From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #446 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, December 2 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 446 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Desktop pic #28 [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Joni at the Commonwealth Club pics [Jim Ayson ] question for Joni ["Marianne Rizzo" ] impact of "lovely" LA on Joni? [Dale Garratt ] Re: njc, Bonnie Raitt on Letterman tonight [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC Re: Joni Covers, Volume 71 - Fiddling About [Jerry Notaro ] Antony and the Johnsons njc [Garret ] joni colors ["Marianne Rizzo" ] pretty green one last time [Kate ] Re: pretty green one last time [Gary Z ] Re: joni colors -- Sufjan, Sloan, King Cobra [Smurf ] Re: question for Joni [Em ] RE: njc, Bonnie Raitt on Letterman tonight ["Kate Bennett" ] Nellie- NJC ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: njc, Bonnie Raitt & Oprah on Letterman tonight ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Pretty Green, perhaps the last word ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: pretty green one last time (one last time? yeah, right!) -- njc [Cath] Re: holiday cards designed by Joni ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: question for Joni ["Arkay O'Malley" ] Pretty green [Catherine McKay ] Re: 'Blue' - a song for who? ["Arkay O'Malley" ] Riding on the City of New Orleans [Michael Paz ] Re: holiday cards designed by Joni [Scott Price ] Re: Riding on the City of New Orleans njc [Randy Remote Subject: Desktop pic #28 Inspired by the Hejira series, I made another Amelia too. Here it is: http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1142MZ7E7X26M0Q5JEU1VZSW2S Mark in stormy Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:50:43 +0800 From: Jim Ayson Subject: Re: Joni at the Commonwealth Club pics On 12/2/05, ron wrote: > its actually very easy . download a program called "switch". (you can find > it at download.com) this program will capture the audio & save it in the > format of your choice. then just import it into i-tunes & load it onto your > ipod. ...and that's the answer to my question.Capturing a realaudio stream and converting it to a mp3 file.Thanks, this should do the trick! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 07:21:17 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: question for Joni >It would be a great question to ask Joni! Gary's sweet response made me think of this question. . perhaps it has been asked before. . You have the good fortune of running into Joni and have the opportunity to ask her a question. What question would you ask Joni? Marianne Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:50:23 -0500 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Pretty Green, perhaps the last word Joni's talking about Los Angeles staying green, right? "Well, it don't snow here, it stays pretty green...." Los Angeles is one of my favorite cities and in the winter, I don't believe it stays "pretty" or "rather" green, it stays very green. I always took the line to mean pretty as in lovely. When you come from a place where it snows in the winter, Los Angeles is a very pretty green to see in December. I never even thought about Joni meaning i.e., "rather." Those of you who think it refers to "rather" as opposed to "lovely" (using these two words to just try to differentiate) may well be right. I've just never interpreted it that way. It would be a great question to ask Joni! Best regards, Gary _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 21:29:05 +0900 From: Dale Garratt Subject: impact of "lovely" LA on Joni? Yeah, Gary, LA is beautiful in the winter. My wife is from Lakewood, and as we were flying in one Christmas to visit her relatives, the plane flew close to a beach, and there were lots of people swimming or surfing in the water... The main point is that I feel Joni's life has been enriched by southern CA. There's a certain spiritual buoyancy there. (Or maybe it's just that I worship the ocean since I was born and raised in New Mexico!) Solstice greetings to all, Dale - -- Dale A. Garratt Adjunct Professor Sun Moon University Asan, Korea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 07:58:36 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: njc, Bonnie Raitt on Letterman tonight Long live Melanie. Just got my Melanie tickets for January. She annually plays the Largo Cultural Center, a small venue here in Florida. And she always sells out! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:04:11 -0500 From: "MIKE HICKS" Subject: record shop/njc >while searching through old LP's>>>>>> Joseph, I could just "smell" the albums as I read your story. There's nothing like the memory of entering those record stores and having all your senses come alive. My favorite stores were names like The Bridge, Misty Mountain Rock, and Radioactive Records. (BTW, I'm an old "Tarheel" from Winston-Salem). Sorry no UNC fan, but I have respect for you as a man of musical taste. Mike Np: Red House Painters - Katy's Song ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:17:21 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC Re: Joni Covers, Volume 71 - Fiddling About Funny you should mention Cass. I just received a great catalog from Rediscover Music. They are similar to Collectors Choice and Rhino. They offered a cd of Mama when she was with The Big Three and I called a friend of mine who loves her. I have her Box Set but no Sisotowbelle Lane! Jerry > Thanks Catherine - I'm happy to do it if people like it, and I know for every > one or two that write about it there's 10 or 20 that will get it and never say > a word. It certainly is an easy way to get it all over the world. > > In another cover-related bit o' trivia, I've finally found our FIRST cover > of Sisotowbell Lane, and it's by Cass Elliot no less!! Seems like she recorded > the song for her first solo LP but it was not used. And now a solo rarities > release has come out and we get to hear it. This should be pretty incredible; > Cass was good friends with Joni and had one of the most awesome voices in pop > music. > > http://www.hip-oselect.com/catalogue_cass.asp > > Bob > > NP: Joan Osborne, "How Sweet It Is" > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:47:44 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's Hair and Weight Oh I never said Joni's image was straight laced, What I said was she never used overt sexuality to market her music. Those are very different things. But I enjoyed your descriptions, nonetheless. Jerry > Respectfully, I don't think Joni's image had a straight laced image at all. > She didn't wear a bra outside her clothes but that beautiful flower on the > cover of Clouds is... strikingly familiar, if presented in a naive way. And > the cover of Court and Spark looks like it might be a mate for the Clouds > cover. (If you store them face to face, they make an mp3.) > > Uhm, her record company took out a billboard in LA somewhere that read "Joni > Mitchell takes forever." Then there's the graceful shot of the songwriter > doing the backstroke, inside The Hissing Of Summer Lawns. And the constant > dissection of her love life in interviews. And artful but decidedly > peek-a-boo lyrics. > > Don't forget the various body parts on the cover of DJRD, along side a > child, no less. Wasn't she french kissing on a poster? Gees, she did > everything except use the sound of bed springs as a rhythm track. > > Probably only Joplin & Slick were racier than Joni. But Joni got the > balance just right in many things, and the tasteful sensuality in her > celebrity image was one of them. > > All the best, > Jim L'Hommedieu > > > Jerry Notaro said in part, >> I don't think people are being critical of Joni's appearance, and I think > it > is interesting on significant levels. Though Joni was certainly a beauty in > her day she never (despite a distant rear end or two) used blatant sexuality > to market her music the way most of the women of her day were forced to. She > was part of the vanguard of women who refused, along with Joan Baez, Laura > Nyro, Janis Ian, etc. It was attempt to have the listener take their music > seriously, unlike the opposite of today. You can hardly look at the ads of > even classical pianists or cellists without peeking nipple and saucy stare.> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:04:14 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Antony and the Johnsons njc I was just about to ask who else out there likes Antony & The Johnsons when i came across your post Les. Something about great minds or fools may be the appropriate comment;-) I have been listening to I Am A Bird Now for the last six months and loving it. The Nina comparison is apt. Not only Antony's voice but also his use of the piano recall Nina in some sense. I think that he also has some very Van Morrison moments, musically. When he played at the Mercury music awards earlier this year i actually felt sorry for the act that followed him. He played Hope There's Someone. He won the award of course (other nominees Hard Fi, Seth lakeman, KT Tunstall, Magic Numbers are definitely worth a listen). Last week on Jonathan Ross Antony & the Johnsons with Boy George did a fantastic versoin of You Are My Sister. The fact that Rufus W, Boy G., Lou Reed and Devendra Banhart (someone i just discovered to be honest, but he's great too) perform on the album but don't take the spotlight from Antony really speaks to his credit. The earlier album, Antony & The Johnsons, is also worth the cash. GARRET NP- Antony & The Johnsons, Hitler In The Heart Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:24:16 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: ..in praise of njc Antony and the Johnsons. Just got his recent CD a day or so ago and listened to it through today for the first time. It's really a remarkable piece of work. The colours of Gospel, Torch, Nina Simone. Startlingly 'confessional'. Very affecting and well worth a listen to. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:16:24 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: joni colors joni colors joni's reference to colors in her songs I can think of a few: blue turbulent indigo little green What are her references to colors and words preceeding (adjectives, etc.) What comes to mind? Have a good weekend everybody! Have a king Cobra weekend. : -) _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:31:28 -0600 From: Kate Subject: pretty green one last time Gary > Los Angeles is one of my favorite cities and in the winter, I don't > believe it stays "pretty" or "rather" green, it stays very green. What a goofy Joni-ism to be discussing! but lighthearted just the same. Here in Saskatchewan, we use "pretty" to mean "very," not just "rather." I am sorry to further confound those of you who believe she meant it stays a pretty green; the way she sings it is exactly like we'd say it here, meaning "very" or, to put an even finer point on it, "quite" green. Using my Saskatchewaner's ear, there is not one single doubt in my mind: she meant it is quite green. Had she meant it otherwise, she'd have sang "it stays a pretty green." The "a" would have been thrown in. You can take the girl out of the province but I doubt you can really get it out of the girl when it comes to the Saskatchewan dialect. And now, having made my oh-so-important contribution to this weighty discussion, I must hurry out of this housecoat and get to town to have my van taken care of: an oil change. Next: snow tires. Kate of the North Kate Johnson, subject editor Architecture, Dance, Film, Theatre (306) 338-2007 The Canadian Encyclopedia The Historica Foundation of Canada http://www.histori.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:44:57 -0500 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: pretty green one last time Then I guess we agree, Kate! LOL Take care and stay warm!! Best, Gary Kate wrote: >Gary > > > >>Los Angeles is one of my favorite cities and in the winter, I don't >>believe it stays "pretty" or "rather" green, it stays very green. >> >> > >What a goofy Joni-ism to be discussing! but lighthearted just the same. >Here in Saskatchewan, we use "pretty" to mean "very," not just "rather." > >I am sorry to further confound those of you who believe she meant it stays a >pretty green; the way she sings it is exactly like we'd say it here, meaning >"very" or, to put an even finer point on it, "quite" green. > >Using my Saskatchewaner's ear, there is not one single doubt in my mind: she >meant it is quite green. Had she meant it otherwise, she'd have sang "it >stays a pretty green." The "a" would have been thrown in. > >You can take the girl out of the province but I doubt you can really get it >out of the girl when it comes to the Saskatchewan dialect. > >And now, having made my oh-so-important contribution to this weighty >discussion, I must hurry out of this housecoat and get to town to have my >van taken care of: an oil change. Next: snow tires. > >Kate of the North > > > > >Kate Johnson, subject editor >Architecture, Dance, Film, Theatre >(306) 338-2007 >The Canadian Encyclopedia >The Historica Foundation of Canada >http://www.histori.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:14:10 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: joni colors -- Sufjan, Sloan, King Cobra My fave: blood-red fingernails! Also, I have heard a bit of the Sufjan Stevens Michigan CD and it sounds great. I think I'm gonna like it. A friend let me borrow that one and the Illinoise (sic) one. Thanks, everyone, for the latest JMDL recommendation. Makes me want to check out this Antony guy, too. Someone else let me borrow a Sloan Wainwright CD. She has an interesting voice, although I'm not sure about the lyrics. Need to check it out some more. --Smurf, who GOD WILLING will not be having a King Cobra weekend because next Thursday will be the 3rd anniversary -- yikes! -- of quitting demon alcohol and the second anniversary of quitting filthy, evil, health-destroying cigarettes Marianne Rizzo wrote: joni colors joni's reference to colors in her songs I can think of a few: blue turbulent indigo little green What are her references to colors and words preceeding (adjectives, etc.) What comes to mind? Have a good weekend everybody! Have a king Cobra weekend. : -) _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Try Yahoo! Personals ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:10:21 -0800 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Crosby Clarification <> Thank you for that, Kate! Of course I was so flustered I wasn't thinking straight. Jeff Pevar was all I remembered. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:46:09 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: question for Joni have been trying to think of what I'd ask her, but I can't come up with anything... hmmm, I must not have the urge for knowing. ;) Em - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > >It would be a > great question to ask Joni! > > > Gary's sweet response made me think of this question. . > perhaps it has been asked before. . > > You have the good fortune of running into Joni and have the > opportunity to > ask her a question. > > What question would you ask Joni? > > > > > Marianne > > > Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:50:23 -0500 > From: Gary Z > Subject: Re: Pretty Green, perhaps the last word > > Joni's talking about Los Angeles staying green, right? "Well, it > don't > snow here, it stays pretty green...." > > Los Angeles is one of my favorite cities and in the winter, I don't > believe it stays "pretty" or "rather" green, it stays very green. I > always took the line to mean pretty as in lovely. When you come from > a > place where it snows in the winter, Los Angeles is a very pretty > green > to see in December. I never even thought about Joni meaning i.e., > "rather." Those of you who think it refers to "rather" as opposed to > "lovely" (using these two words to just try to differentiate) may > well > be right. I've just never interpreted it that way. It would be a > great question to ask Joni! > > Best regards, > > Gary > > _________________________________________________________________ > Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:57:29 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: njc, Bonnie Raitt on Letterman tonight Thanks so much for the heads up on this patti(& bob re oprah's appearance)... as a digester I usually read about these things the morning after... bonnie is always superb & I wondered if that was one of the mia sharp songs that she performed... I cried listening to oprah (I've never seen her daytime show I don't think)... what an amazing example she sets for us as humans to make a difference... she is just an incredible inspiring person ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:31:31 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: joni colors - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Rizzo" > > What are her references to colors and words preceeding (adjectives, etc.) > > What comes to mind? > 'Marcie' springs immediately to mind for me. Red and green are used in all the verses with various associations: red - sweet, autumn, stop, angry green - sour, summer, going, jealous Did anyone else notice the colors in Joni's necklace in the Earth Day photos? Paprika Plains and a turquoise river snaking..... Mark E. in snow covered Shoreline (near Seattle) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:45:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Nellie- NJC Wonderful interview and article on Nellie McKay in the new Paste magazine. Turns out she is a huge Dylan freak. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:48:22 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: njc, Bonnie Raitt & Oprah on Letterman tonight - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Parlette" > I *just* learned that Bonnie Raitt is going to be on Letterman tonight. > For those of you in the U.S. on the East Coast, I know it only gives you a > half hour's notice (and no notice at all if you are on digest), but maybe > our West Coast friends can catch her? Maybe "some random person" who met > Joni in an elevator on Earth Day 2005 in the Bay Area? And Kate? And > Kakki? And Walt? And Mark? And you know..... Thanks for the heads up, Patti! I watched Letterman last night. Bonnie was fantastic as always. She sings and plays like nobody else. She is a classic and still going strong! Dave's other guest was Oprah Winfrey. Apparently Letterman had been touting this appearance for some time, hammering on the fact that Oprah hadn't been on his show since 1989, implying that there was bad blood between them. Oprah wanted to reassure him that there was no feud that she knew of and gave him a photo of herself and Uma Thurman, a reference to Letterman's lame attempt to make something humorous out of their names at the Oscar ceremony he emceed. "Oprah, Uma. Uma, Oprah". (Does anyone else remember a piece that Anne Bancroft did on a one woman tv special sometime in the 60s or 70s? It's a monologue that she did where she describes a dream she had where she's the hostess at a party and all of the guests have names like Ooloo Grosbard and Oona Chaplin and she finds herself having to introducing them all to one another in the same manner as Letterman's 'Uma, Oprah' bit and feeling very ridiculous. But I digress...so what else is new?) Anyway, Letterman was surprisingly respectful of Oprah and asked very serious and intelligent questions about her humanitarian work in Africa. Oprah was somewhat taken aback by his very evident admiration of her. Her latest project is to establish a network of schools for young girls in South Africa to give them a chance to get an education and hopefully a chance at better lives. She plans on personally going from village to village to get this project off the ground. If there ever were such things as angels, I think Oprah Winfrey comes pretty close to qualifying as one. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:03:24 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: pretty green one last time (one last time? yeah, right!) - --- Kate wrote: > I am sorry to further confound those of you who > believe she meant it stays a > pretty green; the way she sings it is exactly like > we'd say it here, meaning > "very" or, to put an even finer point on it, "quite" > green. > > Using my Saskatchewaner's ear, there is not one > single doubt in my mind: she > meant it is quite green. Had she meant it otherwise, > she'd have sang "it > stays a pretty green." The "a" would have been > thrown in. > > You can take the girl out of the province but I > doubt you can really get it > out of the girl when it comes to the Saskatchewan > dialect. Yeah, we would probably say "A pretty green" and not just "pretty green." There's also something in the inflection (not that that's too easy to pick up when someone is singing") that tells me she means "rather, quite, pretty darn" (see, there's that "pretty" again), as opposed to "a very pretty green." I've never been to LA and I kinda thought she might mean, it stays green most of the time. Don't they get droughts there? I was thinking of grass that's green most of the time, except when it gets hot and droughty and the grass wilts. Anyhoo, I never even considered anything else before and can't believe how much mileage/kilometrage we're getting out of this one. Pretty friggin' funny, eh? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:18:06 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Both Sides Now at UConn Dear Joni Ami(e)s: You would not believe the duality that is happening here at my beloved Morning UConn Town! On Monday, Cindy Sheehan will be here. I am excited beyond words. Joni, HELP ME! "....Moons and Junes and Ferris wheels, the dizzy dancing way you feel..." (Thanks, Joni -- you come through for me once again!) But then on Wednesday, dark clouds get in the way. Ann Coulter will be here. I am disgusted beyond words, but Joni comes to the rescue again: "....In the plan oh the insulting plan..." to stay the course. Yet I will step out of the shadows and into the LIGHT and talk about Cindy. I can't believe she is coming to *my* town! Until morning came to uconn town today, her upcoming appearance was not well-publicized, so yesterday I had to spend a lot of time on UConn's website and telephone system (voicemail, voicemail, everywhere you turn -- argh!!), trying to find out who is sponsoring Cindy's visit. I finally found out it is the not-usually-active, never-even-knew-they-existed "Progressive Student Alliance." Their main organizer, Amy, finally called me back to confirm that yes, Cindy is coming. This alliance, appalled that Ann Coulter will be speaking here, found out out how to reach Cindy, and they actually got her to come! O, my heart be still! Amy, whom I have never met, is even picking up Cindy at the airport. I'm trying like hell to become Amy's new very-best-friend so I can ride with her, but no luck....lol! I tried some conversation, but that didn't work. Hey, what if I brought her apples and cheeses, or grapes and cheeses, secrets..... and sharing sodas....sitting in some cafe.....think that would work? Wait! I know! Amy is just a poor student -- she probably has a crappy old car, right? I'll offer to drive her in some brand new vehicle with the Joni bumperstickers that Patti Witten made on it! There's my ticket to ride!!! Deep breath. It will certainly be interesting to see how the students react to these two speakers. As a rule, they are not too political here. (Cindy who? Cindy Lou from Whoville, who do ya think? Sheesh!) The worst division we ever see here is in the fall when it's Yankees vs. Red Sox and all the team colors come out. Sorry for the NJC here but I just *had* to share! (But don't you think Joni would like Cindy? The other Joan does! She went to Camp Casey.) Love, Patti P., riding pretty (or rather!) high on the Peace Train this weekend ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:20:19 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Pretty Green, perhaps the last word Of all joni's songs i really related to this one when I moved from the east coast where we skated the lake at Christmas time & there was snow on the ground...to southern California where it just didn't seem like Christmas time for many many years... I have always heard the song with the word pretty as in rather because it fits the mood she's in when writing (kind of down) & also in December things in this part of the world aren't very green they are more brown for lack of rain until jan or feb... except for the plants that are watered in which case I suppose it could work the other way too... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:37:02 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: pretty green one last time (one last time? yeah, right!) -- njc By "pretty friggin'" do you mean *rather* friggin' or *lovely* friggin', Catherine? --Smurf << Anyhoo, I never even considered anything else before and can't believe how much mileage/kilometrage we're getting out of this one. Pretty friggin' funny, eh? >> - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Let fate take it's course directly to your email. See who's waiting for you Yahoo! Personals ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:46:29 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 71 - Fiddling About Ron wrote: > that is so cool!!! i dont normally get these things cause im too lazy to do > > the envelopes &post office thing - this just makes it so easy > I still like the old fashion way, and this is another great covers CD. It's wonderful that Bob can put them up for anyone to download, but I like looking at all 71 plus Joni Cover CD's. I love the Ellen Metzger version of "Two Grey Rooms," and Connie Champagne doing Judy Garland doing Joni on BSN is a hoot and a half. Thanks for all your hard work, Bob!!! You rock! Happy weekend everyone. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:14:04 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: pretty green one last time (one last time? yeah, right!) -- njc - --- Smurf wrote: > By "pretty friggin'" do you mean *rather* friggin' > or *lovely* friggin', Catherine? > > --Smurf That would be "friggin' lovely", dearest. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:42:39 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: pretty green one last time (one last time? yeah, right!) -- njc I soooooooo need to experience the two of you"live" someday.... Em - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Smurf wrote: > > > By "pretty friggin'" do you mean *rather* friggin' > > or *lovely* friggin', Catherine? > > > > --Smurf > > That would be "friggin' lovely", dearest. > > > Catherine > Toronto > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:03:34 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Subject: they are playing joni in some small shop Wow, cool story. I saw Chuck Mangione in Rochester, NY two years in a row. He was a "Local Hero" there, teaching at Eastman, and recording for Mercury. Anyway, Ms. Satterield did a very cool job on "The Land of Make Believe". The arrangement was HUGE but she more than held her own. She was so poised (like a vocal major I guess), it seemed like she was leading, rather than following the composer/arranger/conductor/featured soloist Mangione. That's quite a trick. I haven't seen her since, so "thanks for the memory". (Bree, did you ever see Ester Satterfield or Chuck Mangione in Rain-chester, NY? It's a long way from Joni but lots of his stuff was okay in my book.) All the best, Jim Joesph in Chapel Hill said in part, > So I was in this run-down, delightfully Bohemian, quaint little shop in Carrboro yesterday. It is one of those places that makes it easy to imagine what that place looked like in the early 1980s because nothing seems to have been moved or altered by way of design or where items are placed (either that ot the owners do it on purpose to get a different feel). Anyway, while browsing through old LPs searching for any of the two solo albums of the inexplicably forgotten and much-missed Esther Satterfield (vocalist whose fame came during her stint with Chuck Mangione), Joni's version of "Furry Sings the Blues" was on the airwaves.> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:15:01 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Subject: they are playing joni in some small shop now NJC I heard Chuck Mangione get paged in an airport once! Em - --- "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" wrote: > Wow, cool story. I saw Chuck Mangione in Rochester, NY two years in > a row. > He was a "Local Hero" there, teaching at Eastman, and recording for > Mercury. > Anyway, Ms. Satterield did a very cool job on "The Land of Make > Believe". > The arrangement was HUGE but she more than held her own. She was so > poised > (like a vocal major I guess), it seemed like she was leading, rather > than > following the composer/arranger/conductor/featured soloist Mangione. > That's > quite a trick. I haven't seen her since, so "thanks for the memory". > > (Bree, did you ever see Ester Satterfield or Chuck Mangione in > Rain-chester, > NY? It's a long way from Joni but lots of his stuff was okay in my > book.) > > All the best, > Jim > > Joesph in Chapel Hill said in part, > > So I was in this run-down, delightfully Bohemian, quaint little > shop in > Carrboro yesterday. It is one of those places that makes it easy to > imagine > what that place looked like in the early 1980s because nothing seems > to > have been moved or altered by way of design or where items are > placed > (either that ot the owners do it on purpose to get a different > feel). > > Anyway, while browsing through old LPs searching for any of the two > solo > albums of the inexplicably forgotten and much-missed Esther > Satterfield > (vocalist whose fame came during her stint with Chuck Mangione), > Joni's > version of "Furry Sings the Blues" was on the airwaves.> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:04:03 -0600 From: "Mark Tatum" Subject: Harlem in Havana (long post) Bob Muller's ebay photo of the Harlem in Havana midway show made me think about Joni's interview in which she mentioned both the Harlem in Havana show and the Club Lido, another such show that I had seen (from the outside) when I was a kid at the State Fair in Shreveport. I did a little research, and here is what I found. Although Leon Claxton won't rank with Rosa Parks as a well known figure in Black History, he was a Florida millionaire who, from the 30's to the 60's, presented the Harlem in Havana midway cabaret show that travelled with the Royal American Shows (the world's largest and most brilliantly illuminated midway: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/lemay/royal.htm ). The South was still segregated at that time, and so there always was a parallel white show--I guess that was the Club Lido! Claxton actually brought in singers, dancers, and musicians from Cuba for the show to perform with other black entertainers. Fontella Bass, who co-wrote Rescue Me, got her big break when, at 17, she performed for Claxton's show for two weeks and was heard by Little Milton. Claxton had a big house in Tampa, Florida, and the Tampa shows apparently were "over the top", displaying the latest music, dances, and fashions. Claxton, who was known as "Uncle Leon" by the many children who attended his community Christmas parties, died in the late 60's and his shows went with him. Here is what Joni remembers: "In my childhood I lived in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan during my high school years. And in the seventh and eighth grade when all through high school there used to come to our town every summer the Mile Long Midway, which I believe came up from Florida. And at the end of the midway, there was a double ferris wheel, Club Lido was along the side so there were a lot of girlie shows. But at the very end of it right next to the Caterpillar and the double ferris wheel was a show called "Harlem in Havana". And the locals basically said to us, "don't even get caught standing there." That was the warning from mothers, "don't let me even see you standing there." And all it was was black burlesque. So --" Here is a reference to the Club Lido from a Saskatoon native who is a painter: http://cardiffpaintings.wetcanvas.com/ . I only found one picture of the Royal American Shows midway in which you could see the Club Lido, and only a part of the front was visible. I noticed it was next to one of the ubiquitous midway "freak shows" of those days. Speaking of which, here is some info on the amazing and sad life of the Hilton Twins: http://www.phreeque.com/hilton_sisters.html . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:42:52 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: pretty green one last time (one last time? yeah, right!) -- njc You'd be disappointed. Everyone else is. - --- Em wrote: > I soooooooo need to experience the two of you"live" > someday.... > Em > > --- Catherine McKay wrote: > > > --- Smurf wrote: > > > > > By "pretty friggin'" do you mean *rather* > friggin' > > > or *lovely* friggin', Catherine? > > > > > > --Smurf > > > > That would be "friggin' lovely", dearest. > > > > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:45:47 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Re: holiday cards designed by Joni Wow, I wonder what the image on this card meant to Joni. http://www.warchild.ca/merchandise_cards.asp Here's a 20 second art crit snapshot: Every Child represents the union of the Apple Mind. Yeah, the child brings together the European/Intellect/"I know" Christmas tree culture, with the African/drum beat/connection to "I sense". The drummer holds an ear, reminding the viewer to listen (verily, even as we participate) and stands before a backdrop of "50/50 fire and ice". This means our Apple mind acts and listens within a dichotomy, a paradox. Life is found in the motion between two extremes. The stylized circle evokes "Starry Night" and Joni's personal philosophy of the Medicine Wheel. When we move through all four directions, we find the oneness of a child: clarity with feeling, a passing resolution to Every Adult's lifelong struggle. Naw... it can't be that. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:56:57 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: pretty green one last time (one last time? yeah, right!) -- njc In response to Em's "I soooooooo need to experience the two of you "live" someday...." Catherine wrote: "You'd be disappointed. Everyone else is." Now hold on there, Catherine. That's not completely true. It's the people who have had sex with us who are consistantly disappointed. Those who enjoy bitter, snarky wit seem to like us okay. - --Smurf, off to the public swimming pool __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL  Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:55:16 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: Subject: they are playing joni in some small shop now NJC LOL! Em, you are a desparately sad name dropper. :) Jim > From: Em [mailto:emzdogz@yahoo.com] > I heard Chuck Mangione get paged in an airport once! Lama wrote: > > (Bree, did you ever see Ester Satterfield or Chuck Mangione in > > Rain-chester, NY? Joesph in Chapel Hill said in part, >>> Anyway, while browsing through old LPs searching for any of the two >>> solo albums of the inexplicably forgotten and much-missed Esther >>> Satterfield (vocalist whose fame came during her stint with Chuck >>> Mangione)... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:17:37 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 71 - Fiddling About And I thank YOU Jimmy for your support from day 1 and the fact that you haven't hollered "UNCLE!!" yet - you're one of the reasons I keep chooglin' along. And don't go quittin' anytime soon, because there is so much cool stuff up ahead. Bob NP: Cornelia, "Chelsea Morning" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Skip the bars and set-ups and start using Yahoo! Personals for free ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:32:08 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: holiday cards designed by Joni Well, you know that only Joni would create a greeting card that merits this kind of analysis - well done, Jim. And did anyone notice the Bruce Cockburn card? Joseph leading Mary and the baby through the desert with a TANK in the background. Chilling. Bob NP: John Mellencamp, "Just Another Day" "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" wrote: Wow, I wonder what the image on this card meant to Joni. http://www.warchild.ca/merchandise_cards.asp Here's a 20 second art crit snapshot: Every Child represents the union of the Apple Mind. Yeah, the child brings together the European/Intellect/"I know" Christmas tree culture, with the African/drum beat/connection to "I sense". The drummer holds an ear, reminding the viewer to listen (verily, even as we participate) and stands before a backdrop of "50/50 fire and ice". This means our Apple mind acts and listens within a dichotomy, a paradox. Life is found in the motion between two extremes. The stylized circle evokes "Starry Night" and Joni's personal philosophy of the Medicine Wheel. When we move through all four directions, we find the oneness of a child: clarity with feeling, a passing resolution to Every Adult's lifelong struggle. Naw... it can't be that. Jim - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Skip the bars and set-ups and start using Yahoo! Personals for free ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:37:08 -0600 From: "Arkay O'Malley" Subject: Re: question for Joni duh-will you marry me? arkay (who, if she met joni, would either be sobbing uncontrollably or dead from the shock and unable to ask said question anyway) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Rizzo" To: Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:21 AM Subject: question for Joni > >It would be a > great question to ask Joni! > > > Gary's sweet response made me think of this question. . > perhaps it has been asked before. . > > You have the good fortune of running into Joni and have the opportunity to > ask her a question. > > What question would you ask Joni? > > > > > Marianne > > > Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 00:50:23 -0500 > From: Gary Z > Subject: Re: Pretty Green, perhaps the last word > > Joni's talking about Los Angeles staying green, right? "Well, it don't > snow here, it stays pretty green...." > > Los Angeles is one of my favorite cities and in the winter, I don't > believe it stays "pretty" or "rather" green, it stays very green. I > always took the line to mean pretty as in lovely. When you come from a > place where it snows in the winter, Los Angeles is a very pretty green > to see in December. I never even thought about Joni meaning i.e., > "rather." Those of you who think it refers to "rather" as opposed to > "lovely" (using these two words to just try to differentiate) may well > be right. I've just never interpreted it that way. It would be a > great question to ask Joni! > > Best regards, > > Gary > > _________________________________________________________________ > Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:41:16 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Pretty green Two things -- (1) I arrived home today to find a postcard from my niece who is in Australia. A line from the card reads as follows: "I've been to the casino a few times and it's really huge and *pretty* impressive." How synchron-whatsit is that? (2) Here's a live mp3 of Shawn Colvin singing "River" (Dec. 24 1998 at KGSR Studios, Austin TX): http://s43.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2YCTZVZVXRL1J16BY7R61JM63P Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:40:07 -0600 From: "Arkay O'Malley" Subject: Re: 'Blue' - a song for who? funny as i always thought she wrote this for me. which always seemed to appeal to the scifi nerd in me as joni must have pulled some miracle of quantum science to travel through the space time continuum to write a song about me before i was born and all...but yeah-every year i hear that song im more and more convinced it was written about me...it was true at 16, at 21...at 29...or maybe its a self fulfilling prophecy kind of thing...oooh now ill be chasing my tail all night... arkay - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Marie Espeland" To: "JMDL" Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:21 PM Subject: 'Blue' - a song for who? > Hello! > Lately, I've been working with an analysis of 'Blue'. I guess this > song has been discussed a lot of times on the list, but unfortunately, > I wasn't there to read it!Nevertheless, I thought I'd ask if some of > you knew something more about this, or if you have any opinions about > the topic: I read something in the JMDL library, an article from > Uncut, 2003, where Nick Johnstone says that: 'Track five, the very > Laura Nyro-Carole King sounding jazzy piano ballad "Blue" is rumoured > to have been written as a thank you letter to James Taylor for pulling > her from her despair.' > > Do you know anything about this? (and what about the David > Blue-rumour? Is Blue a nickname for someone or the personification of > melancholy?) I don't want to be a "gossip-broadcaster", but I blame > this on Joni: Why did she put a capital B in Blue? As I see it, that > is to open up for such speculations! :) > > All the best, > Karen Marie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:09:05 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: holiday cards designed by Joni - --- Lama axed: > Wow, I wonder what the image on this card meant to > Joni. > http://www.warchild.ca/merchandise_cards.asp > Looks to me like the somewhat genderless-looking child is standing in front of a cross with an enormous CD floating above it. Perhaps the kid is dreaming of having a hit CD that's bigger than Jesus. - --Smurf __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:13:49 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Riding on the City of New Orleans Well kids here we geaux. I leave tomorrow to Chicago to start the Arlo Guthrie and Friends tour on the City of New Orleans train. I hope some of you can come out and see me along the way. Please see http://www.risingson.com for all the details. I am sorry I can not offer up freebee tickets cause it is a fundraiser but the tickets are very affordable and these folks are really helping us out here in the hood. I am very pleased to announce that they have booked my friend Mr. Jack Neilson to play on the tour as well as my friend Cyril Neville will be playing 3 shows with us. Willie Nelson has signed on to do the New Orleans show. I am looking forward to trying to hook up with Fred Simon while I am in Chicago (from tomorrow thru Tuesday the 6th) as well as Guzzi and all you other damn yankees (Vince?) Hey Sue how about driving down into the slums of Chicago to hang with your old pal??? I wish I had a secretary that could transcribe what has been happening in our lives, but maybe while I am on the road I will have time to reflect on the ups and downs of living in New Orleans post Katrina. We are throwing a hell of a New Years Eve Party in Jackson Square if any of you are inclined to be tourists in our city. I am expecting my old pal Mary P. around Christmas time and we will have the fire going and the food a cooking and the music playing and I suppose we will have a cocktail or two. Also on the back burner are plans for a mini fest in LA around January 20 for the annual NAMM extravaganza. My cell number is 504-382-0343 for the hook up for you folks who are going to be on the tour line. I did an interview on WWNO radio (89.9FM New Orleans) with Susan Roesgen for NPR radio which airs on Monday at 4:30pmcst. Listen in if you can. I hope you all are well and sending out a big old cyberMUAH to one and all. I will try to check in from the road. Please come out and see me! Love Paz MPIM-Itunes- Somebody More Like You-NickleCreek ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:58:08 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: holiday cards designed by Joni At 03:45 PM 12/2/2005, Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama wrote: >Wow, I wonder what the image on this card meant to Joni. >http://www.warchild.ca/merchandise_cards.asp > >Every Child represents the union of the Apple Mind. > Naw... it can't be that. Sure, it can be that and more. How about the "panel" to the left of the child representing fire? See the rising embers? And to the right of the child, I detect a face (eye, nose, mouth) in that section of the painting. Is it the man in the moon or perhaps the surface of an icy distant planet? A little more duality to ponder... Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:53:04 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Riding on the City of New Orleans njc Michael, have a great tour! Arlo's one of my faves, I saw him a few short years ago with his son (Abe?). Michael Paz wrote: > Well kids here we geaux. I leave tomorrow to Chicago to start the Arlo > Guthrie and Friends tour on the City of New Orleans train. I hope some of > you can come out and see me along the way. Please see > http://www.risingson.com for all the details. > > I did an interview on WWNO radio (89.9FM New Orleans) with Susan Roesgen > for NPR radio which airs on Monday at 4:30pmcst. Listen in if you can. > Awesome! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:59:59 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: holiday cards designed by Joni - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Well, you know that only Joni would create a > greeting card that merits this kind of analysis - > well done, Jim. > I was convinced that Joni had taken the pic of herself from the inside of DJRD as a child beating a drum and transformed it into an African child, but, although there are certain similarities, the drum's at a different angle and so on. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #446 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)