From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #392 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, October 15 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 392 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- all fellow jmdler's sings songs of a prarie girl, now [Oddmund Kaarevik <] Re: Victor?.... (NJC) [Bob Muller ] Re: Dogs as bullies, njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] Ute Lemper cover ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Victor?.... (NJC) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Irish, Joni music, Pierre Bensusan, Prayer Cycle ["Anne Sandstrom" ] Having a bad day?/NJC ["MIKE HICKS" ] Re: Dogs as bullies, njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Dogs as bullies, njc [cindy vickery ] Re: Having a bad day?/NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Dogs as bullies, njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Dogs as bullies, njc [Debra Shea ] Re: NJC__Now is NOT the time to be passive! [Debra Shea ] Re: Dogs as bullies, njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Dogs as bullies, njc [Brian Gross ] Re: Dogs as bullies, njc ["mack watson-bush" ] limewire ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Dogs as bullies, njc [Debra Shea ] RE: Ute Lemper cover [Joseph Palis ] Re: Dogs as bullies, njc ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: limewire NJC [Em ] hello from another Canadian on the jmdl NJC [mags h ] Re: Dogs as bullies, njc and people too ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Dogs as bullies, njc [Em ] Re: Dogs as bullies, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re:2006 JoniFest [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Having a bad day?/NJC ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: Dogs as bullies, njc ["Suze Cameron" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:33:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: all fellow jmdler's sings songs of a prarie girl, now Hello Yesterday - a child came out to wonder- - - - No, that was not the case. Yesterday, on my way to work. As ususal I was in a hurry. I was going to the swimming pool Toyen to take a good swim, before taking the tube and cathing my bus for work. In this hurry, this stress, although it was sunny and all the lovely yellow leaves were brighten up the ground, I lost my discman. . . Probably left it on the tube, and it's gone, faraway, yesterday. . . Well, that was not the main problem. The discman was old and needed replacement soon anyway. The problem is with lay within. . . My newest Joni Mitchell cd. My favourite cd at the moment: "Songs of a prairie girl" So I have the cover, I have the cd-inlet with all those crazy and cheerful pictures of Joni skating away. But I don't have the most important the content, the cd. and I really miss it! Do an of you fellow jmdlers have an extra copy to sell me, or files that can burn to a blank cd. Please contact me offlist: okaarevik@yahoo.no Tthanks a lot! As Patti says: Bon week end to all of you! Love Oddmund ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 04:54:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Victor?.... (NJC) Kay, He should still be linked through his pages on cdbaby - there's a link to email him here: http://cdbaby.com/cd/victorjohnson2 Good luck, tell him I said hey. Bob Kay Ashley wrote: Hey Ya'll~ Does anyone know how to get in touch with Victor these days? Thanks, Kay ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.kayashley.com http://www.elizabethrecords.com - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:57:23 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Dogs as bullies, njc Hi Jim, I really enjoyed reading your story below! Very nostalgic and funny! I didn't know chihuahua's were capable of such viciousness! They usually just bark at you and move on or just stand there and shiver! I have been warned! (Smile) Sherelle Jim wrote, I don't have much to say about bullies but Anne's post on "dogs as bullies" caught my eye. If there's a moral to the story I'm about to tell, it's that confrontation is the key to backing down a dog. (On the other hand, a human stalker might be craving a confrontation. Anyway...) When I was a 12 years old with braces, I delivered the morning newspaper on Sunday. (It paid for gas for the minibike and black-and-white film processing for my Kodak 127 brownie camera. It was 1968.) I collected the bill from customers on Saturday afternoons. For 2 years I was very aware of a gray/black German Shepard on my route. When I was collecting, the dog would snarl with teeth bared, on the other side of the screen door. If he had the ability to troubleshoot, he could have easily jumped through the screen. He never did. A few blocks away, I collected from a new customer for the first time. When the lady opened the door, her Chihuahua bolted towards me, as if it had been shot from a toy cannon. I stopped in my tracks and started laughing. Every red blooded, 12 year old, American male knows that small dogs are laughing stock. That was a bad move. Monty Python's "Killer Rabbit" was based on this particular Chihuahua. At full throttle, it leapt 3 feet into the air and took a bite out of my inner thigh. It was a close call and ever since that day, I've been afraid of Hispanic women who offer to pay me. Several weeks later, it was 5 AM on Sunday. I had healed up and done a lot of thinking about confronting dogs. I had just dropped the Sunday paper on the front porch where the German Shepherd lives. Unbeknownst to me, he was coming around the side yard to find out what caused the commotion. At the corner of the house, we surprised each other. I startled him and he startled me. I blink and hollered "NOOOH!" That big ol German Shepherd turned and ran away as fast as he could. He's been afraid of paperboys with sharpened, metallic teeth ever since. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:24:04 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Ute Lemper cover Anyone heard Ute Lemper's version of 'Moon at the Window' on her 'Blood and Feathers' album? Comments? mike in bcn np Ry Cooder - el u.f.o. cayo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:04:40 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Victor?.... (NJC) Hi Kay, I looked thinking I had an old email saved somewhere but I don't. I remember his address being something like "waytooblue" or "waytoblue" Let me know if you find him! sherelle Kay wrote: Hey Ya'll~ Does anyone know how to get in touch with Victor these days? Thanks, Kay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:04:50 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: Irish, Joni music, Pierre Bensusan, Prayer Cycle The NJC thread about Irish stereotypes (brought on by Bill Moyers, if I recall) has got me thinking. Well, that plus the fact that I saw Riverdance a few weeks ago and have been listening to the music since... I've beenthinking about Joni's music. Other than the Burundi drums, I think her music, although unique, springs from a very North American (folk and jazz) and classical tradition. It would be grand to hear her take on someone like Pierre Bensusan (hi Les) who is influenced by the music of lots of different cultures. I recall reading in the intro to the first song book that she was intrigued by Japanese scales. I suppose some of the melodic structure of her earlier songs is different, but I'm not sure if that was an influence, or whether it was her guitar tunings. (Someone who fuses blues and Japanese influences is Ellen McIlwaine. Listen to "We the People" for a prime example. Japanese scat singing - whew!) And since I'm thinking of this sort of thing, if you want to hear something that's cross-cultural, try "The Prayer Cycle." I have a newfound respect for Alanis Morrisette, who sings in Hungarian on the first piece. Truly haunting. And JT, does a piece later on the CD. Well, enough run on sentences. Back to Riverdance... lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:06:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Dogs as bullies, njc - --- Sherelle Smith wrote: > Hi Jim, > > I really enjoyed reading your story below! Very > nostalgic and funny! I > didn't know chihuahua's were capable of such > viciousness! They usually just > bark at you and move on or just stand there and > shiver! I have been warned! > (Smile) Any chihuahuas I've ever had any experience with have been nasty, yappy little critters (with buggy eyes). I've also found a lot of small dogs are more likely to bite than the big ones. I'm not sure if the breed has anything to do with it, or if it's just that people that own small dogs are more likely to spoil them and to let them get away with bad behaviour than those that own larger dogs. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:10:28 -0400 From: "MIKE HICKS" Subject: Having a bad day?/NJC I went to eat lunch with my 8 year old daughter at her school. (parent day) Across the cafeteria table from me was this sweet boy. I started a "shy" conversation with him and his mom. She told me he had cystic fibrosis, and that she has to message his lungs 4 times a day and his life expectancy is somewhere between 13-15 years old. My problems suddenly just dissolved. Just wanted to share that with someone. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:00:42 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Dogs as bullies, njc Hi Catherine, Thanks so much for that info! If I should ever own a dog again, I think I'm going to make sure it has a little size on it!! It's so important to find a breed that is compaible with you and your lifestyle. Sherelle >From: Catherine McKay >To: Sherelle Smith , jlamadoo@fuse.net >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Dogs as bullies, njc >Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:06:49 -0400 (EDT) > > >--- Sherelle Smith wrote: > > > Hi Jim, > > > > I really enjoyed reading your story below! Very > > nostalgic and funny! I > > didn't know chihuahua's were capable of such > > viciousness! They usually just > > bark at you and move on or just stand there and > > shiver! I have been warned! > > (Smile) > >Any chihuahuas I've ever had any experience with have >been nasty, yappy little critters (with buggy eyes). >I've also found a lot of small dogs are more likely to >bite than the big ones. I'm not sure if the breed has >anything to do with it, or if it's just that people >that own small dogs are more likely to spoil them and >to let them get away with bad behaviour than those >that own larger dogs. > >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________________ >Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:56:51 -0700 (PDT) From: cindy vickery Subject: Re: Dogs as bullies, njc My grandmother's chihuahua, Gigi, bit me everytime I went to visit my grandmother. Week after week, for 10+ years, that dog bit me. Evil incarnate, wrapped in a jittery little fur suit. Glad you got away fairly unscathed, Jim. cindy npimh: "better stay away from him; he'll rip your lungs out, jim. aahhh-oooooooohhhhhh!!!!" Catherine McKay wrote:Any chihuahuas I've ever had any experience with have been nasty, yappy little critters (with buggy eyes). - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:47:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Having a bad day?/NJC It does make you think, doesn't it? Makes all my petty problems just melt away. I saw one of those based-on-a-true-story movies-of-the-week a few years back starring Craig T. Nelson as some sportscaster whose daughter had CF. It was definitely one of those that just left me sobbing. The good news is that the life expectancy of people with CF is longer than it used to be. Most of them didn't used to make it to their teens. Now they're (some of them) living into their 30s and beyond, but it's a tough one, all right, with constant medication and intervention required. - --- MIKE HICKS wrote: > I went to eat lunch with my 8 year old daughter at > her school. (parent day) Across the cafeteria table > from me was this sweet boy. I started a "shy" > conversation with him and his mom. She told me he > had cystic fibrosis, and that she has to message his > lungs 4 times a day and his life expectancy is > somewhere between 13-15 years old. My problems > suddenly just dissolved. Just wanted to share that > with someone. > > Mike > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:56:51 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Dogs as bullies, njc Oh Cindy! I'm laughing out loud at my desk! That is so funny! I had no idea that chihuahua's were like this!!!! Evil incarnate!!! Ha! Ha! Ha! Sherelle >From: cindy vickery >To: Catherine McKay , Sherelle Smith >, jlamadoo@fuse.net >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Dogs as bullies, njc >Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:56:51 -0700 (PDT) > >My grandmother's chihuahua, Gigi, bit me everytime I went to visit my >grandmother. Week after week, for 10+ years, that dog bit me. Evil >incarnate, wrapped in a jittery little fur suit. >Glad you got away fairly unscathed, Jim. > >cindy > >npimh: "better stay away from him; he'll rip your lungs out, jim. >aahhh-oooooooohhhhhh!!!!" > >Catherine McKay wrote:Any chihuahuas I've ever had >any experience with have been nasty, yappy little critters (with buggy >eyes). > > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:54:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Shea Subject: Re: Dogs as bullies, njc - --- cindy vickery wrote: > My grandmother's chihuahua, Gigi, bit me everytime I > went to visit my grandmother. Week after week, for > 10+ years, that dog bit me. Evil incarnate, wrapped > in a jittery little fur suit. Must be the breed. When I was a teenager, my grandmother and I visited my aunt who lived far away, and as soon as we walked into her house, two little noisy dynamos ran toward us, bit up our ankles and then disappeared under the couch. They were so fast we didn't even see them. We ended up going to the hospital. Watch out for those purebred Chichuahas. The dog I had when growing up was part chichuahua and part manchester terrier, and she was a very good dog, a little highstrung but she never bit anybody or even threatened to do that. She would just yap at strangers and act tough from a safe distance, like a terrier. Sometimes mutts are best. My neighbor has a big yellow lab that she takes to Central Park a couple times a day. Early in the morning dogs can be off their leash there, and I pictured huge dog fights happening all the time then. According to my neighbor, though, dogs tend to be more aggressive when they're on the leash and know they can't do real harm, than they are when running free. She said when they're in the park and off the leash they're busy running around and investigating smells and generally having dog fun, and aren't concerned enough about the other dogs to get into a fight with them. I don't know if there's a human equivalent to that, but I found that to be an interesting surprise even if it just applies to dog behavior. Debra Shea __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:03:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Shea Subject: Re: NJC__Now is NOT the time to be passive! - --- Smurf wrote: > Damn! I hate emoticons, or else I would have put > some in ;-) > ... A lot of the Irish stereotyping is, as you say, > Debra, > "off-base and outrageous," but then, so are the > Irish! I'm glad to hear your Irish eyes are (still) smiling... Debra Shea __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:06:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Dogs as bullies, njc - --- cindy vickery wrote: > My grandmother's chihuahua, Gigi, bit me everytime I > went to visit my grandmother. Week after week, for > 10+ years, that dog bit me. Evil incarnate, wrapped > in a jittery little fur suit. > Glad you got away fairly unscathed, Jim. > > cindy > > npimh: "better stay away from him; he'll rip your > lungs out, jim. aahhh-oooooooohhhhhh!!!!" > See? I told ya! They're nasty little critters. My daughter's friend has this oddball little hairy orange doggy with buggy eyes named Pepe that's part Pekingese and part hound from hell. It always yaps if you go near it and is very arbitary about whether it decides to come up to you and be friendly, or just turn on you and sink it's nasty little fangs into your flesh. Given the choice between one that's nasty all the time and one that's got a split personality, I'd take the nasty one, because at least that way, you know what to expect. (and wear armour.) Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:25:38 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Dogs as bullies, njc Please don't blame the dog or the breed. Chihuahua's are very protective of their owners and wary of strangers, especially because of their size. It is up to the owners to take the time to assure the dogs that strangers are no threat. Jerry > --- cindy vickery wrote: > >> My grandmother's chihuahua, Gigi, bit me everytime I >> went to visit my grandmother. Week after week, for >> 10+ years, that dog bit me. Evil incarnate, wrapped >> in a jittery little fur suit. > > Must be the breed. When I was a teenager, my > grandmother and I visited my aunt who lived far away, > and as soon as we walked into her house, two little > noisy dynamos ran toward us, bit up our ankles and > then disappeared under the couch. They were so fast we > didn't even see them. We ended up going to the > hospital. Watch out for those purebred Chichuahas. > > The dog I had when growing up was part chichuahua and > part manchester terrier, and she was a very good dog, > a little highstrung but she never bit anybody or even > threatened to do that. She would just yap at strangers > and act tough from a safe distance, like a terrier. > Sometimes mutts are best. > > My neighbor has a big yellow lab that she takes to > Central Park a couple times a day. Early in the > morning dogs can be off their leash there, and I > pictured huge dog fights happening all the time then. > According to my neighbor, though, dogs tend to be more > aggressive when they're on the leash and know they > can't do real harm, than they are when running free. > She said when they're in the park and off the leash > they're busy running around and investigating smells > and generally having dog fun, and aren't concerned > enough about the other dogs to get into a fight with > them. I don't know if there's a human equivalent to > that, but I found that to be an interesting surprise > even if it just applies to dog behavior. > > Debra Shea > > > > > > __________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:28:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Dogs as bullies, njc Debra Shea wrote: > She [her neighbor] said when they're in the park and off the leash > they're busy running around and investigating smells > and generally having dog fun, and aren't concerned > enough about the other dogs to get into a fight with > them. And she wonders: > I don't know if there's a human equivalent to > that, but I found that to be an interesting surprise > even if it just applies to dog behavior. now me: Yes, there *is* a human equivalent. It's called JoniFest!! Have a good weekend everyone! Brian in south jersey I've looked at love from both sides now From give and take, and still somehow It's love's illusions I recall I really don't know love at all --Joan, with the wisdom of the ages __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:31:29 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Dogs as bullies, njc Sherelle wrote: Cindy! I'm laughing out loud at my desk! That is so funny! I had no idea > that chihuahua's were like this!!!! Evil incarnate!!! Ha! Ha! Ha! Sherelle and all, I find it depends on the particular dog. Tod and I have 10 dogs currently, with 2 more on the farm. 3 of them are full blood chihuahuas. They can be yappy and noisy but don't usually bite, unless you try to pick them up and don't know them. One, that is similar in looks to the Taco Bell commercial dog, warms up to folks in a hurry. The other two are teacup and they are a bit more neurotic but would much rather run than fight. I had a full blooded pit bull a few years ago. He was such a good dog, Franz. My (not close and not blood related, thus the Watson-Bush) relatives hated him and did their best to run him over, which they eventually did (this being out in the wilds of Texas, on the farm, where I used to live, before I wised up). The bastards. He could fight and when my older sister died and we took her chow to my house they immediately fought, before we could separate them. The chow didn't have a chance and the fight was short. Other than that, I never saw Franz aggressive with anyone, including many children. He would do what I told him and never growled at me or even looked as if he was about to disobey. I loved him much. As a child back in the day, also out in the country on farms, we would frequently have neighbor dogs or strays come to the house and then our dogs and they would fight. Those dogs were usually German shephards and they seemed to get in fights much more than pits do. (I also have a pit here now named Shadow. He doesn't like to fight and have had no trouble with him either although he does get after the male chihuahua that seems to always start fights with other dogs. He, Agadore, is a bit of a crazy little mutt so there is credence to chihuahuas being nutty.) We didn't know better then and enjoyed it. Here, now, five of the dogs are 1/2 chihuahua and have little to none of the disposition of such. They are cheery and happy and show no neurotic behavior but do like to bark, the little devils. I cannot say no to a mutt in trouble and they always end up coming home with me although I suppose that will have to stop now that I am in the city. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:58:33 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: limewire Having scads of fun with Limewire and have found tunes there that I never thought I would have the pleasure to listen to again. It can make the computer run slowly when it is on but other than that, and an occasional virus, well worth the money. I enjoy seeing which tunes get the most hits during the day, as others share them, and which are saved the most often as well. Currently, I have saved 964 tunes to my collection. Number one in the hit dept., which is a bit of a surprise, is Streisand "Lost Inside of You" and it always seems to do well. I would imagine it is semi-hard to find. The number one upload is a tune by Rick Astley, again the same situation I figure. Joni seems to run in the middle of the pack in both categories. I have four of her albums only on cassette and am trying to get them here so I don't have to buy more cd's. Also, it allows me to not bother with the tunes I don't like; from her, from anyone. The number one saved tune yesterday was the ghastly McCartney tune we wrote about last week, mull of something. EEEk. Apparently, still have a lot of fans. 60's rock also does very well and as for today's music, don't have much of it so can't say but did get a tune from Ryan Adams, as I look to see if anyone these days warrants my attention. He was pretty good. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:30:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Shea Subject: Re: Dogs as bullies, njc - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > Please don't blame the dog or the breed. Chihuahua's > are very protective of > their owners and wary of strangers, especially > because of their size. It is > up to the owners to take the time to assure the dogs > that strangers are no > threat. Well, yeah... if the little nippers give the owner enough time to do that! Different breeds have different characteristics, so I will blame the breed and continue to dislike certain ones... chihuahuas, pit bulls, those big black dogs some macho guys here in NYC have... forget what they're called... I don't like them or the guys who feel tougher with them. Trying to get a pit bull to not use their powerful jaws is like trying to get a border collie to not herd sheep (or running children). That's what they're made to do. It's part of their being. Pit bulls have been bred to have the jaws and aggressiveness to fight and kill other pit bulls, and even if an owner doesn't use their dog for that purpose, the pit bull is still made to do that and can't distinguish between that activity and trying to kill a kid who happens to be nearby. I wouldn't mind if all pit bulls disappeared. At least little chihuahuas can only make little bites. Debra Shea __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:38:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE: Ute Lemper cover Mike, First of all, I love Ute Lemper and the supreme artistry she imbies all her performances be it in the recording (I love "City of Strangers" and "Berlin Cabaret Songs"), stage (I listened to a London cast recording of "Chicago" and her Velma Kelly is vibrant with a built-in menace the way Catherine Zeta-Jones' competent-but-not-too-compelling Velma did not possess) and cinema (from "Combat de Fauves" to "Pret-a-Porter"). Second, I thought "Blood and Feathers" is one of the most outstanding releases of 2005. And whether it will get some critics' awards or a Grammy, this recording captured Ute Lemper's gift for deconstructing the love songs that defined our lives, or highlighting the darkness in some of the familiar tunes we have heard. That said, I thought the inclusion of "Moon at the Window" in her Moon Medley is an inspired touch and a solid homage to Joni's ability to create a word-scape of mystery and incipient gloom that compares with the best of the "Moon" songs Ute performed. When she segued from Weill's "Moon on Alabama" to Joni's "Moon at the Window", I detected a Joni-esque phrasing in Ute as she sings about what the thieves left behind. She is in her element when she issues a rapid-fire near-falsetto declaration that "people don't know how to love" before introducing us to Harold Arlen's "It's Only A Paper Moon". The Arlen song which bespeaks of love's true intentions using iconic parallels is, I think, a good follow-up to Joni's "Moon at the Window" -- both songs are talking about the ambivalent binaries love brings, but Ute shrouded both songs with a subtle transposition that made both songs a shade darker than the original intentions of the songwriters. Do get "Blood and Feathers" -- tt is a showcase of theatre (and theatricality), versatility and a keener engagement with the texts and how they are made to conform to her theme. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Meredith D'Ambrosio - "Blame It All On Spring" mike pritchard a icrit : Anyone heard Ute Lemper's version of 'Moon at the Window' on her 'Blood and Feathers' album? Comments? mike in bcn np Ry Cooder - el u.f.o. cayo - --------------------------------- Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Tilichargez le ici ! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:49:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Dogs as bullies, njc Debra Shea wrote: > --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > >> Please don't blame the dog or the breed. Chihuahua's >> are very protective of >> their owners and wary of strangers, especially >> because of their size. It is >> up to the owners to take the time to assure the dogs >> that strangers are no >> threat. > > Well, yeah... if the little nippers give the owner > enough time to do that! Yes, but that would be the owners responsibility, not the dogs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:52:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: limewire NJC I can't get anything (because of my conscience) from LIMEWIRE unless its totally unavailable on iTunes, and pretty hard to get even commercially like on amazon.com. Like right now tho, I would have NOOOOOOOOOOOO prob whatsoever downloading stuff from the STone Poneys' first album - the one that has 2:10 Train on it. Its just UNAVAILABLE. Have tried soooo hard to get the CD. (but, its not even on LIMEWIRE!) Got like, the theme to the Munsters off there before. But I feel real guilty unless there's a good reason why I can't the thing elsewhere. the last thing I got off LIMEWIRE was "Plastic Jesus" by Ernie Marrs. (the orig real one I think) All they have on iTunes are punkish new versions. I also got about 10 weird-ass old versions of "Whiskey In the Jar" off Limewire. But I can't actively allow myself more. Now that there is iTunes, its WONDERFUL!!!!!!! yay, you buy a song, the artist is payed..you didn't have to pay for the other 9 crap songs on the sh_te album and all is well with the world. :) Em - --- mack watson-bush wrote: > Having scads of fun with Limewire and have found tunes there that I > never > thought I would have the pleasure to listen to again. It can make > the > computer run slowly when it is on but other than that, and an > occasional > virus, well worth the money. I enjoy seeing which tunes get the most > hits > during the day, as others share them, and which are saved the most > often as > well. Currently, I have saved 964 tunes to my collection. Number > one in the > hit dept., which is a bit of a surprise, is Streisand "Lost Inside of > You" and > it always seems to do well. I would imagine it is semi-hard to find. > The > number one upload is a tune by Rick Astley, again the same situation > I figure. > Joni seems to run in the middle of the pack in both categories. I > have four > of her albums only on cassette and am trying to get them here so I > don't have > to buy more cd's. Also, it allows me to not bother with the tunes I > don't > like; from her, from anyone. The number one saved tune yesterday was > the > ghastly McCartney tune we wrote about last week, mull of something. > EEEk. > Apparently, still have a lot of fans. 60's rock also does very well > and as > for today's music, don't have much of it so can't say but did get a > tune from > Ryan Adams, as I look to see if anyone these days warrants my > attention. He > was pretty good. > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:52:45 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: hello from another Canadian on the jmdl NJC Hi Karen, I read your notes all along, however, have not had a chance to welcome you and to reiterate that there is something precious about Canada, and especially the prairie (where I live)....the light in and of itself is glorious; fields of canola, flax, rough land, sweet people. Music in our souls. I can understand what Joni expresses in her songs even more so, now that my roots are firmly planted in deep rich black prairie soil. Anything you'd like to know further about all things Canada, , feel free to write & ask. warmest welcome to you, Mags, one of the prairie sun flowers ;-) you could move mountains with the words you do not say ~mark reeves~ www.markreeves.com www.jeremyproctor.com - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:46:43 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Dogs as bullies, njc and people too Dogs are not equivalent to people as bullies. When a young child, seemed to get along with the other children quite well. Then we moved. Adolescent was another story. I didn't know who I was or what I was or how I was but I got called sissy a lot. I was one of the roughest children on the playground and couldn't understand it until years later when I saw myself on tape and heard myself as well. Nevertheless, I was never the absolute nelly child on the grounds ( that was Melvin who played with the girls at every recess. I liked him.) and only the piggish types would call me names. It hurt anyway. So, being natural I suppose, I developed my defenses. I never became a tough boy but worked on looking like I was. It saved me and I never was attacked or hit and made it real clear to anyone that if they wanted a fight, I would give them one, and if they won I would get them later. Those were the Janis days so my unkempt wild appearance helped. But the tool that I used to the most degree and that was most successful was my mouth. I developed my sarcasm to such a fine tuning that no one wanted to cross me, for if they did I would make others laugh at them. Nobody likes that, even the assholes. It is true that a good offense is the best defense and an available target seems to bring out the worst in those that like to bully. Stand up to them and they usually wilt away. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:04:02 -0400 From: Subject: Shout out to Fred Simon, njc Fred, Have you recorded a song called, "In the Palm Of Your Hand"? It was popularized by Allison Krauss. I heard overheard a keyboard take on that song today that sounded just like your approach on "Songs Of My Youth, vol. 1". If you haven't recorded it, you have a copycat and should sue right away. :) Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:14:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Dogs as bullies, njc its a big prob for me and gf, cuz we love the pit "look" and we feel so horrible for all the abused pits. People do horrid things to them. I soooooooooo wish I could avoid the prob, and next dog BUY a Bull Terrier, cuz we love that look too (you know, Spuds - and the Target dog ) but our conscience won;t let us, I'm quite sure. Will probably end up adopting an abused but very young pit pup. Of which there are zillions in FL. And just trying to make it as sweet and socialized as can be. The pit thing is a hard prob. Feed them alot, get them quite fat, love them alot - has worked for us; and I've had a couple that were wonderful dogs. I know its a possiblity to get one that will "snap" tho. Too scary. On the other hand I've known INSANE Jack Russells. I know 2 brothers that wish to kill each other. The owners came home once to blood all over like a murder scene and one dog pretty badly wounded.They have to be seperated during the day, and one has to take Valium. But at 12 lbs, its diff. Em - --- Debra Shea wrote: > --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > > > Please don't blame the dog or the breed. Chihuahua's > > are very protective of > > their owners and wary of strangers, especially > > because of their size. It is > > up to the owners to take the time to assure the dogs > > that strangers are no > > threat. > > Well, yeah... if the little nippers give the owner > enough time to do that! > > Different breeds have different characteristics, so I > will blame the breed and continue to dislike certain > ones... chihuahuas, pit bulls, those big black dogs > some macho guys here in NYC have... forget what > they're called... I don't like them or the guys who > feel tougher with them. Trying to get a pit bull to > not use their powerful jaws is like trying to get a > border collie to not herd sheep (or running children). > That's what they're made to do. It's part of their > being. Pit bulls have been bred to have the jaws and > aggressiveness to fight and kill other pit bulls, and > even if an owner doesn't use their dog for that > purpose, the pit bull is still made to do that and > can't distinguish between that activity and trying to > kill a kid who happens to be nearby. I wouldn't mind > if all pit bulls disappeared. At least little > chihuahuas can only make little bites. > > Debra Shea > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:55:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Dogs as bullies, njc > --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > > > Please don't blame the dog or the breed. > Chihuahua's > > are very protective of > > their owners and wary of strangers, especially > > because of their size. It is > > up to the owners to take the time to assure the > dogs > > that strangers are no > > threat. I have heard that chihuahuas are one-person dogs, so it makes sense that they would be protective of their owners and wary of strangers. I have met one or two that were quite friendly though, so I guess part of it (as with any dog) is the animal's natural disposition (some of which probably is breed-related) but a lot of it is the way they are raised and trained. - --- Debra Shea wrote: > Trying to get a pit bull to > not use their powerful jaws is like trying to get a > border collie to not herd sheep (or running > children). > That's what they're made to do. It's part of their > being. Pit bulls have been bred to have the jaws and > aggressiveness to fight and kill other pit bulls, > and > even if an owner doesn't use their dog for that > purpose, the pit bull is still made to do that and > can't distinguish between that activity and trying > to > kill a kid who happens to be nearby. I wouldn't mind > if all pit bulls disappeared. At least little > chihuahuas can only make little bites. > My sister used to have an Australian shepherd and my aunt was visiting with her two Keeshonds. All the dogs were out in the yard. At one point, they looked outside, and Hailey, the Ozzie shepherd, had the two Keeshonds herded into a corner. Here in Ontario, they recently banned pitbulls, which is pretty controversial. I'm not sure what to make of it. There were a number of savage attacks, usually on children, by pitbulls which prompted this. On the other hand, I've met some pitbulls that are very sweet dogs. And there are other breeds that have attacked and maimed or killed kids. If you have a pitbull, you're supposed to keep it muzzled and on leash at all times if you're outside, and you're supposed to spay or neuter your pitbull. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:49:58 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re:2006 JoniFest (In a message dated 10/14/05 3:05:25 AM, jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: > If there's a summer JoniFest 06 anywhere in North America, I'll most likely > be there. This new job has really changed my finances. > > Jim) > Hey, all... I may not be responding to too many post lately but if there's a JoniFest in the NorthEast, please count me in! Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:19:21 -0500 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: Having a bad day?/NJC Thanks for reminding us that we need to live for the moment Mike. Next week is the year anniversary of my good friend's son's death. He would have been 21 last weekend. Take a few mintues out of your busy day and tell your family you love them Suze - ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKE HICKS" To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Having a bad day?/NJC Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:10:28 -0400 > > I went to eat lunch with my 8 year old daughter at her school. > (parent day) Across the cafeteria table from me was this sweet > boy. I started a "shy" conversation with him and his mom. She > told me he had cystic fibrosis, and that she has to message his > lungs 4 times a day and his life expectancy is somewhere between > 13-15 years old. My problems suddenly just dissolved. Just wanted > to share that with someone. > > Mike - -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:21:12 -0500 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: Dogs as bullies, njc You know what is even worse? An Irish Chichuahua. Suze - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Shea" To: "cindy vickery" Subject: Re: Dogs as bullies, njc Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:54:19 -0700 (PDT) > > --- cindy vickery wrote: > > > My grandmother's chihuahua, Gigi, bit me everytime I > > went to visit my grandmother. Week after week, for > > 10+ years, that dog bit me. Evil incarnate, wrapped > > in a jittery little fur suit. > > Must be the breed. When I was a teenager, my > grandmother and I visited my aunt who lived far away, > and as soon as we walked into her house, two little > noisy dynamos ran toward us, bit up our ankles and > then disappeared under the couch. They were so fast we > didn't even see them. We ended up going to the > hospital. Watch out for those purebred Chichuahas. > > The dog I had when growing up was part chichuahua and > part manchester terrier, and she was a very good dog, > a little highstrung but she never bit anybody or even > threatened to do that. She would just yap at strangers > and act tough from a safe distance, like a terrier. > Sometimes mutts are best. > > My neighbor has a big yellow lab that she takes to > Central Park a couple times a day. Early in the > morning dogs can be off their leash there, and I > pictured huge dog fights happening all the time then. > According to my neighbor, though, dogs tend to be more > aggressive when they're on the leash and know they > can't do real harm, than they are when running free. > She said when they're in the park and off the leash > they're busy running around and investigating smells > and generally having dog fun, and aren't concerned > enough about the other dogs to get into a fight with > them. I don't know if there's a human equivalent to > that, but I found that to be an interesting surprise > even if it just applies to dog behavior. > > Debra Shea > > > > > > __________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #392 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)