From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #388 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, October 11 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 388 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Joni and Canada [Jamie Zubairi ] on drugs, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: on drugs, njc [Em ] on drugs, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] several topics (njc) ["Anne Sandstrom" ] Re: Beat depression, njc [Jenny Goodspeed ] Dolly's BSN (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Dolly's BSN (NJC) ["Jerry Notaro" ] No mountains in sight from Saskatoon [Kate ] Victor Victoria NJC [Bryan ] White Sox (njc) [revrvl@comcast.net (vince)] Re: Ian Shaw's Joni Tribute & other Covers news [seulbzzaj@aol.com] Re: White Sox (njc) ["Anne Sandstrom" ] Birthday card for Joni ["Les Irvin" ] Annabelle - A Coat Of Flowers [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni and Canada ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: White Sox , other assorted posts and JONI content! ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: was White Sox , other assorted posts, now NYC minifest njc [RoseMJoy@] Re: on drugs, njc ["mack watson-bush" ] post drug legalization scenario science fiction? NJC [Em ] Re: Ian Shaw's Joni Tribute & other Covers news [Bob Muller ] Re: post drug legalization scenario science fiction? NJC [Catherine McKa] Joni on dime ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Carly Simon NJC ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: Joni on dime [Doug ] Re: post drug legalization scenario science fiction? NJC [hell@ihug.co.n] FW: Joni on dime ["Richard Flynn" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:46:07 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: RE: Joni and Canada lol! Talk about 'for readers who aren't paying attention' Just testing, of course ;-) hehee - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > Jamie's advice is on target, except that Karen > O'Brien's book is called > _Joni Mitchell: Shadows and Light_. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jamie > Zubairi > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:57 PM > To: Karen Marie Espeland; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Joni and Canada > > Hello Karen Marie > > as many people have told you Brian Hinton's book is > meant to be read by those that aren't paying > attention. A better book is by Karen O'Brien, also > called 'Both Sides Now'. I think there is another > one > on it's way called 'Both Sides Now'... how these > 'biographers' can claim to be imaginative writers, I > don't know... Couldn't they call it 'Hejira'? I > think > in the current climate it might sell more ;-) > > Yes, well, your question: Joni is Canadian by birth > and she grew up there until she was in her early > twenties when she married Chuck Mitchell who > 'carried > her off to his country for marriage too soon' (I Had > A > King). > > I'm not sure I would call Joni 'dispossessed' nor > would I lay claim that Canada is either... > Canehdians > out there on the JMDL? Not sure either that Joni and > Buffy's friendship mean that they think alike or > write > alike... The only encounter that I know of Joni and > Buffy having was when Buffy covered 'The Circle > Game' > and David Geffen loved the song and Buffy snapped > 'That was by Joni Mitchell'... David soon signed the > young Joni to his stable of clients. > > I know that Joni talks of Sasktoon as a 'foothill > town' where the prairie meets the mountains in the > distance, and the prairies around Saskatoon 'start > to > roll' and further on the horizon they meet the > mountains. It sounds lovely, to be honest, just flat > flat falt wheatfields slowly rising up to lilac > mountains in the distance... Dispossessed? > Proprietorial? Hmmmm Mr Hinton, talk some sense!!!! > > I hope you're well and I hope your theses on A Case > Of > You is going well > > Much JOni > > Jamie Zoob > > I am keen on exploring the relationship between > > Joni, her art > > (particularly her music) and Canada. > > I'm reading Joni Mitchell - Both Sides Now, the > > biography by Brian > > Hinton, and I came across something about Canada, > > that puzzled me. It > > says that Joni has claimed 'native roots', and > that > > she is a friend of > > Buffy Sainte-Marie's: 'the two women share a sense > > of the Canadian > > landscape with is nostalgic, and angry, > > proprietorial and > > dispossessed, at the same time.' (p 75) Can any of > > you relate to these > > 'facts' about the Canadian landscape? > > Do you think it has affected Joni's art? If so, > how? > > If some of her art can be considered nostalgic, > can > > Canada be 'blamed' for it? > > > > I've never been to Canada, but I imagine that it > > might resemble Europe > > to a larger extent than the US - but I'm not sure > as > > I've never been > > to the American continent (but I will!). Canada > > seems to be a low-key, > > and discrete kind of place as I've not heard much > > about it, through > > the news, etc. I've thought about the random > mixture > > of 'cultural > > artifacts' that I've come across here in Norway, > > through the years, > > involving Canada: Margaret Atwood, South Park > (Blame > > Canada! > > > > ___________________________________________________________ Does your mail provider give you FREE antivirus protection? Get Yahoo! Mail http://uk.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:01:25 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: on drugs, njc marijuanna should be legalized. . I think it is less problematic than alcohol seems strange to me that alcohol is legal and pot it not Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 05:22:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: on drugs, njc alcohol is the white man's money making drug and therfore legal. Marijuana belongs to everyone, or very easily "could" (for free), and therefore they ban it. Sooooo many reasons why it is illegal, that, to me, have nothing to do with the effect of the drug. I just think alcohol should be illegal too! No beer fo' you! a little white wine?? nay...... :P Em - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > marijuanna should be legalized. . > > I think it is less problematic than alcohol > > seems strange to me that alcohol is legal and pot it not > > > Marianne > > _________________________________________________________________ > Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:17:48 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: on drugs, njc I am for decrimialization of all drugs. . it is a privacy issue - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Em To: Marianne Rizzo , jonilist Subject: Re: on drugs, njc Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 05:22:47 -0700 (PDT) alcohol is the white man's money making drug and therfore legal. Marijuana belongs to everyone, or very easily "could" (for free), and therefore they ban it. Sooooo many reasons why it is illegal, that, to me, have nothing to do with the effect of the drug. I just think alcohol should be illegal too! No beer fo' you! a little white wine?? nay...... :P Em - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > marijuanna should be legalized. . > > I think it is less problematic than alcohol > > seems strange to me that alcohol is legal and pot it not > > > Marianne > > _________________________________________________________________ > Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:07:50 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: several topics (njc) Sherrelle: First off, a big congratulations to Sherelle for a successful concert. I've been listening to your CD a bunch recently. I'd just LOVE to have a whole collection of CDs of you. For some reason, I often think of Grover Washington Jr.'s "Winelight" when I listen to you, even though it a mostly instrumental CD. It's totally classy all the way through, keeps its vision, but explores different avenues within its boundaries. (Oh, how obtuse is that?) Anyway, if "Winelight" is a Pinot Grigio, you are a Pinot Noir - rich and smoky. Baseball: A BIG congrats to the Angels! Having the Yankees pack their bags is almost as good as the Sox (red) winning :-) Bullies: Mags asked about bullies. Seems to be a common thread with a few people around me lately, so I'll just comment quickly. I think bullies are often big cowards. Kind of like the doberman that lived across the street when I was growing up. She'd bark and snarl at anyone who walked by, from the safety of her fenced in yard. Once part of the fence fell down, she found herself outside the yard. No more barking and snarling. Anyway, I guess most bullies' aggression comes from insecurity. That doesn't make it any easier if you're their target, though. Covers 69: Sorry I'm not emailing privately, Bob. Yes, I'd like Covers volume 69, please. Just let me know what I need to do, please. (no comments from the peanut gallery, please) lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:36:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Beat depression, njc I have one to add Jim. Get your thyroid tested. If your doctor says it's 'normal' ask for the results. A few years back the cutoff for possibly hypothyroidism was lowered, but many doctors aren't aware of this. If anyone wants more info feel free to ask me. Jenny "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" wrote:Hello, I am the King Of Pain. Many of Joni's fans have had bouts of depression; I am one. If you are too, here are some ideas for coping and conquering. This is an unsorted, non-judgemental list of "What Works", from people who know from experience: * Force yourself to get some kind of exercise, even for 5 minutes. * Find happiness in what you have (instead of pining for what you don't.) but... * Do not become resolved to complacency. So, you're both finding happiness and actively looking & struggling towards it. There's a paradox in there, that makes it difficult, I suspect. * Leave the dangers of the inner city and move to the country. * Stop drinking alcohol. Ask yourself if it's a good idea to flood your already depressed system with a depressant. * Keep a Gratitude List to refer to. Write down 5 things that you're grateful for every night before bed. * Eat a diet of healthy foods (reducing sugars and watching carb intake and overly-processed food "junk calorie" intake, especially) * Get a close support group of friends or family (or a more traditional support group) to talk with, and that you trust enough to listen to (and then take action) if they say they're worried about you. * Ultimately you have to come to some peace within. It all comes down to faith- about oneself- that 'you'll be alright', that the world is not totally mad (and you are the only sane one there- or visa versa), and that there is a reason, somewhere, for everything. * Talk to people who have depression. Talk to people who don't have depression, but who understand that it is a very real condition that effects you physically, emotionally, and spiritually. Ask them to let you know when they think your depression is starting to become a problem again - it's very sneaky and you may not realize it's happening. * Do things you love. If you have lost interest in everything, do things you know you *used* to love. * Music works for me - always has. * Be a realist * Don't sweat the small stuff * Keep growing; never "retire" * Trust some sort of spiritual being * Go for a walk for 1/2 hour at least. This works everytime for me. * Pray or meditate. Ask for strength, clarity, and fellowship. * Be willing to call in professional help if things start feeling truly hopeless * Take a hot, hot, hot shower or soak your feet in hot water * Eat something, especially protein and some complex carbs, even if you don't feel hungry * Go to a good movie and get lost in the story * Go on a road trip to someplace new * So be it, remind yourself it's temporary and rent a bunch of movies you love to get through the day/week/month. Get comfy and read a good book, magazine, or do crosswords. * Get to know your depression - are there triggers? does it take a certain form (ups and downs - or chronic)? does it happen during a certain time of the year? month? day? * See your physician, acupuncturist, herbalist, therapist, or other health practitioner of your choice (note it can take a LOT of legwork to find someone who is right for you - don't give up). * Get sleep. If you have a sleep disorder, see someone to help you treat it. You may be the kind of person who needs to exercise pretty hard almost everyday in order to sleep well. * Try "light therapy" in the fall, winter, and spring * Ride a bicycle. * Be kind to yourself. If you're beating yourself up, imagine saying the things you are saying to yourself to someone you love dearly. It sounds ridiculous doesn't it? So knock it off! * Take some risks. Challenge yourself. Do things that make you feel proud. Get involved in outside commitments that force you to participate in the world even if it's the last thing you want to do. * Your mantra when you simply cannot get out of the hell that is your brain or you are thinking of suicide: AND THIS TOO SHALL PASS. Batten down the hatches and wait it out, doing the best that you can, and being very forgiving, understanding, and gentle with yourself. * And if you are feeling this way quite frequently GET HELP. * Don't count out antidepressants - they are not an easy way out, but a brave and difficult choice. They are not a miracle cure and can be a mixed bag. But they may greatly improve the quality of your life. * Listen to a lot of sad music (sad doesn't necessarily equal depressing - it's catharsis) so I can get good and blubbery and cry it out (cleans out the eyes and sinuses at the same time. Bonus.) * Listening to joyful music. Some of my all-time joyful music(s) are: Exultate, Jubilate by Mozart; Hungry Heart by Bruuuuuuccce (especially when played good and loud while driving, driving, driving, with the windows open) * Volunteer: If at the end of the day the world is a better place because you worked in a soup kitchen, or helped teach someone to read, or picked up litter off the highway, you know that you've made a difference, that it matters that you're here, and that there are a host of others out there who are much worse off than you * Music: Like Jackson Browne says, "let the music keep our spirits high", like JT says "singing works just fine for me" If you have one that works for you, write me off list. All the best, King of Pain PS I'm fine. I'm just passing this stuff on. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:08:22 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Dolly's BSN (NJC) Bob writes: > Keeping abreast of other covers news, Dolly's BSN cover comes out tomorrow > - should be titillating I didn't get to hear Dolly's cover of BSN (yet), but on satellite radio this morning, they played two other covers. She does a great job with Dylan's "Blowing In the Wind" and Lennon's "Imagine." Should be a great CD all around. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:46:52 -0500 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Dolly's BSN (NJC) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:43:25 -0600 From: Kate Subject: No mountains in sight from Saskatoon Calgary is the foothill town she must have been speaking of, in Alberta, where she went to art school. I guarantee you, there are no "mountains rising off in the distance" anywhere near Saskatoon! Kate journal ~ http://xoetc.antville.org correspondence ~ http://letterwritershotel.blogspot.com fiction ~ http://stubblejump.diaryland.com > I know that Joni talks of Sasktoon as a 'foothill > town' where the prairie meets the mountains in the > distance, and the prairies around Saskatoon 'start to > roll' and further on the horizon they meet the > mountains. It sounds lovely, to be honest, just flat > flat falt wheatfields slowly rising up to lilac > mountains in the distance... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:14:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: Victor Victoria NJC >Carly Simon sounds like a man. >Carly Simon sounds like Wayne Newton. >Wayne Newton sounds like a woman. >Therefore, Carly Simon sounds like a man who sounds >like a woman? >Catherine >Toronto Well, not exactly. Wayne Newton is a man (I guess) who sounded like a woman when he was a boy. So Carly Simon is a woman who sounds like a man who sounded like a woman when he was a boy. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:19:31 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: White Sox (njc) No love for the White Sox who have not won a World Series or, until last Friday, any kind of post season series since 1917? We White Sox fans are a despised lot, it seems. But that is ok. The tears have been flowing the last week from all the Sox fans who have waited decades, lifetimes, to see us win something. I took the 79 year mother of long time friends to last Wednesday's game - she never thought she'd see the Sox win in post season. I cannot explain what it feels like as a fan to finally to be on the cusp of something good, that for once we have our moment to shine. Yoiu can't believe the emotion is being felt by my Sox fan friends. Listening to the network announcers last week, it was like we were killing other people's dreams - but hell, what about our dreams? Don't we count? Do we not live and breathe and have hopes to see our team win? I guess we don't, blue collar team as we are, and nothing seemingly romantic about us. But on we go - Vince, White Sox fan and proud, win or lose, just because they are my Sox - -- http://www.southsiders.net - -------------- Original message -------------- > Baseball: A BIG congrats to the Angels! Having the Yankees pack their bags is > almost as good as the Sox (red) winning :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:30:15 -0400 From: seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Re: Ian Shaw's Joni Tribute & other Covers news From: Bob Muller Read the whole deal at: http://www.courant.com/features/lifestyle/hc-shawrev1010.artoct10,0,3389732.story?coll=hc-headlines-life Thanks for the url on that, Bob. Speaking of Joni covers, have you heard the British jazz singer Liane Carroll's version of River? Checkout her website http://www.lianecarroll.com/ Liane is great. Her CD's are not easy to find in the US, but are available on the internet. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:07:22 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: Re: White Sox (njc) Hi Vince, Sorry, the loss is still a little too fresh for me to rejoice for you. As the post season progresses, I'll be rooting for you, though. And, yes, I know that joy. For my entire life "not in my lifetime" meant only one thing in Boston. And now, that phrase applies only to whether the Big Dig will ever be completed :-) The Red Sox are still considering a special grave marker to fans who passed on before last year's win. As for your Sox, I don't know why they (or any other team really) don't seem to share the widespread popularity my Sox do. My brother spotted Red Sox caps on kids on reservations in the Southwest U.S. I saw someone in Paris sporting a cap with a Red Sox "B". So there really is a Red Sox Nation. Anyway, be sure to savor the joy now. It really is special. Oh, and one more reason the hate the Yankees - they never have fun! The fact that they call their uniform "pinstripes" surely indicates that they're all businessmen at heart. When was the last time you saw Matsui smile? Or Joe Torre? lots of love, Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: revrvl@comcast.net To: "Anne Sandstrom" , joni@smoe.org Subject: White Sox (njc) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:19:31 +0000 No love for the White Sox who have not won a World Series or, until last Friday, any kind of post season series since 1917? We White Sox fans are a despised lot, it seems. But that is ok. The tears have been flowing the last week from all the Sox fans who have waited decades, lifetimes, to see us win something. I took the 79 year mother of long time friends to last Wednesday's game - she never thought she'd see the Sox win in post season. I cannot explain what it feels like as a fan to finally to be on the cusp of something good, that for once we have our moment to shine. Yoiu can't believe the emotion is being felt by my Sox fan friends. Listening to the network announcers last week, it was like we were killing other people's dreams - but hell, what about our dreams? Don't we count? Do we not live and breathe and have hopes to see our team win? I guess we don't, blue collar team as we are, and nothing see mingly romantic about us. But on we go - Vince, White Sox fan and proud, win or lose, just because they are my Sox -- http://www.southsiders.net -------------- Original message -------------- > Baseball: A BIG congrats to the Angels! Having the Yankees pack their bags is > almost as good as the Sox (red) winning :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:10:29 -0400 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Birthday card for Joni Joniphiles - Anyone out there care to create a birthday card for Joni?? It would have to be quick, as the time is rapidly approaching. The card, as each year, will be personally delivered to Joni on behalf of JoniMitchell.com and JMDL.com. Contact me off list if interested. Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:21:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Annabelle - A Coat Of Flowers Annabell is my neighbour. When i look thru my window i can see her face reflecting from a hole inside a bush. Her hair is always a mess. Same underware. She's got lots of drinking friends. They drink all night. But she's alone, swinging between sanity and strange anxiety, sleeps all day, wakes up at night and howles infront of her stereo. But never the same song. Annabell's always in a bad mood. Where is her man? So i burned a Joni cd for her, and she's been playing MARCIE so loud you could easily feel that she's "One of those women". Poor and lovely Annabelle. So when you go to sleep tonight - say a prayer for them both. That was all i had to say. Yours, Nuriel - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:41:39 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Re: Joni and Canada Karen, I suspect that as in Norway, Canadian identity is very much a regional thing, and is more subtle and complex than mounties, beavers and the maple leaf. Joni's Canada are primarily the provinces of Saskatchewan (Maidstone, Saskatoon), Alberta (Calgary) and British Columbia (her home on the ocean in Sechelt). While she also spent some time in Toronto, I think it is safe to say she has a western and prairie vision of Canada, very different from say, the Maritime provinces in the east or French Quebec. The landscape features preeminently in both her writing and painting, and this is surely tied to her sense of identity as a ``Prairie Girl.`` In fact, a close reading of the songs presented on Joni's last compilation, SOAPGirl, should give you many ideas to help connect the writing, the land and her artwork. Joni is also an accomplished photographer - as the self portraits of double-exposed images she made in Canada on the Night Ride Home album testify. Last year, at the McGill Joni symposium in Montreal, a fellow by the name of Udayan Sen gave an interesting talk on Joni's art, as revealed through her album covers. You can hear and see his talk in streaming video at the following link. Click the AM session, then move the cursor up to about hour 01:27. http://www.mcgill.ca/music/events/jmitchell_symposium/ You willl also find some talk and images of some of Joni's art at the following link http://www.jonimitchell.com/DiaryDecade/word.htm You can also hear Joni speak about place and its effect on identity and art in the video, Woman of Heart and Mind. In 2000, the Mendel Art Gallery in Sakatoon had a show of her work and also produced a catalogue of the show. See http://www.mendel.ca/exhibitions/jonimitchell/ This should get you going. Enjoy, Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft. SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:11:58 -0500 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: White Sox , other assorted posts and JONI content! Vince, congrats to your Sox. They are the team I will be rooting for now. I believe they will make it to the Series, but I fear the dreaded Cardinals. Beware the red bird, if not the red sox. Oh, and Anne, the reason you see the red 'B' everywhere; all the years they were losers the merchandise sold cheap. KIDDING! You know that folks love an underdog. Boston's story was great, and if you haven't seen the Jimmy Fallon movie, Fever Pitch, you have to! Sort of sums up the whole bean town obsession. I read that the ending was originally penned with the Sox losing, and they had to change things up with the upset victory. Was the 'legalize pot' post written while you were not inhaling??? Speaking of not in-hailing, why is there news being regurgitated regarding Clinton's scandals? Is this smoke screen for our dear Shrubbery and his very low approval ratings of late??? The bullying issue. It is a big one that I dealt with all the time at an elementary level. The bully wants power, you usurp by not reacting. Tell your friend that if you can avoid or ignore these are the best tactics to take. Anytime a reaction is given, you allow the shift of power back to the bully. Easier said than done, though, especially if said bully knows how to push the right buttons. A public thanks to Patrick for the little gift in the mail. I have enjoyed it and appreciate your kindness. There is a movie in post-production on Herbie Hancock's life. Does anyone have any details on this, and if our fair Joan will get a mention? Also, has the Roseanna Arquette documentary "All We Are Saying" been released? Haven't heard any buzz about that, but then again, I don't inhail. Kay Ashley, in concert two nights ago!!! We want the details and we all wish we could have been there!!!! Alison 'whateveryourmarriednameis', when do we get to see some pics? Suze - -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:35:33 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Canada Karen Marie wrote: it would be great if some of you would like to fill me in on what lies in the Canadian spirit, and how traces of this can be found in Joni's art. Hi Karen Marie, I was born in Canada but have spent most of my life in the USA. I visited Canada almost every year until I was in college. Part of why I'm drawn to Joni is her Canadian roots. When I think of Canada, I think of the cold weather and relatively short days which could lead to being depressed or introspective and creative or both. Joni reminds me of the plants in Canada. They are so alive and colorful, so healthy, seemingly celebrating the growth season rather than enduring it as in warmer climates. Joni bursts forth with color and details other people tend to miss. She presents these in a way that cannot be missed... like a flower rising up above the snow covered ground. "Winter beat the pines about, He heard the heater, Cutting in and out, While she dreamed away..." I see her art as similar, one in the same, despite different mediums. She shares experience through both her painting and singing. I see her personal ambiance as giving forth Canada as she draws from her Canadian roots. When she is in Dreamland, far from Canada, she's sings first of Canada. I long for Canada, but I'm rarely able to go there any more. I find Canada in my dreams and can dream better through Joni's art. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:45:37 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Annabelle - A Coat Of Flowers Nuriel writes: > Annabell is my neighbour. When i look thru my window i can see her face reflecting from a hole inside a bush. Her hair is always a mess. Same underware. > She's got lots of drinking friends. They drink all night. But she's alone, swinging between sanity and strange anxiety, sleeps all day, wakes up at night and howles infront of her stereo. But never the same song. Annabell's always in a bad mood. Where is her man? > > So i burned a Joni cd for her, and she's been playing MARCIE so loud you could easily feel that she's "One of those women". Poor and lovely Annabelle. > > So when you go to sleep tonight - say a prayer for them both. I hope you put Sunny Sunday on that cd. mack np: Melissa Manchester- Help is on the Way ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:49:00 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: on drugs, njc Marianne wrote: > I am for decrimialization of all drugs. . > > it is a privacy issue I agree. It really all boils down to whether you can behave yourself, whether you're high or not. Your rights end where another's rights begin. If you're drunk or stoned and hurt someone or break other laws, you go to jail. If you're cooking meth in your trailer and you burn the place down and your kid burns up too, you get to die too. No second chances. But to put people in jail for simply growing/possessing/using whatever ... what a waste of resources. Criminalizing drugs doesn't keep people from abusing them. And there's a difference between "use" and "abuse." Or ... if we're going to continue to have most drugs be illegal, let's also criminalize alcohol and cigarettes, both of which are far more dangerous and addictive than marijuana. Wouldn't that be a hoot? Can't you just imagine all the pissed off people who can't seem to enjoy life without a drink and a cig? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:22:49 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: was White Sox , other assorted posts, now NYC minifest njc In a message dated 10/11/2005 3:15:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, suze_1@lycos.com writes: Kay Ashley, in concert two nights ago!!! We want the details and we all wish we could have been there!!!! I missed her whole set!! I got there just as she was ending....arrrggghhh....!!! I couldn't find a parking spot anywhere and it was raining buckets. Instead all I got was this 95.00 parking ticket! LOL. Kay and her friend (sorry I forget your name) Paz and I had dinner at a sushi restaurant. Patrick wasn't feeling up to it, so he headed home afterwards. I don't do sushi though, so instead I had the beef teriyaki. LOL After much sushi, sake and wine we took a big yellow taxi back to Paz's hotel. He was right across the street from MSG where the U2 concert had just let out. Lots of Bonoholics in the hotel.I'll let Paz comment on the female Bono fans ;~) I was hoping for a Bruce encounter myself :0) We nestled ourselves with a bottle of beer in a room outside the gym, as Paz's friend was fast asleep in the room. Kay & Paz played nice together with her Martin 6 string. I had a great time guys...hope we can do it again real soon. Rosie sick with a cold in Jersey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:17:58 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: on drugs, njc Mar wrote: "I am for decrimialization of all drugs. . it is a privacy issue," Right on baby. mack np: Luther Vandross ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:04:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: post drug legalization scenario science fiction? NJC does anyone know of any book or story about our world when/if all drugs are legalized and suddenly "available"? like you could just walk into a convenience store and tell the clerk "umm, I'll have some mescaline..." or "could I have a 2 finger bag of that Christmas Weed please?" how gritty it could be... just wondering if there is already such a science fiction novel? thx Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:32:41 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: post drug legalization scenario science fiction? NJC Em asked: << does anyone know of any book or story about our world when/if all drugs are legalized and suddenly "available"? like you could just walk into a convenience store and tell the clerk "umm, I'll have some mescaline..." or "could I have a 2 finger bag of that Christmas Weed please?" how gritty it could be... just wondering if there is already such a science fiction novel? >> You could be the one to write it! November is approaching, and November is National Novel Writing Month. I've done it the last two years, although this year is gonna be a bit of a challenge, given what else is going on, and the fact that I have no idea what I'd write about. Still, I'd love to hear of another lister having a go. Check it out at www.nanowrimo.org Azeem in London - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/126 - Release Date: 09/10/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:34:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Dolly's BSN Well, I'm no Dolly fan, but she's been making records a whole lot longer than I've been buying them, so what do I know? At least she has the sense and the popularity to draw some great talent to surround herself with. And of course, by law, she includes a duet with Norah Jones. Here's her take on the franchise, very peppy and some nice instrumental work too. Additional vocals by Judy Collins & Rhonda Vincent, mandolin by Chris Thile of Nickel Creek, he's no Les Irvin, but he's OK. Just try and block out Dolly's "we represent the lullaby league" vocal and you've got a solid track. http://s43.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0YDDVQCKYWORX2YTQO84KA1Z05 Bob NP: The Police, "Tea In The Sahara" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:37:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Ian Shaw's Joni Tribute & other Covers news Thanks Scott - I have her cover of BYT but didn't know about River - I'll check it out. Dang, the Joni covers are falling like Ooblek! Bob NP: Ani, "Paradigm" (Madison, 1-25-04) - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:03:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: RE: post drug legalization scenario science fiction? NJC wow Azeem! wishing you best of luck and lots of great energy! As for me, I'm lacking a clear vision at the moment of what it would be like, And I already sense the "derivative" monster creeping in. So I'll leave it to those with fresher, less oxydized brains. :) have fun! Em - --- Azeem wrote: > Em asked: > > << does anyone know of any book or story about our world when/if all > drugs > are legalized and suddenly "available"? like you could just walk into > a > convenience store and tell the clerk "umm, I'll have some > mescaline..." > or "could I have a 2 finger bag of that Christmas Weed please?" > how gritty it could be... > just wondering if there is already such a science fiction novel? >> > > You could be the one to write it! November is approaching, and > November > is National Novel Writing Month. I've done it the last two years, > although this year is gonna be a bit of a challenge, given what else > is > going on, and the fact that I have no idea what I'd write about. > > Still, I'd love to hear of another lister having a go. Check it out > at > www.nanowrimo.org > > Azeem in London > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/126 - Release Date: > 09/10/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:30:20 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Old Folk: vine open 2 CDs Thanks to Richard Flynn, I have this excellent early folk show to offer to the first person who asks and promises to re-offer it. Sound quality is quite good and it's nice to hear Judy Collins' younger, stronger voice again. Doug - --------------------- Broadside of Boston January 6, 1965. "Judy Collins, Eric Andersen, Dick and Mimi Farina To Do Benefit." The complete article: "A Benefit concert will be presented at Memorial Hall (Sanders Theatre) in Harvard Square on Saturday night, January 16th. Money collected will be used to pay legal fees facing the eleven students under indictment by the State Department for defying the travel ban which has been placed on the visiting of certain countries. The students involved and their supporters demand the freedom to be able to travel anywhere they desire as long as they are allowed to enter by that country. Judy Collins, whose last Boston concert was sold out, Eric Andersen, and Dick and Mimi Farina will be the artists who donate their talent to the cause." Sanders Theater Benefit Concert Harvard Square, Cambridge, MA January 16, 1965 DISC ONE Richard & Mimi Farina 01. Christmas Island 02. The Falcon 03. Tuileries 04. Michael, Andrew and John 05. Good King Jubilee Eric Andersen 06. I'll Write You a Letter on a Dusty Boxcar Wall 07. Come to My Bedside My Darling 08. Freedom Bus 09. Delta Bum 10. Time for My Returning DISC TWO 01. Sad Fate of the Blind Fiddler Judy Collins 02. The Times They Are A-Changin' 03. Maid of Constant Sorrow 04. Roll, Turn, Spin 05. The Mighty Ship the Diamond 06. He Was a Friend of Mine 07. We Don't Mind Eric Andersen 08. My Land Is a Good Land ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:56:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: post drug legalization scenario science fiction? NJC - --- Em wrote: > does anyone know of any book or story about our > world when/if all drugs > are legalized and suddenly "available"? like you > could just walk into a > convenience store and tell the clerk "umm, I'll have > some mescaline..." > or "could I have a 2 finger bag of that Christmas > Weed please?" > how gritty it could be... > just wondering if there is already such a science > fiction novel? > thx > Em I've read a few such books but unfortunately the picture ain't that purty. One is "Brave new world" by Aldous Huxley and the other is "Gun, with Occasional Music" by Jonathan Lethem. In both instances, taking drugs is basically imposed by the government and most of the people walk around like zombies. You should read, "Gun". It is a very odd and disturbing but often very funny book. I've never used drugs (OK, I smoked a joint once, but nothing happened, and I swear I DID inhale), but, I would rather see them legalized than have them being pushed by criminals. At least that way, there would be some kind of standards - you would know what you were getting. And people most likely wouldn't be driven to crime just to get them - hell, your health insurance would probably pay for them! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 01:53:18 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni on dime Greetings, There's a new Joni download on Dime which they say is an upgrade on 2nd Fret Sets. Also I'm the only seed for a C&N duo duo vcd from 1970, which I highly recommend. I'm on almost every day 3-9 pm EST. Laurent Joni Mitchell Posall and the Mosalm Vol.1 75.42 Live at the Second Fret Club Philadelphia 3/17/67 (62.03) 1) Morning Morgantown 3:50 2) Born to take the Highway 4:23 3) Eastern Rain 4:44 4) Circle Game 7:38 5) Song to a Seagull 5:43 6) Carnival in Kenora 3:01 7) Brandy Eyes 3:16 8) Winter Lady 4:32 9) Mr. Blue 3:50 10) Urge for Going 6:44 11) Both Sides Now 4:42 12) Night in the City 4:42 13) Circle Game 4:58 WHAT Studios 3/19/67 (13:39) * 14) Just Like Me (first verse cut off) 2:49 15) Both Sides Now 4:03 16) Eastern Rain 4:17 17 Blue On Blue 2:30 Joni Mitchell Posall and the Mosalm Vol.2 78:06 Live at the Second Fret, Philadelphia 10/12/67 (64:31) 1) Night in the City 3:38 2) Come to the Sunshine 4:06 3) Chelsea Morning 3:12 4) Conversation 5:42 5) I Had A King 6:13 6) Cactus Tree 3:38 7) Little Green 6:52 8) Marcie 6:08 9) London Bridge 5:06 10) Ballerina Valerie 3:24 11) Michael from Mountains 4:47 12) The Drummer Man 3:38 13) I Don't Know Where I stand 4:04 14) Both Sides Now 4:03 WDAS Studios Fall 1968 (13:35) 15) Sisotowbell Lane 5:06 16) The Gallery (a little distortion) 5:14 17) Nathan LaFraneer 3:15 Joni Mitchell Posall and the Mosalm Vol.3 53:43 WHAT Studios 3/12/67 (12:18) 1) Both Sides Now 4:36 2) Night in the City (cuts out) 2:04 3) Circle Game 5:38 Second Fret Club 11/66 ? (30:59) # 4) Brandy Eyes 3:43 5) Urge for Going 5:57 6) Mr. Blue 3:25 7) Eastern Rain 7:45 8) Circle Game 6:42 9) Night in the City 3:27 WHAT Philadelphia Studios 5/28/67 10) Sugar Mountain (bad sound) 4:20 WHAT Studios 11/19/66 (with Chuck Mitchell) (6:06) 11) Circle game (bad sound) 4:37 12) Interview (bad sound) 1:29 * During this Gene Shay interview Gordon Lightfoot was seated across from Joni and can be heard occasionally during this between-song dialog. # In the "11/66 ?" a question mark has been added because in the intro to Circle Game she says: "In Canada, this year is Expo" which refers to Expo67, Canada's 100th birthday in 1967. She probably would not have said that in 1966. [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image002.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 01:16:14 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Re: Carly Simon NJC I must say I was quite disppointed with Carly's latest release of standards `Moonlight Serenade``. Her ``Torch`` was so much more intimate and interesting. From the snippets I heard on Amazon, the music and the voice on Moonlight are flat, bland and lifeless. No edges left. In contrast, I stumbled recently onto Rita Collidges's new disc of jazzy standards, And So is Love, released just this summer. She's Joni's age, and like Joni, her voice has deepened considerably. Her sound is warm and smokey. It beats Carly's bland offering hands down, imho. Hear it here http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0009K8LMK/qid=1129078163/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/102-3008042-4795331?v=glance&s=music Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Scan and help eliminate destructive viruses from your inbound and outbound e-mail and attachments. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:35:17 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: Joni on dime Yes, this is a great collection, excellent sound! It's been circulating in the sharing/trading YahooGroups (snail mail) for a while now. Joni is always popular there. check out: acousticharmonies at yahoogroups dot com Doug Laurent Olszer wrote: >Greetings, > >There's a new Joni download on Dime which they say is an upgrade on 2nd Fret >Sets. Also I'm the only seed for a C&N duo duo vcd from 1970, which I highly >recommend. I'm on almost every day 3-9 pm EST. > >Laurent > >Joni Mitchell >Posall and the Mosalm Vol.1 75.42 > >Live at the Second Fret Club Philadelphia 3/17/67 (62.03) >1) Morning Morgantown 3:50 >2) Born to take the Highway 4:23 >3) Eastern Rain 4:44 >4) Circle Game 7:38 >5) Song to a Seagull 5:43 >6) Carnival in Kenora 3:01 >7) Brandy Eyes 3:16 >8) Winter Lady 4:32 >9) Mr. Blue 3:50 >10) Urge for Going 6:44 >11) Both Sides Now 4:42 >12) Night in the City 4:42 >13) Circle Game 4:58 >WHAT Studios 3/19/67 (13:39) * >14) Just Like Me (first verse cut off) 2:49 >15) Both Sides Now 4:03 >16) Eastern Rain 4:17 >17 Blue On Blue 2:30 > >Joni Mitchell >Posall and the Mosalm Vol.2 78:06 > >Live at the Second Fret, Philadelphia 10/12/67 (64:31) >1) Night in the City 3:38 >2) Come to the Sunshine 4:06 >3) Chelsea Morning 3:12 >4) Conversation 5:42 >5) I Had A King 6:13 >6) Cactus Tree 3:38 >7) Little Green 6:52 >8) Marcie 6:08 >9) London Bridge 5:06 >10) Ballerina Valerie 3:24 >11) Michael from Mountains 4:47 >12) The Drummer Man 3:38 >13) I Don't Know Where I stand 4:04 >14) Both Sides Now 4:03 >WDAS Studios Fall 1968 (13:35) >15) Sisotowbell Lane 5:06 >16) The Gallery (a little distortion) 5:14 >17) Nathan LaFraneer 3:15 > >Joni Mitchell >Posall and the Mosalm Vol.3 53:43 > >WHAT Studios 3/12/67 (12:18) >1) Both Sides Now 4:36 >2) Night in the City (cuts out) 2:04 >3) Circle Game 5:38 >Second Fret Club 11/66 ? (30:59) # >4) Brandy Eyes 3:43 >5) Urge for Going 5:57 >6) Mr. Blue 3:25 >7) Eastern Rain 7:45 >8) Circle Game 6:42 >9) Night in the City 3:27 >WHAT Philadelphia Studios 5/28/67 >10) Sugar Mountain (bad sound) 4:20 >WHAT Studios 11/19/66 (with Chuck Mitchell) (6:06) >11) Circle game (bad sound) 4:37 >12) Interview (bad sound) 1:29 > >* During this Gene Shay interview Gordon Lightfoot was seated across from >Joni and can be heard occasionally during this between-song dialog. ># In the "11/66 ?" a question mark has been added because in the intro to >Circle Game she says: "In Canada, this year is Expo" which refers to Expo67, >Canada's 100th birthday in 1967. She probably would not have said that in >1966. > >[demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] > >[demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image002.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:18:11 +1300 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: post drug legalization scenario science fiction? NJC Catherine wrote: > I've read a few such books but unfortunately the > picture ain't that purty. One is "Brave new world" > by Aldous Huxley and the other is "Gun, with > Occasional Music" by Jonathan Lethem. In both > instances, taking drugs is basically imposed by > the government and most of the people walk around > like zombies. You should read, "Gun". It is a very > odd and disturbing but often very funny book. I'm getting away from the original question about books that deal with a world where all drugs are legal, but this sounds a little similar to "A Perfect Day" by Ira Levin (author of "Rosemary's Baby" and "The Stepford Wives"). Everyone is regularly drugged to remain zombie-like, and the entire human race has been genetically engineered to look the same, with no body hair or distinguishing features (apart from a few individual "mutations"). It's an amazing book - one of my favourites, and a little too close to home in some respects when you think about our desire for conformity, etc. It has a great (and unexpected) ending, too! Hell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:58:08 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: FW: Joni on dime - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:57 PM To: 'Doug' Subject: RE: Joni on dime Let me second Doug's recommendation of both the Posall&Mosalm set--the definitive version of the 2nd frets material. And also let me second his recommendation of acousticharmonies. I belong to it and it offers some great stuff plus conversation from time to time. You can't go wrong with either. Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:35 PM To: Laurent Olszer Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni on dime Yes, this is a great collection, excellent sound! It's been circulating in the sharing/trading YahooGroups (snail mail) for a while now. Joni is always popular there. check out: acousticharmonies at yahoogroups dot com Doug Laurent Olszer wrote: >Greetings, > >There's a new Joni download on Dime which they say is an upgrade on 2nd Fret >Sets. Also I'm the only seed for a C&N duo duo vcd from 1970, which I highly >recommend. I'm on almost every day 3-9 pm EST. > >Laurent > >Joni Mitchell >Posall and the Mosalm Vol.1 75.42 > >Live at the Second Fret Club Philadelphia 3/17/67 (62.03) >1) Morning Morgantown 3:50 >2) Born to take the Highway 4:23 >3) Eastern Rain 4:44 >4) Circle Game 7:38 >5) Song to a Seagull 5:43 >6) Carnival in Kenora 3:01 >7) Brandy Eyes 3:16 >8) Winter Lady 4:32 >9) Mr. Blue 3:50 >10) Urge for Going 6:44 >11) Both Sides Now 4:42 >12) Night in the City 4:42 >13) Circle Game 4:58 >WHAT Studios 3/19/67 (13:39) * >14) Just Like Me (first verse cut off) 2:49 >15) Both Sides Now 4:03 >16) Eastern Rain 4:17 >17 Blue On Blue 2:30 > >Joni Mitchell >Posall and the Mosalm Vol.2 78:06 > >Live at the Second Fret, Philadelphia 10/12/67 (64:31) >1) Night in the City 3:38 >2) Come to the Sunshine 4:06 >3) Chelsea Morning 3:12 >4) Conversation 5:42 >5) I Had A King 6:13 >6) Cactus Tree 3:38 >7) Little Green 6:52 >8) Marcie 6:08 >9) London Bridge 5:06 >10) Ballerina Valerie 3:24 >11) Michael from Mountains 4:47 >12) The Drummer Man 3:38 >13) I Don't Know Where I stand 4:04 >14) Both Sides Now 4:03 >WDAS Studios Fall 1968 (13:35) >15) Sisotowbell Lane 5:06 >16) The Gallery (a little distortion) 5:14 >17) Nathan LaFraneer 3:15 > >Joni Mitchell >Posall and the Mosalm Vol.3 53:43 > >WHAT Studios 3/12/67 (12:18) >1) Both Sides Now 4:36 >2) Night in the City (cuts out) 2:04 >3) Circle Game 5:38 >Second Fret Club 11/66 ? (30:59) # >4) Brandy Eyes 3:43 >5) Urge for Going 5:57 >6) Mr. Blue 3:25 >7) Eastern Rain 7:45 >8) Circle Game 6:42 >9) Night in the City 3:27 >WHAT Philadelphia Studios 5/28/67 >10) Sugar Mountain (bad sound) 4:20 >WHAT Studios 11/19/66 (with Chuck Mitchell) (6:06) >11) Circle game (bad sound) 4:37 >12) Interview (bad sound) 1:29 > >* During this Gene Shay interview Gordon Lightfoot was seated across from >Joni and can be heard occasionally during this between-song dialog. ># In the "11/66 ?" a question mark has been added because in the intro to >Circle Game she says: "In Canada, this year is Expo" which refers to Expo67, >Canada's 100th birthday in 1967. She probably would not have said that in >1966. > >[demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] > >[demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image002.jpg] ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #388 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)