From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #435 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 23 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 435 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: AIMEE covers RIVER [Box of Paints ] Aimee Mann njc ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Re: Aimee Mann njc ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Blue Boy - what was Joni saying? [Warrenkeith91354@aol.com] Re: Blue Boy - what was Joni saying? [Bob Muller ] Re: Blue Boy - what was Joni saying? ["Michael Flaherty" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:39:48 +0000 From: Box of Paints Subject: Re: AIMEE covers RIVER Hi Ken I'm in love with Aimee Mann and finally getting to hear her sing a song by the Other Woman in my life will be amazing! I wonder if you can hear it from the Hearmusic website? Hmmmm..... I love her voice (hey, if we like the awk, we gotta go to the awk...) as I'm a big fan of Chrissie Hynde's as well. Aimee's post punk vocal will be.... interesting to say the least.... I've checked out the website.. and no you can't hear it... poo... Can't wait! Much Joni Jamie Zoob On 21/11/05, kjhsf@aol.com wrote: > Has anyone mentioned the Aimee Mann cover of "River" available on the HEAR RECORDS Christmas Compilation sold at Starbucks? I think it's quite nice, but I am an Aimee fan, so not very objective. > > Also, whoever mentioned Sufjan Stevens in the last batch of posts I read, is right on the money. Both his "Greetings from Michigan" And "...Come on feel the Illinoise" CDs are terrific. Definitely a major, young, independent talent. > KEN > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... A Case Of You , Joni Mitchell 1971 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:21:20 +0000 From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Aimee Mann njc Bob, I deleted the original thread by mistake, but talking about Aimee Mann and our Bob's comments, I flet exactly the same about her music - it sounded flat and not interesting enough. Until something actually snapped in me and I got it! I think Lost in Space did the trick, but also Bachelor and Magnolia are among my favourites. Bob, try giving another listen to "That's How I Knew This Story Would Break My Heart" from her latest The Forgotten Arms - it's such a beautiful and heartbreaking song. I also went to one of her gigs in London last July and she really rocked! Raf. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:28:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Aimee Mann njc I saw Aimee live over 20 years ago when she and Til Tuesday opened for a Hall and Oates concert. I've been a fan since then. Jerry Raffaele Malanga wrote: > Bob, > > I deleted the original thread by mistake, but talking about Aimee Mann and > our Bob's comments, I flet exactly the same about her music - it sounded > flat and not interesting enough. Until something actually snapped in me > and > I got it! I think Lost in Space did the trick, but also Bachelor and > Magnolia are among my favourites. > > Bob, try giving another listen to "That's How I Knew This Story Would > Break > My Heart" from her latest The Forgotten Arms - it's such a beautiful and > heartbreaking song. > > I also went to one of her gigs in London last July and she really rocked! > > Raf. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:11:24 EST From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Boy - what was Joni saying? Hi Dale and welcome to the list! Ahhhh..."Blue Boy"...what a beautiful composition, one of my favorites as a matter of fact. I find the meaning of the lyrics to be quite simple. The lady was quite enamored of the boy, worshipped him in fact." Like a pilgrim she traveled..." The boy was apparently very indifferent. The lady would have done anything to please him, make him love her, but his feelings didn't change," He always looked the same." After countless encounters she tires of his lack of love for her and becomes indifferent too, " Till he finds a lady statue..." I had an experience exactly like this..possibly that has colored my take on it. Naturally I took the role of " the lady" in the song... Jonily Yours, Warren Keith Hi! I'm new to the list. I've always loved "Ladies of the Canyon", and wondered about the woman who becomes a "lady statue" in the end. Can anyone shed some light on these incredible, poetic lyrics? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:40:13 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Blue Boy - what was Joni saying? Hi Dale and welcome to the JMDL! For whatever reason, this discussion group has become deathly slow...maybe the holiday, maybe something else, I dunno. And it might even be your question...I've been a part of the group for a long time and don't recall a lot of talk about Blue Boy. It's certainly not a favorite for many, and I imagine it gets overlooked a lot. I've probably been guilty of that myself and have never thought too much about it. Searching the jmdl site, I noticed that there are no library references to it, so Joni hasn't talked much about it either. I'm not sure how much of the story was related to personal experience...almost like it's a little morality play or something, and that by putting this guy on a pedestal or making an idol of him, she realizes that she too will become statue-like and cease to change. And I wonder about the title - Blue Boy conjures up the famous painting by Gainesborough, and wasn't there a companion piece as well of a young lady? Anyway, more questions than answers from me on this one, I'm afraid - but lots of room for some future discussion! Bob NP: Led Zeppelin, "Hats Off To Roy Harper" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:26:23 -0600 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: Blue Boy - what was Joni saying? On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:40:13 -0800 (PST) Bob Muller wrote: > And I wonder about the title - Blue Boy conjures up the >famous painting by Gainesborough, and wasn't there a >companion piece as well of a young lady? Not exactly. The Huntington museum has hung a painting of a young girl ("Pinkie) next to it, but it's by a different painter and was done later. As a result, they've become a "pair". The girl portrayed in Pinkie died soon after the portrait was done; her younger brother was the infamous father of Elizabeth Barret Browning. I doubt that helps, but there it is. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:10:34 +0000 From: Box of Paints Subject: Re: Blue Boy - what was Joni saying? Hmmm There could be several 'companion pieces' to Gainsborough's The Blue Boy, mainly 'Lady In Blue' - could this be the lady? I dunno... It's all conjecture. Or is it? I think some digging needs to happen. To me this songs sounds like it is one of those songs 'inspired by' a piece of art so we may be on the right track but of course, it's a 'but what does it mean to you?' thing going on. Much Joni Jamie Zoob On 22/11/05, Michael Flaherty wrote: > On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:40:13 -0800 (PST) > Bob Muller wrote: > > And I wonder about the title - Blue Boy conjures up the > >famous painting by Gainesborough, and wasn't there a > >companion piece as well of a young lady? > > Not exactly. The Huntington museum has hung a painting of > a young girl ("Pinkie) next to it, but it's by a different > painter and was done later. As a result, they've become a > "pair". > > The girl portrayed in Pinkie died soon after the portrait > was done; her younger brother was the infamous father of > Elizabeth Barret Browning. > > I doubt that helps, but there it is. > > Michael Flaherty > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... A Case Of You , Joni Mitchell 1971 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:34:14 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Blue Boy - what was Joni saying? njc - --- Michael Flaherty wrote: > On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:40:13 -0800 (PST) > Bob Muller wrote: > > And I wonder about the title - Blue Boy conjures > up the > >famous painting by Gainesborough, and wasn't there > a > >companion piece as well of a young lady? > > Not exactly. The Huntington museum has hung a > painting of > a young girl ("Pinkie) next to it, but it's by a > different > painter and was done later. As a result, they've > become a > "pair". > > The girl portrayed in Pinkie died soon after the > portrait > was done; her younger brother was the infamous > father of > Elizabeth Barret Browning. > > I doubt that helps, but there it is. > > Michael Flaherty > Nevertheless, it is very interesting. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:45:03 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Blue Boy - what was Joni saying? - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Hi Dale and welcome to the JMDL! > > For whatever reason, this discussion group has > become deathly slow...maybe the holiday, maybe > something else, I dunno. > > And it might even be your question...I've been a > part of the group for a long time and don't recall a > lot of talk about Blue Boy. It's certainly not a > favorite for many, and I imagine it gets overlooked > a lot. I've probably been guilty of that myself and > have never thought too much about it. > > Searching the jmdl site, I noticed that there are > no library references to it, so Joni hasn't talked > much about it either. I'm not sure how much of the > story was related to personal experience...almost > like it's a little morality play or something, and > that by putting this guy on a pedestal or making an > idol of him, she realizes that she too will become > statue-like and cease to change. Dang, Muller! That made me think of the Greek myth of Pygmalion and Ganymede. Pygmalion makes a statue of a beautiful girl and fell in love with it. Aphrodite turns her into a real live girl and Bob's your uncle! (or you). Here's the Bullfinch story (fairly short): http://www.loggia.com/myth/galatea.html And here's a whole freakin' website dedicated to Pygy things: http://www.pygmalion.ws/stories/ I never thought of it before, but Joni's song is kind of the opposite of the Pygmalion/Galatea story. It's not one of my favourite songs, but as usual with Joan, there's always something there. P.S. Welcome, Dale. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:09:48 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Blue Boy - what was Joni saying? In the July1969 Mississippi River Festival show Joni says in the introduction to Rainy Night House and Blue Boy that they are two sides to a story and felt that they went together. She called them "Two Houses". Apparently they didn't have separate titles yet. Later in Nov 1969 at the Troubador she says " The first one doesn't have a name yet, the second is called "The Ballad Of The Blue Boy", also played together. Not that this answers anything. Just a couple of clues. Doug Dale Garratt wrote: >Hi! I'm new to the list. I've always loved "Ladies of the Canyon", and >wondered about the woman who becomes a "lady statue" in the end. Can anyone >shed some light on these incredible, poetic lyrics? > >Thanks! > >Dale Garratt >Asan, Korea ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #435 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)