From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #401 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, October 24 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 401 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: What Is The Album Where Joni's Voice Sounds The Best [Deb Messling ] NJC Shirley Horn ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: What Is The Album Where Joni's Voice Sounds The Best ["Michael Flaher] Re: Barry Manilow, njc [Catherine McKay ] Why I love Karin Berquist, part 184, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" content-very long NJC now ["Kate Bennett"] Re: Barry Manilow, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] October 24th njc [Brian Gross ] Re: Barry Manilow, njc et alice cooper ["mack watson-bush" ] RE: The Worst Joni Covers ["Bree Mcdonough" ] tidbits sjc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: NYC for non-NYers (now Nine Lives) NJC [Joseph Palis Subject: Re: What Is The Album Where Joni's Voice Sounds The Best My favorite vocal period is DJRD and S&L. She wasn't using the "helium" voice anymore, but she could still hit high notes and her voice was incredibly flexible. DJRD is one of the Joni albums where I can tune out the lyrics and just enjoy the sounds (not that the lyrics aren't also brilliant). - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 07:02:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: What Is The Album Where Joni's Voice Sounds The Best Box of Paints wrote: ... I mean, you do know that the orchestral version of Both Sides, Now comes from the album... Both Sides, Now? Jamie, notice that unlike the song Both Sides, Now - the album is titled Both Sides Now, without the dot. Strange, hmm?:) Nuri - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:56:47 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: What Is The Album Where Joni's Voice Sounds The Best Nuriel wrote: Just the other day, as we were listening to Down To You, my love said to me that he finds Court and Spark to be the album where Joni "had" her best voice ever, warm, solid and inspiring. As for me, as someone who listens to Joni since childhood, album by album, i still find that Joni's voice on Song To a Seagull is her best ever. I can't really say what it is, it's simply too magical to explain, but there must have been something during the recording of this album that made Joni reach depths, hights and levels of voice that to me still sound unnatural, in a way that Joni on STASG sounds like a prophet, a sirene, a witch and an angel. My man, on the other hand, says that the more "human" Joni's voice has gotten, the better it sounds. So i thought i should ask you all - what do you think - what album presents the best Joni voice? - ------------ O mon Dieu, ma SIQUOMB -- c'est absolument *impossible*!!!! Nuriel, quelle question! You're a mean old daddy to ask this (but I like you). This is going to drive me absolutely crazy all day today......all emotions and abstractions.....and the power of reason and the flowers of deep feeling will serve me, only to deceive me. JMOCD is in total overdrive with all these Joni songs swirling inside and *outside* my head. At least it's a Sunday just at this moment of the world, so I don't have to bring this challenge to the workplace. One must approach this question from both sides, of course. From up and down. Is she better singing soprano in the upstairs choir, or going down down down the dark ladder? Merde, this is like Sophie's Choice! Talk about a head full of quandary! Someone with time on their hands and no child to raise could write a dissertation on this to earn the first Ph.D. at JMU. Love, Patti P., who feels likes that black crow Flying In a blue sky diving down to pick up every shiny Joni song ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:59:44 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: What Is The Album Where Joni's Voice Sounds The Best Honestly, I like her voice from "Clouds" through "Taming the Tiger" best. That covers a long, long time, ('69-'98) and that seems right. Nuriel asked, >So i thought i should ask you all - what do you think - what album presents the best Joni voice?> Jim L'Hommedieu, on the first Sunday morning in Dayton, OH. The phone works but not the broadband. np: Simon's remastering of the BBC show, playing through the TV; even the stereo isn't hooked up yet. Gees, getting in touch with the JMDL is more urgent than hooking up the stereo! Times change. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:07:18 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Barry Manilow, njc Well..nothing! I guess because he has the reputation of being a tad corny...saccharin sweet. His audience was/is up from nine year olds to ashen haired ladies. Why is it embarrassing for one to say they like Barry Manilow? That slight hesitation before admitting that you like him. Because of his massive popularity at one time? (he popped out more number one hits than just about anybody ) And wondering what peoples reaction will be to admitting you like him. Bree NP: Mandy ;-) > So, I'm wondering now... what could possibly be wrong with Barry >Manilow? Hmmmm? > >Love, >Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:48:13 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: NJC Shirley Horn I'm so sorry to hear of the passing of jazz legend Shirley Horn at the age of 71 on Thursday. She was truly one of the greats. A very classy lady. A national treasure. Her CD, You Won't Forget Me, is one of my all-time favourites. Jazz songs for grown-ups. You can hear it here http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000047BK/qid=1130088946/sr=2-3/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_3/104-6486433-4654302?v=glance&s=music You are remembered with love and gratitude, Shirley. Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Scan and help eliminate destructive viruses from your inbound and outbound e-mail and attachments. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:29:26 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: What Is The Album Where Joni's Voice Sounds The Best On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 06:31:26 +0100 Box of Paints wrote: > Heh heh.. I love this sense of humour... Well, I'm glad at least YOU did. I certainly wasn't trying to offend anyone. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:17:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Barry Manilow, njc - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > NP: Mandy ;-) > And who can forget Homer Simpson singing, "Oh Margie, you came and you gave me a turkey"? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:50:37 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Why I love Karin Berquist, part 184, njc If Mother Theresa had written songs and looked like a movie star, she'd have been Karin. Here's a recent picture, shot by another fan: http://home.fuse.net/jlamadoo/karin_by_Justsino_2005.jpg The band sent an email to the faithful this week. The following passage was written by her husband Linford, but the star is his wounded beauty: >Ten years ago, when Karin realized that she had a powerful hunting dog on her hands, she decided communication was of the essence, so she took Willow to puppy school and worked with her on the basic commands - Sit, stay, lie down, OFF! (a general command meaning, Back away, don't eat that) heel, etc. Willow was a quick study, but the command that was used to let her know she was free from obligation was Release.> Linford continues: >Karin held her as we drove the hour from the farm into the city. Karin whispered "release" to Willow repeatedly in her final hours.> Jim L'Hommedieu Dayton, OH ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:12:58 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: First Post, Greetings, "Triple Threats" challenge, lots of Joni> content-very long NJC now Bonneville Bruce> The Stanley area is also part of Ernest Hemingway's old stomping grounds, on the other side of the mountain from Sun Valley. It is the Redfish Lake and Sawtooth Mountains area which is most likely the purtiest place in the Lower 48, if not the most spectacular.< It is so beautiful in that part of the world... we were guests of an environmental group who had a big house up there... on the way up or back we stopped by redfish lake (my brother who lives in hailey took us there)... the other time I was in that area was years earlier when I was skiing in sun valley & I was so taken by the beauty of that range when I got up to the top & could see it from that point of view... >As far as horses are concerned, Quarter Horses are almost a religion in our family. But about 15 years back my mom went 'piscopalian on us and brought Paint Horses into the fold. Of course Paints can be registered with Paint on the sire side and Quarter on the dam side, so its all one big fambly of horseflesh. < Sounds so nice... we will soon be welcoming a young quarter horse to our family & I am so excited... he's got some wonderful bloodlines & was bred by someone who is close to our family so we're getting an amazing deal... here in this valley everyone has horses & there are so many breeds ...one person I know who is breeding beautiful paint friesian crosses... >Kate, what do you play? I'd love to hear your music.< Go to www.katebennett.com & you can hear some samples... thanks for asking! I'm adding NJC to this post now because we've strayed from joni talk... njc means no joni content which is important because there are some who only receive posts with joni content.. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:22:05 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Barry Manilow, njc Bree wrote: I guess because he has the reputation of being a tad corny...saccharin sweet. Hi Bree, I just asked my husband what he thinks of Barry's music. He said he didn't really ever like it so I asked why, and he said because it is "little girl music." Is that what you mean? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:48:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: October 24th njc (a few hours early, but better than late) Happy Birthday Mags! Hope it's a good one for you take care, Brian __________________________________ Yahoo! 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To each their own. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 02:38:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE: NYC for non-NYers and the cabaret convention and some Joni Hi Sherelle, I left NYC on the day it started to have overcast skies and some light rain. I had a great time. I didn't get the chance to see any play/musical due to a combination of high theatre prices (for a grad student like me), non-availability of tickets among other things. My gf and I decided to watch "Light in the Piazza" on its Wednesday matinee show but did not get there in time. But there is a funny thing that happened on our way to the theatre. I saw this grand lady outside of the hall waiting no doubt for her driver to pick her up. I asked her for directions to the hall and she gave a rather detailed instruction on how we could go there. We thanked her and as we sprinted to the nearest door, I added "oh by the way you look like Beverly Sills". She smiled broadly and said, "I am Beverly Sills..." It must have been a funny sight because my gf and I stopped in mid-sprint and simulatenously said: "Oh no! Really???? We're huge fans of yours." Actually my father was a huge fan because he used to tell us kids how he loved Sills (and Tatiana Troyanos). Seeing this great and ageless soprano who at one time used to be America's favorite, was a great treat. She told us how she was flattered at both the recognition and adulation we heaped on her but as her car miraculously appeared from nowhere, she bade us goodbye. So we didn't get to see "Light in the Piazza" but we met le fille du regiment herself. I contacted my sister in the Philippines to relay to our mother that I finally saw her "rival" to my father's affection. ;-) Except for the Cabaret Convention, I didn't get to see any show. But I watched four films: Luis Mandoki's "Innocent Voices", Godard's "Masculin-Feminin" at the Film Forum, Rodrigo Garcia's "Nine Lives" and George Clooney's "Good Night, and Good Luck." Except for Clooney's film which I am positive will come to the Triangle theatres, the three other films may just have a brief NY run and disappear. Overall a great NYC trip and great weather. NC has become chillier too but not as chilly as NYC. Good thing we are quitre far away from Hurricane Wilma's onslaught. I hope Jerry Notaro will be safe and good in FL. Heard about Shirley Horn's demise too. I have almost all of her albums except the pre-1987 LPs she issued. I like her vibrato-less delivery. Much like Weslia Whitfield. As for the recent post about Joni's best voice. I always considered her "Mingus" period as her best period (vocally). The voice is resilient. It retains the flexibility of her earlier vocal outings. She can reach a high note still although there seems to be a wobble in the top notes. And her lower notes in this period plumb some emotions I did not quite hear from her previous albums. Just my two cents. By the way, Sherelle. The people here in Chapel Hill who heard your album said you should record again. And soon. And that you can count on them to support you. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Sharon McNight - "City of New Orleans" - --- Sherelle Smith a icrit : > Hi Joseph my friend! > > You are probably still there in NYC having a great > time! (I've got to do > that sometime!) but I am so curious as to which play > you picked! Also your > review was fantastic! Thanks for sharing it! I felt > like I was there! > > Love, Sherelle > ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Tilichargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:09:06 -0400 From: MegpatrickM@netscape.net (Meg Beattie Patrick =?ISO-8859-1?B?oCk=?=) Subject: Hi - I'm a New Member Hi, All - Pleased to be a part of your group! I look forward to learning and gaining insight from you on one of my favorite artists of all time. It's incredible that such a group even exists! Please let me know if this is posted correctly and if it has been received. Also, I look forward to joining you at the next JoniFest (if you're the same group that hosts the event) ... and in the meantime, let's all hope Joni decides to perform live again somewhere. Can you imagine?? Sigh... Meg - -- http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/megpatrick.htm http://www.studio415.com/megp/index.shtml __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. 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I have all of her cd's and have never even met anyone who knows her work. So sorry you missed A Light In the Piazza. But what a joy to meet Beverly. I worked with her just once when I was a make up artist and designer. One of the most down to earth person I ever worked with in Opera. So glad you had a good time. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:04:44 -0700 (PDT) From: cindy vickery Subject: RE: NYC for non-NYers NJC what'd you think of this one, Joseph? i've a friend who was quite impressed, partic with one of the vignettes and the interweaving of them. since it'll never make it to alabama, i'd love to hear your thoughts. any other NYers (temporary or permanent) see it? cindy Joseph Palis wrote: Rodrigo Garcia's "Nine Lives" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:42:15 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: The Worst Joni Covers Bob..would you expound on that Kathryn Grayson cover of BSN? >Hello Dear Freinds, > >Bob, could you please name some of the worst Joni covers (of your choice) >and tell us a bit about them? > >God bless, > >Nuri > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 00:24:29 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: tidbits sjc Marianne and I saw a delightful movie last evening called ..84 Charing Cross Road. One of those movies you can just sit back and enjoy. Enjoy we did!! The little nexus to the JMDL would be that although most of the characters in this movie never met...but through years ..decades even of correspondence .. they built these beautiful lasting relationships. Marianne and I think someone here recommended it? I'm thinking Jerry (he has such fine taste) but if not ..thanks to you. I heard Joni mentioned on Jeopardy tonight on the Game SHow Network. The answer was: Singer Shawn Colvin said this artist changed her musical path/life (something like that) when she heard this top album Court and Spark of the 1970's. WHo was? Thankfully some guy answered correctly. Nuri's question about Joni's best voice: For me it would be Hejira. I don't know if I'm clouded here because Hejira is my favorite album. Maybe I'm cheating a little? Goodnight...sleep well... Bree ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:54:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE: NYC for non-NYers (now Nine Lives) NJC Hi Cindy~ I watched Rodrigo Garcia's "Nine Lives" at the Paris Theatre and while the moviehouse was not packed, it had a decent number of people in the audience. I made a mental note to see this film because I thought Garcia's earlier film "Things You Can Tell Just By Looking At Her" is quite good and with inch-perfect performances from a cast of high-profile actors. "Nine Lives" consists of 9 vignettes that are interestingly woven together. They are like snapshots of the lives of women of various ethnicity, social background, age and ideological position. Lives intersect as if to show inevitable human connectivity (or to facetiously bring to life the game we play that connects every actor to Kevin Bacon). The presence of one character who appeared in an earlier vignette to a later story happen for a reason and (I think) is not just some throwaway cameo. I say this because the characters we see earlier reinforce what we think her/his character is. Either that or subtly debunk our expectations and make us complicit to the over-easy tendency to profile certain people based on their behavior. The nine vignettes are as varied as they are gripping in their own ways. I must admit that some episodes capture my attention more than others and I wished that the 10-15-minutes or so accorded for each story are extended. Since each vignette favors a particular point-of-view and all were shot in real time (no camera cuts or edits) similar to Sokurov's "Russian Ark", it becomes easier to assume a positionality. For me there are three stories that left very strong and lasting impressions. In two of them, I got misty-eyed. There are no neat endings here in terms of standard storytelling that tells us what WILL happen after. The audience is as much sutured to the story that it is possible to construct your own endings. Joyce Carol Oates territory indeedy. Sometimes I feel like an eavesdropper or voyeur of other people's lives caught at moments not traditionally portaryed onscreen. The first one is the vignette involving Robin Wright-Penn's character and chancing upon an old flame (Jason Isaacs) in a supermakrket. The camera shaded all the precise colors of flushed excitement, practiced nonchalance and our unwillingness to like something/someone we remembered not liking. Robin Wright-Penn is a prism (is that a correct analogy?) of these conflicting emotions and she and Jason Isaacs had this onscreen chemistry that makes it easier for me to accept that their past relationship may have been brief but very memorable. This vignette just like all others are cinematic equivalents of snapshots or short stories (of the Susan Minot or Raymond Carver variety) -- nothing is comfortably explained for the audience. Everything seems to be in a constant flux -- no closure (in a classical way Hollywood does), no proper "ending", but we were made to experience emotions these characters experienced. But the last gesture of connection in this vignette and what it meant pulled at my emotional heartstrings. The other one involved a young girl's decision to stay with her disabled father and seemingly remote mother. The camera follows her as she goes from one room to the other to talk to both her parents. Then layer by layer something gets revealed. Are her parents on speaking terms? Who does the girl love more of the two? Why does it look like she is conveying the messages of the two adults to each other. The story is like a Habermassian illustration of the private and the public but all contained in the domestic sphere of the house. Very claustrophobic feeling yet oddly not suffocating. It is as if love and hatred are of equal forces and everyday circumstances tip the balance. This young actress who played as mediator is someone I haven't seen before. I forgot her name too but in one scene where she was finally alone, she let us see what goes inside her head and how painful it must have been. Quietly moving. Then there is the vignette involving a mother and daughter in the cemetery. They were talking about ... nothing really. Little by little one gets the sense who is being visited by the two in the cemetery. And the nature of grieving and mourning. There was a moment in the story where nothing happens. Just blank stares and moments of silence that conventional films would normally edit so that the narrative can push forward. But we all experience these moments of silence called in "Pulp Fiction" as "uncomfortable silence". In this vignette the silence is not really uncomfortable -- just a secure knowledge of being in the presence of a loved one that need not require sound. Glenn Close and Dakota Fanning were both believable as mother and daughter and seems entirely believable -- I have seen people do what they did in moments when they thought they were not being observed. There is bound to be a story in the 9 vignettes that are bound to connect to anyone -- male or female. The performances are uniformly great even I don't quite like the "story" of some episodes (especially that one involving a funeral although supporting players Mary Kay Place, Molly Parker and William Fichtner are excellent in tiny roles). After the movie ended I had this brief but very stimulating conversation with two random moviegoers who were asking what to think about certain vignettes. I guess talking about it in a way facilitates the thinking process (just like what this post is doing to me now). I recommend this film if only to have a different cinematic experience. I would be interested what others in the List would have to say about this film and what vignette spoke to them. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Michael Buble - You Don't Know Me - --- cindy vickery a icrit : > what'd you think of this one, Joseph? > i've a friend who was quite impressed, partic with > one of the vignettes and the interweaving of them. > since it'll never make it to alabama, i'd love to > hear your thoughts. > any other NYers (temporary or permanent) see it? > > cindy > > Joseph Palis wrote: > Rodrigo Garcia's "Nine Lives" > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in > one click. ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! 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