From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #411 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 2 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 411 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- joni remixed [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Joni Remix Project [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Amelia [Bob Muller ] Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set [Gary Z ] Re:addiction, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re:addiction, njc [atel79@dsl.pipex.com] Re: Amelia [Jerry Notaro ] Stop, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: guns guns guns NJC [Lucy Hone ] Re: guns guns guns and soup soup soup -- NJC [Smurf ] re: the gun thread - njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Amelia ["Kate Bennett" ] Hi all! NJC ["Alison J Einerson" ] njc, Rosa Parks and the wheels on the bus ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set ["Mark Scott" ] Happy Birthday Julius! NJC ["Alison J Einerson" ] njc, Happy Julius "My booooooy Ray" Mills Birthday! ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set [Marksa973@aol.com] Judy Collins at the Moore Theatre ["Mark Scott" ] RE: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: addiction, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] RE: njc, Rosa Parks and the wheels on the bus ["Sherelle Smith" Subject: joni remixed Hi Mike. I'm the one putting together the Joni Remixed project. Not quite enough to fill a CD yet so, I'm still looking for more. If you have any or made any, please just e-mail them to me. Prefer mp3 format but .flac is fine too. Just not that dreaded .wma format. Can't convert that to anything. Thanks Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:35:53 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Joni Remix Project Hi Roberto in Dallas and anyone else interested in remixes and mash-ups of Joni's songs. I have been putting together a CD compilation of Joni remixed which has been on hold for a while because I haven't received any new mixes and there isn't enough to fill the disc yet. When it is finally finished, I will be making it available to the list, much like Bob does with the covers project. So, if anyone has any more mixes, mash-ups or single edits of Joni, please e-mail them to me off list in mp3 format or .flac. Mark in Sydney NP Conversation (Mikey Palms Remix) - JM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 03:44:22 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Amelia Well, she was definitely in the zone, she could really think deeply as she was isolated on a road trip, and then there were those illicit substances that she was dabbling with at the time. Whatever it was, it was the perfect combination. Bob NP: Supertramp, "Even In The Quietest Moments" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:22:20 -0500 From: Gary Z Subject: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set I was able to pick up the Dick Cavett Show//Rock Icons 3 DVD set yesterday. I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but of course, did view the Joni segment. Has anyone else picked this up yet? Many of you may have seen these performances on VH1 when they showed them a couple of years back, (or perhaps they are treed somewhere among us) but seeing the complete show was really great! And the quality is pretty terrific. Joni's show is dated August 19, 1969 and she appears along with Jefferson Airplane, Stephen Stills and David Crosby. I recommend this highly, and must admit, that seeing her perform "Willy" at the piano brought tears to my eyes. For those who are not familiar with this show, I believe it is her American debut, and she also performs "Chelsea Morning," "For Free" and "Fiddle and the Drum." "Willy" and "For Free" were still unreleased songs at the time this program aired. It was fun to see Joni dancing with some guy too, as the Jefferson Airplane played during the final credits of the show. The other discs that I haven't viewed yet contain the following guests: Sly and the Family Stone, David Bowie, Janis Joplin, Stevie Wonder, Tex Ritter, Gary Wright and Wonderwheel, George Harrison, Ravi Shankar, Jerzy Kosinski, Paul Simon and The Jessy Dixon Singers. There are other guests that appear on these discs as well, including Elsa Lanchester, The Committee, Gloria Swanson, Margot Kidder, Raquel Welch (on the Joplin show) and Debbie Reynolds. Bonus material includes an interview with Dick Cavett. But Joni's performances are worth the price of the set alone! Best regards, Gary Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:08:50 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re:addiction, njc Kate wrote about addicts: impossible to know the line between what will get them high & what will kill them. Hi Kate, Yes, it is impossible. In my experience, there is no "knowing" once a person who has a chemical addiction satisfies the physical craving. People with addiction in their genes who use can't get sober by self knowledge nor can they control the amount they put into their bodies once they begin to party. They will use until it is all gone or they pass out. AA works because it promotes actions that become habitual so we don't have to rely on our thinking. With time in the program, we habitually pick up the phone rather than a bottle. It goes for all behavior when using. Most alcoholics know they shouldn't drive while drinking and will promise not to. But, for an alcoholic, there is not any control over whether they will drive or not once their are drinking... they end up in a car and don't know how they got there. I've done that. I've heard stories in AA of people losing their cars by driving somewhere and then walking and not knowing where they left their car. One can drive in a black out. No matter how much knowledge a person has, there is no means to control what one does through knowledge when using. I think wrecks from drunk driving ought to be classified with wrecks from diabetic comas. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 13:34:00 +0000 From: atel79@dsl.pipex.com Subject: Re:addiction, njc Laura wrote: "No matter how much knowledge a person has, there is no means to control what one does through knowledge when using. I think wrecks from drunk driving ought to be classified with wrecks from diabetic comas." I could not disagree more. I believe anyone who causes death or injury through drunk driving should be tried for manslaughter, and imprisoned if found guilty. They should also be banned for life. People get away with outrageous acts of irresponsibility, certainly in the UK; even serious car crimes are seldom punished with the lifetime ban that might just represent a deterrent, and certainly would be a statement that drivers can't expect to cause mayhem with impunity. A car is an offensive weapon, 3-4 tons of metal, a fact that is all too easily forgotten. Wrecking one blights the lives of thousands of people every year in the UK, not to mention damage to property. And you would make allowances because the driver is an alcoholic? Unbelievable. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:15:20 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Amelia I decided yesterday while listening to one of the King of Covers' cd that Sherelle MUST cover Amelia on her next cd! I'm starting day one of that campaign. Jerry > I think she was very much in tune with her intuition, subconscious, > whatever you want to call it. > > Why am I referring to her in the past tense? > > A conjurer, she is. > > :) > > At 07:47 PM 11/1/2005, Catherine McKay wrote: > >> I wonder if she spent a long time working on that >> stuff or if it just kind of came to her unbidden. It's >> a gift. >> >> Catherine >> Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:58:56 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Stop, njc Azeem wrote: > > Similarly, what I've read about Israel and Palestine suggests that many > Israeli > children are *taught* to hate Palestinians, and a lot of Palestinian > children > are *taught* to hate Israelis (read: Jews). And I've heard Australians > telling > their children (and anyone in earshot) that the "Abos" are just a bunch of > drunkards. And on it goes. > > Luckily for me, that was one lesson I didn't learn. > Hi Azeem, Indeed I've seen photos of palestinian schools with very clear hate messages. I don't think this happens in israeli schools. Perhaps Nuri can tell us about that. Sure you'll find some dumb individuals on either side. But if there is hate on the israeli side then it's not to the point of wanting to eradicate the arabs from the map, as the iranian president said about Israel last week. I read a story recently which IMO really depicts the level of hate that is, sadly, ingrained in the palestinian kids (and adults) The israelis had plenty of state of the art greenhouses in Gaza, which exported flowers and exotic fruits all over the world, accounting for millions of dollars in sales + tens of thousands of jobs. When the israelis pulled out of Gaza, a bunch of wealthy jewish businessmen bought the greenhouses from the state of israel for $13 million and turned them over for free to the Palestinian Authority as a goodwill gesture. You probably saw on TV the palestinians destroying the synagogue buildings after the israeli pullout. What you didn't see is how they did the same thing to their "own" greenhouses, thus depriving their economy of well needed revenue and jobs. Why? IMO because it was built by jews and hate was stronger than any logical reasoning. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 14:47:24 +0000 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Re: guns guns guns NJC Hi Bruce In your wonderful post you highlight for me where guns have a place. Out in the country for hunting food, for keeping coyotes etc away from your hens and geese etc., they are tools that have their place in the day to day.. I dont have issues about gun ownership where they serve a purpose such as hunting, or out in the country for animal control or sport..... I just cannot get my head around having one for defence from people..... and that they are kept in a house where kids can accidently get them, where they can be used in anger or accident.... I hate seeing our police carryig assault rifles a the airports and in stations.. It seems wrong.... Sadly I am sure we will see more and more armed police as time goes by... Anyway thank you for your wonderful post and continue the Peacnick ing.... Lucy in England where its raining stair rods! From: "Bruce Eggleston" To: Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:44 PM Subject: Re: guns guns guns NJC Hugely Edited I live on a farm in a rural part of Idaho and there are some very good > reasons to own guns out here. Last night and tonight the coyotes are > almost > at my door. They have taken many ducks and chickens and cats. I haven't > harmed them, but they learn to take a wide berth around our house. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:46:24 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: guns guns guns and soup soup soup -- NJC Lucy, dearest, I made your parsnip-and-Stilton soup last night and it was wonderful! (I had saved the recipe from a post you sent to the list last March.) One other thing this list is good for -- soup recipes! XO, - --Smurf - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:58:19 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: House Concert (NJC) Hi Everyone, The House Concert on October 28th was a huge success! Everyone had a great time, and Lynn was fantastic! It was so much fun, in fact, that we already have the next concert booked. We met Randall at the France Jonifest this summer, and his singing and playing blew us all away. (We're trying to talk Claudia into coming up to join Randall this night. The two of them together were incredible!) Randall has a great following, and I expect this to sell out early. Please call soon, or e-mail if you'd like to reserve seats for this performance. Hope to see you there! Hugs, Ashara Travel Songs and stories of the road With Randall Williams Friday, November 18th at 8:00 PM. Randall returned to the US in September after nine consecutive years of travel and living abroad. Hebs passing through Boston this fall. Randall Williams has been singing since childhood. He picked up his first acoustic guitar at age 14, and never let it go. Randall has since taken his show 'on the road,' with hundreds of dates in cafC)s, pubs, restaurants, churches, homes, and concert halls from San Francisco to Stockholm, Marrakech to Tokyo, and plenty more. Randall's songs range from softly finger-picked baritone ballads to edgy statements where his right hand treats the guitar like the percussion instrument it is. Think: ba baritone John Denver meets a male Ani DiFranco.b See www.whereisrandall.com for more information and free downloads. Randallbs last Boston performance will be at a house concert hosted by Ashara Stansfield on Friday, November 18th at 8:00 PM. Admission at the door is by donation with a minimum suggestion of $12.00 per person, which includes a reception with the artist after the performance. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:23:41 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Rosa Parks (now njc) Oh my gosh! I'm so sorry! I didn't realize it had a different spelling! I did indeed mean to say "hearse"! So sorry! Sherelle >From: Bob Muller >To: Sherelle Smith , anne@sandstrom.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: RE: Rosa Parks (now njc) >Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 15:23:15 -0800 (PST) > >a mile head start >on the hertz carrying her body> > >A Hertz? Someone of Ms. Parks' stature and they transport her in a lousy >rent-a-car? >I hope you meant to say 'hearse'... > >Bob > >NP: The Story, "Amelia" (not a Joni cover) > >PS: All silliness aside, thanks for sharing your eyewitness Sherelle - very >moving. > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:45:28 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: re: the gun thread - njc Lama>>WHOA! Full stop. This is the 2nd time I've heard someone on the JMDL imply that suicide is an affordable retirement option. Naw, I'm pretty sure it's still just killing yourself.< Thanks lama for speaking up on this. A friend of mine just committed suicide a few days ago. Apparently she was going to do this before, many years ago, but someone intervened unknowingly & she decided it was a sign for her to live. All these years later she did it. The pain & grief & loss that her loved ones, especially her children are feeling is just immense. The why why why. She had so much to offer the world but took her life because of what must have been unbearable yet momentary pain herself & did not reach out to anyone when she was in it. I don't know what happens when people die but I do know what happens to the ones they leave behind. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:52:52 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Amelia Mark >To me, Amelia was a symbol of choosing freedom over the possible confinement of a relationship yet, winding up with the inevitable regret. With that knowledge of past experiences, we can feel torn. Is this others' take on Amelia too or am I way off the mark?< I agree & the setting-- the vast desert landscape & the vast open skies where Amelia & Iccurus fly... all this amplifies the emotion of finding freedom where nothing can confine... yet the lonliness is also as immense in such a limitless place ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:00:57 -0700 From: "Alison J Einerson" Subject: Hi all! NJC Hiiii everybody! (insert Dr. Nick accent here) Thought i would check in to say to everyone, as i've been out of the loop for, oh, ever now. Let's see...what's new...i got married, there's that. I wish you all could have been there, it was beautiful. If you want to see a pic, email me off list and I'll send you a link. Kay Ashley made the trek out west, and we had a wonderful time. She played a song during the ceremony, and it was splendiferous! BIG THANKS AND HUGS to everyone for all your kinds wishes. Hopefully you can come to the next one. Also...i quit smoking! I'm a few days in, very committed, and very happy about my decision! A lso wanted to respond to Bruce's comments about guns and the wilds of Utah...how strange that his family is from the very same place that my mother's family is from! Roosevelt Utah! It's a very small town, and my whole childhood, my grandpa was constantly saying he was going to leave us and go back to the Reservation! He also was raised near the Ute res. He, like most of my uncles and many of my brothers still, was an avid hunter who brought home deer, elk, and other animals that fed my family. There were always guns around. Now, don't get me wrong, i've fired guns (you know, that's what we do out west in the country! We set up budweiser cans and shoot em!), but i've never shot an animal and I never would unless I had to (don't have the steely eyed reserve!). But it is a TOTALLY DIFFERENT SITUATION out here than back east, guns are symbolic of a way of life and a unique heritage. They are a symbol of our independence, our wild beginnings, and our self-sufficiency.It may not make sense to you, but that's ok. The NRA is wrong and always has been. They prey on fear, ignorance, and racial hatred to propel a movement that lost it's significance a century ago. Hey guess what kids, the British ain't comin! if you're looking to form a militia, you better form one that knows how to fight global warming, bird flu and terrorists! Cause that's our reality now! Guns won't save you from these, so you better deal with it! Sheesh! Thanks Bruce, for shaking my nonposting ass awake! An Idaho lister! Cool! How the f*ck is everybody, anyway?!? Damn, i miss you guys. Alison E. (yup, still E!) in SLC np: Iron & Wine, my current obsession. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:05:43 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Rosa Parks and the wheels on the bus Dear Anne wrote: Hi Sherelle, Your description of Rosa Parks' procession brought me to tears. What an amazing woman. And, yes, even in death, she has a profound effect on this nation. I am glad to see at least some kids get it. Let's hope they carry that into adulthood. My best to you... lots of love, Anne - ----------------------- Sherelle and Anne and everyone else, thank you! "I am glad to see at least some kids get it. Let's hope they carry that into adulthood." Yes! Yes! All the young dudes can carry the news! That is why I am so glad about our UConn shuttlebuses today. If they didn't already know about her, or didn't fully understand the importance of what she did, the kids/young adults boarding the buses today will ALL know what Rosa did for our world. Higher education and civil rights come spilling out into the streets from the shuttlebuses, and peace and justice go waltzing in time..... As I was travelling in some new vehicle in to Morning UConn Town (singing along and loudly to Court and Spark on the new CD player!) I got such a sweet, warm feeling when I saw my first shuttlebus of the day. And now I can look out my window and smile at every single bus that passes by. Rosa is on them all!!! "The wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round, the wheels on the bus go round and round, all through the town..." (Does that remind you of another song someone we know and love wrote? "And the seasons.....") I do not personally know the UConn Director of Transportation Services, but I just *had* to write her this: *********************** Message----- From: Patti Parlette [mailto:patricia.parlette@uconn.edu] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:05 AM To:-----Original Freniere, Janet Subject: Rosa Parks Memorial Dear Janet: What a wonderful idea! Kudos to whoever thought of this, and thank you for implementing it! Every shuttle bus that I pass tomorrow will make me smile, and will remind me how proud I am to work in this wonderful UConn community. Thank you for all that you do. Sincerely, Patti Parlette Modern and Classical Languages ********************************** It would be improper of me to post her reply here without her permission, but I do dare to quote one sentence of hers because, in perfect harmony, she used the SAME words as Anne: "What an amazing woman." I see something of Rosa in every bus, just at this moment of the world. Thank you all for being here to share stuff like this with. Joni love is precious! Let the circle(s) be unbroken. Love, Patti P. NPIMH: Will the circle be unbroken Bye and bye Lord bye and bye There's a better home a waiting In the sky Lord in the sky I was standing by the window One dark and cloudy day When I saw the hearse come rolling For to carry my mother away......... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:12:03 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: re: the gun thread - njc so far I think 3 people have responded. I think all have missed what I intended to say, or mean. That for an ancient, ancient person with no family and no more financial resources who can barely move anymore, ending life might just be a clean option IF so desired by that individual. I don't at all mean that it is a groovy thing or that it should be used in place of a "retirement" plan. If there is nobody left on the planet that remotely even cares about you, you are so old and decrepit that you can barely move, you sense that your caregivers are resentful, then what the heck? Its sad that using a gun is the easiest way! Em - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > Lama>>WHOA! Full stop. This is the 2nd time I've heard someone on > the JMDL > imply that suicide is an affordable retirement option. Naw, I'm > pretty sure > it's still just killing yourself.< > > Thanks lama for speaking up on this. A friend of mine just committed > suicide a few days ago. Apparently she was going to do this before, > many > years ago, but someone intervened unknowingly & she decided it was a > sign > for her to live. All these years later she did it. The pain & grief > & loss > that her loved ones, especially her children are feeling is just > immense. > The why why why. She had so much to offer the world but took her > life > because of what must have been unbearable yet momentary pain herself > & did > not reach out to anyone when she was in it. I don't know what > happens when > people die but I do know what happens to the ones they leave behind. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 10:06:06 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Z" I recommend this highly, and must admit, that seeing her perform "Willy" > at the piano brought tears to my eyes. For those who are not familiar > with this show, I believe it is her American debut, and she also performs > "Chelsea Morning," "For Free" and "Fiddle and the Drum." "Willy" and "For > Free" were still unreleased songs at the time this program aired. It was > fun to see Joni dancing with some guy too, as the Jefferson Airplane > played during the final credits of the show. Thank you for reminding me of this, Gary. I'm going to have to hunt it down. Joni's performances really are stellar and she is radiant on the program she appears on. I also love the fact that right after Joni finishes 'Willy', the first person on her feet, applauding enthusiastically is Grace Slick. Nice to know that one of my idols appreciates the other so much. I often wonder if Joni would have performed 'Willy' if Graham Nash had been there. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:14:10 -0700 From: "Alison J Einerson" Subject: Happy Birthday Julius! NJC ALSO -- BELATED HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO JULIUS!!!! My love, I'm sorry that I can celebrate with you in person. Love and hugs, Alison E. Np: Ben folds, jesusland, (he is "guest DJ'ing" on XPN right now!) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni-digest@smoe.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 1:00 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #410 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:14:16 +0000 From: Box of Paints Subject: No Apologies It's bizarre... In "No Apologies" Joni writes about the rape of a young Japanese girl by 3 US Servicemen. ON HER BIRTHDAY in 1995 is the day that the 3 servicemen in Okinawa plead guilty about the incident. How to celebrate your birthday... Top tip from Joni: Watch the news, get depressed and write about the world... ;-) http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20051031-011601-4568r Hope everyone is well... Much Joni Jamie Zoob - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:20:03 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Happy Julius "My booooooy Ray" Mills Birthday! Thanks for the heads-up, Paz. I did not know it was Julius's b/day last Friday! JULIUS, you did not tell me it was your day! You take the humility part of "heart and humour and humility" a little too seriously, my dear -- my favorite coach of all time! Hope you're having a ball in Austin, surrounded by love, and that you were properly toasted and roasted on your special day. And perhaps Gail got to eat her first-ever piece of Julius birthday cake? Yahoo!!!! You've come a long way, babies. Bless you both. And now I *really* have to get that package of Husky stuff in the mail to you, because it's comin' on NCAA basketball season. And you know who rules THAT world, right? Darn right....we walked on the championship floor -- you be polite! Okay, bonne anniversaire, mon cher! Lots of love, affection and respect, a little passion, Patti P., your M.V.P. in Storrs, CT, where everything is coming up "for the Rosas" today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 13:46:53 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set Right you are..Gary! Marianne and I are enjoying this now. We ordered our's from Netflix. Did you notice the giggles from some of the Airplane and Dick Cavett when Joni was performing? It was just momentary...but they and the audience seemed mesmerized. We are looking forward to George Harrison's segment which I haven't seen before. I'd like to hear some of the thoughts of the performers as well as the audience today about that show. (especially from the guy who was dancing with Joni. Cute! ) I laughed when Stills said he literally just got here from Woodstock...then said .."See the mud is still on my pants." Bree >I was able to pick up the Dick Cavett Show//Rock Icons 3 DVD set >yesterday. I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but of course, did view >the Joni segment. Has anyone else picked this up yet? > >Many of you may have seen these performances on VH1 when they showed them a >couple of years back, (or perhaps they are treed somewhere among us) but >seeing the complete show was really great! And the quality is pretty >terrific. Joni's show is dated August 19, 1969 and she appears along with >Jefferson Airplane, Stephen Stills and David Crosby. I recommend this >highly, and must admit, that seeing her perform "Willy" at the piano >brought tears to my eyes. For those who are not familiar with this show, I >believe it is her American debut, and she also performs "Chelsea Morning," >"For Free" and "Fiddle and the Drum." "Willy" and "For Free" were still >unreleased songs at the time this program aired. It was fun to see Joni >dancing with some guy too, as the Jefferson Airplane played during the >final credits of the show. > >The other discs that I haven't viewed yet contain the following guests: >Sly and the Family Stone, David Bowie, Janis Joplin, Stevie Wonder, Tex >Ritter, Gary Wright and Wonderwheel, George Harrison, Ravi Shankar, Jerzy >Kosinski, Paul Simon and The Jessy Dixon Singers. There are other guests >that appear on these discs as well, including Elsa Lanchester, The >Committee, Gloria Swanson, Margot Kidder, Raquel Welch (on the Joplin show) >and Debbie Reynolds. Bonus material includes an interview with Dick >Cavett. > >But Joni's performances are worth the price of the set alone! > >Best regards, > >Gary >Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 14:04:44 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set I remember being riveted to the television and seeing the original broadcast. It felt like history in the making, and it was. Jerry > Right you are..Gary! Marianne and I are enjoying this now. We ordered > our's from Netflix. Did you notice the giggles from some of the Airplane > and Dick Cavett when Joni was performing? It was just momentary...but > they and the audience seemed mesmerized. We are looking forward to > George Harrison's segment which I haven't seen before. I'd like to hear > some of the thoughts of the performers as well as the audience today about > that show. (especially from the guy who was dancing with Joni. Cute! ) > I laughed when Stills said he literally just got here from > Woodstock...then said .."See the mud is still on my pants." > > > Bree > >> I was able to pick up the Dick Cavett Show//Rock Icons 3 DVD set >> yesterday. I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but of course, did view >> the Joni segment. Has anyone else picked this up yet? >> >> Many of you may have seen these performances on VH1 when they showed them a >> couple of years back, (or perhaps they are treed somewhere among us) but >> seeing the complete show was really great! And the quality is pretty >> terrific. Joni's show is dated August 19, 1969 and she appears along with >> Jefferson Airplane, Stephen Stills and David Crosby. I recommend this >> highly, and must admit, that seeing her perform "Willy" at the piano >> brought tears to my eyes. For those who are not familiar with this show, I >> believe it is her American debut, and she also performs "Chelsea Morning," >> "For Free" and "Fiddle and the Drum." "Willy" and "For Free" were still >> unreleased songs at the time this program aired. It was fun to see Joni >> dancing with some guy too, as the Jefferson Airplane played during the >> final credits of the show. >> >> The other discs that I haven't viewed yet contain the following guests: >> Sly and the Family Stone, David Bowie, Janis Joplin, Stevie Wonder, Tex >> Ritter, Gary Wright and Wonderwheel, George Harrison, Ravi Shankar, Jerzy >> Kosinski, Paul Simon and The Jessy Dixon Singers. There are other guests >> that appear on these discs as well, including Elsa Lanchester, The >> Committee, Gloria Swanson, Margot Kidder, Raquel Welch (on the Joplin show) >> and Debbie Reynolds. Bonus material includes an interview with Dick >> Cavett. >> >> But Joni's performances are worth the price of the set alone! >> >> Best regards, >> >> Gary >> Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:04:18 EST From: Marksa973@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set I heard one of the reasons Grace stood up and cheered so enthusiastically is because it took Joni several "takes" to get through the song. When she finally got it right, everyone was thrilled for her. In fact, I think I just read that a few weeks ago here on the list from someone who recalled being there for the taping and sitting for hours on the hard floor in a hot, stuffy studio. I guess I had always assumed the show was broadcast live, but I guess it wasn't. I also read somewhere that Grace remains in awe of Joni, saw her somewhere in LA and couldn't work up the nerve to go over and talk to her. Hard to believe Grace without "the nerve" to do anything, but I'm sure I read that somewhere. Mark In a message dated 11/2/2005 1:20:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: I also love the fact that right after Joni finishes 'Willy', the first person on her feet, applauding enthusiastically is Grace Slick. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:39:09 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Judy Collins at the Moore Theatre I had been aware for some time that Judy Collins was going to appear at the Moore Theatre in Seattle on the 1st of November. But I hesitated about making a commitment to attending the concert. None of my close friends are enough into Judy to really want to go and there was always the possibility that I might be working at a new job and wouldn't want to do a concert on a week night. But as it happens, I am still looking for a job and when I checked the ticket situation out on Hallowe'en night, there was a seat in row J of the center section on the floor. Respectable enough. In the Moore, an old theatre, fairly small with wonderful acoustics, there really isn't a bad seat. Row J center was actually just about ideal. The more I thought about it, the more I thought I really should grab the chance to see Judy, a legendary singer and one of Joni's first advocates. So I bought the ticket and went. I am so glad I did. Judy Collins' voice is a bit of a miracle. In her 60s, it is still as clear, pure and beautiful as it was back in the 1960s. Her range seems fairly intact as well. It was thrilling to hear her sing live. Over the past few years I have become a confirmed fan of Judy's. For years I thought of her as a singer with a pretty voice who did nice covers of other people's songs and wrote rather precious songs of her own. My opinion has altered considerably. Yes, she had and still has a beautiful voice but she also has other qualities that I had not given her credit for. Her taste in material over the years has hit consistently high levels of quality, particularly in her records of the 60s and she infuses everything she sings with genuine passion. She is also a fine piano player and many of the songs she has herself written are beautiful pieces of art that resonate with emotional honesty. She opened her set with a song that I didn't recognize about greeting a friend. It was a great opener, aptly setting the tone for the show. Her second number was a slightly up-tempo version of 'Someday Soon' which is one of my favorites in her repertoire. Judy Collins shares a lot in her performance. She kept up what amounted to a running monologue between songs all during the concert, telling stories about her life and singing snatches of songs a capella as they fit into her narrative. She did an a cappella rendition of 'Last Night I Had the Strangest Dream', following up it's message of peace with an appeal to 'write your congressman'. She also invited the audience to sing along on the choruses of 'Cat's in the Cradle'. I felt an emotional connection with her as I sang, thinking about my own father who passed away almost a year ago and feeling certain that Judy was thinking about her son on some level of her consciousness. I think Judy performed her entire repertoire of Joni Mitchell songs (except 'Michael From Mountains') and for that reason I am not tagging this post njc. She introduced 'Chelsea Morning' by saying she has always loved the writing of Joni Mitchell. She got tangled up with lyrics on the second verse of 'That Song About the Midway,' repeating 'you were playing like a devil wearing wings' instead of singing 'you were betting on some lover..' but she managed to get back on track in time to sing 'pack it in, I heard you did'. She said she had always wanted to record that song but never did until her latest cd. 'Both Sides Now' was performed with Judy strumming her 12-string Judy Collins signature guitar ('when you buy one, half the proceeds go to United Way and half go to Amnesty International') with her accompanist/arranger playing the grand piano behind her. Judy switched between guitar, electric keyboard and grand piano. There were some programmed drums and strings on one or two numbers. Otherwise the concert was all piano and guitar. She played the keyboard as she sang 'Suzanne', introducing the song with her story about Leonard Cohen performing it for her after telling her 'I can't sing, I can't play and I don't know if these are really songs'. Her vocal was beautiful here but it had a bit of an echoing, reverb effect that I could have done without and I missed the simple guitar accompaniment from the original. Judy Collins was born in Seattle and there were various members of her family in the house. She sat at the grand piano and told a story of finding a letter from her great-grandmother at a family gathering that had been tucked into a book. She recited the contents of the letter and then gave a poignant, exquisite rendition of 'Secret Gardens', a song I will now have a new appreciation for. And before I forget, Bob Muller will be glad to know that Judy sang part of 'You've Got to Be Carefully Taught' when she was reminiscing about music her father had loved. She made some comments about how some people learn faster than others in reference to the song. She also did a surprising and wonderful rendition of the standard 'Where or When', starting the song a capella with the piano joining in. There was a song she had written for the firefighters that saved so many lives at the World Trade Center on 9/11 that was very moving and another she wrote for New Orleans after Katrina. She said since she wasn't able to go down to Louisiana and physically help out, she had to write a song instead. Her encore was 'Send in the Clowns', a lovely way to end a lovely musical experience. I have to say a few words about the opening act. Kenny White is a New York artist recently signed to Judy's Wildflower label. His songs are kind of rambling and quirky and full of insight and sardonic wit. There were also a couple of very beautiful ballads thrown in the mix. But what stands out about this guy, and it *really* stands out, is his piano playing. It is not just your standard Billy Joel, Carole King, Elton John, Joni Mitchell type of piano accompaniment to pop songs. It is virtuoso. It is epic. It is all up and down the keyboard with amazing agility and skill. You could imagine this guy playing Rachmaninoff. He has two cds out and I highly recommend checking them out. His website says he has played with Cheryl Wheeler so maybe Ashara or some of you have heard of him. He did a song that was a very wicked and apt skewering of Pat Robertson that got a very nice positive reaction from the audience. Judy later referred to Pat when she sang that little bit of 'You've Got to Be Carefully Taught.' I am very happy that I did not pass up the chance to see Judy Collins. It is obvious that she knows that her voice is her greatest gift and she uses it with great skill and passion. She is a treasure and it's great that she still has the ability to thrill with the liquid silver that is her wonderful singing voice. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:37:13 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set This is a great set, but I have to say that my favorite parts of the three DVD set were the Janis Joplin shows. First because Janis is pretty articulate and Dick Cavett has an obvious affection for her. The other thing I like (aside from having the historic post-Woodstock show in excellent quality) is the fact that the entire talk shows are here. It's pretty amazing to look at the relatively high quality of talk-show discourse on Cavett and compare it to our sound bite talk-show culture of today. The musical guests, for instance, don't just play at the end of the show, they play early and then engage in the conversation. And the guests don't come on one at a time to plug their latest product, but they stay for the duration of the show and actually talk relatively intelligently about current events. Janis matching wits with Raquel Welch might sound like a bad joke, but it's pretty amazing to see these celebrities actually sparring (quite civilly). And they sound _smart_! I recommend this set to everyone. It's given me hours of pleasure. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Notaro Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 2:05 PM To: Bree Mcdonough; nyro_in_detroit@comcast.net; Joni List Subject: Re: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set I remember being riveted to the television and seeing the original broadcast. It felt like history in the making, and it was. Jerry > Right you are..Gary! Marianne and I are enjoying this now. We ordered > our's from Netflix. Did you notice the giggles from some of the Airplane > and Dick Cavett when Joni was performing? It was just momentary...but > they and the audience seemed mesmerized. We are looking forward to > George Harrison's segment which I haven't seen before. I'd like to hear > some of the thoughts of the performers as well as the audience today about > that show. (especially from the guy who was dancing with Joni. Cute! ) > I laughed when Stills said he literally just got here from > Woodstock...then said .."See the mud is still on my pants." > > > Bree > >> I was able to pick up the Dick Cavett Show//Rock Icons 3 DVD set >> yesterday. I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but of course, did view >> the Joni segment. Has anyone else picked this up yet? >> >> Many of you may have seen these performances on VH1 when they showed them a >> couple of years back, (or perhaps they are treed somewhere among us) but >> seeing the complete show was really great! And the quality is pretty >> terrific. Joni's show is dated August 19, 1969 and she appears along with >> Jefferson Airplane, Stephen Stills and David Crosby. I recommend this >> highly, and must admit, that seeing her perform "Willy" at the piano >> brought tears to my eyes. For those who are not familiar with this show, I >> believe it is her American debut, and she also performs "Chelsea Morning," >> "For Free" and "Fiddle and the Drum." "Willy" and "For Free" were still >> unreleased songs at the time this program aired. It was fun to see Joni >> dancing with some guy too, as the Jefferson Airplane played during the >> final credits of the show. >> >> The other discs that I haven't viewed yet contain the following guests: >> Sly and the Family Stone, David Bowie, Janis Joplin, Stevie Wonder, Tex >> Ritter, Gary Wright and Wonderwheel, George Harrison, Ravi Shankar, Jerzy >> Kosinski, Paul Simon and The Jessy Dixon Singers. There are other guests >> that appear on these discs as well, including Elsa Lanchester, The >> Committee, Gloria Swanson, Margot Kidder, Raquel Welch (on the Joplin show) >> and Debbie Reynolds. Bonus material includes an interview with Dick >> Cavett. >> >> But Joni's performances are worth the price of the set alone! >> >> Best regards, >> >> Gary >> Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:02:28 +0100 From: Karen Marie Espeland Subject: Re: Early Joni Mitchell Hello, Thank you for your answers to my question about 'earliness'. I feel privileged to have such a competent 'panel' to consult for such issues - - thanks a lot to all of you! Definitions are important in academic texts - so thanks for giving me some input on the topic! Jim, I particularly liked your comment that there is no 'language police' at JMDL - it's a relief to know that there is no one there to 'arrest me' for including the 'wrong' songs in a certain period. :) (Your post never seemed to reach the 'digest', so I included it below as I thought it was a very interesting contribution) I agree with you that 'early' is a subjective term depending on the person using it - although I was curious to know whether such clear lines existed (common Joni-sense, etc.) I have the impression that something drastic happened after Blue - her withdrawal, depression and the 'shamanic inversion': Joni changed and her music changed with her. My reason for asking is the fact that I have to select only a handful of songs to work with - and it is easier to do if I concentrate on a fairly 'homogenous' bunch of songs, that is; one distinct period. I'm finding it hard to choose - it takes time to plunge into the very depths of each song - after all, her music is designed to wear a lifetime... And as I see it, each song seems to resonate somewhat differently with you as your experience grows and life changes. Warm regards, Karen Marie On 10/29/05, Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama wrote: > Hi Karen, > > "Early" is defined by the person using the word. To me, it means your first > definition ("helium" voice, no band) but not your second (Miles of Aisles). > There are no language police on the JMDL enforcing such definitions; >>We > come for conversation>>. (Hi Patti.) > > I guess "early" to me means the first recordings because I first thought of > her as a writing and recording artist. In addition to the characteristics > you mentioned, I'd add these: > * primary colors and intricate detail in her visual art > * The lyrics are about a single character, usually with a minimal storyline, > like "Nathan LaFranier", or "Marcie". (There are many exceptions, like "Both > Sides Now".) > * Almost exclusively songs written on guitar > > For me, the early period was over when she added these: > * Songs written on piano, dulcimer, electric guitar, built up from loops > * Jazz influenced sidemen > * Traditional "pop record" production with layers and sound effects, as in > "Court & Spark" > * Lyrics which had real stories like "Edith and the Kingpin". > * "Amelia" and "Ludwig's Tune" were inspired by historical figures which I > don't THINK happened in the early period. > * Collaborations on the artwork and using mixed media. "The Hissing of > Summer Lawns", "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" > > >>And you know there may be more>>. (Hi again, Patti.) > > All the best, > Jim L'Hommedieu > Dayton, OH, US > > > Karen Marie Espeland asked, > >What would you say "Early Joni Mitcell" would refer to?> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:11:04 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: addiction, njc _Azeem_ (mailto:atel79@dsl.pipex.com) wrote: A car is an offensive weapon, 3-4 tons of metal, a fact that is all too easily forgotten. Wrecking one blights the lives of thousands of people every year in the UK, not to mention damage to property. And you would make allowances because the driver is an alcoholic? Unbelievable. Hi Azeem, I'm all for determent of wrecks using the legal system. But, the problem of alcoholics driving drunk doesn't get dealt with by just making drunk driving a criminal offense. I was thinking of improvement on classifications rather than legal allowances. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 22:28:33 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: njc, Rosa Parks and the wheels on the bus Hi Patti! I'm so glad you did this!!! Sometimes when someone takes a stand, they need that support and they need to know others appreciate their efforts!!! Love, Sherelle >From: "Patti Parlette" >To: joni@smoe.org, anne@sandstrom.com, sherellesmith@hotmail.com >Subject: njc, Rosa Parks and the wheels on the bus >Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:05:43 +0000 > >Dear Anne wrote: > >Hi Sherelle, > >Your description of Rosa Parks' procession brought me to tears. > >What an amazing woman. And, yes, even in death, she has a profound effect >on >this nation. I am glad to see at least some kids get it. Let's hope they >carry >that into adulthood. > >My best to you... > >lots of love, >Anne > >----------------------- > >Sherelle and Anne and everyone else, thank you! > >"I am glad to see at least some kids get it. Let's hope they carry that >into adulthood." > >Yes! Yes! All the young dudes can carry the news! > >That is why I am so glad about our UConn shuttlebuses today. If they >didn't already know about her, or didn't fully understand the importance of >what she did, the kids/young adults boarding the buses today will ALL know >what Rosa did for our world. Higher education and civil rights come >spilling out into the streets from the shuttlebuses, and peace and justice >go waltzing in time..... > >As I was travelling in some new vehicle in to Morning UConn Town (singing >along and loudly to Court and Spark on the new CD player!) I got such a >sweet, warm feeling when I saw my first shuttlebus of the day. And now I >can look out my window and smile at every single bus that passes by. Rosa >is on them all!!! "The wheels on the bus go round and round, round and >round, round and round, the wheels on the bus go round and round, all >through the town..." (Does that remind you of another song someone we know >and love wrote? "And the seasons.....") > >I do not personally know the UConn Director of Transportation Services, but >I just *had* to write her this: > >*********************** >Message----- >From: Patti Parlette [mailto:patricia.parlette@uconn.edu] >Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:05 AM >To:-----Original Freniere, Janet >Subject: Rosa Parks Memorial > >Dear Janet: > >What a wonderful idea! Kudos to whoever thought of this, and thank you >for implementing it! > >Every shuttle bus that I pass tomorrow will make me smile, and will >remind me how proud I am to work in this wonderful UConn community. Thank >you >for all that you do. > >Sincerely, > >Patti Parlette >Modern and Classical Languages > >********************************** > >It would be improper of me to post her reply here without her permission, >but I do dare to quote one sentence of hers because, in perfect harmony, >she used the SAME words as Anne: "What an amazing woman." > >I see something of Rosa in every bus, just at this moment of the world. > >Thank you all for being here to share stuff like this with. Joni love is >precious! > >Let the circle(s) be unbroken. > >Love, > >Patti P. > >NPIMH: > >Will the circle be unbroken >Bye and bye Lord bye and bye >There's a better home a waiting >In the sky Lord in the sky > >I was standing by the window >One dark and cloudy day >When I saw the hearse come rolling >For to carry my mother away......... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #411 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)