From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #414 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, November 5 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 414 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Remix Project [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Desktop Pic #7 [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #312 [ROBMSTEEN@aol.com] Desktop Pic #8 [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Laura Love to-nite! NJC [Em ] Re: Emmylou at Rufus's NYC concert [njc] [Jerry Notaro ] Banquet - a drug song??? ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Banquet - a drug song??? [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Banquet - a drug song??? [Gary Z ] Joni Mitchell Online Birthday! ["Thomas Callahan" ] Re: Banquet - a drug song??? ["Mark Scott" ] Re: For free [Smurf ] Re: For free [Em ] Richard Thompson, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Richard Thompson, njc [Em ] RE: Richard Thompson, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Banquet - a drug song??? [Gary Z ] Re: njc, paved paradise [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Banquet - a drug song??? ["mia ortlieb" ] RE: Banquet - a drug song??? ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Amelia ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Richard Thompson, njc [Bob Muller ] Re: Richard Thompson, njc [Em ] Re: Richard Thompson, njc [Bob Muller ] RE: Richard Thompson, njc ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: My Secret Place / Joni & Corbijn [Box of Paints ] RE: Richard Thompson, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] If only I could go... njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: If only I could go... njc [JRMCo1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 20:31:58 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni Remix Project Hi Nuri. I actually do have all of those mixes and yes, I could easily download them too. There are probably more bootleg mixes of it floating around out there. I decided not to include them because they are only small samples. It's really all Janet. I'd rather have all Joni. Remixed, rather than samples. If this remix project really drags on far too long and I just can't find enough to fill the disc, I will reconsider putting "Got till It's Gone" on it. As it is, there are already 6 remixes of Big Yellow Taxi. The tracks so far for those who are interested are: 1. Fun, Fun, Fun (Cabbage Head Mix) (sampled from the Isle of Wight Festival) 2. Like Woodstock (a mash-up of Joni with Soundgarden and samples from the Woodstock Festival) 3. Big Yellow Taxi ("Friends" Version) 4. Conversation (mikey Palms Remix) 5. Big Yellow Taxi (Double Esspresson NRG Mix) 6. The Jungle Line (Gerime Gungle Mix) (mixed by JMDL's Gerime - the mix name was my idea) 7. Woodstock (Angry Mexican DJs Mix) 8. Big Yellow Taxi (Traffic Jam Mix) 9. Shiny Toys (Francois Kevorkian Remix) 10. Big Yellow Taxi (N.Y. Cab To Club Mix) 11. Impossible Dreamer/Heaven (Joni and Miles Jaye - another mash-up by a JMDLer) 12. Big Yellow Taxi (Late Nite Club Mix) 13. Big Yellow Taxi (Tribal Dub) 14. Songs To Aging Children Come (Kodomotach Remix) (Susuma Yokoda - thanks to Bob for this one) Mark in Sydney NP Big Yellow Taxi - ("Friends" Version) - JM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 22:00:14 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Desktop Pic #7 Hi folks. Here is another desktop pic for your enjoyment. This is my take on Impossible Dreamer. Feedback is welcome. Download the widescreen here http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2XM2WRATH3IH42L1ARKV0C05OR 1280 X 1024 here http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1UDAQFPIWWZ820SG3QS8M3CQT Mark in Sydney NP Impossible Dreamer - JM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:20:25 EST From: ROBMSTEEN@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #312 Re: Laura and Joni A recurring theme indeed. Laura was "out there" in the Sixties in the way Joni was "out there" in the Seventies - on her own, daring to be different, inspiring and trailblazing. If it hadn't been for Laura, would there have been a Joni - or, at least, the sort of Joni we know and love? Then again, it could be asked whether, had there not been a Carole, talking about the rain in September and a-loco-ing the Loco-motion, would there have been a Laura? Pointless, really, but it's good to be able to trace the line. Much Joni indeedy! Rob NP Absolute by Scritti Politti Rob Steen 3 Langton Terrace Falmouth Cornwall TR11 2NA 01326 316289 (h) 07813 668726 (mob) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 23:44:32 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Desktop Pic #8 Wow, that was quick. Sitting at home alone on a Friday night. Here's another desktop pic. This time it's, See You Sometime. 1024 X 640 http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0K72O2Y25FKIG255U0JLX1TI1G 1280 X 1024 http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=25QKS2XC6BGGN0CI1ENZ3NYXRO Mark in Sydney NP Winter Lady - Gary Z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 05:02:55 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Laura Love to-nite! NJC Bob, it was more delicious than I could have even imagined. She really grabs my heart, Ms Love. One thing is that I could see her, say, a decade ago, having tarted herself up like record co's tend to want women to do, and gone the "diva" route. Whatever you call that music, like they sing on American Idol. Because to an extent, that must be tempting. The $$$. But she prefers keeping it on a smaller human level and having contact with her crowd. Her music, and the sweet but intelligent vibe - created friendship among that crowd. Her interaction with her duo partner Jen Todd was way fun to watch, those 2 are so in synch. They got one acoustic guitar and a bass, really REALLY rockin. Laura Love is all over that bass, too. And I'm picky about this stuff. I could go on and on with details, but I can distill my thoughts and come up with the fact that the experience was simply delightful. And energizing! Wonderful crowd, of open, friendly, happy people. Wishing you a wonderful time at Richard Thompson. I've never seen him live, but I do love him too. Would love to see how its LOOKS when he works his miracles on the guitar. :) Em - --- Bob Muller wrote: > That's great indeed, Em - hope it's everything you want and then > some. I'm excited about seeing Richard Thompson at The Handlebar this > Saturday, he was great last time and I'm expecting more of the same > this time. Live music rocks! > > Bob > > NP: John Doe, "Ready" (X fans take note - this 2005 release is damn > good!) > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:04:53 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Emmylou at Rufus's NYC concert [njc] > It's true. > Emmylou flew from two days doing full sets as part of the Annual Bridge > School Benefit Concert at Shoreline Amphitheater this past weekend (I wasn't > there) , to ... NYC, and was at Rufus Wainwright's WANT Tour kickoff at The > Beacon Theater, in the audience and backstage (I WAS there)... > He was magnificent ... She looked amazing. > They're both doing the Dec. 21st Carnegie Hall show: "The McGarrigle > Christmas Hour" with Kate & Anna and many other guests, and the new CD drops > ?this week? > http://www.nonesuch.com/Hi_Band/index_frameset2.cfm?pointer=mcgarrigle.jpg > ~Richard, back in San Francisco > Got my copy on Tuesday. Will soon be my favorite Christmas cd, up there with The Roches. I'd kill to see that Carnegie Hall show! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:42:47 EST From: JasonMaloney71@aol.com Subject: My Secret Place / Joni & Corbijn The "rarely played" promotional music video for My Secret Place appears on the DVD of photographer/director Anton Corbijn's work, which came out a couple of weeks back. It's one of the main reasons I decided to get the DVD, as well as the presence of his work with David Sylvian, Depeche Mode, Echo & The Bunnymen and others. I'd never seen the clip before, and was incredibly curious! In Corbijn's handwritten notes, he mentions that Joni sought his services after seeing one of his Depeche Mode videos from 1987 - she liked the shots of fields in grainy B&W, so that was probably Never Let Me Down Again. I was quite pleased to discover this, as a huge DM fan and someone who ranks My Secret Place at, or very near, the top of his favourite Joni songs. Does anyone know what Joni made of the finished product? Corbijn doesn't say, or whether they subsequently worked together again either in video or photographic terms. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:24:57 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set From: Gary Z >>"Willy" at the piano brought tears to my eyes. For those who are not >>familiar with this show, I believe it is her American debut, and she also >>performs "Chelsea Morning," "For Free" and "Fiddle and the Drum." "Willy" >>and "For Free" all I can say is that the performance is so honest. . . so real. . . that is where I want to be. LOve Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:30:00 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Joni on the Dick Cavett, now Janis njc And to see Janis Joplin. . such a treat as I said before that I really didn't know Janis that well. . but she really moves me. . she is another that is so real. . . a certain vulnerability (as Bree said to me). . . and an honesty. . I want another decade ful of honesty. . how about an eternity full. . . Bring me back 60's and 70's Thank you Joni, and Janis. . and all the others. Your spirit lives with in me. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 06:42:56 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Sony BMG raping the music consumer (njc) Windows users, beware! http://www.cnet.com/4520-6033_1-6376177.html?tag=nl.e501 DRM this, Sony! By Molly Wood, section editor, CNET.com Thursday, November 3, 2005 I hope this is the week that everyone in the world finds out what a root kit is. And I hope it's a week we look back on in amazement, as we consider just how far Sony was willing to go to criminalize consumers in its efforts to preserve control over its product. Because I believe this is the week that Sony effectively declared war on the consumer, announcing what most of us had already suspected: fair use is a joke in the movie and record industry, and the companies who control mass-market content will truly stop at nothing to protect their profits. We're not gonna take it But let me start at the beginning. On Monday, October 31, alert users discovered that Sony BMG is using copy-protected CDs to surreptitiously install its digital rights management technology onto PCs. You don't have to be ripping the CD, either--just playing it from your CD-ROM drive triggers the installation. The software installs itself as a root kit, which is a set of tools commonly used to make certain files and processes undetectable, and they're the favored tool of crackers who are, as Wikipedia puts it, attempting to "maintain access to a system for malicious purposes." In fact, root kits are often classified alongside Trojan horses. And Mark Russinovich, who created a root-kit detection utility and was one of the first to blog about the Sony intrusion, discovered another little gem when he tried to remove the DRM drivers. It broke his computer--disabling his CD drive. So, I think we all agree that this is pretty bad, right? Tell it! Post your comment hereSo, let's make this a bit more explicit. You buy a CD. You put the CD into your PC in order to enjoy your music. Sony grabs this opportunity to sneak into your house like a virus and set up camp, and it leaves the backdoor open so that Sony or any other enterprising intruder can follow and have the run of the place. If you try to kick Sony out, it trashes the place. And what does this software do once it's on your PC? Well, here is (via David Berlind's excellent breakdown of the issue) what Amazon's CD listing page has to say on the subject: "This product limits your ability to make multiple digital copies of its content, and you will not be able to play this disc or make copies onto devices not listed as compatible. Content/copy protected CDs should allow limited burning, as well as ripping into secure Windows Media Audio formats for playback with most compatible media players and portable devices. In rare cases, these CDs may not be compatible with computer CD-ROM players, DVD players, game consoles, or car CD stereos, and often are not transferable to other formats like MP3." So it's not just the black hat tactics. The DRM itself is almost unbelievably restrictive, and some have suggested that the reasoning behind it is part of Sony's ongoing war over digital music supremacy with the decidedly more supreme Apple. Here's how Engadget summarizes a recent article from Variety: "The new copy protection scheme--which makes it difficult to rip CDs and listen to them with an iPod--is designed to put pressure on Apple to open the iPod to other music services, rather than making it dependent on the iTunes Music Store for downloads." I wish I could say that was a joke, but apparently, it's not. In fact, some of the artists involved didn't give permission to Sony to use the backdoor DRM technology, and want no part of it. Amazing. Happily, and despite the use of scary words like root kit, this story hit the Web in a big way. The PR for Sony is, shall we say, not good. By Wednesday, November 2, Sony had announced that it would, in conjunction with the company that developed this bad black hat idea in the first place (First4Internet) release a patch to antivirus companies so that hackers wouldn't, hopefully, be able to take advantage of the backdoor they just opened on your property. So, that solved the most immediate concern, but the only thing the patch does is reveal the antipiracy software. Presumably, you'd suffer the same PC-crippling effects if you tried to remove it, and Sony continues to insist, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary, that its components weren't harmful in the first place. As for the insanely draconian copy protection--it's still cheerily intact. No, we ain't gonna take it This is an unacceptable development in digital rights enforcement. I don't know how to put this any more clearly. Don't get me wrong--we've long since crossed the line. It's utterly absurd that we accept paying for music that will play on only one or two digital audio players, at best. It's absolutely insane that anyone ever tried to put out a CD that couldn't be ripped to a PC at all. It's a complete joke that we're sitting around anticipating the day when TiVo comes along to tell us when we have to watch a recorded show, and that it will choose when a recorded show might be deleted. I can't even believe cell phone carriers think it's OK to cripple cell phone features in order to protect their own moneymaking propositions. And Hollywood's proposed new Analog Hole legislation, which would criminalize nearly every digital video activity you can think of, is another column unto itself, and it's going to be a long one. But this--using the tactics of criminals to invade our PCs without our knowledge and to expose us to further attack, just so you can keep us from, say, burning a mix CD and giving it to our friends--this is beyond the pale. And as many news sources are beginning to point out, there's some reason to think it might also be illegal, under the U.S. Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. We're not gonna take it...anymore Companies: You will never get the increasingly technology-aware, mass media-consuming populace to support your right to copy protection or digital rights management unless they are on your side. And because we are increasingly technology aware, your ever-increasing assault on not only our fair use but also our common sense will virtually guarantee that we use our God-given ingenuity to find a way around whatever bizarre restrictions you see fit to impose. Why? Not because we're dying to break the law, but because you have sold us a crappy product, and, fundamentally, because it is not our responsibility to protect your profits. What's the solution? In the near term, for us, it's not to buy any Sony CDs, and maybe not any Sony anything. In the longer term, it's to start agitating for a rewrite of copyright law in the manner so eloquently suggested recently by Walt Mossberg of the Wall Street Journal. He suggests copyright law with actual teeth that can chomp on massive-scale piracy, but with broad exemptions for personal use, because excessive DRM is hampering innovation and alienating consumers. I couldn't put it any better. And companies? Sony? Are you really going to tell us that overhauling these outmoded rules is harder and more destructive than suing retirees over honest mistakes made by their 12-year-old grandsons? This is the path you're going to choose? I'm truly sorry that there are, out there in the world, mass-production piracy operations that are digging into your bottom line, but you know what? I'm not one of them. Neither are most of the people who will be laboring under the nasty little flags, Trojan horses, and FairPlay/Plays For Sure doublespeak that you see fit to slap on the stuff we legitimately purchased. And you know who's not going to labor under those restrictions? You know who's not even going to notice? The mass-production piracy operations, that's who. You know it, and I know it. So why are you engaged in this nickel-and-dime, small-time thrust-and-parry with me and my friends? Trust me, you're not going to make back the money by dropping viruses onto my PC, because my almighty dollar and I are going elsewhere--and you're probably not going to like where I end up. Technology will march on. Technology is the reason we're in this fix in the first place, and technology will keep on giving us solutions to whatever irritating, invasive, and potentially illegal roadblocks you keep throwing in our path. And damned if we and our almighty dollars, no matter how long it takes, don't eventually win these little wars. __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:44:00 -0600 From: roberto munguia Subject: Re: Desktop Pic #7 Mark GOOD ONE!! This is one my favorite Joni songs. It got me through a tough time, and inspired some writing, as well. Keep it up! Roberto in Dallas On 11/4/05, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > > Hi folks. Here is another desktop pic for your enjoyment. This is my > take on Impossible Dreamer. Feedback is welcome. > > Download the widescreen here > http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2XM2WRATH3IH42L1ARKV0C05OR > > 1280 X 1024 here > http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1UDAQFPIWWZ820SG3QS8M3CQT > > Mark in Sydney > > NP Impossible Dreamer - JM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:07:04 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Banquet - a drug song??? I'm reading Karen O'Brien's "Shadows and Light" and ran across this passage about the song Banquet: "Drugs are de-romanticised [in Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire] into the reality of 'Red water in the the bathroom sink, Fever and the scum brown bowl' but given that drug use was - and is - so commonplace among musicians, including many of Mitchell's friends at the time, another song on the album, 'Banquet', acknowledges without any judgmental intervention that drugs can also hold the promise of escapism and enlightenment, in the way that others see religion or travel." I'm confused... how is "Banquet" a drug song? I always though it was a song about the haves and the have nots. Mia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 10:16:37 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Banquet - a drug song??? > I'm reading Karen O'Brien's "Shadows and Light" and ran across this passage > about the song Banquet: > > "Drugs are de-romanticised [in Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire] into the > reality of 'Red water in the the bathroom sink, Fever and the scum brown > bowl' but given that drug use was - and is - so commonplace among musicians, > including many of Mitchell's friends at the time, another song on the album, > 'Banquet', acknowledges without any judgmental intervention that drugs can > also hold the promise of escapism and enlightenment, in the way that others > see religion or travel." > > I'm confused... how is "Banquet" a drug song? I always though it was a song > about the haves and the have nots. > > Mia > She is probably referring to: Some turn to Jesus And some turn to heroin Some turn to rambling round Looking for a clean sky Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 10:15:52 -0500 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Banquet - a drug song??? Hi Mia, Maybe it's just the line..."Some turn to Jesus...some turn to heroin..." that brings the drug subject into the discussion. Dunno...just my two cents.... Best regards, Gary mia ortlieb wrote: > I'm reading Karen O'Brien's "Shadows and Light" and ran across this > passage about the song Banquet: > > "Drugs are de-romanticised [in Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire] into > the reality of 'Red water in the the bathroom sink, Fever and the scum > brown bowl' but given that drug use was - and is - so commonplace > among musicians, including many of Mitchell's friends at the time, > another song on the album, 'Banquet', acknowledges without any > judgmental intervention that drugs can also hold the promise of > escapism and enlightenment, in the way that others see religion or > travel." > > I'm confused... how is "Banquet" a drug song? I always though it was > a song about the haves and the have nots. > > Mia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:38:54 +0000 From: "Thomas Callahan" Subject: Joni Mitchell Online Birthday! Greetings, Join '60's Chicks', Free Online Radio at Live365.com, for a Ten Minute Musical Birthday Spotlight on singer, songwriter, poet & painter, Joni Mitchell, Monday, November 7th at 9am (PST) repeated at 3 & 6pm. If you miss the specials, Joni's music is always part of '60's Chicks' programming. Enjoy, Tom Callahan '60's Chicks' Groovy Music by Women 24/7 Free Online Radio at Live365.com http://live365.com/stations/tc_60s_ent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:19:37 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: For free From the Economist style guide: "Free is an adjective or an adverb, so you cannot have or do anything for free. Either you have it free or you have it for nothing." What would Joni say? mike in barcelona NP Solaris - Photek ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:47:35 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Banquet - a drug song??? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" ??? >> I'm reading Karen O'Brien's "Shadows and Light" and ran across this >> passage >> about the song Banquet: >> >> "Drugs are de-romanticised [in Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire] into the >> reality of 'Red water in the the bathroom sink, Fever and the scum brown >> bowl' but given that drug use was - and is - so commonplace among >> musicians, >> including many of Mitchell's friends at the time, another song on the >> album, >> 'Banquet', acknowledges without any judgmental intervention that drugs >> can >> also hold the promise of escapism and enlightenment, in the way that >> others >> see religion or travel." >> >> I'm confused... how is "Banquet" a drug song? I always though it was a >> song >> about the haves and the have nots. >> >> Mia >> > She is probably referring to: > > Some turn to Jesus > And some turn to heroin > Some turn to rambling round > Looking for a clean sky I'm sure this is the line Karen is referring to but I think she misses the point. Joni's talking about the choices people make. Maybe she's implying that people turn to one or the other for the same or similar reasons but I don't think Joni is equating one with the other (Jesus or religion = heroin or drugs = enlightenment). Just my 2 cents. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:50:59 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: For free Oh no! She'll be shaken all the way to her reoccurring, clandestine jewellllllllllllllllllllllllllllls. - --Smurf mike pritchard wrote: From the Economist style guide: "Free is an adjective or an adverb, so you cannot have or do anything for free. Either you have it free or you have it for nothing." What would Joni say? mike in barcelona NP Solaris - Photek - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:01:25 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: For free that "for free" is an idiomatic expression, and is "therefore free" of the rules and regs. ;) em - --- mike pritchard wrote: > From the Economist style guide: > > "Free is an adjective or an adverb, so you cannot have or do anything > for > free. Either you have it free or you have it for nothing." > > What would Joni say? > > mike in barcelona > NP Solaris - Photek ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 19:23:27 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Richard Thompson, njc Hi Bob You're in for a treat with Danny Thompson on bass. They might come back to Paris in January. He loves requests because that breaks his routine, so get your list ready with obscure titles. Do ask for the "brilliant" Shoot Out the Lights! Enjoy Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:35:57 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Richard Thompson, njc Danny Thompson, formerly of Pentangle?? great sound.... :) Em - --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > Hi Bob > > You're in for a treat with Danny Thompson on bass. They might come > back to > Paris in January. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 19:40:04 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: RE: Richard Thompson, njc Danny Thompson, formerly of Pentangle?? great sound.... :) Em Might be, not sure. Danny played with John Martyn a lot in the 80's Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:44:39 -0500 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Banquet - a drug song??? Yes, agreed, Mark, In my humble opinion, the fuller picture is: "Some turn to Jesus Some turn to heroin Some turn to rambling round Looking for a clean sky, and a drinking stream..." a few options here... Best regards, Gary Mark Scott wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" > ??? > > >>> I'm reading Karen O'Brien's "Shadows and Light" and ran across this >>> passage >>> about the song Banquet: >>> >>> "Drugs are de-romanticised [in Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire] into the >>> reality of 'Red water in the the bathroom sink, Fever and the scum >>> brown >>> bowl' but given that drug use was - and is - so commonplace among >>> musicians, >>> including many of Mitchell's friends at the time, another song on >>> the album, >>> 'Banquet', acknowledges without any judgmental intervention that >>> drugs can >>> also hold the promise of escapism and enlightenment, in the way that >>> others >>> see religion or travel." >>> >>> I'm confused... how is "Banquet" a drug song? I always though it >>> was a song >>> about the haves and the have nots. >>> >>> Mia >>> >> She is probably referring to: >> >> Some turn to Jesus >> And some turn to heroin >> Some turn to rambling round >> Looking for a clean sky > > > I'm sure this is the line Karen is referring to but I think she misses > the point. Joni's talking about the choices people make. Maybe she's > implying that people turn to one or the other for the same or similar > reasons but I don't think Joni is equating one with the other (Jesus > or religion = heroin or drugs = enlightenment). > > Just my 2 cents. > > Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 15:01:03 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: njc, paved paradise Chuck wrote: Woodstock for sale? say it isn't so, Max! > _http://www.robbreportcollection.com/For-Sale/Real-Estate/Real-Estate-For-Sale/Bethel-Road-Dev-LLC-10648.asp_ (http://www.robbreportcollection.com/For-Sale/Real-Estate/Real-Estate-For-Sale/Bethel-Road-Dev-LLC-10648.asp) Hi Ya'll, This would be the perfect place to be used as a permanent site for annual jonifests. Maybe Joni will buy it for us for her birthday. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:00:43 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Re: Banquet - a drug song??? <> I don't get that either. Can heroin be enlightening? How about watching the paint peel - enlightening? Or watching the kids grow = escapism? I don't think you can separate the last four lines of this verse from the first four. "Some turn to Jesus Some turn to Heroin Some turn to rambling round Looking for a clean sky and drinking stream. Some watch the paint peel off Some watch the kids grow Some watch their stocks and bonds Waiting for that big deal American Dream." What I love about these lines is that Joni really nails human choices in a nutshell kinda way: Religion Drugs Nature Family Simplicity Goals Which choice did Joni focus on? Probably the looking for a clean sky and drinking stream as "Banquet" was written about the time in her life she got back to the garden in B.C.. What a great song! Mia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 16:56:47 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Banquet - a drug song??? ON the other hand, Jesus, heroin, and wanderlust are all drugs of a sort. Like love / the strongest poison and medicine of all. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of mia ortlieb Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 4:01 PM To: mark.travis@gte.net; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Banquet - a drug song??? <> I don't get that either. Can heroin be enlightening? How about watching the paint peel - enlightening? Or watching the kids grow = escapism? I don't think you can separate the last four lines of this verse from the first four. "Some turn to Jesus Some turn to Heroin Some turn to rambling round Looking for a clean sky and drinking stream. Some watch the paint peel off Some watch the kids grow Some watch their stocks and bonds Waiting for that big deal American Dream." What I love about these lines is that Joni really nails human choices in a nutshell kinda way: Religion Drugs Nature Family Simplicity Goals Which choice did Joni focus on? Probably the looking for a clean sky and drinking stream as "Banquet" was written about the time in her life she got back to the garden in B.C.. What a great song! Mia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 22:21:14 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Amelia Oh! Oh! Dear Jerry, you wouldn't have to twist my arm very hard! I was going to do all original compositions because I couldn't afford the mechanical royalties on covers to sell as many CD's as I'd like to sell with this next one but if there were a way to do it, I would! Don't you just love this song???!!! I go into a zone everytime I hear it. I would do it as a "Tribute to Joni" for one of the best songs ever written. Wouldn't that be something? I get so emotional every time I hear it! I love and admire this woman so much for putting something like that out and allowing us into her soul to hear it! It's like you are privileged to witness a once in a lifetime event! No Jerry, you wouldn't have to twist my arm very hard. If there is any way I can do that I will. It is a perfect choice! Love, Sherelle Jerry wrote: I decided yesterday while listening to one of the King of Covers' cd that Sherelle MUST cover Amelia on her next cd! I'm starting day one of that campaign. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:26:35 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Richard Thompson, njc Thanks Laurent - should be a good show. It's also a CD release party for Eliza Gilkyson, the opener. I'll write a review about it, most likely. Maybe he'll recall how to play Black Crow or Woodstock. Bob NP: Janet & Kaori Ohuchi, "Both Sides Now" Laurent Olszer wrote: st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Hi Bob Youre in for a treat with Danny Thompson on bass. They might come back to Paris in January. He loves requests because that breaks his routine, so get your list ready with obscure titles. Do ask for the brilliant Shoot Out the Lights! Enjoy Laurent - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:43:43 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Richard Thompson, njc heard a cut off Eliza's CD this morning. VERY good! I would love to see her too. Enjoy! Em - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Thanks Laurent - should be a good show. It's also a CD release party > for Eliza Gilkyson, the opener. > I'll write a review about it, most likely. Maybe he'll recall how to > play Black Crow or Woodstock. > > Bob > > NP: Janet & Kaori Ohuchi, "Both Sides Now" > > Laurent Olszer wrote: > st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } > Hi Bob > > Youre in for a treat with Danny Thompson on bass. They might come > back to Paris in January. > > He loves requests because that breaks his routine, so get your list > ready with obscure titles. Do ask for the brilliant Shoot Out the > Lights! > > Enjoy > > > > Laurent > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:57:31 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Richard Thompson, njc The last time I saw Richard... Amy Correia was the opener - and she's become a BIG favorite of mine now. Glad your LL show was a winner - from what I've read and heard about her, she's been "real" for so long that she could never be happy selling out just for big $$. Bob NP: Lorraine Gervais, "Edith & The Kingpin" Em wrote: heard a cut off Eliza's CD this morning. VERY good! I would love to see her too. Enjoy! Em - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:05:05 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Richard Thompson, njc I bought the latest Eliza G & like it very much. Plan on getting earlier stuff now sometime, when the budget recovers from other expenses. Richard Thompson is one of my gods, of course. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Em Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 5:44 PM To: Bob Muller Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Richard Thompson, njc heard a cut off Eliza's CD this morning. VERY good! I would love to see her too. Enjoy! Em - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Thanks Laurent - should be a good show. It's also a CD release party > for Eliza Gilkyson, the opener. > I'll write a review about it, most likely. Maybe he'll recall how to > play Black Crow or Woodstock. > > Bob > > NP: Janet & Kaori Ohuchi, "Both Sides Now" > > Laurent Olszer wrote: > st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } > Hi Bob > > Youre in for a treat with Danny Thompson on bass. They might come > back to Paris in January. > > He loves requests because that breaks his routine, so get your list > ready with obscure titles. Do ask for the brilliant Shoot Out the > Lights! > > Enjoy > > > > Laurent > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 23:51:37 +0000 From: Box of Paints Subject: Re: My Secret Place / Joni & Corbijn Hi Jase > Does anyone know what Joni made of the finished product? Corbijn doesn't > say, or whether they subsequently worked together again either in video or > photographic terms. > > Jason. > I love that video too! One of the ones that really work because like Joni's writing, it's specific and universal at the same time, and beautifully shot - typically Corbijn's work though. I don't thnk they worked together after that, there isn't any evidence of any stills going around of the video shoot or anything similar... but he does like Depeche Mode as he seems to do their pphotoshoots all the time check out http://www.corbijn.co.uk When I was studying art I mentioned that I liked Anton Corbijn's work and my art teachers were a little sniffy about him and preferred his sister as a photographer but I can't remember her name. Is the dvd a good collection? I know that I'd love a copy of it as I love the promo for My Secret Place. Much Joni Jamie Zoob - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 19:37:29 EST From: JasonMaloney71@aol.com Subject: Re: My Secret Place / Joni & Corbijn (SJC) Hi Jamie, Many thanks for the info - the DVD was kind of an impulse buy, although I was vaguely aware of these Director's Series releases from seeing them in WORD or MOJO recently. I've always associated Corbijn with acts like Depeche Mode and Echo & The Bunnymen, I had no idea Joni had worked with him! The disc has 30 of Corbijn's music videos, in chronological order (his very first one, for a German act in 1983 is included within the extras section), and many of those 30 are rather lost treasures - Propaganda's Dr Mabuse, David Sylvian's defining Red Guitar, the marvellous Seven Seas clip for the Bunnymen...right up to his clip for the Killer's reissued All These Things That I've Done. You also get tons of interviews, commentaries for the videos, a brand-new documentary on his career...plus a wonderful handwritten booklet (there are 2 outtake stills from the My Secret Place shoot in there). All for about the price of a normal audio CD! Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:39:34 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Desktop Pic #9 Here's another desktop pic for you, folks. It may be a little busy for your desktop though. I could hardly do Chelsea Morning in muted tones. 1024 X 640 here http://s33.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1BB2K19ADCSY41KJ5IZC3P6TEV 1280 X 1024 here http://s33.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0MELHKDV4P6MC25YWL0BUTRXH6 Mark in Sydney NP Way of The World - Max Q ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 01:30:55 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: RE: Richard Thompson, njc Maybe he'll recall how to play Black Crow or Woodstock. Bob Brilliant idea, that should break his routine allright . Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 21:26:14 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: If only I could go... njc At the annual meeting of the Society for Neuroscience: Saturday, November 12, the Dalai Lama will give the inaugural lecture of the "Dialogues between Neuroscience and Society" series with an hour-long talk with questions on the neuroscience of meditation in Hall D of the Washington Convention Center beginning at 4:15 p.m. Seating in Hall D will begin on a first-come, first-served basis starting at approximately 3 p.m. Seating is limited to the first 7,500 attendees. Special security procedures will be in effect, as directed by the U.S. State Department Office of Diplomatic Security, which provides security for the Dalai Lama when he is in the United States. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 23:01:38 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: If only I could go... njc I was wishing I could be in the audience at his appearances at Stanford today, Laura. Interesting that you should mention him. He spoke on Neuroscience and suffering and lead the audience in 5 minutes of meditation. Great man. I will meet him someday, I hope. - -Julius ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #414 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)