From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #398 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, October 21 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 398 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- new joni bio? [Karen Marie Espeland ] Re: Jodie Borle, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] American Dreams/NJC ["MIKE HICKS" ] Re: American Dreams/NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: new joni bio? [Smurf ] Pantiliners as adhesive and overcrowded staterooms (njc) [littlebreen@com] RE: NYC for non-NYers and the cabaret convention njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] ill be seeing you njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: ill be seeing you njc [Catherine McKay ] Phil Lesh ["Jeffrey Zinkerman" ] njc, sending up prayers for Walt and Robert ["Patti Parlette" Subject: new joni bio? Hi, Rob! Perhaps you were thinking of Mark Bego's book, Joni Mitchell - Both Sides Now. (exactly the same title as Brian Hinton's book... Those writers are certainly creative...as Jamie pointed out a while ago!) I haven't read it (and I guess I'd better not), but here's the review from Washington Post: http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1334 Mark Bego's home page: http://www.markbego.com/ He sure looks hungry... :) Karen Marie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:00:44 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Jodie Borle, njc Mags wrote: _www.jodieborle.com_ (http://www.jodieborle.com) Hi Mags, I really like her sound, good style. Thanks. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:05:47 -0400 From: "MIKE HICKS" Subject: American Dreams/NJC Anyone here ever see the TV show called American Dreams, the one that was canceled this fall? Did anyone like that show as much as me? It totally broke my heart when it got axed. I built my whole Sunday evening around that show time. Maybe I liked it so well because a lot of that stuff happened in "my time" growing up. My kids loved it too. Just wandered if anyone else on the list tuned in. Mike NPOMC: Elliott Smith - Battle of Big Nothing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:37:42 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: American Dreams/NJC Mike, I was a big fan. When it was axed it made me realize that quality television is on the way out. Sort of how I felt when I'll Fly Away was cancelled. I am encouraged, though, by Commander In Chief. Great show AND high ratings. Jerry > Anyone here ever see the TV show called American Dreams, the one that was > canceled this fall? Did anyone like that show as much as me? It totally > broke my heart when it got axed. I built my whole Sunday evening around that > show time. Maybe I liked it so well because a lot of that stuff happened in > "my time" growing up. My kids loved it too. Just wandered if anyone else on > the list tuned in. > > Mike > NPOMC: Elliott Smith - Battle of Big Nothing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 05:45:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: new joni bio? From Mark Bego's home page: "E! Entertainment Online in 2000 named Marks book, I Fall to Pieces: The Music and The Life of Patsy Cline (1995), one of the Top Ten Best Music Biographies of all times (sic)." I read his Bonnie Raitt bio and it was so-so at best. The above excerpt from his home page demonstrates his sloppy use of language. - --Smurf - --- Karen Marie Espeland wrote: > Hi, Rob! > > Perhaps you were thinking of Mark Bego's book, Joni > Mitchell - Both > Sides Now. (exactly the same title as Brian Hinton's > book... Those > writers are certainly creative...as Jamie pointed > out a while ago!) > I haven't read it (and I guess I'd better not), but > here's the review > from Washington Post: > http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1334 > Mark Bego's home page: http://www.markbego.com/ He > sure looks hungry... > > :) > Karen Marie > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:57:28 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Pantiliners as adhesive and overcrowded staterooms (njc) Hi, all, This is an edit of a note I wrote to les Ross, so I can keep you all updated. I'll also answer individual notes as I have time. Thanks, as always, for all the support. [Les used some nautical terminology in a comment on relationships.] Nicely put, Les. Many people don't seem to realize how much work a relationship is, or having seen it, decide their careers are hard enough, and don't want to "work" at anything else. Robert and I have had several shipwrecks over the years; he came from a less-than-mentally-healthy family and it took me until this year (11 years in) to get him to trust me. Ironically, my two closest friends, Stephan and Lisa (I used the call the four of us the "Gayfelds"), having been chronically single for over ten years, both got seriously involved within a month of each other this past spring, for which I'm happy; but of course, this has meant that they've both been nesting, and less available to lean on as Robert's health, and our finances, have reeled out of control this last year. Lisa lives in Sacramento now (a mere 100 km away, a trifle by California standards) and Stephan is on a movie shoot in Vancouver, but Lisa says she will drop everything and come out here if needed, and Stephan, who's a having a difficult time with the director or the star or both, has said that if it looks like curtains for Robert, he'll probably walk off the set and come home (he's only quit a movie once before in his long career -- he does specialty makeup and prosthetics). And there are others... Knowing the JoniFamily is out there and pulling for me helps a lot. My family, whom I just visited (in Rhode Island) a week ago, is very supportive; Robert's is not, and I'm inclined not to let them know until he's gone -- it's what R. has said he wants, but if he regains concsciousness and changes his mind, I'll call the least egregious of his neices and let her spread the word. R. tried to die in front of me yesterday. He had just described to me and to the charge nurse, Greg, a tunnel of light he was seeing exactly halfway between the TV and the clock in his hospital room (naturally, I was inclined to exclaim "Do *not* go towards the light, Carol Ann!!!") when he sorta zoomed out. Greg grabbed a BP cuff and took R's BP, and it was 69/38 or some such. I said, "Oh, God!" and Greg pushed a button somewhere. Suddenly the room, which was tiny and had a huge ari filter seemingly out of the movie Brazil, teemed with personnel. And here's how my mind works: Simultanously, I was weeping and muttering "Not yet, dammit", but I was also keeping count. In my mind, I said, okay, one more person in the room and we'll have enough for two tables of bridge, me and Robert as dummies. Greg muttered that Robert had to be in the *one* room on the floor which, while it had very nice air, didn't have one of those beds where you can just tilt it so all the blood rushes to the patient's head, which is what R. rather desparately needed at the time. They made do with approximate settings and pillows, but it wasn't helping. At some point, we'd surpassed enough personnel for a baseball team, and I decided to retire from the game as I had little to offer the proceedings, so to speak, and I stepped outside. One of the nurses stepped outside with me, and gently asked if I was okay. I shook my head no, but I said, "It was getting to be the stateroom scene from A Night At The Opera in there," and she laughed. I should explain that I'd already made myself popular on the floor by pulling a new variation on the Shirley MacLaine flipping-out-in-the-hospital scene from Terms of Endearment, a silent but effective one. Frustrated that no one could seem to get a tube of hydrocortisone cream for R.'s very tender butt out of the apparently constipated pharmacy, I wrote a longish note (signed, explaining who I was and that I was within) expressing this frustration and then, failing to find anything tapelike in the room oir the corridor, remembered I had pantyliners in my backpack. Yes, I have pantyliners in my backpack, don't you? They served more than adequately as scotch tape, and I posted my complaint on the outside of Robert's door, and went back inside to wait. It didn't take long before I heard laughter outside the room, and eventually a doctor came in, apologizing that they couldn't leave the note posted on the door, but complementing me on my ingenuity -- and she had somehow acquired a tube of hydrocortisone cream. [Much later, last night, as I was recounting this story to a cabdriver, I speculated whether Protestantism might have been even more popular if Martin Luther had used pantyliners when posting *his* complaints -- I point this out partly to reassure you that not *all* my allusions are to movies, TV shows and popular music. Thank god San Francisco is the kind of place where people (at least yesterday) get my strange cultural references and bizarre sense of humor. It helps to have a good audience when you're miserable.] Robert was rushed to the ICU where they got his BP up to something like 80/50 using Potassium and Dopamine and stuff like that. He was still unconscious, and they told me to go home. The phone rang at 10 p.m. and I was asked if it was all right to intubate him, and I said yes, for now. And now it's Thursday morning, I've got to have a good cry and a hot shower, and it's off to the hospital again, to see if Robert can communicate whether he wants to stay one more day, or move on. Thanks again to all of you, and of course I'll keep y'all posted. Walt-- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:35:39 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: NYC for non-NYers and the cabaret convention njc Hi Joseph my friend! You are probably still there in NYC having a great time! (I've got to do that sometime!) but I am so curious as to which play you picked! Also your review was fantastic! Thanks for sharing it! I felt like I was there! Love, Sherelle Joseph wrote Hi all~ So I flew to NYC three days before the actual fall break from school because various assorted friends are in NYC and various assorted reunions are inevitable. The nice thing about NYC for non NYers with barely a week to explore the city is that one gets to prioritize the events he/she want to see. I was planing to watch "Spamalot"'s matinee show today but my ex-girlfriend, who is flying out of the country tonight would rather see "Wicked" or "The Light in the Piazza" so I'll see if it will be the always hilarious Monty Python crew we will see this afternoon or Elphaba and Glinda. I heard good things about the three shows and I will probably be happy with any although I have not heard of "The Light in the Piazza". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:35:27 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: NYC for non-NYers and the cabaret convention njc Hi Joseph my friend! You are probably still there in NYC having a great time! (I've got to do that sometime!) but I am so curious as to which play you picked! Also your review was fantastic! Thanks for sharing it! I felt like I was there! Love, Sherelle Joseph wrote Hi all~ So I flew to NYC three days before the actual fall break from school because various assorted friends are in NYC and various assorted reunions are inevitable. The nice thing about NYC for non NYers with barely a week to explore the city is that one gets to prioritize the events he/she want to see. I was planing to watch "Spamalot"'s matinee show today but my ex-girlfriend, who is flying out of the country tonight would rather see "Wicked" or "The Light in the Piazza" so I'll see if it will be the always hilarious Monty Python crew we will see this afternoon or Elphaba and Glinda. I heard good things about the three shows and I will probably be happy with any although I have not heard of "The Light in the Piazza". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:55:01 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Wow....who'da thunk? Someone on tribe.net pointed this out and I had to listen.... The Supremes singing "All I Want." Much faster than Joni's more contemplative version and with a big horn section in the background. Very funny in a certain way...Check it out on iTunes Music Store. (Search on Supremes and you'll find it). ============= "There used to be all those talk shows back in the '50s and '60s, when I was on television a great deal. People would talk about many important things, and you had some very good talkers. They're not allowed on now. Or they're set loose in the Fox Zoo, in which you have a number of people who pretend to be journalists but are really like animals. Each one has his own noise--there's the donkey who brays, there's the pig who squeals. Each one is a different animal in a zoo, making a characteristic noise. The result is chaos, which is what is intended. They don't want the people to know anything, and the people don't." - --Gore Vidal Mike Friedman mike@pinataperspective.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:21:59 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: ill be seeing you njc Anyone in the nursing or healthcare fields is aware of what a mess it is. I quit my job, finally, after being unable to handle the lack of staff for one more day. Applications have been placed and now have some time to sit back and do as little as I want to do. Will enjoy it in lieu of that vacation that I never got this year. My love of music takes up much, too much of my time says Tod. After opening Limewire and sitting back a few minutes I noticed that the top three hits of the day were 'I'll Be Seeing You." Have searched for the Carly Simon version that she led off the flick "Swing Shift" with for a long time. Have yet to find it but after seeing the top three for this day, thus far, I decided to find alternate versions of the tune. I know, I have way too much time on my hands. ha ha. Many have sang the song. Louis Prima and Keely Smith- The beginning was okay but then it went uptempo and oh, no. Give it back. Have no idea who these two are or at least I didn't. I know now. Eeek. Rod Stewart- Believe it or not. Started out very shaky and doesn't have the pipes for this one but ended up well. RLJ- Done in her style. Very nice but not quite there with the standard, for me, being the Carly version. Would only have known some of the words from knowing the lyrics. ha ha James Darren- Remember him? The cute guy. A very uptempo version and out came the emesis basin. He sings on an equal par with his acting. Judy Collins- A very nice version. Very smooth, emotional, and well sang. Carmen McCrae- Not aware of who this woman is. Has a very deep voice and sings fairly well but this song is not tailored for her either. Dinah Shore- Was looking forward to this one but she doesn't sing it well and isn't nearly as smooth as usual. Big disappointment. Bing Crosby--- Just knew Bing would nail it. He didn't. That silky smooth voice deserted him on this one. Boring. Billie Holliday- I do believe this is one of her signature tunes. Left me empty and don't find her that enchanting though I know that I should. Linda Eder- Remember this gal from Star Search. She was great there. On this tune she had to really rein it in and any moment I was expecting her to lose it, kind of like Kathy Najimy in "Sister Act." Whoa Linda, down girl. Rosemary Clooney- Big fan of this lady and expected great things on this one. Another letdown. Dont' think she got much sleep the night before this recording. Michael Buble- Not aware of this dude before either. He does a pretty good job with it but doesn't quite make it over the hump. Kind of like breakfast cereal without any sugar or butter. The Lettermen- Get that emesis basin ready again. For goodness sakes. Although they had their tunes, they should have stayed away from this one. Egads! Ray Conniff Singers- Again, keep the basin handy. Where is that delete button? They sing this one like it is a happy, happy tune. The little cursor on the bottom of the t.v. screen helping us sing along. Mel Torme'- The Velvet Fog, is that his name? He started out with a bang, giving the tune and the lyrics the melancholy wistfulness they have to have. About midway, he decided it was an upbeat tune as well. Ruined it. Delete. (And for all I know, it was meant to be sang that way but after Carly's version, can't stomach it.) Frank Sinatra- He sings it a little too quickly to suit me as well but does a good job. After all, he is Sinatra. Average. Steve Tyrell- Unfamiliar with this guy as well. Sounds a lot like Tony Bennett but doesn't have the catch that Tony has. Does a good job on the tune though. Think this one will stay. The voice of the hunk, the cute one that had lost his marbles in "The Valley of the Dolls." Tony Bennett- Does a great job on this one. Sings it like he means it. No disappointment here. Favorite thus far. Etta James- A disaster, pure and simple. Jo Stafford- This was her tune wasn't it? Wasn't this one of the ones that made her name a household one? Have never cared for her voice and haven't heard her sing this one before.-- I like her voice now. I can see why this was her song. That one could almost make you cry. Very nice, very. Mario Lanza- Isn't this one of the tenors. Don't usually care for this kind of thing. And I still don't. Tone it down dude. Maybe he and Eder should do a duet. Whew! Just saw that a song from Carly entitled (Many of the tunes here are mislabeled by either the wrong name or the wrong singer) 'someone waits for you.' Looking forward to seeing if that is the one. Five Satins- Lounge music. Can almost imagine Bill Murray doing this on SNL. Jimmy Durante- This one is done with angelic voices in the background as Jimmy more or less speaks the words. Done well as he usually did. Cass Elliott- Very nicely done in a very abbreviated version. Hard to find anything wrong with anything Mama did. Four Freshmen- Barbershop music, well done for that. Maguire Sisters- Can they do anything poorly? Not too much into the group thing though. Barry Manilow- Nicely done. Very heartfelt and in the right mood. Hey, I like him! Martha Wainwright- Unfamiliar with this woman too. Fair effort although her voice is very strange. Kind of like a sugary mixture that comes out with an aftertaste. Sarah Vaughn- Beautiful voice but changes the melody. Even she can't do this. 'No wire hangars." Johnny Mathis- Definitely not a Mathis fan except for that 70's duet with Williams. His voice is akin to those fingernails on the chalkboard and it could be used for terrorists debriefings. Imagine that voice played interminably? Who could resist and/or keep secrets? Does a pretty good job though if you care for him. Joni James- One of those 50's chicks I do believe that covered the airways before rock and roll hit. She does a credible job but her hit record was better suited for her. Can't remember what it was. Too sweetiepie. Jackie Gleason- Great musical version with great horns. No singing by Jackie. Hadn't thought of him in years. Took me back to childhood when the entire family would sit around the t.v. on Saturday nights and watch his show. Jane Monheit- Seen this name somewhere. Emotionless as if she was thinking about what she was going to have for dinner or when to wash her hair. Boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "see what a pretty voice I have.' Cindy Thompson- Another unknown and after all those "I'll Be Seeing you" it was nice to hear that this is a different tune. Not bad either. I think I will keep her. Mandy Patinkin- I ask you, can anyone sink any lower than actually listening to Mandy Patinkin sing? For goodness sakes. Vera Lynn- I think this is the lady that did the great 'sisters' duet with Clooney in 'White Christmas." Has a much stronger voice than I expected from that little thing. Angst filled version, very nice. Indeed. Wait a darn minute, more angels. Must have been an MGM production. Engelbert Humperdinck- Remember this guy? A blast from the 60's. Very nice voice. Didn't care too much for him as a kid and only like him a little better now. Beautiful voice though. Perhaps for weddings. Liberace- I guess it can get lower than Patinkin. Wait a minute, very nice piano playing. The very first time I have ever listened to a Liberace offering, just on mere principle. No singing and a very lovely arrangement. Well done. Almost like back in the day when one would get a 45 they liked and play it over and over and over again. Almost, not quite. Jeeesh. Have saved the best for last and hopefully Carly it is. Drats. One of the few tunes that won't play on windows, needs quicktime which i can't seem to get on ME. Maybe next time. Enough foolery. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:30:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: ill be seeing you njc - --- mack watson-bush wrote: > Anyone in the nursing or healthcare fields is aware > of what a mess it is. I > quit my job, finally, after being unable to handle > the lack of staff for one > more day. Applications have been placed and now > have some time to sit back > and do as little as I want to do. Will enjoy it in > lieu of that vacation that > I never got this year. > > My love of music takes up much, too much of my time > says Tod. After opening > Limewire and sitting back a few minutes I noticed > that the top three hits of > the day were 'I'll Be Seeing You." Have searched > for the Carly Simon version > that she led off the flick "Swing Shift" with for a > long time. Have yet to > find it but after seeing the top three for this day, > thus far, I decided to > find alternate versions of the tune. I know, I have > way too much time on my > hands. ha ha. Many have sang the song. > You're going to have to go back and look again - for more. I'm pretty sure Linda Ronstadt has that on the album she did with Nelson Riddle (can't remember the name & can't find it, though I know I've got it - maybe my ex has it.) And Holly Cole does it too. I'd send it to you, but it's on tape and I have no idea how to convert that to mp3. Ha ha! I'm feeding your bad habit. I've done this too with certain songs. When I was takng a singing class, we all had to pick a song to do as a solo and I'd download various versions of whatever song I had picked to get some idea of how others had done it. Good luck with the job search. I had no idea nursing was in the same kind of mess in the US as it is here at home. Funny thing about nursing (here anyway) - one minute they tell us we're oversupplied for nurses, and then the next, they tell us we don't have enough of them - and yet, hospitals continue to lay them off in an effort to save money the fastest way they know how. Don't get me started on that! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:46:58 -0400 From: "Jeffrey Zinkerman" Subject: Phil Lesh I am reading Phil Lesh's (grateful dead) autobiography "searching for the sound", and he brielfy says in passing that he was making music w / artists like Neil Young and Joni Mitchell sometime around mid-1970. Does anyone know of any credits to Phil Lesh on any of Joni's productions at this time ? Just curious, - - Zink ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 03:59:25 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, sending up prayers for Walt and Robert Oh, dear Walt! What can I do to help? I don't know, I really don't know, except to tell you that someone here in Joni-land is thinking of you ("tonight I can *feel* you here"), and wishing you strength and comfort and sending you lots of love. Big cyberhug from your triplet de Joniville, Patti P. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #398 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)