longer. . > >but, >let me ask you this. . >what do you all think about driving IN the city? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:20:53 -0800 (PST) From: Debra Shea Subject: Re: navigating THE CITY, njc - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Just because I am from NY. . . > I would like you to know that I know nothing about > the big city. . . > virtually nothing. . > > . . . NYC is somewhat foreign to me. .. . > It is about 7 hours from > my home. . That's farther than where I grew up in Virginia. It's only 5 hours to there, even though it feels like it's worlds away. It's hard to believe New York state is so BIG! In addition to my response, I hope someone who's driven in NYC will answer your question. Based on people I know, it seems that if a person is comfortable driving, then driving in the city is easy enough for them and preferable to getting around other ways. I've never driven a car here and haven't driven much since high school so the idea of driving in the city and doing battle with aggressive cabbies and bus drivers is not appealing (unless it would be at 7 am on Sunday morning). And I've been with drivers who are crazed because they can't find a spot to park, and that's really no fun at all. I much prefer taxis or buses or subway, if there's a really long ways to go (although since 9/11 I've stayed out of the subways as much as possible). How about if you drove into the city, and parked in a garage for the duration of your stay, and got around other ways? If you're staying mostly in midtown you can probably walk everywhere. Then you'd only have to deal with driving in and out, and if you can plan to do that during non-rush hours, that shouldn't be difficult. The hotel where you're staying can probably give you some info on garages in the area, and I'll ask people who drive in what garages they use. I don't know what that would cost, but, being Manhattan, it's probably a lot. Bring money, bring lots of money... that's what I tell everyone who comes to visit. Yesterday because of the transit strike I walked to work, a very long ways in the cold, miles and miles, and I passed the Park Central Hotel and because I was cold and because you and others were going to stay there I decided to pop in to see it, so I went into the lobby and can report that it's big, comfortable looking with lots of seating, extremely warm (maybe because the 20 degrees outside was feeling normal), with an art-deco-y black and white tile floor. Nice. The place was crowded with tourists and their luggage. It looked like a lot of people were leaving. This transit strike is hard on everyone, but must really be shocking to people who don't know the city and different ways to maneuver around. The strike will be over by the time you get here (surely it couldn't go on for a month more!) and after Christmas is a quiet time of year so fewer people so a good time to visit. I hope this info is helpful. I'll let you know what I find out about garages and rates. Now it's time to get those walkin' boots on again and trek on out... Debra Shea, in NYC Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:34:19 -0800 (PST) From: Debra Shea Subject: Re: navigating THE CITY, njc - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > I want to take a taxi..a BIG YELLOW TAXI to the > hotel.... > > I want to kiss the ground of the city when I > arrive....of course..I'll cover > the ground with wax paper or something before doing > so... LOL! Go for it, baby! And you may even be able to get a BIG yellow taxi, one of the minvan types being tried out now. Every time I climb up into one I feel like I'm in the 'burbs, especially if we drive through Central Park. > maybe a taxi to a train.... > > we will have been traveling so long... > > oh will we ever find our home again...?? Maybe not. NYC gets into the soul of some people and it becomes such a personal relationship you can't let go! It made sense to me when friends said that losing the Towers felt like a body part was amputated. Not everyone gets hooked, though, especially not on a short hectic (probably stressful because everything's new) visit, so you should be able to escape and find your way home again. Maybe. Debra Shea, not looking forward to another long trudge in the cold Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:59:23 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Holiday wishes (NJC) Dear Joniphiles: As I prepare for our annual winter solstice celebration here tonight, I am sending all my Joni friends here this season's greetings. Here in the US in recent days we see our President assert his right to break the law, we see Alaska's wilderness threatened, we see our civil rights and civil liberties in peril. I hope you will listen to this audience recording of my favorite Christmas song by Jackson Browne performed in Santa Cruz, December 21, 1998. Yousendit link: http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0I3YOMPL4QDQN24A30KI4BVVPL The Rebel Jesus --Jackson Browne All the streets are filled with laughter and light And the music of the season And the merchants' windows are all bright With the faces of the children And the families hurrying to their homes As the sky darkens and freezes They'll be gathering around the hearths and tales Giving thanks for all God's graces And the birth of the rebel Jesus Well they call him by the prince of peace And they call him by the savior And they pray to him upon the seas And in every bold endeavor As they fill his churches with their pride and gold And their faith in him increases But they've turned the nature that I worshipped in From a temple to a robber's den In the words of the rebel Jesus We guard our world with locks and guns And we guard our fine possessions And once a year when Christmas comes We give to our relations And perhaps we give a little to the poor If the generosity should seize us But if any one of us should interfere In the business of why they are poor They get the same as the rebel Jesus But please forgive me if I seem To take the tone of judgment For I've no wish to come between This day and your enjoyment In this life of hardship and of earthly toil We have need for anything that frees us So I bid you pleasure And I bid you cheer From a heathen and a pagan On the side of the rebel Jesus. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:44:33 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Holiday wishes (NJC) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Flynn" > Dear Joniphiles: > > > > As I prepare for our annual winter solstice celebration here tonight, I am > sending all my Joni friends here this season's greetings. I would also like to send out a greeting and hope for blessings on all of us at this time of the Winter Solstice. I don't subscribe to any particular religion but I find beauty in many of the religious celebrations at this time of the year. Since I was raised a Christian, the Christmas tree is something I grew up with and in my adult life buying ornaments and decorating it has become somewhat obsessive with me. I also put lights up on the house and love the idea of colored lights brightening up the long, dark winter nights. I'm sure both of these customs are rooted in pagan traditions that, like so many others, were incorporated into the Christian celebration and I admit, that does have an appeal for me. I love the idea of renewal, the return of the sun and of warmth and light. I love the concept of birth of the idea of love for and the value of every life. I also love the ritual of lighting candles to remind us of how hope can shine its light even in the darkest of times. And of course, there's the music. I haven't bought any new holiday music this year but have been enjoying a few old standbys. Julie Andrews, Maddy Prior, Linda Ronstadt, Emmylou Harris, Joan Baez and Barbra Streisand being among my favorites. Here in the US in > recent days we see our President assert his right to break the law, we see > Alaska's wilderness threatened, we see our civil rights and civil > liberties > in peril. I'm thinking we're starting to see a glimmer of hope that this corrupt administration has seen the last of the days when they can get whatever they want from our congress and our people. I am very proud of Washington Senator Maria Cantwell for leading the fight to get that reprehensible attempt to get the ANWAR drilling passed taken out of the defense spending bill. And Bush isn't getting an automatic rubber stamping of a renewal to the Patriot Act. Finally, I am hoping that his blatant flouting of our laws and civil liberties will be his ultimate undoing. Personally I would like nothing better than to see him impeached and Cheney and the whole lot of scoundrels we have in power ousted and permanently discredited. And that includes Karl Rove. Apologies to our non-US listers for the political content but I felt the need to speak out. I don't do political commentary very often but I am up to my neck with all of the crap and corruption we have in our government right now. Happy Holidays to All! Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:43:58 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Thumbs down on Magnolia,too NjC Jerry, I am so glad to see that someone else hated the film Magnolia. There wasn't a single charcacter in that movie for whom I felt an ounce of empathy. The bleakness and darkness of the film irritated me. And the ending was so lame and pathetic. Aside from an interesting cast, I have no idea why this film attracted so much attention and praise. Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN. Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:35:44 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: sjc, Joni Tribute David wrote: I'M GOING cant believe it - a friend bought me a VIP seat. MS and wheelchairs have prevented travel for ten yrs....so an impossible dream comes true. SO EXCITED to meet JMDL'ers at long last....where's the PARTY? peace, david - ---- David, that is wonderful news! What a dear friend you have -- but of course you must be a dear one *yourself* to inspire such a generous and loving act. Love begets love begets love in the Circle Game. I'm sorry you have had such limited mobility for ten years -- I never knew, because I've never seen (read) you once complain. So I'm thinking: you deserve this night more than anyone. Oh, I am so happy for you! And for all the rest who are going, too. Hey -- that includes me! Night in the City looks pretty to me, Night in the City looks fine! Does anyone want to go to John Lennon's IMAGINE mosaic at Strawberry Fields in Central Park? That, and the Metropolitan Museum of Art, are my top two destinations (after Carnegie Hall, naturellement!). Carnegie Hall! A friend recently joked: "Couldn't they find a better place for a Joni tribute?" I am grateful to Debra and Patrick for the "survival in the city" tips. Thank you! As a country bumpkin, I need and appreciate all the help I can get. And I hope you guys aren't suffering too much w/ the transportation strike right now. I hope that's gonna be fixed up too easy before February 1st! Anticipation building, wishing love and peace to all, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:15:27 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: navigating THE CITY, njc Traffic in NYC now is crazier than ever due to the transit strike. And it's always tough during the year-end holidays. If you can possibly get around without a car, try to do that. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:55:39 -0500 From: "joni" Subject: [none] Please look at this. Wanted you to see before Craigs. Anyone interested and I'll sell for value; otherwise it's out in the wild Blue yonder. Chris https://post.craigslist.org/manage/119832298/suk3f - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:22:59 -0800 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: navigating THE CITY, njc I drove around Manhattan in 1983 in a VW bug, and I thought it was fun. It's a big, big city -- for many, New York is THE city. Anyway, there are big city "traffic thangs" that could annoy or frustrate you when you drive there. It's up to you how much you let them bother you. I say have fun with them! (Is it still illegal to honk your horn unless it's truly necessary?) I also drove through Manhattan with Hell from New Zealand and Willy the Shake from Scotland, after JoniFest 2001. (8 days before 9/11.) I don't remember driving in the city being anything but fun with those two as my passengers. : D Hell snapped a picture of the Empire State building through the open sunroof of my car. We dropped William off near his destination, made a call at a pay phone, and went on our merry way. Oh, I think we drove through Chelsea, too and remarked, "Are we in Chelsea?" On the way home from JoniFest 2003, I drove alone through Manhattan about 5 pm on a weekday -- duh. I drove by the WTC site, where I could barely see through the fence but I could tell people were working. Then I went through the Holland Tunnel. DUH. My advise, ultimately, is ... if the transit strike is over and if you like to drive, DRIVE. Why not? It's an experience. All three of my drives through the Big Apple were in cars with manual transmission, but I like to shift gears. (Next time, I wanna ride a motorcycle.) But don't try to drive (or ride) anything through the Holland Tunnel during rush hour! ; ) *AS FOR SHELTER* ... get thee over to http://newyork.craigslist.org/ and, under the "housing" category, check the "rooms / shared" and "sublets / temporary" offerings. You can also post a notice that you're looking for a place to stay. It's free and you may find what you're looking for. Maybe several of you can get a place together for the weekend. (The SFO version is how I found the place I'm staying presently, and I'm paying $180 to stay in a cozy house in Berkeley for almost an entire month.) You all are going to have a GREAT time! Maybe I should reconsider my decision not to go ... hmm ... Lori, feeling "introspective" or some such hogwash P.S. - I still drive the car I drove during my last two trips to NYC. Now I drive it in San Francisco. You gotta love a stick shift (and a clutch that holds)! NP: Coyote ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:04:00 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Spaceship Stardust completes hejira Comet Mission Set for Return to Earth Second Time NASA Has Tried to Retrieve Material From Space By NED POTTER Dec. 21, 2005 b - For seven years now, the little ship has wandered the inner solar system, working flawlessly despite the extremes of outer space. Its makers have called it Stardust -- inspired partly by a Joni Mitchell song, partly by its mission. Two years ago, it passed through the tail of a comet called Wild 2, gathering the tiny particles of ice and dust that pelted it at thousands of miles an hour. Now comes the final challenge: It must return safely home. In the early hours of Sunday, January 15, Stardust's sample-return capsule will come tearing into Earth's atmosphere at 28,800 miles an hour. Slowed by friction with the air, and then by parachute, it will land on the floor of the Utah desert, at the Dugway Proving Grounds, west of Salt Lake City. Helicopters will follow it in the dark, carefully landing upwind of the little ship. They will carry it to a clean room, where it will be disassembled for shipment to a sealed laboratory in Houston. That's what will happen if all goes well. But as often happens in space exploration, "if" is the key word. This is only the second time since the Apollo moon landings that NASA has tried to bring anything back from deep space. The first time, in 2004, ended in near-disaster. Genesis That probe, called Genesis, also featured a capsule returning to the Utah desert. But instead of wafting down under a parachute, the Genesis sample capsule came tumbling toward the ground at 400 miles an hour. "We do not see a drogue chute. Negative drogue," reported a waiting controller, referring to the parachute that was supposed to slow the craft's reentry. As mission scientists watched helplessly, the capsule crashed in the sand -- the whole event perfectly framed by an automatic long-range tracking camera. "Do you have an altitude?" asked a controller who could not see the pictures. "That's impact, sir," came the irritated reply. "Ground level." After months of painstaking work, scientists could finally identify cosmic particles collected in space and extract them from the wrecked capsule. An investigation concluded that small servos that controlled parachute release had been installed backward, years before when Genesis was assembled. "I think the space business has humbled us occasionally," said Firouz Naderi of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Managers of the Stardust mission felt humble too; their ship, while designed differently, was already in space -- and if it was flawed, there might be no way to fix it. "We went through a very rigorous and extensive process," said Ed Hirst, Stardust's mission system manager, "digging up the blueprints, going through all the testing that was done prelaunch." Hirst and his colleagues were at a news conference to preview the landing. "We're convinced that is not going to happen on Stardust." But, he said, the 100-pound landing capsule is a complicated machine. "Bringing it home for the first time is the only way to test a system like this." Older Than the Sun What can get overlooked, amid the drama of the return, is why Stardust was sent into space in the first place. "Our mission is called Stardust, in part because we believe some of the particles in the comet will, in fact, be older than the sun," said Don Brownlee of the University of Washington, the Principal Investigator for the mission. "Comets may be responsible for bringing the oceans and atmosphere to early Earth," said Andrew Dantzler, who directs Solar System exploration for NASA. It is believed that after the sun and planets formed, the solar system was crowded with comets and other leftover debris, crashing frequently to Earth -- and perhaps carrying the chemical building blocks for life as it exists today. Stardust came within 150 miles of its target comet, passing through its "coma," the cloud of dust and ice that surrounds it. As Brownlee pointed out, the comet has probably been spewing the same material for more than four and a half billion years. Having this material in the lab, scientists say, is well worth the $168 million the mission cost. They will be out in the cold Utah night waiting for their ship, and Tom Duxbury, the project manager, said the streak of the re-entering capsule will be visible up and down the West Coast. "We are coming in," he said, "faster than any man-made object has ever come in before." Copyright B) 2005 ABC News Internet Ventures ______ - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:26:24 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: guess the song (joni tribute) Correction, if I may: "Woodstock." - -Julius, who's sending up his "happy landing" prayer for a spaceship named Stardust. :-) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #468 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)