From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #437 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, November 25 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 437 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Travel songs, njc ["Ross, Les" ] Re: one up on you [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Tift Merritt, njc [Bob Muller ] NJC Re: Desktop pic #17 [Bob Muller ] Re: Blue Boy [LCStanley7@aol.com] RE: Tift Merritt, njc ["Richard Flynn" ] Leonard Cohen now NJC [Joseph Palis ] Re: Travel songs, njc [Joseph Palis ] RE: Aimee Mann/NJC [Joseph Palis ] Re: Leonard Cohen now NJC [Em ] Vernors, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Happy Thanksgiving To All!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Peep Richman ] re: Blue Boy, now Leonard Cohen ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Travel songs, njc ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Blue Boy, now Leonard Cohen ["Mark Scott" ] Re: American Music Awards, njc ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Blue Boy, now Leonard Cohen [Randy Remote ] Re: American Music Awards / Joni's Larry? / Thanksgiving [Smurf ] Re: American Music Awards / Joni's Larry? / Thanksgiving [Randy Remote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:47:30 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: RE: Travel songs, njc > Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama wrote: > > Today's the most popular day of travel in my country. What's you > favorite song about traveling homeward? I'm trying to remember the name of a song (?) by Weather Report I was listening to one time many years ago when I'd driven through the night from London to my mother's home in the Scottish Highlands. About a 600 mile trip. I'd just driven over the last hill on the Black Isle and the road swept in a clear curve down to the edge of the Cromarty Firth before arcing across a causeway into the next county. Said song had just settled into a very chilled passage featuring Jaco Pastorious' playing and it was like a great exhalation. Almost home. The town, some ten miles further along the coast, visible now in the first light of the morning. I tried to 'work' it to be playing when I drove up on subsequent occasions but it never arrived at that passage at the critical moment. Oh well, I remember it distinctly after all these years and will always associate it with travelling home. Other than that, there's Rickie Lee Jones' Last Chance Texaco, Shawn Colvin's Witchita Skyline and Joni's Refuge of the Roads. I'm listening with great delight to Kate Bush's Aerial and 'A Coral Room' sounds like it'll take its place in that list too. Les (London) NP on my ipod, Aerial - Kate Bush ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 03:38:10 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: one up on you In Israel there's also only 2 kinds of music - the awful one everybody's listening to and Joni singing in my mind... Love, Nuriel MIKE HICKS wrote: >one up on you>>>> Down here in South Carolina there's only two kinds of music.....country AND western. Mike NP: Broken Social Scene - Swimmers - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:20:07 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Tift Merritt, njc Thanks for the review, Laurent - Tift plays here in town every so often, I'll have to make a point to catch her next time. I did buy "Bramble Rose" when it came out & I liked but not really my style. She may have a bigger following in Europe than she has here in the states. You also failed to mention the fact that she's VERY good-looking. Or maybe you didn't notice? ;~) Bob NP: The Blue Man Group, "What Is Rock" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:33:45 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Re: Desktop pic #17 Good one, Mark - and in true Joni tradition there's even a hidden pee-pee in the picture. Happy Thanksgiving to all my JMDL buddies in the US and happy Thursday to the rest of you. I'm thankful for the turkey on my table but NOT for the turkey in the White House. Bob NP: Death Cab For Cutie, "Why You'd Want To Live Here" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:38:44 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Boy Warren wrote: Ahhhh..."Blue Boy"...what a beautiful composition, one of my favorites as a matter of fact. I find the meaning of the lyrics to be quite simple. The lady was quite enamored of the boy, worshipped him in fact." Like a pilgrim she traveled..." The boy was apparently very indifferent. The lady would have done anything to please him, make him love her, but his feelings didn't change," He always looked the same." After countless encounters she tires of his lack of love for her and becomes indifferent too, " Till he finds a lady statue..." I had an experience exactly like this..possibly that has colored my take on it. Naturally I took the role of " the lady" in the song... Hi Warren, I love this song too. Here are the lyrics: BLUE BOY Lady called the blue boy, love, She took him home Made himself an idol, yes, So he turned to stone Like a pilgrim she travelled To place her flowers Before his granite grace And she prayed aloud for love To waken in his face In his face, oh __________ Sometimes in the evening He would read to her Roll her in his arms And give his seed to her She would wake in the morning Without him And go to the window And look out thru the pane But the statue in her garden He always looked the same He looked the same, ah _________ Bring her boots of leather And she will dance for him Shyly from a feather fan She'll glance for him Here he comes after midnight To find her again He will come few times more Till he finds a lady statue Standing in a door In her door, oh __________ The "made himself an idol" part... Who made who an idol? If it was written, "made him an idol" then I would think it was her making an idol of him. But, did he make himself and idol? Did he have a big ego that kept him distanced from her? I interpret the song as meaning a one night stand. He got what he wanted, was given it since she took the lead, but she wanted more so she would have dreams about him until she finally lost interest in him to equal his disinterest in her. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:04:51 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Tift Merritt, njc I thought "Bramble Rose" was underwhelming, too, but her second CD "Tambourine" is excellent, one of my recent favorites. Blue-eyed soul flavor that is much different from the country stylings of her first effort. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 9:20 AM To: Laurent Olszer; joni@smoe.org; 'Karel Beer'; 'Alain Duquesnes'; rockandmail@rtl.fr; 'maidiroth'; "'Fridiric" Consult Position'; 'Serge Poiraudeau' Subject: Re: Tift Merritt, njc Thanks for the review, Laurent - Tift plays here in town every so often, I'll have to make a point to catch her next time. I did buy "Bramble Rose" when it came out & I liked but not really my style. She may have a bigger following in Europe than she has here in the states. You also failed to mention the fact that she's VERY good-looking. Or maybe you didn't notice? ;~) Bob NP: The Blue Man Group, "What Is Rock" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:55:10 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Leonard Cohen now NJC What do you think of "Beautiful Losers", Em? I read this non-linear book about four characters (three of them dead) and thought it was a brilliant experiment of mixing time and space to the narrative. Kateri Tekakwitha is such a great character that I hope someday a director of well-established quirk will direct it. I would like to see either Terry Zwigoff or Terrence Malick do it. Anyway, after reading "Beautiful Losers", I heard that there is this singer-songwriter named Leonard Cohen and I wondered if he and the writer of BL are the same. Imagine my surprise when a friend told me that they are one and the same, I said "You mean Leonard Cohen IS a singer too?" Haha. It is like this commercial of Kenny Rogers Chicken where a customer was asked if she also listens to Kenny Rogers' records, she asked, wide-eyed, "You mean he is also a singer?" Joseph in Chapel Hill (my mind is still in the beautiful West Palm Beach with strange birds that looked like pelicans and buzzards very close to the waters) np: Pat Metheny Group - Letters from Home Em a icrit : wow I just found out "Beautiful Losers" wasn't as autobiographical as I thought it was. That said, it *has* been good 25 years since I read it. Anyway, what the heck... maybe RNH is about him. Puts a whole new spin on things. I'm kind of devastated though. Em - --------------------------------- Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Tilichargez le ici ! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:00:01 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Travel songs, njc On our way back from West Palm Beach to Chapel Hill, we listened to: Matt Bianco (feat. Basia) - Matt's Mood (Great driving music) Celia Cruz - Exitos (that includes a fun version of "I Will Survive" where Celia rolls the Rrrrs like no one) Pat Metheny Group - Letters from Home (I memorized the vocal parts of Pedro Aznar in all the songs -- I'm pathetic) Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Pat Metheny Group -- 5-5-7 Em a icrit : Peter Schilling's "Major Tom (I'm Coming Home)" and a couple that *feel* like coming (or going) home songs, Bob D's "You Ain't Going Nowhere" Emmylou Harris' "Boulder to Birmingham". those are off the top of my head, and are all 3 songs I just adore. Not sure B2B is about "coming home" but it feels that way to me. Em - --- "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" wrote: > Today's the most popular day of travel in my country. What's you > favorite > song about traveling homeward? > > Mine: "Call The Angels" by some chick in upstate New York named Patti > Witten. > > Call the angels > I'm gonna make it > Calling Eric, Bruce and Mary Ellin > call the angels > I got something to tell them > ------- > Hello Dad, I'm glad you made it > Hello Eric, Bruce and Mary Ellin > Call the angels > Tell them "hi" from me. > > It's on the "PRAIRIE DOLL" CD, available on CD Baby the last time I > looked. > > All the best, > Jim L'Hommedieu > Dayton, OH, US - --------------------------------- Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Tilichargez le ici ! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:06:29 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE: Aimee Mann/NJC I saw Aimee Mann in concert in Raleigh this summer. She was incredible and she sang the songs from her latest release "The Forgotten Arm" which I think is one of 2005's best album releases -- but then that's just probably me. Her voice has this detachment that I prefer generally although I also like singers with emotive qualities like the best of cabaret singers whose vocal range is limited but can convey tons through economies of scale. I can't wait to hear Aimee's take of "River". Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Pat Metheny Group - The Dream of the Return (vocals by Pedro Aznar) MIKE HICKS a icrit : Saw Aimee in the summer of '04. She went out back of this small venue to sign autographs in the rain. Someone held a small umbrella over her as she signed and stood for photographs until every person was satisfied. A great performer and a very genuine person. BTW, try out Michael Penn's new album. It is very good also. Mike NP: Stars - Look Up - --------------------------------- Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Tilichargez le ici ! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:19:54 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen now NJC Good morning Joseph, I remember being blown away by BL, way back when. I realize now though, it was eons ago. Well, at least a quarter century. And confusingly enough, I had it in my head that the book was autobiographical! So i thought LC was raised in a Catholic Orphanage, had a Tekakwitha obsession, etc. LOL! guess I was wrong! I need to re-read it. I recall that the book was moving to the point of being heartbreaking, along with whatever other characteristics were particularly moving. Need to re-read! I already knew of LC as a singer and a writer of some of the very best songs. I like the Kenny Rogers Chicken "coincidence". Have a wonderful day Joseph, and all. Em - --- Joseph Palis wrote: > What do you think of "Beautiful Losers", Em? I read this non-linear > book about four characters (three of them dead) and thought it was a > brilliant experiment of mixing time and space to the narrative. > Kateri Tekakwitha is such a great character that I hope someday a > director of well-established quirk will direct it. I would like to > see either Terry Zwigoff or Terrence Malick do it. > > Anyway, after reading "Beautiful Losers", I heard that there is > this singer-songwriter named Leonard Cohen and I wondered if he and > the writer of BL are the same. Imagine my surprise when a friend told > me that they are one and the same, I said "You mean Leonard Cohen IS > a singer too?" Haha. It is like this commercial of Kenny Rogers > Chicken where a customer was asked if she also listens to Kenny > Rogers' records, she asked, wide-eyed, "You mean he is also a > singer?" > > Joseph in Chapel Hill > (my mind is still in the beautiful West Palm Beach with strange > birds that looked like pelicans and buzzards very close to the > waters) > > np: Pat Metheny Group - Letters from Home > > > Em a icrit : > > wow I just found out "Beautiful Losers" wasn't as autobiographical as > I > thought it was. That said, it *has* been good 25 years since I read > it. > Anyway, what the heck... maybe RNH is about him. Puts a whole new > spin > on things. I'm kind of devastated though. > Em > > > > > --------------------------------- > Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! > Messenger > Tilichargez le ici ! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:43:09 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Vernors, njc Vernors History Without the Civil War, there would be no Vernors. Before the conflict began, James Vernor, a Detroit pharmacist, had concocted a new drink. It was a mix of 19 ingredients, including ginger, vanilla and natural flavorings. When Vernor was called off to war in 1862, he stored the secret mixture in an oak cask in his pharmacy. After returning from battle four years later, he opened his secret keg and found the drink inside had been transformed by the aging process in the wood. It had taken on a zippy, zesty, gingery flavor. It was like nothing else he had ever tasted. It was Vernors. For years, the only place one could buy a Vernors was from the fountain in James Vernor's pharmacy at 233 Woodward Ave. in downtown Detroit. But demand for the drink continued to grow. Soon, soda fountains throughout the city began selling cold, carbonated Vernors. Vernor kept an ever-watchful eye on the vendors. When it came to maintaining the quality of his drink, he was a fanatic. Vernor's personal scrapbook from the time contains many of the pamphlets he sent to soda fountain owners. Those pamphlets "laid down the law" on how Vernors should and should not be served. This "quality control" helped build a loyal clientele for Vernors Ginger Soda. Vernor also worked with soft drink manufacturers to make their dispensing machines more practical and affordable. By 1896, the blossoming popularity of his drink led Vernor to establish his own soda fountain store. In the years that followed, Vernors became available in such distant cities as Buffalo, Toledo, Cleveland and Niagara Falls. The continuing expansion into other markets was both deliberate and methodical. Just as the process for making Vernors extract requires four long years in oak barrels, there was no rushing the marketing of Vernors. Historical records indicate that James Vernor wanted to be absolutely sure the consistency of his drink would be maintained before he granted any franchise licenses. As a result, his drink enjoyed predictable success in new cities. A soda fountain owner who wrote to Vernor in 1898 noted that the ginger soda had acquired an enthusiastic following in his city. "Its purity, delicacy of flavor and great refreshing powers have been testified to by thousands of our soda customers," the franchisee wrote. In time, The Vernors Company would open a landmark bottling operation in downtown Detroit to handle its expanding business. This riverfront business became a favorite stopping place for locals and tourists alike in the 1940s. It was here one could sip a fresh Vernors for only a nickel and watch as it was being produced. In 1966, the Vernor family sold the company to an outside investment group. Subsequently, the company was acquired by American Consumer Products and, later, by United Brands. Vernors returned to the ownership of a soft drink company when A&W Beverages, Inc. purchased The Vernors Company in 1987. Today, the brand continues under the ownership of Plano, Texas-based Cadbury Schweppes Americas Beverages, the largest non-cola soft drink enterprise in North America and the largest subsidiary of London-based Cadbury Schweppes plc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:47:46 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Happy Thanksgiving To All!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!!!!! We are all so blessed....to have one another.....to be alive in a world filled with strife....to have the blessing of hearing....hearing our Joni....and others....to have the freedom of self-expression.....to have the ability to love....to forgive....to learn....to laugh...and cry....to help others in need....to be able to accept love & support when we too are in need.....to be able to evaluate our lives, make healthier decisions, forgive our 'mistakes'..... to make new commitments and carry them through....to enjoy belly laughs as well as healing tears....to reach new levels of personal potential..... I am thankful to all of you, who have supported me through very tough times in my life. I am thankful to you for enriching me with your insights, your sensitivities, your musical discoveries, deep and rich insights into Joni, her lyrics, her immeasurably magnificent musical talentS, her art....her unique ability to see life from both sides and help us through our lives. I am thankful to have the gift of life. You have ALL touched my heart in many, many ways...special Digest friends who have taken the time to share their support and love.....I am so very thankful to all of my Digest friends. If this sounds syrupy...too sentimental....please read the sincerity and the spirit in which this is written. Special note to Suze....you wrote and touched my soul. Be safe...happy, full, and filled with the blessings of new memories of love. You are in my thoughts, prayers and special wishes. With this posting comes my love. Bo Bo - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:44:40 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: RE: Tift Merritt, njc Richard wrote: I thought "Bramble Rose" was underwhelming, too, but her second CD "Tambourine" is excellent, one of my recent favorites. Me: I saw 3 albums on Amazon, Tambourine being the 3rd. Bob wrote: She may have a bigger following in Europe than she has here in the states. You also failed to mention the fact that she's VERY good-looking. Or maybe you didn't notice? ;~) Me: No she's not known here at all. It was her 1st gig in Paris, she mentioned she did play in front of 7 people in someone's apartment once. I'm not sure how to answer your 2nd comment. Let's just say that I'm more in love with her voice than her body. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:19:01 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Blue Boy, now Leonard Cohen Randy wrote: <> Hey Randy, thanks for that cool information! I really love that title: Backstage Passes and Backstabbing Bastards. I'm gonna have to look for this one. Do you think that this drummer was the inspiration behind Joni's Conversation..."I only say hello, and turn away, before his lady knows, how much I want to see him..." ? Or even Go Tell the Drummer Man ..."Go tell the drummer man, the time glass is out of sand..." ? Mia ps. I've had at least three posts that bounced in the last two weeks. This one may bounce, too. Anyone else been having the same problem? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:27:41 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Travel songs, njc - ----- Original Message ----- > --- "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" wrote: > >> Today's the most popular day of travel in my country. What's you >> favorite >> song about traveling homeward? >> I like this thread. Some of you have reminded me of one or two I had forgotten: Never Been Gone - Carly Simon Homeward Bound - Simon & Garfunkel Home Again - Carole King Been to Canaan - Carole King Blue Motel Room - Joni Mitchell Goin' Back to Harlan - Emmylou Harris' version of the McGarrigle Sisters song Home - Bonnie Raitt's version of the Karla Bonoff song Walking Home - Iris Dement Wuthering Heights - Kate Bush Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:25:13 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Blue Boy, now Leonard Cohen > Box of Paints wrote: > >> > And isn't there generally considered to be a Leonard Cohen connection >> > to >> > Rainy Night House ? Here's some info that Simon posted to the list back in 1999: as for Leonard in JONI's work, well that's a little easier. once again, From: "Various Positions: A Life Of Leonard Cohen" In 1967, Cohen began a romantic relationship with Joni Mitchell, whom he first met at the Newport Folk Festival. He would visit her at the Earl Hotel on Waverly Place in the Village and since Mitchell frequently played in Montreal, she would spend time with Cohen there, writing the song "Rainy Night House" about their visit to his mother's home. When Cohen went to Los Angeles in the fall of 1968, he spent nearly a month with her at her new Laurel Canyon home. Cohen, Mitchell acknowledges, inspired her, giving her another standard in songwriting, although sometimes his presence surprised her---as when she found his name inscribed on the back of a heavy pendulum that fell off an antique clock she owned. He and Dylan, she has remarked, were her "pace runners," the ones that kept her heading to new and higher musical ground. Cohen characterized their relationship as "the extension of our friendship," a friendship that has endured. (pg. 156) --------- Following his father's death, Cohen won a significant dispute with his mother over custody of Nathan's pistol, a military souvenir. Cohen had been fascinated by his father's military exploits and at one time Nathan had spoken of sending Cohen to a military college, an idea Cohen eagerly accepted. The FAVORITE GAME describes the dispute over the gun, presented as an important talisman: a "huge .38 in a thick leather case ... Lethal, angular, precise, it smoldered in the dark drawer with dangerous potential. The metal was always cold." Cohen has always been fascinated by weapons, reflected in his novel BEAUTIFUL LOSERS. "I loved the magic of guns," the character F. declares. For several years Cohen himself kept a gun. In her lyric to "Rainy Night House," Joni Mitchell describes how she and Cohen took a taxi to his mother's house in Westmount during her absence: "she went to Florida and left you with your father's gun alone." (pg. 17) He goes on to say that 'The Priest' was also inspired by Cohen. Judy Collins retrospective of Cohen includes the song 'Night Comes On' that has the lyric: We were fighting in Egypt When they signed this agreement That nobody else had to die There was this terrible sound And my father went down With a terrible wound in his side He said, Try to go on Take my books, take my gun Remember, my son, how they lied FWIW Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:47:11 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: American Music Awards, njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" > Thanks for asking, Jim... > It was nowhere near as horrible as the last MTV Music Awards. > But 3 hours is just too danged long!! > Still worth it to see Santana and Los Lonely Boys blow the roof > off the place. Carlos should join the band, they could conquer > the world. Also, I've seen Sheryl Crow do "Good is Good" on > about 4 other shows-this was her best rendition IMO, and her > new album is really good, too, and deserves better reviews than it's > gotten. Eurythmics was kinda fun. Stones good as always despite > technical problems. Mariah, thanks for the dress. > RR I thought the Eurythmics were too loud. Annie sounded strained. But music almost never sounds as good as it should in a tv broadcast. I like the idea of Cyndi Lauper doing 'Time After Time' accompanying herself on the dulcimer with Sara McLachlan singing backup. But again, the sound didn't do it justice, imo. I'm not a Stones fan but I could barely hear Mick's vocals. Keith Urban came off pretty well. The audience seemed relieved and appreciative to hear some real music performed by somebody who actually seemed to be able to play and sing as opposed to people jumping around the stage lip-synching everything. And whoever decided that Lindsay Lohan could sing should have their ears examined. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:05:04 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Blue Boy, now Leonard Cohen mia ortlieb wrote: > Randy wrote: < writes of meeting Joni in a bar in NYC. She had the hots for the Blues > Project's drummer (likes those drummers!) but he was attached, so she was > crying on Kooper's shoulder.>> > > Hey Randy, thanks for that cool information! I really love that title: > Backstage Passes and Backstabbing Bastards. I'm gonna have to look for this > one. I recommend it, it's a good read > Do you think that this drummer was the inspiration behind Joni's > Conversation..."I only say hello, and turn away, before his lady knows, how > much I want to see him..." ? Hmmm....could be-same time frame... > Or even Go Tell the Drummer Man ..."Go tell > the drummer man, the time glass is out of sand..." ? Is that one of her early ones? I don't recall it...if so, probably yet another drummer! Mark Scott wrote: > Here's some info that Simon posted to the list back in 1999: > > --as when > she found his name inscribed on the back of a heavy pendulum that fell > off an antique clock she owned. Thanks for the info, Mark- maybe she was eventually creeped out by his guns and pranks....It would seem that NRH is about Cohen-although songs are sometimes composites-like Guinnevere being inspired by Joni and 2 other women. I'm sure Al Kooper was not the only one who "sat up all night and watched me to see who in the world I might be". RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:21:11 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: American Music Awards / Joni's Larry? / Thanksgiving Did anyone else notice that this show was produced by Larry Klein, who is, I assume, the same Larry who was married to Joni? Also, Mariah Carey said a thank-you to him for something, but I missed it. I have been watching TV off and on for the last week or so because my computer was off in Appleland getting a new hard drive. I am amazed at how awful TV has become in the 2 or 3 years I have been not been watching it. I thought this year's American Music Awards was particularly wretched. I didn't enjoy ANYONE who wasn't over 40 years old, and I think the audience often appeared to agree with me. When I think of all the young people with talent -- many of whom I've learned about through this list -- who weren't on this show and don't even get much notice from the biz, it makes me sad and mad. Also, because of my hearing problem, I have grown used to using the closed captioning feature, and some of the lyrics I read during this broadcast were soooo bad -- take a bow, Lindsay Lohan -- that I was cringing fitfully. While we're on the subject of Thanksgiving, I am truly thankful to Les for this list and for all the talented, smart, funny, warm and wonderful people I have grown to know, on and off list. I am even thankful for Bob Muller. I have missed you all during my computer woes -- although I did read the list quickly every day at work -- and it's nice to read the list at my leisure again. Gobble, - --Smurf __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:23:18 -0600 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: Blue Boy, now Leonard Cohen On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:25:13 -0800 "Mark Scott" wrote: >> Box of Paints wrote: >> >>> > And isn't there generally considered to be a Leonard >>>Cohen connection >>> > to >>> > Rainy Night House ? > > Here's some info that Simon posted to the list back in >1999: Excellent information, Mark. That the song may be, as Randy notes, about several people is certainly possible, but Leonard has to be in there--too much for a coincidence. Btw, Do people know that Cohen was recently ripped off by his manager for millions of dollars? His entire retirement savings. His lawyers are trying to recover what they can ... Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:05:07 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: American Music Awards / Joni's Larry? / Thanksgiving Smurf wrote: > Did anyone else notice that this show was produced by > Larry Klein, who is, I assume, the same Larry who was > married to Joni? Also, Mariah Carey said a thank-you > to him for something, but I missed it. Oh, yeah, I saw that, too. How very upscale. (Mariah said that her dress wasn't ready and her ear monitors weren't ready, and apologized to the crowd if her performance wasn't good [it was fine] and thanked LK for helping her as the curtain rose. Or something like that.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:09:22 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Happy Thanksgiving JMDL!!! On this day of Thanksgiving I am reminded of the enormity of friendship that I am blessed with here. And for that I am deeply thankful and my whole family is most grateful. Things are not that much better in Louisiana, but still we have a lot to be thankful for. The music community is trying to help itself instead of waiting on the government to do something for us. I saw my friend Clint Maedgen playing sax with the Preservation Hall Band on the Macy's parade on TV this am. The turkey is out and the front of the parade of casseroles has started thru my oven. We have about 20 people coming over to share dinner with us and we will have a lovely evening of food, wine, and music (and of course a martini or two). I wish you all a very warm and happy thanksgiving (yes even you Brits, Aussies, South Africans, Dutch, French, Spanish, at least one Argentine Che, and even my former bitches from Birmingham {who were suppose to be here with me today, but who's whining???}. I also ask that everyone keep my friend Chris Whitley (Living With the Law w/ Daniel Lanois etc etc.) a great alternate tuning slide guitar playing monster who passed with lung cancer at the tender age of 45. Please stop smoking everyone! Love Paz NP-Two Sleepy People-Art Garfunkel ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #437 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)