From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #450 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 6 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 450 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: holiday season, njc ["mike pritchard" ] Diana Krall's cover of Black Crow - Live [Jim Ayson ] 'River' & candour [Karen Marie Espeland ] Re: Bonnie Raitt NJC ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Diana Krall's cover of Black Crow - Live [Bob Muller ] RE: my Christmas wishes NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: holiday season, njc [Em ] Re: Diana Krall's cover of Black Crow - Live [Jim Ayson ] Tori Does Circle Game ["Ross, Les" ] Re: holiday season, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] RE: holiday season, njc ["Ross, Les" ] Re: holiday season, njc ["JR" ] Three things and other thoughts [Peep Richman ] Re: "Only Love Can Break Your Heart" [Les Irvin ] RE: chuck Mangione ["Bree Mcdonough" ] holiday season, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: holiday season, njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] re: Joni colors ["c Karma" ] njc, I'm so excited!!! ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: holiday season, njc [Smurf ] Re: holiday season, njc -- my 'river', if you care [Smurf ] Re: holiday season, njc -- my 'river', if you care [Smurf ] Re: Les' tricks up the lyrics page [Bob Muller ] RE: holiday season, njc -- my 'river', if you care ["Kate Bennett" ] Les' tricks up the lyrics page ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Les' tricks up the lyrics page [Bob Muller ] Re: It Stays Pretty Green ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Les' tricks up the lyrics page now njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: holiday season, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: It Stays Pretty Green [Joseph Palis ] Re: Vintage Dawntreader Video Game njc ["Mark Scott" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:21:08 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: holiday season, njc Bree said (or quoted) >>Snowflakes....no two are the same.<< It's a nice thought but how can you possibly know this, or say it believing it to be true? mike in barcelona, feeling popperish this morning np Ani - Little Plastic Castles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:30:34 +0800 From: Jim Ayson Subject: Diana Krall's cover of Black Crow - Live Soeaking of cover versions,... Here is Diana Krall's live version of Joni Mitchell's "Black Crow". Diana's performance here is from a concert DVD recorded live at the Montreal Jazz Festival and is not available on any CD. Here's the link: http://s4.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0M8L6JGRX4G281LI6WFFJHY9CI - - jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:52:31 +0100 From: Karen Marie Espeland Subject: 'River' & candour Hi! I still wonder whether 'He loved me so naughty/Made me weak in the knees' was considered promiscuous in 1971. Unfortunately, I wasn't born back then, so, maybe some of you, who were alive and kicking then, can tell me if it was "shocking" at the time to be so sexually frank (for a woman) in song-lyrics? Candour and authenticity were ideals for songwriters at the time - but was such a phrase still surprising 35 years ago? All the best, Karen Marie npimh: "Naughty Girls Need Love Too", Samantha Fox ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:41:38 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Bonnie Raitt NJC Cassy wrote: > This morning I rose early enough to catch a wonderful performance by Bonnie > Raitt on Direct TV's "Freeview". She was showcasing her new CD "Souls Alike" > I was especially impressed with her live duet with Stevie Wonder and didn't > realize he had tapped her talent for his own new CD. Sounds like they're showing her wonderful "Sessions @ aol" sessions, which I discovered a while back - on my Winamp player's video section - which you should be able to watch (if you have a reasonable connection) on the aol music site at http://snipurl.com/bonnie_video That jam with Stevie Wonder on 'I Wish' is just sublime (for me) as is the duet with Jackson on 'World in Motion' and, from her new album (and I reckon a much better version of) 'I Don't Want Anything To Change', duetting with Maia Sharp, who wrote the song and who also has such a great voice that seems to fit perfectly with Bonnie's . I remember reading about her first on the jmdl a couple of years ago after Kakki saw her in a small LA club - and here she is now touring the world with Bonnie - sweet dreams are made of this! I also really love this 'live in studio' version of 'I Will Not Be Broken' which, I read somewhere, should be to Bonnie what 'My Way' was to Sinatra. very best to all PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 03:21:13 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Diana Krall's cover of Black Crow - Live Hi Jim, Hey, thanks a ton for doing that - I was aware of this live version, and even came real close to picking up this DVD to get it and add to the collection but I held off. Diana's really great, but if this DVD is similar to her Paris DVD, she suffers from a total lack of charisma/stage presence. Bob NP: Diana Krall, "Black Crow" (live) Happy Monday everybody! - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Skip the bars and set-ups and start using Yahoo! Personals for free ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 03:28:16 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: 'River' & candour Maybe the women in the audience are better able to answer, Karen - but after the late 60's, what with see-through blouses, an increase in sexuality in films, books, etc, and the youth culture itself (free love, skinny dipping at Woodstock, etc), I don't think that this lyric of Joni's in 1971 raised a lot of eyebrows. I didn't hear Blue when it came out - it was many years later. Maybe someone who heard it when it first came out would have a different response. While it was VERY powerful and groundbreaking as an album, I just don't have any recall that these specific lyrics made any parents hold Joni record-burnings in their local church parking lots. Bob NP: Graham Parker, "The Madness of Love" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Try Yahoo! Personals ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 06:36:21 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: my Christmas wishes NJC About as promising as me being invited to a Cindy Sheehan luncheon. Bree >Laura Love produces and arranges Ferron's new album >Laura Love produces and arranges The Roches new album >what are the odds? >Em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:41:14 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: 'River' & candour - --- Karen Marie Espeland: > I still wonder whether 'He loved me so naughty/Made > me weak in the > knees' was considered promiscuous in 1971. > Unfortunately, I wasn't > born back then, so, maybe some of you, who were > alive and kicking > then, can tell me if it was "shocking" at the time > to be so sexually > frank (for a woman) in song-lyrics? 'Promiscuous' isn't the right word because that would have meant singing "THEY loved me so naughty, THEY made me weak in the knees." I don't think 'shocking' is the word, either. Maybe 'risque' is closer to what people might have thought about those words in '71. The phrase "weak in the knees" is often used to describe romantic or sexual attraction, but Joni was the first one I ever heard pair that phrase with being loved 'naughty'. - --Smurf __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL  Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 05:34:11 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: holiday season, njc welcome to my world, Smurf.... ;) Em ps: actually the fish - --- Smurf wrote: > > > --- Em claims she's: > > > 2. getting together for an evening sometime prior to > > the Christmas Eve > > shindig to make our oddball cuban Christmas > > foodstuffs with my mom, my > > aunt and 90 year old grandmother.... mullet, for > > instance. > > The four of you expect people to eat a tacky hairdo? > That is just so weird, Em. > > --Smurf > > > > __________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:38:46 +0800 From: Jim Ayson Subject: Re: Diana Krall's cover of Black Crow - Live On 12/5/05, Bob Muller wrote: > Diana's really great, but if this DVD is similar to her Paris DVD, she > suffers from a total lack of charisma/stage presence. Hmmm - she's hardly a Beyonce, but she does play a mean jazz piano. That should be enough for some people :-) - - jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:06:08 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: holiday season, njc Bob wrote: 1. When it's over 2. When it's done 3. When it's finished Well said Bob, my feelings exactly. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:12:29 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Tori Does Circle Game ...has it been reported here that Tori Amos does Circle Game on her about-to-be-released Official Live Bootleg Uber-compilation? Maybe this is old news but it's new news to me. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:13:34 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Re: holiday season, njc - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Deb Messling >And here's three things I detest: >The annual carping from the right wing about the alleged liberal conspiracy >against Christmas Hi Deb, You know, this is starting to bug me. Two things: 1. They are creating more out of this than exists. And 2. They act as if the Christian religion is THE ONE that we should honor and cherrish. What is this thing called separation of church and state? What is it???? Does it exist or not? They use the constitution when they want to stand up for gun laws. . and then they DIsCARd what they do not find useful. . Yes it is the gop. . . the goop fiscal conservativism, what is that? not a gop thing. . only when you can tax cut the rich. . . gop gop gop sinkiing down. . .. drip drip all be merry the meek shall inherit the earth _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:26:19 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: RE: holiday season, njc For me it's 1. Driving to the Airport 2. Flying somewhere well south of this latitude. 3. Staying the hell away from Christmas (and it better be damned warm!) til it's over. Les (bah humbug) in London Bob wrote: 1. When it's over 2. When it's done 3. When it's finished ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:33:22 -0500 From: "JR" Subject: Re: holiday season, njc > the meek shall inherit the earth Or, as Frank Zappa said: "The meek shall inherit the earth, but not until after the strong are done with it, by which time it won't be worth a f#$&k." JR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:05:31 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Three things and other thoughts Hey all, For Marrianne....it's a shame it doesn't happen more consistently, but this is the time of year many people are more likely to contribute to a charity; I'd like to think that many more people are experiencing happy times with family and friends than those who aren't; that every psychotherapist (myself sooo included) gets through the season helping people ENOUGH so there aren't any suicides. Has anyone heard Anna Malik's "Wreck of the Day"? What do you think of her???? I'd love to see the Direct TV piece with Bonnie Raitt...do you happen to know if cable has it? I've looked at life from both sides now..... Bo - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Let fate take it's course directly to your email. See who's waiting for you Yahoo! Personals ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:17:00 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: "Only Love Can Break Your Heart" On 12/3/05, JoniPD wrote: > > http://www.bad-news-beat.org/article.php?sid=1201 Thanks for this link, Emiliano. After a bit of research, I found a much larger excerpt of this - which is from a book called "Hotel California" by Barney Hoskins. The excerpt mainly focuses on David Geffen, but it's a great read and has quite a bit of Joni content as well. http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1373 Les ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:02:22 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: chuck Mangione I'm not familiar with Ester Satterfield. I remember seeing Chuck Mangione on a lot of entertainment shows..Merv Griffin comes to mind ..in the 70's. He reminded me of Paul Williams with a beard. He's very personable. Yeah..I'll check them out if I see they are playing around here. I hope all's well for you in Dayton....Lama. Bree >(Bree, did you ever see Ester Satterfield or Chuck Mangione in >Rain-chester, >NY? It's a long way from Joni but lots of his stuff was okay in my book.) > >All the best, >Jim > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:10:46 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: holiday season, njc My favorite part is the lights too & my favorite song is also oh holy night which I often sing kind of folk rock style with my guitar if I'm playing somewhere during the season... he other part I like is seeing friends & family & i try to ignore all the crass commercialism & enjoy the parts that relate to the earth & season change which is why I love the lights because as the days get shorter & darker we humans put up lights... but of course I live in a very warm environment where it stays pretty green & so don't have to deal with all the harsh weather... Speaking of skating away on a river I recently googled the map with satellite my old hometown & could look down on the river I used to skate on... if you go to google maps & put in Blue Mill Rd, Morristown, NJ 07960 you can see Silver Lake! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:28:17 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: holiday season, njc Mike.... It's funny you should ask this because as the snow was falling yesterday..I said to Marianne..we were outside.."How do we know that no two snowflakes are the same?" She said we just do. I went on to say that I guess a group of scientists at sometime took random scoops of snow from all around the world and put them to the test. Out of all of these ...no two were the same....sort of like fingerprints. But ..yes..it's a nice thing to believe. Bree Bree said (or quoted) > > >>Snowflakes....no two are the same.<< > >It's a nice thought but how can you possibly know this, or say it believing >it >to be true? > >mike in barcelona, feeling popperish this morning > >np Ani - Little Plastic Castles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:33:44 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Joni colors My two favorites, probably polar opposites: EXXON BLUE and RADIATION ROSE. CC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:40:12 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: njc, I'm so excited!!! Patti I am so excited for you & I can't think of anyone I'd rather see have dinner with Cindy than you! If it is appropriate, please share your own story (about your son & tossing his mail etc) as I think it is compelling. As far as what I'd want to share with her well I guess that I admire her so much for turning her grief into positive action. She is making a huge difference & she speaks for me. She is so courageous to stand up to this very corrupt administration & I hope she will have the energy & desire to keep at it until the troops come home. I think she is a modern day Rosa Parks. And please, ask her what she needs from us. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 10:45:12 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: RE: holiday season, njc My question about no two snowflakes being the same has always been: Are any two ANYTHING the exactly same? Also, Bree, there was a man who made the study of snowflakes his life's work and there was a book and PBS (I think) documentary about him. I've forgotten the name of it, but if anyone knows, it's well worth checking out. I think I once saw a website devoted to him, too. --Bob Bree Mcdonough wrote: Mike.... It's funny you should ask this because as the snow was falling yesterday..I said to Marianne..we were outside.."How do we know that no two snowflakes are the same?" She said we just do. I went on to say that I guess a group of scientists at sometime took random scoops of snow from all around the world and put them to the test. Out of all of these ...no two were the same....sort of like fingerprints. But ..yes..it's a nice thing to believe. Bree Bree said (or quoted) > > >>Snowflakes....no two are the same.<< > >It's a nice thought but how can you possibly know this, or say it believing >it >to be true? > >mike in barcelona, feeling popperish this morning > >np Ani - Little Plastic Castles - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:04:59 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: holiday season, njc -- my 'river', if you care Go to http://maps.google.com/ and put in 0liver Rd 02178. Click on Satellite and you'll see two bodies of water: Spy Pond and Little Spy Pond. The smaller one is the pond my family lived on, and the one I used to skate away on. Towards the upper right side of the pond is an access ramp to Route 2. That was built in the mid- to late-60s. They took away my best friend's house by eminent domain to build that ramp. There also used to be a skating rink there, so I had a choice of skating on the pond or at the rink next to it if the pond wasn't frozen enough to skate on. I loooove the Google Satellite feature. And I hate the fact that it's nearly impossible around here these days to find a rink to skate in, since all the rinks are now closed 90% of the time for kids' activites like hockey and figure skating. Oh well, guess I'll stick to the (indoor) public swimming pool . . . --Smurf, who's wishing for a holiday on ice! Kate wrote: go to google maps & put in Blue Mill Rd, Morristown, NJ 07960 you can see Silver Lake! - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:10:27 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: impact of "lovely" LA on Joni LA has served Joni well in a few ways. She likes warm weather. Her real estate has proven a good investment. She has stayed close-by and in the same time zone as many of her business deals. She has gone to some pretty hot parties and kept tight with other contemporary musicians. I privately have been rooting for her to flip LA the bird on her way to Vancouver or Toronto and not look back. There's a portion of "Paprika Plains" where she returns to her lover back inside the club. He's drunk and drugged. I've always thought that rather than indicate whirling circles on the dancefloor, the music that followed Guerin's explosive drum thunder was a score following her various modes of transport to an open space she called her own a million light years from Nucleus Nuance, the LA club that might have been depicted. In the visual that plays through my mind, the last frame of film looks a lot like the scene right before the Intermission in "Gone With The Wind." A shade of Scarlet, conquering. CC "I'm gonna make a lot of money then I'm gonna quit this crazy scene." -- JM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:21:40 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: holiday season, njc -- my 'river', if you care Oops. Sorry. It's oliver rd 02478 . . . Believe it or not, the PO changed my hometown's ZIP a couple of years ago. --Smurf Smurf wrote: Go to http://maps.google.com/ and put in 0liver Rd 02178. Click on Satellite and you'll see two bodies of water: Spy Pond and Little Spy Pond. The smaller one is the pond my family lived on, and the one I used to skate away on. Towards the upper right side of the pond is an access ramp to Route 2. That was built in the mid- to late-60s. They took away my best friend's house by eminent domain to build that ramp. There also used to be a skating rink there, so I had a choice of skating on the pond or at the rink next to it if the pond wasn't frozen enough to skate on. I loooove the Google Satellite feature. And I hate the fact that it's nearly impossible around here these days to find a rink to skate in, since all the rinks are now closed 90% of the time for kids' activites like hockey and figure skating. Oh well, guess I'll stick to the (indoor) public swimming pool . . . - --Smurf, who's wishing for a holiday on ice! Kate wrote: go to google maps & put in Blue Mill Rd, Morristown, NJ 07960 you can see Silver Lake! - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:56:46 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: holiday season, njc -- my 'river', if you care ohhh, thats wild! I wish it would go a couple clicks closer! Em - --- Smurf wrote: > Oops. Sorry. It's oliver rd 02478 . . . > > Believe it or not, the PO changed my hometown's ZIP a couple of > years ago. > > --Smurf > > Smurf wrote: > Go to http://maps.google.com/ and put in 0liver Rd 02178. Click on > Satellite and you'll see two bodies of water: Spy Pond and Little Spy > Pond. The smaller one is the pond my family lived on, and the one I > used to skate away on. Towards the upper right side of the pond is an > access ramp to Route 2. That was built in the mid- to late-60s. They > took away my best friend's house by eminent domain to build that > ramp. There also used to be a skating rink there, so I had a choice > of skating on the pond or at the rink next to it if the pond wasn't > frozen enough to skate on. > > I loooove the Google Satellite feature. > > And I hate the fact that it's nearly impossible around here these > days to find a rink to skate in, since all the rinks are now closed > 90% of the time for kids' activites like hockey and figure skating. > Oh well, guess I'll stick to the (indoor) public swimming pool . . . > > --Smurf, who's wishing for a holiday on ice! > > > Kate wrote: > go to google maps & put in Blue Mill Rd, Morristown, NJ 07960 > you can see Silver Lake! > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Shopping > Find Great Deals on Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Shopping > Find Great Deals on Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:07:53 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Les' tricks up the lyrics page Has anyone else noticed the lyric page for "The Last Time I Saw Richard", lately? The boss silently put up something cool. http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/song.cfm?id=TheLastTimeISawRichard Joni spelled coffee pot "perculator", exactly as she pronounced it. Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:10:37 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Re: It Stays Pretty Green Okay, that would be me. I was full of hot air when I said she meant both. I agree with (Kate in SK?) who thought Joni was speaking loosely, colloquially. The line before it tips her hand b/c she's not using proper grammar. >>>It don't snow here>>> >>>It stays pretty green>>> Ya know, the flowery phase was over: >>>Varnished weeds in window jars>>> >>>Tarnished beads on tapestries>>> She was shaking the literary dust off around that time. >>>Win your medals>>> >>>Push your papers>>> Repentant but not apologetic, Jim L'Hommedieu Mark in Seattle said in part, >I'm always a little bit suspicious when people start talking about an artist's intentions regarding the meaning of their work although I have learned over my years as a JMDLer not to put hard and fast interpretations on Joni's lyrics. People start to talk about layers of meaning and the intentional use of a word of phrase to imply more than one thing and I have to wonder if the artist truly thought about that when they wrote or painted the piece or if it's just what the listener or viewer projects into it.> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:50:34 -0600 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: It Stays Pretty Green > Mark in Seattle said in part, >>I'm always a little bit suspicious when people start >>talking about an > artist's intentions regarding the meaning of their work >although I have > learned over my years as a JMDLer not to put hard and >fast interpretations > on Joni's lyrics. People start to talk about layers of >meaning and the > intentional use of a word of phrase to imply more than >one thing and I have > to wonder if the artist truly thought about that when >they wrote or painted > the piece or if it's just what the listener or viewer >projects into it.> For my money, it's just about as interesting--sometimes more so--to hear what other listeners think. To me there is Joni's meaning, and the listener's meaning. Granted Joni's meaning is of interest to a larger number of people than each individual listener's, but those individual interpretations just add to the richness of the piece. I mean, when I listen to For the Roses, I don't think about James Taylor or Graham Nash, I think about what the lyrics mean to me. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:26:19 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Les' tricks up the lyrics page Way cool, Jim (and Les). Thanks for that. Bob NP: The Smiths, "Ask" "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" wrote: Has anyone else noticed the lyric page for "The Last Time I Saw Richard", lately? The boss silently put up something cool. http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/song.cfm?id=TheLastTimeISawRichard Joni spelled coffee pot "perculator", exactly as she pronounced it. Jim L'Hommedieu - --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:33:47 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: holiday season, njc -- my 'river', if you care I care! Very cool smurf, how great to live right on the pond. isn't it funny how the rivers & ponds look from above- almost black. I LOVE google maps & confess to spending way too much time flying over my old stomping grounds. exploring the same routes where I used to ride my bicycle or my horse. I flew over my house that I grew up in & the house of my best friend & the house of my boyfriend! PS major congrats on your years of abstinence from booze & smokes. I remember when you first quit & can't believe the time has flown by so fast!! >Go to http://maps.google.com/ and put in 0liver Rd 02178. Click on Satellite and you'll see two bodies of water: Spy Pond and Little Spy Pond. The smaller one is the pond my family lived on, and the one I used to skate away on. Towards the upper right side of the pond is an access ramp to Route 2. That was built in the mid- to late-60s. They took away my best friend's house by eminent domain to build that ramp. There also used to be a skating rink there, so I had a choice of skating on the pond or at the rink next to it if the pond wasn't frozen enough to skate on. < ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:35:11 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Diana Krall's cover of Black Crow - Live NJC Don't get me wrong Jim...I think Diana's REAL easy on the eye - I wasn't referring to beauty per se, but stage presence. When I watched the Paris DVD, I was amazed, almost embarrased, in fact, to watch her flounder whenever she was trying to connect with the audience - once she started playing and/or singing, different story. She is an amazing player to be sure and you could clearly see that she was very confident doing that. Bob NP: The Cure, "10:15 Saturday Night" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Let fate take it's course directly to your email. See who's waiting for you Yahoo! Personals ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:40:18 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Tori Does Circle Game No, but she did release this show earlier this year by itself. This time 'round it's part of a 12-CD box set. Trying to beat the bootleggers, no doubt. Bob NP: Joni, "Judgement of the Moon & Stars" "Ross, Les" wrote: ...has it been reported here that Tori Amos does Circle Game on her about-to-be-released Official Live Bootleg Uber-compilation? Maybe this is old news but it's new news to me. Les (London) - --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:21:49 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Les' tricks up the lyrics page And don't forget to read my amusing annotations. Richard (who hasn't really changed . . .the house lights are left up bright!) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 6:26 PM To: Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama; JMDL Subject: Re: Les' tricks up the lyrics page Way cool, Jim (and Les). Thanks for that. Bob NP: The Smiths, "Ask" "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" wrote: Has anyone else noticed the lyric page for "The Last Time I Saw Richard", lately? The boss silently put up something cool. http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/song.cfm?id=TheLastTimeISawRichard Joni spelled coffee pot "perculator", exactly as she pronounced it. Jim L'Hommedieu - --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 17:33:45 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Les' tricks up the lyrics page Subject: Re: It Stays Pretty Green - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Flaherty" > For my money, it's just about as interesting--sometimes more so--to hear > what other listeners think. To me there is Joni's meaning, and the > listener's meaning. Granted Joni's meaning is of interest to a larger > number of people than each individual listener's, but those individual > interpretations just add to the richness of the piece. > > I mean, when I listen to For the Roses, I don't think about James Taylor > or Graham Nash, I think about what the lyrics mean to me. You would get no argument from me, Michael. Other people's interpretations often make me look at a lyric in a new way. I don't think about James or Graham when I listen to 'For the Roses' either (well maybe a little about James). I don't think anybody can say for sure what Joni was thinking of when she wrote a song except of course for Joni herself. But it sure is fun to speculate about and always interesting to find out what other people think. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:21:15 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Les' tricks up the lyrics page now njc - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Percoator? I hardly KNEW her! > Rectum? I almost killed him! Ascot? No, just badly bruised. See what you started? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:23:26 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Vintage Dawntreader Video Game I was researching Ebay to get some idea if I could fetch anything for an old vintage apple computer, and I came across this vintage Dawntreader video game (based on the C.S. Lewis story): http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Apple-II-Commodore-64-Computer-Game-System-Narnia_W0QQitemZ8733571036QQcategoryZ80286QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem "You are at the helm of the good ship Dawn Treader in an ocean full of hazards. You must survive encounters with storms, hurricanes and sea serpents to reach the islands on which you'll thrill to adventure with a dragon, invisible one legged creatures and other surprises. Your voyage to Aslan's country and World's End will be filled with sub-adventures in which you'll use adventure cards and dice." I thought I heard somewhere that C.S. Lewis did not want his stories to be on the big screen. I wonder how he would feel about video games? This game kinda looks like PacMan, but I suppose alot of those old games are similar. Fun to look at though, for the nostalgia. Mia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:00:56 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: holiday season, njc Deb wrote: And here's three things I detest: The annual carping from the right wing about the alleged liberal conspiracy against Christmas Hi Deb, Who said anything about Christmas? This thread is about the "holiday season" isn't it? We were in Branson, MO this past weekend. We go to fight the seasonal depression with holiday lights, holiday cheer... despite that fat guy who has those deer that should be set free. Isn't there a petition somewhere about that? In an outlet mall, Corning Ware store, there was a lady all decorated for the "holidays." She told the cashier, "I hope you have a nice holiday." Then she said something like, "no, I hope you have a nice *Christmas*... I should say it that way to fight people who don't want it called that." My, my, my. Just got done putting lights on the ole holiday tree and making a liberal ginger bread house with my youngest son. What do I like best about the holidays? Time off of course! Now, if the non-Christian full of holiday cheer had asked me what I like about "Christmas"... I would have said Mass. We are doing carol of the bells this year in choir. "Hark how the bells, sweet silver bells, all seem to say, throw cares away...." The non-Christian likes the lyrics she made up called "down on my knees." I bet she would ask a cloistered nun "how long is your hair" also. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 06:23:53 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: It Stays Pretty Green Interesting discussion. My first reaction (knee-jerk, gut) when I hear a Joni song is re-imagining what she means by the texts she is singing about. I would say that I probably want to get to the heart of a song the way it was intended (although one can argue how do I know that my reading of it is THE way it was intended by Joni?). Say, in "Edith and the Kingpin", the lyrics are (for me) like camera snapshots that describe fleeting moments and part of the challenge is thinking what Joni means in each line, each musical cadence, each shifting subject positions. Then you (I actually) start thinking about what those lyrics mean to me on a personal level although frankly I was never aware that I consciously asked myself if this song speaks to me. It seems to locate itself in you. Sometimes, too, meanings on a personal level can be subject to negotiations which means that it can even yield another layer of meaning that we haven't reflected before. Like "Banquet" and the mystery she brings to the lyrics: I ask myself -- was it about food security? burglars breaking in houses? conjuring Medieval-like scenarios to condemn modernist consumerism? or about people not getting what is rightfully theirs in life because of inequality?) Good thing that Joni's lyrics lend themselves well to constant re-reading and re-authoring. In a song like "Morning Morgantown", I must have very different visceral reactions to it when I listen to it depending on which location I am, than the initial tactile impression I had of that song. It takes a different meaning when I listen to it -- different from when I am in Chapel Hill or when I was in Manila when I heard it first or Mainz when I heard it continuously for days. It is always great to read what others have to say about a song's intentionality and what it meant to them because whether I like it or not, these meanings from others form a part in my appreciation of that song through its re-investigation. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Abbey Lincoln -- "When the Lights Go On Again All Over The World" Mark Scott a icrit : ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Flaherty" > For my money, it's just about as interesting--sometimes more so--to hear > what other listeners think. To me there is Joni's meaning, and the > listener's meaning. Granted Joni's meaning is of interest to a larger > number of people than each individual listener's, but those individual > interpretations just add to the richness of the piece. > > I mean, when I listen to For the Roses, I don't think about James Taylor > or Graham Nash, I think about what the lyrics mean to me. You would get no argument from me, Michael. Other people's interpretations often make me look at a lyric in a new way. I don't think about James or Graham when I listen to 'For the Roses' either (well maybe a little about James). I don't think anybody can say for sure what Joni was thinking of when she wrote a song except of course for Joni herself. But it sure is fun to speculate about and always interesting to find out what other people think. Mark E. in Seattle - --------------------------------- Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Tilichargez le ici ! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:29:10 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Vintage Dawntreader Video Game njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mia ortlieb" > > I thought I heard somewhere that C.S. Lewis did not want his stories to be > on the big screen. I wonder how he would feel about video games? This > game kinda looks like PacMan, but I suppose alot of those old games are > similar. Fun to look at though, for the nostalgia. > > Mia Well we are about to see Narnia come to the big screen. Disney is about to realease their version of 'The Lion The Witch and the Wardrobe' and I believe they are hoping for another Harry Potter type franchise. Tilda Swinton is playing the White Witch. I've been intrigued with her ever since she played the title role in 'Orlando' so I will probably shell out the bucks to see this one. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:20:39 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: Vintage Dawntreader Video Game njc Mark wrote: > Well we are about to see Narnia come to the big screen. Disney > is about to realease their version of 'The Lion The Witch and the > Wardrobe' and I believe they are hoping for another Harry Potter > type franchise. Tilda Swinton is playing the White Witch. I've > been intrigued with her ever since she played the title role in > 'Orlando' so I will probably shell out the bucks to see this one. And doing my bit for NZ promotion, the entire film was made in New Zealand, so expect to see some spectacular scenery if you do go see it! Even the lion (his name is Aslan!) they used in the film (other than the animatronic one) lives in NZ here: http://www.zionwildlifegardens.co.nz/ I'll probably go see it on the big screen, as I've been a long-time fan of these books (I still read them now) and while I'm a little annoyed that they didn't start with the actual first book in the series (The Magician's Nephew), I accept their reasoning - that it was better to get people hooked first with a well-known title, then they can go about making the rest. And I hope they do make all seven! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #450 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)