From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #451 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, December 7 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 451 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: McGarrigle Christmas Hour -njc [Richard Goldman ] Re: Les' tricks up the lyrics page now njc [Smurf ] Re: Vintage Dawntreader Video Game NJC now [Em ] Re: McGarrigle Christmas Hour -njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: 'River' & candour [Patti Witten ] Hey everybody!!!! [Peep Richman ] Re: Hey everybody!!!! now njc Em perverts the thread again [Em ] Re: Vintage Dawntreader Video Game njc ["Mark Scott" ] Joni Covers, Volume 71 - More Fiddling About [Bob Muller Subject: Re: McGarrigle Christmas Hour -njc It's online in a player format, in its entirety, to listen to. Bottom left of the page: "Listen To This Album" link. http://www.nonesuch.com/Hi_Band/index_frameset2.cfm? pointer=mcgarrigle.jpg ~Richard n.p. The Bens - "Wicked Little Town", Hedwig & The Angry Inch Benefit, "Wig In A Box" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:53:02 +0100 From: JoniPD Subject: Re: NJC Re: Joni Covers, Volume 71 - Fiddling About Hi, Bob! Many Thanks for this!!! Besides your efforts in collecting and assembling all these covers (not to mention your ever Wonderful attitude), you've took the time to upload the stuff to yousendit.com!!! Unfortunately, I was late to join it... and it works no more (it's been a success, I guess) Could some of the people who downloaded it go to www.yousendit.com and upload it again, pleeeease? A Thousand Thanks! (anyway) Happily yours: Emiliano (searching for his favourite shell -"inside you'll hear a sigh / a foggy lullaby"- to spend the holiday season in) NP: Joni: Come to the Sunshine (from that Off The Record compilation that MasterWork Bob assembled some two years ago) Bob Muller wrote: Thanks Catherine - I'm happy to do it if people like it, and I know for every one or two that write about it there's 10 or 20 that will get it and never say a word. It certainly is an easy way to get it all over the world. In another cover-related bit o' trivia, I've finally found our FIRST cover of Sisotowbell Lane, and it's by Cass Elliot no less!! Seems like she recorded the song for her first solo LP but it was not used. And now a solo rarities release has come out and we get to hear it. This should be pretty incredible; Cass was good friends with Joni and had one of the most awesome voices in pop music. http://www.hip-oselect.com/catalogue_cass.asp Bob NP: Joan Osborne, "How Sweet It Is" --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:18:36 +0100 From: JoniPD Subject: Re: "Only Love Can Break Your Heart" njc now Les Irvin wrote: On 12/3/05, JoniPD wrote: http://www.bad-news-beat.org/article.php?sid=1201 Thanks for this link, Emiliano. After a bit of research, I found a much larger excerpt of this - which is from a book called "Hotel California" by Barney Hoskins. The excerpt mainly focuses on David Geffen, but it's a great read and has quite a bit of Joni content as well. http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1373 Les Hi, Les! Oh Oh Oh, Thanks for adding this incredibly interesting excerpt to the Library! (I must admit I do get somewhat lost reading it... too much relationships...) It is, indeed, the source from the one I've found it (and it's from that "Hotel California: Singer-Songwriters and Cocaine Cowboys in the LA Canyons" that Mike and Garret told us about: I must have figured it out) the link I've posted it's from a Neil Young related page: I found it while searching for some comments on the interview on Late Night with Conan O'Brien: a good friend of mine from Zaragoza sent me the DVD of Neil Young's week on Conan; we love it (as much as we love Prairie Wind, by the way), and I took the task for transcribing and translating the funny interview from it, with all these references to "I've had something in the back of my mind..." It's fascinating to see the Library is non-stop increasing (and now it's more easy to search than ever, too!) A Thousand Thanks! Friendly yours: Emiliano NP: Peter, Paul & Mary with Donovan and Smothers Brothers: Day Is Done ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 03:41:53 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Les' tricks up the lyrics page now njc - --- Catherine wrote: > Rectum? I almost killed him! > Ascot? No, just badly bruised. > Harassment? Her ass meant nothing to me. It was her tits I liked! - --Smurf __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL  Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 03:53:39 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC Re: Joni Covers, Volume 71 - Fiddling About Hi Emiliano, I'll be happy to re-send it - I'll take care of it later today and copy you on the email directly so you can snag it. Many thanks for the interest. Happy Tuesday all! Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "All That Heaven Will Allow" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:38:14 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Les' tricks up the lyrics page now njc In a message dated 12/6/2005 6:44:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, smurfadelica@yahoo.com writes: > --- Catherine wrote: > > >Rectum? I almost killed him! > >Ascot? No, just badly bruised. > > > and Bob wrote: > Harassment? Her ass meant nothing to me. It was her > tits I liked! > > --Smurf > Barium? What doctors do to dead patients. Terminal Illness? Getting sick at the airport. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 13:56:27 +0100 From: Karen Marie Espeland Subject: Re: 'River' & candour Thank you, Bob! And thanks to the rest of you for giving me feedback on this. Good to hear that such a phrase didn't cause any scandal back in the early & not-so-innocent seventies. I guess Miss Mitchell's various romantic liaisons were more likely to have provoked raising of eyebrows & labels of 'promiscuity' - and that wouldn't have happened nowadays, as we're so used to serial monogamy. Karen Marie (in pretty cold Oslo) NP 'In The Cold Cold Night' - The White Stripes On 12/5/05, Bob Muller wrote: > Maybe the women in the audience are better able to answer, Karen - but after > the late 60's, what with see-through blouses, an increase in sexuality in > films, books, etc, and the youth culture itself (free love, skinny dipping > at Woodstock, etc), I don't think that this lyric of Joni's in 1971 raised a > lot of eyebrows. > > I didn't hear Blue when it came out - it was many years later. Maybe someone > who heard it when it first came out would have a different response. While > it was VERY powerful and groundbreaking as an album, I just don't have any > recall that these specific lyrics made any parents hold Joni record-burnings > in their local church parking lots. > > Bob > > NP: Graham Parker, "The Madness of Love" > > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Personals > Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. > Lots of someones, actually. Try Yahoo! Personals ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 05:31:50 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Vintage Dawntreader Video Game NJC now wow! those are ancient! Apple II! do you still have one up and running that old? very cool....wonder if those games would even play on a newer system. Wonder what the system was even CALLED wayyyyyyy back then? I started on an Apple so old it had only a real small black and white screen, then at a new job, worked on a IIci, also grayscale (or as I accidentally said to 2 young men in our lobby the other day, "gayscale" ....oops), then finally into the Power Mac era. But it always makes me happy to hear of people still using the oldies. Those early Macs were built like the proverbial "brick sh_thouse". :) Em - --- mia ortlieb wrote: > I was researching Ebay to get some idea if I could fetch anything for > an old > vintage apple computer, and I came across this vintage Dawntreader > video > game (based on the C.S. Lewis story): > > http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Apple-II-Commodore-64-Computer-Game-System-Narnia_W0QQitemZ8733571036QQcategoryZ80286QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > "You are at the helm of the good ship Dawn Treader in an ocean full > of > hazards. You must survive encounters with storms, hurricanes and sea > > serpents to reach the islands on which you'll thrill to adventure > with a > dragon, invisible one legged creatures and other surprises. Your > voyage to > Aslan's country and World's End will be filled with sub-adventures in > which > you'll use adventure cards and dice." > > I thought I heard somewhere that C.S. Lewis did not want his stories > to be > on the big screen. I wonder how he would feel about video games? > This game > kinda looks like PacMan, but I suppose alot of those old games are > similar. > Fun to look at though, for the nostalgia. > > Mia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:01:36 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: McGarrigle Christmas Hour -njc I've often posted that The McGarrigle Family Hour is one of my favorite cd's. They created a similar cd for Christmas, though a little slicker this time. Quickly jumped to the top of my Christmas cd list, though not past The Roches, which is still at the VERY top. The quality of the streaming on the Nonesuch site is remarkable. Jerry > It's online in a player format, in its entirety, to listen to. > Bottom left of the page: "Listen To This Album" link. > http://www.nonesuch.com/Hi_Band/index_frameset2.cfm? > pointer=mcgarrigle.jpg > > ~Richard > n.p. The Bens - "Wicked Little Town", Hedwig & The Angry Inch > Benefit, "Wig In A Box" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:23:08 -0500 From: Patti Witten Subject: Re: 'River' & candour Bob wrote: > I didn't hear Blue when it came out - it was many years later. Maybe someone > who heard it when it first came out would have a different response. While it > was VERY powerful and groundbreaking as an album, I just don't have any recall > that these specific lyrics made any parents hold Joni record-burnings in their > local church parking lots. My middle class, educated, New England parents certainly didn't. I was 13 when Blue came out and while I don't remember actually buying the record I do remember poring over the cover and obsessively playing it on my "record player," alone in my room, for hours. When I got the songbook some time later, I spent hours and hours with it as well. To my 13-year old sensibilities, the lyric gave me to understand that as a grown up lady it was acceptable and meaningful to be candid about one's romantic relationships. Lots of info in this song: multiple relationships are ok; leaving you're man for your own freedom is ok; still loving him, desiring him was ok; being honest about it is ok; and more. It was not shocking, it was revolutionary, in a quiet, one-on-one kind of way. I adore this song. Patti - -- http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:22:33 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Hey everybody!!!! Snowed about six inches here and it's gorgeous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wanted to write about the meaning of lyrics..... I remember, so well, anticipating when I knew Joni was coming out with a new ALBUM...date me....but, I listened first to her incredible growth, as she explored something new in each CD......date me....I had fleeting images of what Joni may have meant personally by writing particular lyrics....but I related the lyrics to what was happening to me in my life at the time. Selfish???? Soothing????? Helpful!!!! I remember teaching a gentleman on parole (for murder...a few other goodies) how to read singing Joni for him and having him follow along with the written lyrics. "Edith And The Kingpin" really blew his mind. "You know what 'Edith' is Bo?"....REALLY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Bars in her head"....I sang it, "bars around you!!!!"...and to this day I remember this gorgeous human (okay, he had a few problems) actually realized he could read when he realized I changed the lyrics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "gee, Bo, come on over to The Big House and you can sing Joni and teach so many guys to read".....one point here is this guy found profound meaning in Joni's lyrics....so far from what I think she could possibly have meant. We engaged in such intense philosophical discussions.....he was SOOOOO offened "The Boho Dance"..."with negro affectations"....."Jesus was a beggar"...."Like a priest with a pornographic watch"......"Hey...you murder some people...other "little" goodies...stick with your mojo, man!"....But we learned so much from one another. When he left the program....had ONE phone call to make...he called me..."You didn't fail, Phyl. And, hey lady....thanks for Joni!!!! She'll pull me through!!!!!" Never heard from him again and hard as I tried, I could never find him. But he, in his way, found Joni....I know he looks at both sides now...then..... Gee, rambling me. Sorry. Love to you all. Bo - --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:42:20 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Hey everybody!!!! now njc Em perverts the thread again Bo, will you be my Melfi? :) Em - --- Peep Richman wrote: > I remember teaching a gentleman on parole (for murder...a few other > goodies) how to read singing Joni for him and having him follow along > with the written lyrics. "Edith And The Kingpin" really blew his > mind. "You know what 'Edith' is Bo?"....REALLY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > "Bars in her head"....I sang it, "bars around you!!!!"...and to this > day I remember this gorgeous human (okay, he had a few problems) > actually realized he could read when he realized I changed the > lyrics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "gee, Bo, come on over to The Big > House and you can sing Joni and teach so many guys to read".....one > point here is this guy found profound meaning in Joni's lyrics....so > far from what I think she could possibly have meant. We engaged in > such intense philosophical discussions.....he was SOOOOO offened "The > Boho Dance"..."with negro affectations"....."Jesus was a > beggar"...."Like a priest with a pornographic watch"......"Hey...you > murder some people...other "little" goodies...stick wi! > th your > mojo, man!"....But we learned so much from one another. When he > left the program....had ONE phone call to make...he called me..."You > didn't fail, Phyl. And, hey lady....thanks for Joni!!!! She'll pull > me through!!!!!" > Never heard from him again and hard as I tried, I could never find > him. But he, in his way, found Joni....I know he looks at both sides > now...then..... > Gee, rambling me. > Sorry. > Love to you all. > Bo > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:23:28 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Joni Remix Project >>so, if you are adept at Reason or Cubase, get mixing.<< Hi Mark, Not adept, but trying to be half-adequate. I think I recall you saying you don't know much about Cubase but I can't remember if you know anything about Reason. My question (the first of many I have) is about the general way of working. Imagine I find a track (say a Joni song) which I want to modify, is there a painless (electronic) way to count the beats per minute, apart from physically timing them? Assuming that there is, I guess the next step is to find some loops that fit in with the tempo. Once this is matched up there should be fewer problems, fewer technical problems, more questions of musical taste, what to add, what to cut etc. Is that a reasonable summary of the process? Any advice about the counting thing? That's all for now, mike in bcn NP Dylan: Sally Gal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:02:00 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Vintage Dawntreader Video Game njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "hell" To: "Mark Scott" ; "mia ortlieb" > > I'll probably go see it on the big screen, as I've been a long-time fan of > these books (I still read them now) and while I'm a little annoyed that > they > didn't start with the actual first book in the series (The Magician's > Nephew), I accept their reasoning - that it was better to get people > hooked > first with a well-known title, then they can go about making the rest. > And > I hope they do make all seven! You have made me curious about this, Hell. I read these books as an adult. Never read them until maybe 15 or so years ago. Edward had a paperback boxed set of them. The first book in the set was 'The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe'. I never knew there was any other order to the series and had to do some research to jog my memory about 'The Magician's Nephew'. I was afraid a book had been added at some point that I had somehow missed. The rediscovered, long lost beginning to the Narnia chronicles or something like that. I now remember reading it later in the series and how it explains a lot about the other books. Apparently there is some controversy about in what order the books should be read. In terms of the story's chronology, 'The Magician's Nephew' should come first. However, 'The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe' was the first book in the series that was published. It looks like there are sets of the books that begin with 'The Magician's Nephew' and order the series according to where each book fits into the story's timeline. There are also sets that order them according to the publishing dates, like the set that I read. Here is a link to a pretty good article that discusses the pros and cons of both and has some interesting things to say about reading, how books are presented (or marketed) and how it affects our perception of them: http://www.aslan.demon.co.uk/narnia.htm New Zealand seems to be the land of choice for realizing our visions of idealized fantasy worlds on the big screen. Judging from 'The Lord of the Rings' and the charming personality of our New Zealand JMDL contingency, I myself would love to visit there. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:40:44 +1300 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: Vintage Dawntreader Video Game njc Mark wrote: > Apparently there is some controversy about in what > order the books should be read. In terms of the > story's chronology, 'The Magician's Nephew' > should come first. However, 'The Lion the Witch > and the Wardrobe' was the first book in the > series that was published. It looks like there > are sets of the books that begin with 'The > Magician's Nephew' and order the series according > to where each book fits into the story's > timeline. There are also sets that order them > according to the publishing dates, like the set > that I read. Here is a link to a pretty good > article that discusses the pros and cons of both > and has some interesting things to say about > reading, how books are presented (or marketed) > and how it affects our perception of them: > > http://www.aslan.demon.co.uk/narnia.htm You know, I think I knew that they weren't published in chronological order, but my anal retentive mind always wants to put them that way. I bought them all individually, not in a set, so I've always put them in that order myself. But The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe was the first book I read in the series - which is probably the case for most people. In fact, if I was to be REALLY pedantic about it, I'd complain that you actually CAN'T put them in true chronological order, since The Horse And His Boy actually takes place in the middle of The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe! Interesting article though, and to be honest I didn't realise that The Magician's Nephew was published so late. But that book does tie up a few loose ends, and explains a few things - like the wardrobe, the lamp-post, etc. so I assume C.S. Lewis decided it was a worthwhile addition to the series. > New Zealand seems to be the land of choice for > realizing our visions of idealized fantasy worlds > on the big screen. Judging from 'The Lord of the > Rings' and the charming personality of our New > Zealand JMDL contingency, I myself would love to > visit there. And you (and anyone else) who wants to visit would be more than welcome! I'd advise visiting in February, since that usually has the best weather, but I'm sure you'd cope at other times of the year, since I guess you're probably used to rain, living where you do! Hell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:56:01 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: holiday season / christmas card My number one favorite holiday thang over the years has always been "A Charlie Brown Christmas," and it's on tonight...check your local listings. Shroeder may even cover "River" this year... The Joni-designed Christmas cards are now available for purchase at: http://www.warchild.ca/merchandise_cards.asp Prices are in Canadian dollars. All proceeds go to Warchild services for children. Merry everything, everyone. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 15:32:24 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC A Charlie Brown Christmas And here's a little pop quiz to test your knowledge on A Charlie Brown Christmas. I was surprised that I didn't score a 10/10 as many times as I've seen it, Julius I'm betting on you getting an A+: http://www.factmonster.com/quizzes/cbrown1/1.html Also a nice article with some interesting trivia about it here: http://www.factmonster.com/spot/cbrown1.html I remember always getting to watch this special but missing The Grinch every year because there would always be some conflict, and of course this was LONG before any of them could be recorded. You either saw it or you missed it. Bob NP: Zwan, "Jesus, I/Mary, Star of the Sea" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Let fate take it's course directly to your email. See who's waiting for you Yahoo! Personals ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:48:18 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers, Volume 71 - More Fiddling About Emiliano & others that requested a re-run, here you go - git it while it's HOT and SNAP! you're done with your Holiday shopping: http://s61.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=31BEOGM6IPO1Z2SWE9PWCCM3YN Bob NP: Terry Gonda, "Both Sides Now" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:07:14 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Re: Vintage Dawntreader Video Game NJC now Yep, still got the old Apple II C Plus. And it still works, at least in the Apple Basic language I played around with - not sure about the software as it is scattered around in various duffle bags/boxes/sheds from my son moving around alot. I was all set to sell it six months ago, then Andy (my son) had a kniption and took it with him to his new house. He's a Vintage Guy/Pack Rat combo -- now he's moving again and has no room, so the darn thing is coming back here. This computer has a built in accelerator that makes it run very fast. In fact, if you play a game, you have to go thru a ritual of hitting a series of buttons first to slow down the accelerator, or else the game would be over in about five seconds! Gosh, now I'm feeling nostalgic about the darn thing. And it would be interesting to play the Narnia game. Decisions...decisions.... Mia Em wrote: "wow! those are ancient! Apple II! do you still have one up and running that old? very cool....wonder if those games would even play on a newer system. Wonder what the system was even CALLED wayyyyyyy back then? I started on an Apple so old it had only a real small black and white screen, then at a new job, worked on a IIci, also grayscale (or as I accidentally said to 2 young men in our lobby the other day, "gayscale" ....oops), then finally into the Power Mac era. But it always makes me happy to hear of people still using the oldies. Those early Macs were built like the proverbial "brick sh_thouse". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 22:54:06 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: holiday season, njc A meek person wrote: 2. They act as if the Christian religion is THE ONE that we should honor and cherrish. and she wrote: the meek shall inherit the earth Hi Meek, Taking over the earth are you? Did you know Rush sings your quote in 2112? Rush... from Canada not NY. Cherrish... is that like saying something is red with a little green stem? That brings to my mind the question, "what else haven't you discovered in your yard oh green-tree lover?" I know you cannot tell a lie, but how could you miss the cherry tree in your own backyard? Were you in denial because you don't want to be associated with anything reminding you of a president named George? As for #2, Christianity by whose definition? Our priest was glad they took formal prayer out of the public schools. I'll be glad when In God We Trust comes off the money and into the hearts of those who think they have to start wars to protect themselves. Start wars... Darth Bush... a thousand points of light... I am your father George, you must fight. Love, Laura ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #451 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)