From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #408 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, October 31 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 408 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC Road Trippin' records ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Guns Guns Guns and the American Way [simon@icu.com] Re: New Joni Cover by Christine Collister! [Bob Muller ] increasing excitement about kate's new album (njc) ["patrick leader" ] New Desktop Pic ["Kate Bennett" ] NJC Re: New Desktop Pic [Bob Muller ] Kate Bush (njc) ["Mark Scott" ] RE: Kate Bush (njc) [Joseph Palis ] Re: njc, another round for these creeps and these soldiers [Smurf ] RE: njc, another round for these creeps and these soldiers [Catherine McK] RE: Kate Bush (njc) early 90s movie + album recommendations ["patrick le] NJC Hurricane Wilma and more bad news [FMYFL@aol.com] Desktop Pic #4 [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Desktop Pic #4 Retouch [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: guns guns guns NJC [Bruce Eggleston ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 04:10:40 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: NJC Road Trippin' records This pick is totally obvious but I never tired of it. I made a cassette with Sgt. Pepper on one side and Abbey Road on the other. When I was printing pictures in the darkroom, I left it on infinite repeat for 4 or 5 hours. (W. Eugene Smith had his scotch in the darkroom; for me it was music) Jim L'Hommedieu, who shot performance photos of Sherelle Cary Smith even before her first concert: http://home.fuse.net/jlamadoo/SHERELLE_composite_2002_by_Lama.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 05:31:51 EST From: Allmanfan54@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #407 In a message dated 10/30/2005 3:07:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org writes: Let them fall right on the ground and let all these innocent dogs go running free. (Oh well....that was just a dream some of us had!) oh yes Patti, a dream many of us had, and still have..........peace. Peace on earth, inner peace..............peace and love........cultivate peace...........you can't help but be moved when you view the 2000 video, and I have forwarded it to everyone I know with a lot of responses coming back...... the word needs to get out just as it did in that other terrible war of our generation, and when enough people realize just how bad things are they will make this war unpopular enough so it will have to be ended by whoever is in office........I think the one statistic that scares me the most is that more American soldiers have died in the first 32 months of this war than in the first 4 years of Vietnam........and how many innocent Iraqi people ?..............there are mothers and fathers in Iraq mourning just as we do...............thank you for that post Patti Still Dreaming, Ed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:52:17 +0000 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Re: guns guns guns slightly silly reply with serious bit at end..ignore if you want to NJC Oh sooooo good to hear the voice of reason Mr Muller.... Since this topic HAS been brought to the list (I have no idea what the UK JMDLers would think of an article a year old written by an America Lecturer in Defence and Security since we just dont GET the gun thing at all) ...............lets just do this here and now!!!!! Mr Muller your lovely funny post responded to in the first part of this post........ Frank has a suggestion viz a viz the Michael Bolton website.... Here in the UK (where we have no guns, but do have crackheads of all colours...predominantly white actually) there is also a thing called PARENTAL CONTROL.... for internet useage Now what you must do Mr Bob is to get a responsible adult to ban you from going to the Michael Bolton site..they can set this up on the computer so that each time you try to go to that site it will ban you from it.....Likewise you can be banned from entering all cookware sites in case you could order something so dangerous for self harm (frying pans, griddle pans, knives and graters and tongs OH MY).... That way you will not be able to purchase things that might turn you into a culinarily crazed cover head....... going about the neighbourhood bonging Michael Bolton fans into oblivion with your Magi Mix, or Fabby Dabby Doozy Choppa (with handy finger guard) nor gouging out the hearts of Michael Bolton look-a-likes with your "Supa Melon Baller..."10 seconds and its all balls, balls balls"... You can also ensure, here, that you are removed from Spurious Mailing Lists so that you do not receive "Wonder Ware" catalogues with cook ware and other useful household items..including the "Magic Hands" I mentioned to Mr Murphy last year.... these allow things to be held while you do things to the thing being held.... the post will be in the archives..... What is needed Mr Muller is some self control and a good dose of common sense on the cookware and Michael Bolton Front.............. If you dont know any responsible adults I do...... Hugs and love to you Mr M and I hope MB have never heard of Joni..... NOW MORE ABOUT MY ANTI "GUNS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN" stance In regard to guns, however .... IF you don't own one you cant kill someone by accident or by design.... IF its illegal to own them you cant mail order them using false ID (Have you heard of the Columbine High School Massacre???) that is how they got the guns...mail order...for heavens sakes...... and they bought the bullets at WALMART......... I have, I admit enjoyed the English usual use of guns in game shooting (pheasant and partridge only and a few rabbits........all of which I eat) and clay target shooting. When I was at the gun club in New Jersey I used a hand gun (several in fact) and was pretty good at taking out my ficitious targets.... but I have thought a bit since then..... Surely you would only shoot someone in self defence, if they were really close enough to do you damage. You would only shoot someone at a distance if you were premeditatedly going to take them out as part of an assasination attempt...Or part of a defence team or a soldier acting on sniping orders... I undertand the need for stealth when game shooting and the need for being accurate and despatching the food as humanely as possible.... BUT surely, for self defence, if you really feel that HAVE to be armed, it has to be safer all round with a Tazer STUN gun to stun someone whilst you make your escape to get away as fast as you can.... that has to be better than having a gun that could dispatch them and you in some adrenalin fuelled encounter.... Target practice for hand to hand, face to face interaction should be done at close range using dummies filled with all sorts of yuck..... it would be more realistic.... I did not understand why, and it has caused me some concern since... that one of the target photographs chosen by the CIA man..... and the other member of our party who emptied an MP5 at the target some 50 yards away..was that of a pregnant woman who did not have any visible signs of being armed.... Her head and stomach were shot to pieces..by both men...... surely one head shot would have been enough, over distance, if you are skilled marksman, acting in self defence because you were protecting your property....or on active orders knowing that the woman was someone to be despatched only if she proved to be a danger????? The targets I and my friend chose were a sleazy looking taxi driver who was (maybe) pointing a gun at us and a very shady looking chap who might have been a drug dealer... I shot them in the head and heart.... head first... and there was a YAY! Another one bites the dust...... moment....... but none of them were visibly armed, I dont quite understand why they should have photos that look like any particular sex or colour for target practice.. surely what you are wanting is dispassionate accuracy if you are going to defend your self...and would it not be better..if you have to, to shoot their gun out of their hand? Why the emphasis on the Kill shot? But at the gun range its not real, its not a person, its not a situation that has anything remotely, credible in a day to day situation...... IT IS NOT ACTUAL... there was no blood, no screaming, no danger to me or my friend....There were no innocent bystanders to be caught in any ricochet.... NO... its just practise for a JUST IN CASE moment that may never ever arise...... and it wont arise not because of the existance of guns, its that 97% of the population are not criminal and of those 3% only a fraction use guns in their crime..... Non-violent crime such as Fraud is the biggest crime percentage in society... But all the time, if you have a gun inyour ownership and you are not a game hunter, the potential for killing a person remains in your house, in your office desk, nestling in the holster under your business suit, or in your handbag.... Guns are a serious comment on the level of fear in a society and maybe it's the scent of corruption and mistrust the Americans have for each other (and there are a few other societies I think) that keeps you feeling you have to be armed. Lets not forget either that there is big big money in the arms of all sorts in America.. gun manufacture, ammunition manufacture, companies that supply the armed forces keep a percentage of the American economy turning .... Heaven forfend that the USA should ever have to give up the right to kill and maim just because years ago the militia men were needed........ or you might have to keep the "natives" at bay, or maybe a wolf or two or a bear or three might be on your land..... and threatening your cattle or family... Guns, I repeat, have no place in the civil world, they have no place outside of defence organisations, nor outside of legally controlled ownership for specific purposes... I doubt anyone who is pro gun will ever understand the freedom of living in a society where guns are not an issue... Perhaps you all should spend some time in England, France, Spain...Canada. Go and appreciate some other cultures and breathe the freedom that we experience.... Its a good feeling.. makes you strong... Peace and happy days to you all Lucy in England on the first official day of winter and she forgot to put her clocks back.....hey ho! Bob Muller wrote: > Canadian to fully grasp the need to own several guns and > keep them in one's home, just in case. In case what.> > > Well, of course, for the longest time I thought it was for when the > inevitable BLACK CRACK ADDICT came to my door and wanted to steal my > worldly goods to support his habit (after raping my wife, of course), > but then I realized I *have* no worldly goods of value! No guns...no > jewelry...no cash...no nuttin'. > > Like how much would said BLACK CRAZED CRACKHEAD get for a handful of > Joni Mitchell covers compilations? It would be a zen moment watching > him try to cash any of those puppies in for anything, lemme tell you. > So, I'm no longer living in fear of the aforementioned CRAZY BLACK > DRUGFIEND, but another thought hit me that semi-inspires me to own a > handgun... > > What if MICHAEL BOLTON decides to cover a Joni song??? I'd have to buy > it!! I'd have to listen to it!!! My option would be to take a frying > pan and kill myself by beating myself in the head with it, and that > would really suck - I mean, ONE HIT with the pan surely wouldn't do > it, and it would HURT like a sumbitch! And what if I didn't kill > myself with aforementioned cookware but merely beat my brain to the IQ > of a typical Bush-lovin' South Carolinian?? That would be awful, > beyond awful really. > > So, I've GOT to get a gun in case Michael Bolton decides to cover a > Joni song. No other way out as far as I can tell. > > Bob, double-checking all the locks and staying miles away from > MichaelBolton.com... > > NP: The White Stripes, "St. James Infirmary" > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 04:14:23 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Re: guns guns guns slightly silly reply with serious bit at end..ignore if you want to NJC But there's the catch! Where do I find a responsible adult?? Surely not within the confines of the JMDL... Thanks for the laugh, Lucy - remind me not to play cards with you as you always trump whatever I come up with. And Emiliano, I promise that even if MB does a Joni tune I'll hang in there. It couldn't be any worse than Kathryn Grayson after all. Hugs to all, Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Dirty Work" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:58:53 -0000 From: "Azeem" Subject: New Joni Cover by Christine Collister! I dont think Ive ever managed to tell Mr Muller about a Joni cover that he didnt already know about, but did you know that my favourite singer (and one Bob likes too I know) has just recorded Amelia?? Its on a brand new album which I dont have yet, as I think its only available at gigs - and there isnt a date in London for a while yet. But I will get hold of a copy one or the other, and soon. Azeem in London - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/147 - Release Date: 24/10/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:33:55 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Guns Guns Guns and the American Way in response to the following ... > It is impossible for me as a Canadian to fully grasp > the need to own several guns andkeep them in one's > home, just in case. In case what. Bob Muller writes ... > Well, of course, for the longest time I thought it was for when the > inevitable BLACK CRACK ADDICT came to my door and wanted to > steal my worldly goods to support his habit (after raping my wife, > of course), but then I realized I have no worldly goods of value! > No guns...no jewelry...no cash...no nuttin'. > > Like how much would said BLACK CRAZED CRACKHEAD get for a handful > of Joni Mitchell covers compilations? It would be a zen moment watching > him try to cash any of those puppies in for anything, lemme tell you. So, > I'm no longer living in fear of the aforementioned CRAZY BLACK DRUGFIEND, > but another thought hit me that semi-inspires me to own a handgun ... how typically American to see a Black face on every problem. My!, how far we've come. andmoreagain, - ----------------- simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 05:52:08 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: New Joni Cover by Christine Collister! Very cool news, Azeem - and you're right, her two Joni covers are among my favorites to be sure. I'll keep my eyes out for details and let me know what you find out as well. In other Joni covers news, Irish folk singer Christy Moore has given us our first cover of "Magdalene Laundries" and Progressive rockers Roine Stolt will include what promises to be an interesting take on Sex Kills on their "Wall Street Voodoo" coming out in a couple of weeks. And of course, it is almost the first of a new month which means I'll have a new set of lovely Joni covers to add to the pile. Bob Joan Osborne, "Poison Apples (Hallelujah)" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:08:19 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: another round, njc Catherine wrote: I didn't see that, but I did see a headline on yahoo.ca that said, "2000 Americans dead in Iraq" and my immediate reaction was, "OMFG!" and then immediately after, I wondered, how many Iraqis dead? Me: I have read that between 26,000 and almost 30,000 innocent Iraqi's have died. in "City Newspaper" Rochester, NY Marianne _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:42:08 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: increasing excitement about kate's new album (njc) good morning jonifriends. today's new york times has a long feature about kate's new album that has significantly upped my anticipation: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/arts/music/30HERMes.html i've been excited but apprehensive since i heard she was finally releasing a new album, twelve years after her last. i've listened to the first single (thanks azeem for directing us to it!) quite a bit, and today's article mentions a video which i've just viewed. particularly loved the newspaper headline that goes by: 'elvis sighted in yeti colony' the later paragraphs of the article talk about the upcoming release and make it very attractive to me, with several 'relaxed' piano and vocal songs and a 42-minute suite. excellent. i've been nervous because, after 'hounds of love', one of my five favorite albums of all time, and the follow up 'the sensual world', nearly as perfect, i was incredibly disappointed with 'the red shoes', her last album. it seemed (still seems) incredibly inconsistent; the upbeat songs in particular strike me as trite (like 'eat the music'). still there are songs that burrowed deeply into my heart. as steve mixon reported to the list, 'the red shoes' was one of the albums wally breese was listening to at the end of his life. below is the note he sent to the list in october 2000, and my response. patrick np - kate, eat the music - ------------------ from steve@torchsongs.com 10/19/00 When in S.F. recently with Leslie, visiting Jim Johanson, we all went to Amoeba Records in the Haight, where we'd been a few times with Wally. I got two used Kate Bush CD's there - The Sensual World and The Red Shoes. When Leslie saw that I'd bought The Red Shoes, she said "That's the CD that Wally was listening to every time I came up for a visit". As always, I admire Wally's taste for music like this. It's a wonderful disc, with Kate's characteristic generously layered sound, emotional range, sense of humor, melding of folk music Irish and Bulgarian...and so on; Kate fans would understand. Sooo, I've been listening to it with an ear for whatever might have such a strong draw for Wally. I can see him reclining in his bathrobe, perhaps with a little medicinal herb, and bathing in the richness of the sound, just for what it is. Perhaps lyrics like this (from the song Moments of Pleasure) say it - Just being alive It can really hurt And these moments given Are a gift from time Just let us try To give these moments back To those we love To those who will survive The CD is dedicated to Kate's mother, who had passed. But who knows? Maybe he liked the song "Rubberband Girl" better :=) - ------------------ from patrick, 10/19/00 the red shoes is not my favorite kate, but steve focussed in on 'moments of pleasure', one of my sacraments: from 92 - 94 i experienced my most direct losses from AIDS, and the pain of mourning became like a raw wound that i would worry at like a dog. a scab that i would rub, trying to find relief. 'moments of pleasure' was a lifesaver, directing me to another grieving strategy, one that wouldn't kill me. remember, remember, always remember and cherish. i always thought the second verse was about a friend suffering from aids. 'like douglas fairbanks, waving his walking stick. but he isn't well at all' seems to catch a certain generation of new york gay men, with a retro class and style through it all. a generation that was decimated. and on that evening, after that moment of concern, she went out on the balcony and saw 'the buildings of new york... like mountains through the snow' a moment of pleasure, tinged by the moment of pain. there certainly is comfort in melancholy. and as one who lost his mother way too young, i'm always devastated and comforted by this: 'and i can hear my mother saying every old sock meets an old shoe ain't that a great saying every old sock meets an old shoe' i bless kate for this song. it saved me. patrick np - moments of pleasure, 3rd time through >Perhaps lyrics like this (from the song Moments of >Pleasure) say it - > >Just being alive >It can really hurt >And these moments given >Are a gift from time >Just let us try >To give these moments back >To those we love >To those who will survive > >The CD is dedicated to Kate's mother, who had passed. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:58:42 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: justice hopefully at last NJC Memories are short here...don't you remember how Ken Starr was pilloried... as a pervert....a nutcase who got his jollies off Clinton's foibles? Clintion's operatives WITH The help of the press were just relentless when it came to Ken Starr....in a nutshell.. painting him as deviant. Bush was very respectful of this prosecutor...his whole administration was very cooperative. Even Chris Matthews this morning said it was admirable the way the president handled this investigation for the last two years. Remember Libby will have his day in court. And as of now...after two years... NO ONE IS CHARGED WITH OUTING PLAME. ANd Lama...you are thinking of G. Gordon Liddy. Bree >The special prosecutor ran a very tight investigation, meaning that there >were no reliable leaks to the press. I wish everyone in the Administration >had as much professionalism, as much respect for democracy, and as clear a >vision of the historical, reasonable, and ethical limits to his power. If >he runs for anything, I'll support him. > >It looks like he has the goods on Libby. (Wasn't Libby the last name of >one of the major co-conspirators in the Watergate burglary which brought >down a different war time Republican president? Hmmm, what would Carl Jung >say?) > >Anyway, I'm with Kate this time. > >All the best, >Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:34:31 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: increasing excitement about kate's new album (njc) - --- patrick leader wrote: today's new york times > has a long feature about > kate's new album that has significantly upped my > anticipation: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/arts/music/30HERMes.html > > i've been excited but apprehensive since i heard she > was finally releasing a > new album, twelve years after her last. i've > listened to the first single > (thanks azeem for directing us to it!) quite a bit, > and today's article > mentions a video which i've just viewed. > particularly loved the newspaper > headline that goes by: > > 'elvis sighted in yeti colony' For anyone that wants to, you can see/hear the video at www.katebush.com. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:53:43 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: guns guns guns NJC We recently had a case similar to what I understand would be defended as legal in the new florida law. Where I live is a pretty sleepy valley with very little violent crime. However there is now a casino on tribal land which has increased the number of drug arrests & burglaries. Anyway there was recently a case of road rage that ended in a shooting death. Two men had apparently had some road problems & for some reason both pulled into a fast food restaurant off the main drag through the valley. One, a local contractor & father of four, was coming out of the restaurant & saw the other guy in his truck. The other guy had recently moved here from las vegas & worked one of the tables in the casino. The local father was the aggressor & went up to the window to yell at the casino worker & I believe started to grab him. The casino worker sitting in his truck pulled out a gun & shot the guy point blank as the guy's wife was walking out of the restaurant. When it goes to trial the charge will be manslaughter not murder because, I guess, the unarmed man was the agressor. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:55:41 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: New Desktop Pic For some reason I can never open these you send it files... unless they are sitting somewhere else on my computer to open after I have downloaded them... anyone have any advice? I'm really missing out on a lot of great stuff it seems... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:26:13 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Re: New Desktop Pic I don't know for sure what the problem is, Kate - but be sure when you get the download window that you select "save" and then save it to your desktop or a location that you can locate easily. If you select "open" it will automatically direct it to a "temporary internet" folder and then it's much more challenging to locate. Maybe that helps, maybe not. Hope so, because Mark's wallpapers are way cool. Bob NP: David Gray, Silver Lining" Kate Bennett wrote: For some reason I can never open these you send it files... unless they are sitting somewhere else on my computer to open after I have downloaded them... anyone have any advice? I'm really missing out on a lot of great stuff it seems... - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:26:21 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Kate Bush (njc) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "patrick leader" > good morning jonifriends. today's new york times has a long feature about > kate's new album that has significantly upped my anticipation: > Patrick and Azeem and some other people here have talked about Kate Bush from time to time. A year or so ago, I found a used copy of 'Hounds of Love' and based on their enthusiasm, I bought it. I have a feeling this disk was one of those early cd pressings that was done in a rather slip-shod fashion. I listened to it a few times and thought it sounded ponderously over-produced. Some of various JMDLer comments about Joni's 80s work come to mind. Fast forward to a few weeks ago. My friend Melanie gave me a copy of Kate's compilation cd 'The Whole Story'. Melanie is a fan of Kate's. We don't always like the same things but it's a rare occasion that sees us with opinions that are polar opposites of one another about a piece or music or a movie or a book. So I gave 'The Whole Story' a chance. I was almost immediately taken with the song 'Wuthering Heights'. It became a persistent earworm and the rest of the songs on the cd began to take hold in my consciousness as well. Mel found a website about Wilhelm Reich, the man whose life is referred to in 'Cloudbursting' and I became more and more fascinated with Kate Bush's songs. 'The Whole Story' was on constant rotation in my car for a couple of weeks and I was finally driven to re-read 'Wuthering Heights'. (The book and 1939 movie version became the subject of the first entry in my blog.) The songs 'Hounds of Love' and 'Running Up That Hill' have also begun to soak in and I will have to go back and give that cd another listen or two or ten or twenty. So I guess, like so many things, the right song at the right time can be the key to 'getting' a particular artist. I'm thinking my next purchase will be 'The Kick Inside'. Does anybody have any other suggestions as to what to try next? With Ms. Bush, apparently, there aren't too many to choose from. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:47:58 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE: Kate Bush (njc) Odd and fascinating to know that we all have varying tastes in music and even in particular artists, we differ as to which album we like better than others. Having said that, I almost never heard of music reviews re: Kate Bush's oeuvre that specifically single out "Lionheart" as a favorite. Most people call that album hastily assembled, misguided, putting on poses, etc. but I like this album a lot. Maybe not as much as "The Dreaming" (another much-maligned album of hers). There is enough ethereal pop and eloquent wordplay in "Lionheart" that never fail to captivate me. Like may of her fans, I am also awaiting the release of "Aerial" and that 42-minute suite called "A Sky of Honey". Kate Bush is always a step ahead of most of everyone else in terms of innovation, daring and ability to go beyond the confines of music, whether the apt use of Trio Bulgarka or through a song as something you haven't heard before like "Top of the City". Kate also contributes occasional guest vocals to thematic projects like the tribute to Bernie Taupin and Elton John. She also did a very beautiful "The Man I Love" in Adler's Gershwin tribute album that came out in the early 90s. Best of all is her guest vocals in the late Michael Kamen's orchestral album where she sang "Brazil". In just a little more than 2 minutes, "Brazil" sounded incandenscently glorious. Plus, Kate directed a movie in the early 90s that is a homage to one of my fave directors Michael Powell. The title of the movie escapes me at the moment but it starred Miranda Richardson -- another excellent actress. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Israel Kamakawiwole - Hawai'i 78 ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Tilichargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:58:28 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: njc, another round for these creeps and these soldiers - --- Catherine asks: << Is there some law in privileged-class America that says that a person must have a childish and ridiculous nickname? >> It unfortunately cuts acoss all American class lines, Catherine. - --Smurf __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:12:01 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: justice hopefully at last NJC Gees, I know he was G. Gordon Liddy! I wasn't talking about Clinton at all but I see your point about the smearing of Star. I guess you saw that I was drawing a parallel with the Nixon Administration but that's immaterial now. Now back on the current situation. Is it true that the felony charge for exposing an under cover CIA operative is only applicable if 1. the operative was undercover and out of the US sometime within the last 5 years and 2. the person who exposed the agent was aware of the undercover status? If so, Libby shouldn't be charged with that, as I understand it. He didn't do that because she's been in the US for the last 5 years, (at least that's what I "heard" on TV.) As I understand it, Libby allegedly mis-directed the investigation so he's charged with obstruction of justice. All the best, Jim > From: Bree Mcdonough [mailto:bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com] > Memories are short here...don't you remember how Ken Starr was > pilloried... > as a pervert....a nutcase who got his jollies off Clinton's foibles? > Clintion's operatives WITH The help of the press were just > relentless when > it came to Ken Starr....in a nutshell.. painting him as deviant. > Bush was > very respectful of this prosecutor...his whole administration was very > cooperative. Even Chris Matthews this morning said it was > admirable the > way the president handled this investigation for the last two years. > > > Remember Libby will have his day in court. And as of now...after two > years... NO ONE IS CHARGED WITH OUTING PLAME. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:19:49 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: njc, another round for these creeps and these soldiers Not entirely true, Smurf. I went to a privileged boys prep school (among my classmates was the President's brother Neil whose financial and marital shenanigans made the news a few years back). Nicknames like Scooter are legion among the leisure classes! Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Smurf Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:58 PM To: Catherine McKay; Patti Parlette; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: njc, another round for these creeps and these soldiers - --- Catherine asks: << Is there some law in privileged-class America that says that a person must have a childish and ridiculous nickname? >> It unfortunately cuts acoss all American class lines, Catherine. - --Smurf __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:21:59 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: New desktop pic Mark sent: _http://s36.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2UA8ACT209N202M4FRRAT3LBSK_ (http://s36.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2UA8ACT209N202M4FRRAT3LBSK) Wow! This one is my favorite so far! Keep them coming! Very well done! Love, Laura PS. Can we request? If so, I'd like to see one centered around Roses Blue. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:25:23 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: New Desktop Pic Kate, Right click on "download now" and select the option "save target as" then you can designate where to put the saved file for later retrieval. Hope this helps. Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:58:11 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: njc, another round for these creeps and these soldiers Maybe it's just my warped sense of humour reading things that aren't there, but I'm sure Smurf was referring to his own nickname. But, Smurf, it doesn't count unless it was a name your parents used to call you when you were a wee one, that you decided to retain into adulthood, so as to make yourself look foolish and harmless so people wouldn't think you were capable of any shenanigans. - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > Not entirely true, Smurf. I went to a privileged > boys prep school (among my > classmates was the President's brother Neil whose > financial and marital > shenanigans made the news a few years back). > Nicknames like Scooter are > legion among the leisure classes! > > Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Smurf > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:58 PM > To: Catherine McKay; Patti Parlette; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: njc, another round for these creeps and > these soldiers > > --- Catherine asks: > > << Is there some law in privileged-class America > that > says that a person must have a childish and > ridiculous > nickname? >> > > > It unfortunately cuts acoss all American class > lines, > Catherine. > > --Smurf > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:04:56 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Kate Bush (njc) early 90s movie + album recommendations hey joseph and mark: re kate bush's early '90s movie, i think it was called 'the line the curve and the cross' from lyrics in the song 'the red shoes'. i appreciate that it was a tribute to the movie 'the red shoes' and other michael powell flicks, but i have to say that in my opinion, kate's movie really sucked. just horribly. kate's oddness, so wonderful on her albums, has for me been always awfully close to the line in her videos and in this project it went way over the line to lameness. ah well. i think the british would say 'naff'. and mark, before buying another one i'd recommend giving 'hounds of love' a few more listens. skip right to the last song, 'the morning fog' at some point, it's one of her best songs. the title song is also one of my favorites. but 'hounds' is definitely the rare album that works from beginning to end. as for overproduction, i'm a big fan of detailed, dense production so i adore 'hounds of love'. kate's first two, 'the kick inside' and 'lionheart' are definitely less produced. each has a couple of completely wonderful songs, but i don't listen to them as much as the later ones. 'neverforever' (her third) is kate's first truly great album, but from there on, production is definitely part of the point. still, there are always her strange and wonderful lyrics, and her amazing voice and the things she does with it. mark, i hope you fall in love with kate. she's a very special artist, truly a one-off. best, patrick np - underworld, everything, everything >Plus, Kate directed a movie in the early 90s that is a homage to one of my fave directors Michael Powell. The title of the movie escapes me at the moment but it starred Miranda Richardson -- another excellent actress. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Israel Kamakawiwole - Hawai'i 78 ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Tilichargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:42:14 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: NJC Hurricane Wilma and more bad news Hi JMDL family, It's been the week from hell for us down in Florida. I do appreciate the phone calls from some of you after Wilma hit. I have just been able to read some of the email, because we were without electricity for 5 days here at the house. As of yesterday, Mingus still had no power. Wilma didn't do nearly the damage that N.O. suffered with Katrina, but still many folks are without power and water. At least I had hurricane shutters installed this year, so we had no damage to the house. Just several trees down. The hurricane was nothing compared to what happened to my family on Thursday. My 17 yr. old niece died from an accidental drug overdose Thursday morning. She was a great, beautiful girl with a wonderful life ahead of her. My brother who I work with told me she had a drug problem, which he found out about when she wrapped her car around a tree back in April. My brother and sister-in-law thought she was the model child. It was a miracle that she survived the accident. She broke several bones, but was recovering pretty well. She went into rehab during the summer, and started a different high school this fall to get away from some of the bad influences she was hanging around with. She was still going to therapy after school, and was taking drug tests twice a week. My brother and his wife never left her out of their sight..........until Wed. night. She asked them if she could go to a "youths for Christ" rally and her girlfriend was going to pick her up. In that 2 hour period of time, she managed to get some drugs. Apparently she took them after my brother had gone to bed. Thursday morning, they couldn't wake her up. They called 911 and got her to the hospital. There was a slight pulse and she was on a respirator, but the cat scan showed she was brain dead. Thankfully, they didn't want her to end up like Terri Schiavo, and let her die peacefully. Sad? Yes, but I was at my brother's yesterday to see the family. My sister-in-law took me aside to tell me something. My niece's best friend told them earlier in the morning that she and my niece were lesbians and she was too afraid to tell my brother and sister-in-law. My family has always been so excepting of my being gay, and they love Ed and all my gay friends. I guess it was too much pressure for her, and that's what her girlfriend said turned her to drugs. Who knows? My niece's girlfriend tried to stop her from taking them, but it just happens. There may have been other problems in her life, but living in a small town......being a popular girl at school, and the worries about being *outed* at school could have just been just too much for a 17 yr. old. I'm not shedding my sorrows to my Joni family for any pity, and I've known so many of you for so many years. I know all of you are the most excepting people in the world. If any of you had a child who was gay, you would be fine with that. I just hope you can keep on spreading the word to your friends in case they have a child who might be gay. They don't want to lose their child to drugs or suicide because their child was scared to be the way they were born. Bless you all, Jimmy NP "God Bless The Child"........thanks to David Marine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:23:43 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Desktop Pic #4 Hi folks. Here's another attempt at a desktop pic. This one is Tin Angel. Download it here - 1024 X 640 http://s27.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2XWLEJC172M3430EXC939JQJIJ 1280 X 1024 http://s27.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2HXBKE7CKJUDI0CZ1X3JTMQNLL Mark in Sydney NP Tin Angel - JM PS I guess you can tell it's been raining here in Sydney. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:29:24 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Desktop Pic #4 Retouch Oops, sorry. I did some retouching on the widescreen version and forgot to resave it in .jpg. Here is the replacement. http://s31.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=141SQWVAO6WXL3S4DEKUFV1CGE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:44:01 -0700 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Re: guns guns guns NJC Dear All, I own a bunch of guns, all were gifts or inheritance from my parents. I was raised with guns from day one. My parents were big hunters in the wide open spaces of Utah. They were both raised in the wilds of the Ute Indian Reservation in northeastern Utah, near Myton and Roosevelt. My father's earliest friends were members of the Ute Tribe, and they mostly hunted, trapped and fished together during the 1940s. My father hunted in the traditional way of the pioneers and the Native North Americans, praying, stalking, waiting, clean kills, no waste. No alcohol, no vehicles on the hunt, horses only. Respect for the animals and Mother Nature. We ate everything that was taken. I was taught the same tradition, I am good at taking game. I'm also good with a bow and arrows and keep several rigs set up around the house. My father was superb hunter and my mother is pretty darn good, too. This tradition is almost gone in the world of white hunters. That is the reason I gave up hunting over twenty-five years ago, it became too dangerous with hundreds of rednecks out abusing themselves and Mother Nature. I no longer kill for food, but I'm not a vegetarian either. I would kill for food if I needed to feed my family. I also believe that I have a right to defend myself and my family, and have no moral compunctions about doing that. I have faced guns before. If need be, I'll go out guns blazing to protect the lives of others. I know this sounds repulsive to many of you, and some aspects seem that way to me, too. But I came by it honestly and for the right reasons, if there are such reasons. I keep my guns as memories of my family and as very useful tools. I will never get rid of them. I taught my son and daughter to use them as tools, to shoot straight and respect their awesome power. I haven't taught them to hunt, but have taught them to respect Mother Nature. I have given them guns. I live on a farm in a rural part of Idaho and there are some very good reasons to own guns out here. Last night and tonight the coyotes are almost at my door. They have taken many ducks and chickens and cats. I haven't harmed them, but they learn to take a wide berth around our house. I have debated with myself for decades this question of gun ownership. I'm about 51% for and 49% against it. I am a Peacenik and a Child of the Sixties and have fought for Peace for the better part of four decades. I have always been a flaming liberal, a tree-hugger, an advocate of peace, love and understanding. For now, I'll never be gunless. I'm not an advocate for guns in any sense, and despise the NRA agenda, even though I was a member at age 12. Guns, like drugs and marriage, I wouldn't recommend to anyone, but they work for me. I hope to show you that there are some grey areas in the debate. It is as much a question of guns, as it is a question of would you take a life. I have lived a life that advocates peace and harmony by deed and example, that speaks for itself amongst those who know me. I also have to honestly say that I would not hesitate for a second to take a life in self defense or self preservation of those around me. This I think is the more appropriate question, how far are you willing to go for self defense and preservation of your life and the lives of loved ones? Guns are just one tool of many in this circumstance. I would go to any lengths to accomplish that and have trained for it for most of my life. I don't carry weapons except in the very very rare circumstance when I intend to use them. I don't need weapons to preserve myself. I am a warrior in the sense described in the Teachings of Don Juan. One must always fight death. Sincerely, Bonneville Bruce I am very sorry if I have offended anyone on this list, it was not my intention. I consider the members on this list and the Emmylou Harris list and other like-minded people to be my true peers and my tribe. Please don't think the less of me for these grisly arguments, because I truly am dedicated to the ideals and the ideas and actions of love and peace, which I send to you all. 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