From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #459 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, December 15 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 459 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: njc: Eugene McCarthy is dead [Lady Isadora ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #352 [ROBMSTEEN@aol.com] Re: Good stuff/Joni & the Goddess [Catherine McKay ] Joni tribute concert in New York at Carnegie Hall, Feb 1 200g [pleader@ny] Re: Joni tribute concert in New York at Carnegie Hall, Feb 1 200g [Jerry ] Re: Joni tribute concert in New York at Carnegie Hall, Feb 1 200g [Cather] Re: Good stuff/Joni & the Goddess [Lady Isadora ] Wow ! Here's hoping ..... ["Music Is Special" Subject: Re: njc: Eugene McCarthy is dead >Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:07:59 -0500 >From: vince >Subject: njc: Eugene McCarthy is dead .... >Words can never convey what his 1968 campaign meant to > give hope that >indeed we could change the world. I know just what you mean. I went around with one of those blue and white Gene McCarthy daisy decals on my hippie handbag, and my friends and I got out and pounded the pavement and canvassed our hearts out for him, and it was SO hopeful and empowering, despite the odds we were up against. So many nowadays have lost that feeling that we can actually make a difference anymore against the Big Boys in power, sigh... note to self: organize SOME kind of street protest against the maniacal machinations of Bush & Buddies ASAP... >I loved this man dearly. Me too. So did a beloved auntie of mine who died just this past summer... over the years she donated lots of her time and money in his various campaigns and causes, and met him several times... I inherited her signed copies of several of his books, and in one of them he had inscribed not only her name, but the epithet "the ultimate volunteer". I can just picture her glowing with typically modest (and probably internally somewhat schoolgirlish) pleasure at THAT :-)... I know she truly cherished that praise from him, and now with these books as keepsakes, I will continue to cherish it for her. Goddess Blessings on your soul, dear Gene. Isadora http://www.ladyisadora.com - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:09:11 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Isadora Subject: Re: Good stuff/Joni & the Goddess Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:01:25 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Good Stuff >Hey everyone, >Oh how I LOVE you all and oh what the Digest means to me! ... >"Anima rising >Queen of Queens >Wash my guilt of Eden >Wash and balance me >Anima rising >Uprising in me tonight >She's a vengeful little goddess >With an ancient crown to fight" >These particular Joni lyrics fell out of my head just >now...can't explain why...thought I'd just share... >Love sent to all.. >Bo Well, I for one was thinking about them yesterday, and planning to post some comments about them soon. :-) As a longtime Goddess religionist/musician and Witch, I was thrilled when Joni came out with this song. "In flames our prophet witches Be polite" Right on, sister! You go, goddess grrl! :-) When I first heard "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow" and pondered its multi-layered insightful lyrics upon its release in 1975, it was obvious to me that whether Joni would call herself by the name Goddess religionist or not at that point, or at any point, she'd been reading some of the same books and considering and probably discussing some of the same issues I'd been involved in for some time already. "He says 'Your notches liberation doll' And he chains me with that serpent To that Ethiopian wall" In a college mythology class a few years before, I had learned there were documentably earlier versions of the Adam and Eve myth, which in any case was never definitive for me as a a creation story, certainly not as literal history... it represents neither my religious orientation nor my own ethnic heritage, so (with all due respect to those for whom it does have literal religious meaning), why should it be definitive? How many people know that in most ancient times, the world over, "God" used to be envisioned as female... that in Hebrew mythology (not that I consider that, however fascinating, to be superior to other mythologies-- it's not and I don't), Eve/Eva/Hawwah used to be a goddess, and that "Adamah" meant "clay"? Somebody seems to have gotten the original story (not to mention the usual human reproductive scheme) a bit backwards, and apparently not by accident... and Joni showed delicious insight into such issues with lyrics like the above cited by Bo, with their reference to "an ancient crown", not to mention "Truth goes up in vapors The steeples lean Winds of change, patriarchs Snug in your Bible Belt dreams God goes up the chimney Like childhood Santa Claus The good slaves love the good book A rebel loves a cause" Pretty strong stuff from our Joan, and being a passionate and opinionated soul myself, strong stuff is just the way I like it! And again, I was already there writing songs and doing Goddess rituals, etc., on those issues, so I was nothing less than thrilled to see her paying such a sensitive and clearly emotional tribute to them. BTW, those of you who are intrigued by the references to Mary in a goddessy context in the final verse of "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow" might be interested in the webpages for the networking organization Our Lady of Spiritual Audacity, co-founded by my daughter Andred and myself. Much to my delight, we're going to have a blurb in Margot Adler's 2006 updated edition of her 1979 neo-Pagan classic, *Drawing Down the Moon*. More info can be found at: http://www.ladyisadora.com/olsa.html "Milk of the Madonna Clandestine He don't let up the sorrow He lies and he cheats It takes a heart like Mary's these days When your man gets weak" Blessed Be, all-- Isadora http://www.ladyisadora.com - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 03:46:03 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Re: Cass' Sisotowbell Lane Works for me, Isadora - very anxious to hear it. Thanks for taking the bait....er, um, I mean CHALLENGE. :~) Bob NP: Radiohead, "Lucky" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:09:29 -0500 From: ROBMSTEEN@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #352 Re: Good stuff That quote from "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow" reminded me of the line elsewhere in that immaculate song that changed my life, or at least my outlook towards the fairer sex, to wit - "You need a heart like Mary these days when your man gets weak." Cultural highlights of 2005 from deepest Cornwall: Kate Bush - Aerial - for being the quite finest album ever made by a British songstress, and for turning ditties about Pi and washing-up into purest art Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run 30th Anniversary edition (mostly for the dvds detailing the tortured gestation of the most romantic boy's-own album ever made and the 1975 Hammersmith Odeon gig that none of us went to because we refused to believe the hype) Bob Dylan - No Direction Home (DVD and CD) - proof that, for three years in the mid-Sixties, a lapsed Jew from the heartlands defined the contradictions of human nature Sufjan Stevens - C'mon Feel The Illinoise - the best album title since "Never Mind The Bollocks..." and evidence of a staggeringly versatile talent Todd Rundgren - Liars - Eighteen months on and the latest offering from Joni's only rival for the title of White Musician of the Rock Era still sounds fresh and daring and relevant and timeless Joni Mitchell - Sex Kills (ripping live versh kindly donated here a coupla weeks back) - has anyone ever written a more withering indictment of mankind's favourite hobby? Not within my earshot The Ashes DVD - it's not often England beat Australia at cricket: this summer's triumph, in fact, was the first such since 1986, so what better way to warm up those wintry weekends than to wallow in that joyous revival Donnie Darko DVD - the director's cut explains much that the original cut, however wondrous it was, left foggy. The best film about morbidity and depression since Harold and Maude Richard Pryor Live In Concert DVD - Hard to imagine the boy resting in peace, sadly - it was those inner demons that fuelled the routines of the most important "comic" of the last 30 years Season's Greetings to all Rob - -- Rob Steen 01326 316289 (h) 07813 668726 (mob) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:44:37 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Good stuff/Joni & the Goddess - --- Lady Isadora wrote: > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:01:25 -0800 (PST) > From: Peep Richman > Subject: Good Stuff > > > > >Hey everyone, > >Oh how I LOVE you all and oh what the Digest means > to me! > ... > >"Anima rising > >Queen of Queens > >Wash my guilt of Eden > >Wash and balance me > >Anima rising > >Uprising in me tonight > >She's a vengeful little goddess > >With an ancient crown to fight" > > >These particular Joni lyrics fell out of my head > just >now...can't explain why...thought I'd just > share... > > >Love sent to all.. > >Bo > > Well, I for one was thinking about them yesterday, > and planning to post some comments about them soon. > :-) > As a longtime Goddess religionist/musician and > Witch, > > > I was thrilled when Joni came out with this song. > [...] > When I first heard "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow" and > pondered its multi-layered insightful lyrics upon > its release in 1975, it was obvious to me that > whether Joni would call herself by the name Goddess > religionist or not at that point, or at any point, > she'd been reading some of the same books and > considering and probably discussing some of the same > issues I'd been involved in for some time already. Hey, everyone, thanks for thinking of me ;-) It should be fairly evident from my choice of user name on this list that that song speaks volumes to me. It is SO full of dense and delicious imagery that can be interpreted in so many ways. I don't know whether Joni has ever called herself a goddess-worshiper, but she certainly has called herself by a ton of religionist-names, and has obviously read, or otherwise learned about, a lot of philosphical, spiritual and possibly theological writings, from native spirituality to Jung and Nietzsche; Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, (and you know, there may be...) I particularly love the lines: "Anima rising, uprising in me tonight. She's a vengeful little goddess with an ancient crown to fight". Those are the words that sprung into my head when I joined this list and the reason for my name. I've always loved smart, sassy, fighter chicks - my idols for a long time. (I remember when I was about 8 or 10 reading a story about Harriet Tubman and the underground railroad. At the time, I thought she had literally built a railroad underground that slaveowners never found out about, and that was so cool, and the fact that she was a woman made it even cooler.) Our Lady of Spiritual Audacity is great - I love that! It's feisty and fun at the same time - yeah, kick-ass women! In particular, I love your pic of the statue of Mary - "The powerful avant-garde Mary statue at Ely Cathedral in England, unfortunately rather unpopular with many churchgoers. Isadora calls Her 'O Mighty Isis!' Mary." As a kid, raised in the Catholic tradition, especially the Irish Catholic tradition, Mother Mary meant more to me than any father, son or Holy Ghost. She was there, she was real, she dressed in blue (apparently) - - and she was always appearing to people. That was interesting, scary and fascinating at the same time. I also want to thank Peep for her reading recommendations. I'm always looking for something to read. Isadora, I read Tom Harpur's column in the Toronto Star regularly. I love what he has to say. His theology is all-embracing, and the connections he makes are wonderful. I know that pisses a lot of people off, but I've always loved making connections between thoughts and beliefs - it's fun and I don't understand why some people fear that, but maybe black and white is just safer for some. I'm going to put in a request for his "The Pagan Christ" at the library, because I've been wanting to read it, but keep forgetting, so thanks for the reminder. On a different, but somewhat related note, because we were talking about reading material as well, may I recommend the novel, "As the crow flies" by Anne-Marie MacDonald, a fellow Canadian and the one who did the introduction to the Joni special on CBC a few years ago (the Canadian TV version of what is a.k.a "Joni Mitchell: a woman of heart and mind" - oh! another song I love to bits!) I've never seen anyone capture the essence of being a young girl of 8 or 9 in such a true way, and I don't think I've cared so much about fictional characters in a long time as I care about the ones in this book - I haven't finished reading it yet. A-M MacD is an absolutely wonderful writer. You can't go wrong reading anything by her. OK, I'm off to clean the oven now - merde alors! as I wait for a guy to come and fix it - the bottom element BLEW the other night and just about caused a fire, scaring the shite out of the kids and me. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:26:11 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Cindy Sheehan SCJoniguy wrote: But you have to give Bush credit - he's found a way to save money as they're now shipping dead soldiers home as "freight" as opposed to having the coffins properly wrapped in a flag and met by color guard: http://www.10news.com/news/5504608/detail.html 'Support our troops' my ass - what a total handjob this debacle has always been and continues to be. It disgusts me more and more every day. Oh, but now he has a "plan for victory" and I suppose Custer thought he had one too. - -------------- Bob, this is utterly disgusting. More Bushit. I am fuming. I even watched the video of the poor parents. This despicable treatment gives the old adage "adding insult to injury" new meaning. Maybe the money they are saving here is being used to fund the Pentagon's ten million dollar marketing campaign to get parents like you and me to encourage our sons to enlist? My outrage builds by the second. "I know no one's going to show me everything", but Cindy told us in her speech last week that "we WANT to see our kid's flag-draped coffins coming home. We WANT to see them and they won't show them." Sorry for the darkness. Now I'll be a bit more positive. Here is a little thing you can do today. Go to http://www.dccc.org/get_involved/petitions/murtha/ to sign Murtha's petition. The video is a good one, too, if you want to get fired up all over again. Love, Patti P. P.S. Here is a nice site for Christmas (or other) shopping: http://www.anothermother.org/peacematerials.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:05:46 -0500 From: pleader@nyc.rr.com Subject: Joni tribute concert in New York at Carnegie Hall, Feb 1 200g hey folks, this is the first i've heard of this. it's a benefit for The Music for Youth Foundation, and the list of possible (unconfirmed) performers is pretty exciting: http://www.musicforyouth.org/joni/index.htm Laurie Anderson Keren Ann Joseph Arthur Tracy Chapman Marc Cohn Judy Collins Cowboy Junkies eels Ben Folds Bebel Gilberto Amy Grant La India Joe Jackson Bettye LeVette Matisyahu Michelle N'degeocello Jimmy Scott Neil Sedaka Suzanne Vega Dar Williams Michelle Williams (of Destiny's Child) & Surprise Guests i think i'm going to go by carnegie this week. patrick np - 'let's get lost' a late night show archived from kcrw.org, my new obsession. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:24:35 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni tribute concert in New York at Carnegie Hall, Feb 1 200g Wow. What a line up. And the inclusion of Jimmy Scott and Betty Levette is a surprise and a delight. It show what a wide range of admirers Joni has. Jerry > hey folks, > > this is the first i've heard of this. it's a benefit for The Music > for Youth Foundation, and the list of possible (unconfirmed) > performers is pretty exciting: > > http://www.musicforyouth.org/joni/index.htm > > Laurie Anderson > Keren Ann > Joseph Arthur > Tracy Chapman > Marc Cohn > Judy Collins > Cowboy Junkies > eels > Ben Folds > Bebel Gilberto > Amy Grant > La India > Joe Jackson > Bettye LeVette > Matisyahu > Michelle N'degeocello > Jimmy Scott > Neil Sedaka > Suzanne Vega > Dar Williams > Michelle Williams (of Destiny's Child) > & Surprise Guests > > i think i'm going to go by carnegie this week. > > patrick > > np - 'let's get lost' a late night show archived from kcrw.org, my new > obsession. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:52:49 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni tribute concert in New York at Carnegie Hall, Feb 1 200g - --- pleader@nyc.rr.com wrote: > hey folks, > > this is the first i've heard of this. it's a > benefit for The Music > for Youth Foundation, and the list of possible > (unconfirmed) > performers is pretty exciting: > Wow! Sounds like a great lineup! I don't suppose you could sneak a recording device in there to share with us, eh? :-D Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:04:22 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Isadora Subject: Re: Good stuff/Joni & the Goddess Catherine McKay wrote: Joni wrote:... > >"Anima rising > >Queen of Queens > >Wash my guilt of Eden > >Wash and balance me > >Anima rising > >Uprising in me tonight > >She's a vengeful little goddess > >With an ancient crown to fight" Isadora wrote:... >>As a longtime Goddess religionist/musician and >>Witch, >>I was thrilled when Joni came out with this song. >> [...] >>When I first heard "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow" and >>pondered its multi-layered insightful lyrics upon >>its release in 1975, it was obvious to me that >>whether Joni would call herself by the name Goddess >>religionist or not at that point, or at any point, >>she'd been reading some of the same books and >>considering and probably discussing some of the same >>issues I'd been involved in for some time already. >Hey, everyone, thanks for thinking of me ;-) Ha, well, actually I *did* notice and like your e-mail address, Catherine, when replying to your post asking me to share how I'd gotten into Joni... but I'm afraid I didn't make any connection with your address in the moment when responding to Bo's quoting of the above-cited Joni lyrics, since I'm just getting to know you, and I have other longtime associations with the phrase "anima rising"... it doesn't even automatically read "Joni" to me, as various Goddess religionists have often used such rather naturally-occurring constructs through the years... but I'm very glad to know someone else on the list has such a strong feeling about it too! >It should be fairly evident from my choice of user >name on this list that that song speaks volumes to me. >It is SO full of dense and delicious imagery that can >be interpreted in so many ways. Dense and delicious... I really like that way of putting it! Hmmm... I don't know as I'd say most of the imagery can be interpreted in "many" ways-- I think there's a lot of pretty straightforward, tell-it-like-it-is wording in such lyrics as the below I cited last time: "Truth goes up in vapors The steeples lean Winds of change patriarchs Snug in your bIble belt dreams God goes up the chimney Like childhood Santa Claus The good slaves love the good book A rebel loves a cause..." With her prior "prophet witches" and "Queen of Queens" references alone, Joni has brought not only one's internal "Anima rising" but the Goddess movement itself right into the heart of the song, and to anyone who's been involved in that movement, it's obvious Joni was sensitively aware of it and its rebels and causes, even if she herself wasn't a labrys-carrying member of it...she did a fantastic job of portraying what goes on in a woman's mind (presumably her own) as she frees her consciousness from the oppression and control of patriarchal religious conditioning to discover the Goddess, not only as an overthrown, anciently-crowned "Queen of Queens" Creatrix figure, but perhaps especially as a force/persona in herself and other women. One doesn't have to be a Goddess-"worshipper" to honor that, of course... Anyway, I would agree that at least some of the lyrics seem multi-layered, as I described them before. For example, the "he" running through the song starts seeming less like one man and more like woman-controlling patriarchal society itself by these words in the last verse: "...He don't let up the sorrow He lies and he cheats.." >I don't know whether Joni has ever called herself a >goddess-worshiper, but she certainly has called >herself by a ton of religionist-names, and has >obviously read, or otherwise learned about, a lot of >philosphical, spiritual and possibly theological >writings, from native spirituality to Jung and >Nietzsche; Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, (and you >know, there may be...) More? ;-) Yes, I have had the impression Joni was up on such matters, though I haven't ever seen her describe herself as a Goddess religionist, per se... >I particularly love the lines: "Anima rising, uprising >in me tonight. She's a vengeful little goddess with an >ancient crown to fight". Those are the words that >sprung into my head when I joined this list and the >reason for my name. Yes... but that "vengeful" stuff does disconcert some men, heh heh... note to self: save the fab & flash new Berserkr Babe outfit for next Hallowe'en... :-) >I've always loved smart, sassy, fighter chicks - my >idols for a long time. Oooh, same here! >(I remember when I was about 8 >or 10 reading a story about Harriet Tubman and the >underground railroad. At the time, I thought she had >literally built a railroad underground that >slaveowners never found out about, and that was so >cool, and the fact that she was a woman made it even >cooler.) Wow, that's a great anecdote... I liked her too. When we had to do biographical reports in grade school, I always picked pioneering women like Amelia Earhart, Elizabeth Blackwell, MD, etc. >Our Lady of Spiritual Audacity is great - I love that! >It's feisty and fun at the same time - yeah, kick-ass >women! Thanks! OLSA herself is Joan of Arc more than anyone... she's a complex and in some ways mysterious figure, and there are various ways to read her, but one thing is certain in my own mind: as you may have gathered if you saw my Heroines subpages for OLSA, it offends the Holy Hel out of me to see Jehanne reduced in some minds from the spiritually audacious real soldier she was to some pious simpering sidelines mascot, or mere banner-carrying cheerleader for the religious institution that so cruelly and cluelessly sentenced her to death for "heresy". Not to mention for other such heinous crimes as the wearing of men's clothes. Rant alert, rant alert!-- but it greatly offends me that it took hundreds of years for the church to decide she was a "saint" after she was burnt alive in great agony and humiliation as a 'heretic". Note to self: don't put away that Berserkr Babe costume just yet after all, aargh... >In particular, I love your pic of the statue of >Mary - "The powerful avant-garde Mary statue at Ely >Cathedral in England, unfortunately rather unpopular >with many churchgoers. Isadora calls Her 'O Mighty >Isis!' Mary." Thanks! Isn't it amazing-- the statue, I mean? >As a kid, raised in the Catholic tradition, especially >the Irish Catholic tradition, Mother Mary meant more >to me than any father, son or Holy Ghost. She was >there, she was real, she dressed in blue (apparently) >- and she was always appearing to people. That was >interesting, scary and fascinating at the same time. I wasn't raised Catholic, but I've always been drawn to Mary. I remember visiting someone's church as a very small child, and seeing a woman dressed like Mary for a nativity pageant, and I saw her in her costume up very close behind the scenes before she went out, and in my tiny little mind, somehow I thought she really WAS Mary. It made quite an impression on me! I don't remember a thing about whoever was playing Joseph or Baby Jesus (probably a doll for the latter). It was all about Mary. She felt like a goddess to me, even though I was too young to have articulated any such theology to myself in so many words as an adult would. But at gut, she was She. ... >Isadora, I read Tom Harpur's column in the Toronto >Star regularly. I love what he has to say. His >theology is all-embracing, and the connections he >makes are wonderful. I know that pisses a lot of >people off, but I've always loved making connections >between thoughts and beliefs - it's fun and I don't >understand why some people fear that, but maybe black >and white is just safer for some. Yup-- just look at the "holy" hornet's nest *The DaVinci Code* has stirred up!! Despite fictional elements (it IS a novel after all) and some errors, there's much that's worthwhile and provocative about that book. It's opened up an amazing amount of dialogue amongst people who apparently otherwise wouldn't yet have been talking about gender and other such controversial issues pertaining to religion and deity. >I'm going to put in >a request for his "The Pagan Christ" at the library, >because I've been wanting to read it, but keep >forgetting, so thanks for the reminder. Sure thing! :-) >On a different, but somewhat related note, because we >were talking about reading material as well, may I >recommend the novel, "As the crow flies" by Anne-Marie >MacDonald, a fellow Canadian and the one who did the >introduction to the Joni special on CBC a few years >ago (the Canadian TV version of what is a.k.a "Joni >Mitchell: a woman of heart and mind" - oh! another >song I love to bits!) ... ... >Catherine >Toronto I really love that song too-- it has such a wonderful rolling rhythm, in addition to great melody and memorable lyrics-- and yes, I'll check out your book recommendation! Thanks! Isadora http://www.ladyisadora.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:39:00 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Isadora Subject: Re: Dizzy Aura's cover of "Pirate of Penance"/ (was Cass' Sisotowbell Lane) Bob Muller wrote: Isadora wrote: >>OK, that settles it! I'll cover the song ASAP on a >>forthcoming album! Or perhaps just record it soon and >>post it for now on my website! :-)> >Works for me, Isadora - very anxious to hear it. Thanks for >taking the bait....er, um, I mean CHALLENGE. :~) >Bob Ha very ha... well, whether challenge or bait, it matters not... I shall endeavour forthwith to rise as Dizzily and Jonily as possible to such momentous occasion! :-) With Inner Pirate Queen in tow, tee hee-- "Dizzy Aura" P.S. Guess I'm still learning the list protocol, but I removed the "NJC" from your header (as well as put in the updated subject) because we've been discussing my covering a Joni song... um, er... doesn't that mean there's Joni content?? ;-) http://www.ladyisadora.com - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:33:05 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni tribute concert in New York at Carnegie Hall, Feb 1 200g Jerry Notaro wrote: > Wow. What a line up. And the inclusion of Jimmy Scott and Betty Levette is a > surprise and a delight. Not to mention Neil Sedaka!!! All idiocy aside, thanks for posting this. I'd like to hear Bebel Gilberto sing "Shades of Scarlett" or maybe "Yvette In English" > > hey folks, > > > > this is the first i've heard of this. it's a benefit for The Music > > for Youth Foundation, and the list of possible (unconfirmed) > > performers is pretty exciting: > > > > http://www.musicforyouth.org/joni/index.htm > > > > Laurie Anderson > > Keren Ann > > Joseph Arthur > > Tracy Chapman > > Marc Cohn > > Judy Collins > > Cowboy Junkies > > eels > > Ben Folds > > Bebel Gilberto > > Amy Grant > > La India > > Joe Jackson > > Bettye LeVette > > Matisyahu > > Michelle N'degeocello > > Jimmy Scott > > Neil Sedaka > > Suzanne Vega > > Dar Williams > > Michelle Williams (of Destiny's Child) > > & Surprise Guests > > > > i think i'm going to go by carnegie this week. > > > > patrick > > > > np - 'let's get lost' a late night show archived from kcrw.org, my new > > obsession. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:49:04 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Isadora Subject: Re: Discovering Joni/Universal Melodic Source? Lady Isadora wrote: >...it wasn't just in being impressed by Joni as Joni that I was >so smitten... it was the overwhelming feeling of deep >personal familiarity of the melodic style that hit me in a >really personal way... a feeling of meeting a musical >sisterspirit. Ooops, I shoulda proofread the above a bit more closely before sending... too much "personal", LOL.. so let me reword that a bit: ...it was the overwhelming feeling of deep personal familiarity with the melodic style that hit me so hard. What do I mean by that? Just that I already "vibrate" to such melodies... they represent me... it's not just that I love and admire them, but that they already feel intensely familiar in a very personal way... that I too can readily write such melodies, in other words... and that's not the experience I have with every melodist whose songs I love. I mean, I have a good ear, but I don't think I could ever compose melodies in John Lennon's "style", for example. I certainly don't set out to sound any certain way when I compose my own melodies-- they just spring full-blown into my head, the "Joni-esque" ones and the non-. So where do melodies come from, anyway? Not that I'm big on the whole glibly New Agey "channeling" thing, per se, and far from it, but nevertheless, sometimes I do wonder if we songwriters really fully "compose" our melodies, or if we receive them from some higher Universal Melodic Source, or whatever part or parts of It that we particularly resonate to.... perhaps because for whatever reasons in our individual beings, we're readily attuned to those certain "frequencies"? When I first heard Tori Amos, for example, the first thing that struck my conscious thought was that she was heavily "influenced" by Kate Bush. Later I got to thinking: what if listening to Kate had merely triggered a reminder or touching-point in Tori of something "out there" that belongs to both of them, and more? Does that make sense? I've read parts of Tori's book *Piece by Piece* (and she's definitely into the Goddess, BTW, I learned, as I kinda suspected), and if I recall correctly, she writes somewhere in the book to the gist that it's a mistake to think a song you write is only from you or is all about you... she seems to feel she IS receiving something bigger than herself. Whereas much as I love Joni's songs, I get the feeling she might NOT feel that way about the songwriting process, although I could be wrong... I do sometimes feel a power higher than myself coming through myself and my voice, especially when improv-ing vocals in a ritual setting, or when I've recorded certain of my particularly Goddessy songs, such as "Isis" on *The Witching Hour* and "Drawing Down the Moon" on *Priestess of the Pentacle* (samples of which for the interested may be found at: http://www.ladyisadora.com/samples.html ). Any other thoughts on this sort of thing? How do you other songwriters out there feel when you're writing/performing your songs? Do they always feel "yours", or do they sometimes feel "received"? Not that it can't be both. Isadora http://www.ladyisadora.com - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:42:06 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: njc, Cindy Sheehan Go to: http://www.dccc.org/get_involved/petitions/murtha/ to sign Murtha's petition.> Thanks for the link Patti - done and done. And once again, Murtha showed up for work today, countering Bush's speech (at least Bush admitted what we've all known for years, that the intelligence he manipulated to drive the invasion was bogus) by saying that the US Military is NOT in the business of nation-building and that we have no business there. I love me some John Murtha. If only more Dems were Murthalicious instead of Lieberman-esque. Bob NP: P.M. Dawn, "Untitled" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:46:57 -0600 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: Wow ! Here's hoping ..... ..........that some of the Joni's shows are included in this incredible find! Music Stash Recalls When Rock Was Young By ETHAN SMITH Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL December 13, 2005; Page B1 Two and a half years ago, a Minneapolis entrepreneur named Bill Sagan spent more than $5 million to buy a treasure trove of rock 'n' roll memorabilia: millions of T-shirts, posters, handbills, photographs, concert tickets and other items from the archives of Bill Graham Presents, the legendary San Francisco rock promoter that virtually invented the modern concert business in the mid 1960s. But what neither Mr. Sagan nor the seller, Clear Channel Communications Inc., realized at the time was that the archives contained an even more valuable bonus: more than 5,000 live audio and video recordings made between 1966 and 1999, featuring artists varying from the Doors to Nirvana. The recordings were made at rock concerts that the late Mr. Graham ran or promoted. They were uncataloged and collecting dust when Mr. Sagan acquired the archive. Today, the 55-year-old Mr. Sagan controls what may be the most important collection of rock memorabilia and recordings ever assembled in one business. Called Wolfgang's Vault -- from Mr. Graham's given name, Wolfgang Grajonca -- the company has a staff of 14, projected sales this year of $3 million, and nearly 20 million separate items in its San Francisco warehouse. Having set up a business selling vintage rock T-shirts and concert posters on the Web, Mr. Sagan is only now turning his attention to the audio and video assets, where he faces a tremendous challenge. He is in the early stages of complex negotiations with artists, their representatives and record labels over the rights to sell the recordings on discs and as downloads. In the meantime, Mr. Sagan plans to begin streaming some of these recordings as Internet radio feeds on his company's Web site, which involves little more than paying royalties to organizations that represent songwriters. The performances, many of which are professionally recorded and extremely high quality, amount to a sweeping, unheard history of rock during its seminal years and beyond. The archives include performances by artists including Bob Dylan, Bob Marley, Pink Floyd, the Who, Tom Petty, Stevie Wonder, the Mahavishnu Orchestra, Emmylou Harris, Aretha Franklin and Tracy Chapman, all of whom played shows put on by Mr. Graham. The are videotapes of early performances by Crosby Stills Nash & Young and from 1978, the Sex Pistols' last show for nearly 20 years, before their reunion in 1996. Though some of the recordings have leaked as bootlegs over the years, they contain some revealing moments that may surprise fans. For example, a recording taken from Led Zeppelin's first U.S. tour, in 1969 -- when the band was opening for Country Joe & the Fish -- finds lead singer Robert Plant displaying little of the rock-god swagger that would eventually become his trademark. Instead, he makes nervous small talk to the audience as guitarist Jimmy Page changes a broken string. I don't know if [Mr. Sagan] really knew exactly how much rich material he had, says Bill Thompson, the longtime manager of Jefferson Airplane and Jefferson Starship, which played Bill Graham events frequently during the heyday of the San Francisco rock scene in the late 1960s and early 1970s. This is a goldmine. Mr. Graham's company mounted more than 35,000 concerts world-wide between its inception in 1966 and its sale, earlier this decade, to Clear Channel, which bought up a number of regional concert promoters during that era. Mr. Sagan bought the archive from Clear Channel, which had little interest in sifting through the thousands of items that were jammed into the company's warehouse. Mr. Sagan and his staff spent their first six months in business doing nothing but organizing and cataloging the vast collection, much of which had been thrown haphazardly in cardboard boxes, and some of which had been damaged in a warehouse fire. Today, on WolfgangsVault.com1, shoppers can find individual tickets to the Yardbirds' July 25, 1967, show at the Fillmore West for $51 each (a $48 markup over the face value). Prints of photographer Joe Sia's blurred shot of a police officer arresting Jim Morrison on stage in New Haven, Conn., go for $550 to $750. Even the Rat Pack gets the collectible treatment: A black faux-tuxedo T-shirt commemorating a 1988 concert starring Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin and Sammy Davis Jr., costs $82. But the music and video recordings are the most intriguing and commercially promising. Mr. Graham's company made the recordings partly for posterity's sake, and, in some cases, for a more base motive: adjacent to the Fillmore West was a restaurant owned by Mr. Graham. Rather than lose customers when concerts started next door, Mr. Graham installed a closed-circuit video system that let diners watch the show live -- and also captured it on videotape. When, or even if, the general public will ever hear or see many of these recordings is unclear, however. The recordings were made legally; Mr. Sagan has a filing cabinet filled with documentation to prove it. But selling them will require various permissions and revenue-sharing deals -- not only with the artists themselves, but often, too, with whatever record label they were signed to at the time of the show, or its corporate successor. In the case of dead performers, permission is required from their families or other heirs. Mr. Sagan's employees have already digitized more than 1,000 audio recordings and sent them to engineers to have the sound quality cleaned up. Now they are in the process of seeking clearances to release the music. Mr. Sagan says he is in active discussions with two major record labels, and believes he is close to a deal for at least some music with one of them, although he declines to name either. Is it easy? he asks. No. But in some cases they're excited as hell they might be able to make some money of old bands. Even with clearances, much of the material in the archives is simply not up to snuff for commercial release. I don't think a large percentage of it will end up on CD, or in any monetized form, says Gavin Haag, who oversees the company's music-licensing efforts. For instance, he adds, there may never be an appetite for dozens of separate concerts by acts like Eddie Money. Mr. Thompson, the Jefferson Airplane manager, says he is in early discussions with Wolfgang's Vault and Sony BMG Music Entertainment to sell the dozens of live recordings made of his clients at Mr. Graham's various venues. Sony BMG, a joint venture of Sony Corp. and Bertelsmann AG, controls the rights to distribute the band's recordings. Sony BMG and Wolfgang's Vault declined to comment on the continuing licensing negotiations. URL for this article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB113443205766020664.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:08:49 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni tribute concert in New York at Carnegie Hall, Feb 1 200g Holy crap, this is going to be some show. I may have to road trip to NYC in February. Laurie Anderson did an incredibly moving "Both Sides Now" at the Wall-to-Wall gig, and some of these folks listed (Ben Folds, MeShell, Joe Jackson) are among my favorites, period. And there's no telling who the "Special Guests" will be! Thanks for the notice on this, Patrick - hope you're healthy & happy these days. Bob NP: They Might Be Giants, "Meet James Ensor" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:15:16 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Dizzy Aura's cover of "Pirate of Penance"/ (was Cass' Sisotowbell Lane) Yes, you're absolutely right, Isadora - sometimes I'll put an NJC there if there's very very little JC. Looks to me like you've got a pretty good handle on all of this. Thanks too for all of your comments about DITS, very informative reading. Now I'm wondering if the Goddess Isadora is related to Joni's Wizard of Is... Bob NP: Don Henley, "River" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:30:00 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Joni=20tribute=20concert=20in=20New=20York =20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?at=20Carnegie=20Hall,=20Feb=201=A0=20200g?= Joni will perform at this tribute concert. One song. And it may be her last public performance ever. This she told me when I spoke to her in San Francisco at the Commonwealth Club on Earth Day this year (March 22). I asked her if she would ever perform again (this was around the time that rumors that she had throat polyps had surfaced). She told me that she would be performing a single song at a children's event, but that she "Didn't have any plans (to perform) beyond that." I got the impression that she was personally involved in the development of the event. Looking at the list of possible performers now, they strike me as musicians that would respond favorably to a personal invitation from the Joan, and few others...but I'm Just speculating now. Thanks for breaking the news, Patrick! I feel a hejira coming on. Suddenly, I'm in a New York state of mind. If you live anywhere near NYC don't dare miss this. You just might live to regret it, Coyote. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:49:04 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Joni at Carnegie Hall Sorry about the subject line snafu on my last post. I'm reposting below. I'm so excited! Just bought my tickets to this Tribute. I got 5th row center for $105 per for me and Gail. Joni Mitchell! Carnegie Hall! Let's do some kind of Jonifest around this, you guys. I'll bring beads from California... - -Julius Joni will perform at this tribute concert. One song. And it may be her last public performance ever. This she told me when I spoke to her in San Francisco at the Commonwealth Club on Earth Day this year (March 22). I asked her if she would ever perform again (this was around the time that rumors that she had throat polyps had surfaced). She told me that she would be performing a single song at a children's event, but that she "Didn't have any plans (to perform) beyond that." I got the impression that she was personally involved in the development of the event. Looking at the list of possible performers now, they strike me as musicians that would respond favorably to a personal invitation from the Joan, and few others...but I'm Just speculating now. Thanks for breaking the news, Patrick! I feel a hejira coming on. Suddenly, I'm in a New York state of mind. If you live anywhere near NYC don't dare miss this. You just might live to regret it, Coyote. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:24:50 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Isadora Subject: Re: Dizzy Aura's cover of "Pirate of Penance"/"Wizard of Is" Bob Muller wrote: Isadora wrote: >>P.S. Guess I'm still learning the list protocol, but I >>removed the "NJC" from your header (as well as put in the >>updated subject) because we've been discussing my >>covering a Joni song... um, er... doesn't that mean there's >>Joni content?? ;-)> >Yes, you're absolutely right, Isadora - sometimes I'll put an >NJC there if there's very very little JC. Looks to me like >you've got a pretty good handle on all of this. Ha, well, perhaps we should have VVLJC or VLJC or just plain LJC notice options then... though I personally think ANY mention of her songs rates a regular JC-- Joni content, that is... ;-) >Thanks too for all of your comments about DITS, very >informative reading. Glad you thought so. And as long as we're on the subject of the above song again, I meant to refer earlier to my especial fondness for the following portion of the lyrics (and the intense feeling with which Joni sang them): "He says 'We walked on the moon You be polite'" Oooh, that's a good one, RJ, on SO many levels, grrl! Brava, bravissima, sistah!! Of course, the moon is sacred in Goddess religion and plays an especially powerful part in the devotions of many Neo-Pagans-- for example in the Maiden, Mother, and Crone aspects of the ancient Triple Goddess, as represented by the waxing, full, and waning phases of the moon. Though I'm very much a solar Witch, not just a lunar one, admittedly I hate the mere thought of all moonwalking defilements by mere mortals, sigh. I guess I shouldn't add "especially if they're men"... after all, in some cultures, the moon has been seen as a god (hence "the Man in the Moon") and the sun as a goddess, instead of the other way round... >Now I'm wondering if the Goddess >Isadora is related to Joni's Wizard of Is... >Bob :-) Aha, you are, are you? Weeeell, *I'll* never tell..... :-) Isadora http://www.ladyisadora.com - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:14:17 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Isadora Subject: Re: Joni & the Goddess/"Milk of the Madonna" Lady Isadora wrote: >Pretty strong stuff from our Joan, and being a passionate and >opinionated soul myself, strong stuff is just the way I like it! And >again, I was already there writing songs and doing Goddess >rituals, etc., on those issues, so I was nothing less than thrilled to >see her paying such a sensitive and clearly emotional tribute to >them. >Joni wrote: >"Milk of the Madonna >Clandestine >He don't let up the sorrow >He lies and he cheats >It takes a heart like Mary's these days >When your man gets weak" Was just browsing a bit on the jmdl website searching for clues to a few semi-arcane abbreviations here ("NP"?? now, I KNOW I should get that, and I keep seeing it in front of song titles, and usually I can guess meanings from initials pretty well, but, uh...!?) and I stumbled instead upon "The Annotated Joni". Just peeked at the entry for "Milk of the Madonna"... and for conversation's sake (and because I used to be a German major back in college, and ALSO because I still kinda like "Blue Nun" after all these years of aging hippiedom, even though I never once managed to knock back 17 glasses of the stuff, heh) I felt strangely moved to comment. Only that while "Liebfraumilch" can be more or less translated as "Milk from the Virgin", as defined in the entry, it actually quite literally translates to "Dearladymilk". Of course, the "Dear Lady" is a reference to Mary, or THE Virgin, in the traditional Christian scheme of things... but for those of you who don't speak German, "Liebfrau" doesn't literally mean "virgin" ("Jungfer"/"Jungfrau"). Especially not in the original ancient meaning, which actually wasn't "sexually chaste woman", but "autonomous woman". Imagine that, huh... Just my little "Diana Trivia" tidbits for the night Whilst standin' at the crossroads, tum te tum... ;-) Dizzy Aura http://www.ladyisadora.com - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #459 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)