From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #384 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, October 9 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 384 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Oh Garret Being burgled is not on! NJC [Lucy Hone ] re: Ashara's house concert njc [mags h ] Re: Oh Garret Being burgled is not on! NJC [Garret ] break in, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: emmylou harris et al..[njc] [Richard Goldman ] open letter [Oddmund Kaarevik ] Re: emmylou harris et al..[njc] ["Mark Scott" ] Re: break in, njc ["ron" ] RE: break in, njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: emmylou harris et al..[njc] [Richard Goldman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 12:14:49 +0100 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Oh Garret Being burgled is not on! NJC Hi there plum magnet type person.. What a horrible thing to happen to you..and many hugs for you. I am so sorry that you have had these thieving eejits visit on you. When I was burgled in 1988 I can only assume that I scared them off, but had no idea I had had them in the house. I was hassled by the cat, she would not leave me alone and was begging for attention so I walked (naked) downstairs, fed the cat, let her out, had a glass of water, let her in, fussed with her and tried to "stay feeling Sleepy" turned off the light in the lounge as it was, for "some reason" on...although I thought I had turned it off, went back up stairs and only realised we had been "done" when I came back down in the morning to find the LPs had been sorted through, the TV and video were missing, my handbag had gone, there was a load of stuff wrapped up in one of the table cloths sitting on the back lawn and the desk was open and bank stuff strewn all over the place.... I can only imagine they must have fled in fear and trembling having seen me stark naked....... not the best of views at any time, but worse as I was about eight and a half months pregnant when this happened..... I can only imagine that is one burglary they talk about as "the night the whale walked downstairs" Sadly, in the UK and elsewhere, 90% of burglary is to feed drug use. The people who deal in these nightmare substances ruin the lives of those who use regularly and put them on paths they cannot easily walk away from. I never used to include weed in this category and have on and off enjoyed the odd puff on an occasional, social, basis. Sadly those whose momentum in life gets hooked onto "even" weed find the need to find more money than they thought in order to maintain the buzz. My friends' son (18) has just been released from a psychiatric wing having gone from "boy doing well" to "boy in total mental hell" by getting into habitual use of skunk weed. He developed full cannabis induced psychosis and totally lost the plot.. It is not over for him as he is still in the same situation socially and his friends all use.. the pressure is on and its hard for his parents to persuade him to not hang around with this crowd as he has known them all for years..... Drugs.........Bah.........what wreckage there is to be found around them......... Anyway, Garret, I am really sorry you have had to experience this and I hope that you have good insurance. We may be thinking of doing a Dublin visit at some point soon... we would love to meet up with you if we do... Love and hugs to you sweetie Lucy, Frank, Sam and Liz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 07:49:38 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #381 In a message dated 07/10/2005 08:08:48 GMT Standard Time, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org writes: > NP: Stryngs, "The Priest" (something is not working right with the > yousendit, so if you want to hear this extraordinary track, lemme know and I'll send > it individually. > > Hi Bob, I've tried the link but no success. Please send when you have a chance. The covers cd arrived this morning so multitudinous thanks. I haven't had a chance to listen yet though. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 14:16:38 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: re: emmylou harris - wrecking ball rough mixes & out takes NJC >>some different takes & songs that never made it:<< Thanks for this ron, great stuff... mike in bcn np Elvis Costello - Walking on Thin Ice ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 08:28:20 -0400 From: Patti Witten Subject: Re: travel to Canada from U.S. (njc) > I don't think you need a passport to enter Canada from the U.S. Doug, that may be so but you definitely need it to get back in the US! Many musicians traveling back and forth report that Us citizens need their passports and need to be mindful that "homeland security" means stricter enforcement at the borders. Cheers, Patti - -- http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 14:27:31 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: bono flexible NJC Hello everyone, You may all remember the question about what people 'sound like' on this list and how they really sound when you meet them in 'real life' (as if the list was any less real); well it occurred to me recently in the wake of that thread that I could move on step beyond speculation and arrive at communication. The thing is that I have a deal with my telephone company here which allows me to call Europe and north America for 7.5 hours a month for a very reasonable price, but I never reach, much less exceed this amount of time so I have around 3 or 4 hours each month to call people in these areas at no extra cost. If anyone is interested in accepting a call from me at any time (it would have to be after 8 p.m. my time or any time over the weekend),please contact me off list. Looking forward to hearing from youse, mike in barcelona. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:05:05 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: re: Ashara's house concert njc Wonderful thing to do, I love the notion of house concerts, Ashara (so nice to see you post to the "big list btw"). Keep us informed as to the progress of your plans. Have you printed up tickets? Are you advertising word of mouth/email? Did the musician set a fee and you have to match that? Are you providing food? What about chairs? How long will the show go on? What time will it start? Sets? how many? I'm asking all these questions because I'm having a house concert here on November 5th. If anyone is in the area, contact me off list.. there's lots of room...my housemates are thrilled to the bone that Im bringing music in. (hey, wait until a mini joni fest happens ;-) they havent seen anything yet ;-) D&D say bring it on.. alas, I digress........... Mark Reeves is the guest artist...he's a friend and a wonderful musician. The link to his CD which I posted does not represent Mark as well as I would like, so y'all have to come on out and hear for yourself ;-)) Mark's a kickin' blues player with tonnes of wonderfu prairie energy. He recently fulfilled a child's wish through the CHildren's Wish Foundation. He performed at a wedding last weekend in Ontario; he's a sweet man. He will also be performing in Australia on New Year's Eve..so any of you Oz lovelies might consider giving Mark some support. www.markreeves.com Mags, wondering how Neil Young and Joni Mitchell would sound in my great big ol' living room? ;-)) npimh from rehearsals last night : I am, sung by Richard Shindell.... www.markreeves.com www.jeremyproctor.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:54:39 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Oh Garret Being burgled is not on! NJC What an awful experience Lucy (the break in when you were pregnant). I think you hit hte nail on the head. The Gardai said the same thing: it was probably a guy on his own looking for quick drug money. He broke into seven houses, four on this road. Ours is a quiet, farily safe neighbourhood filled with elderly people. It must be particularly frightening for them. The outcome of all this, however, has been positive. A strong sense of community has grown out of this. I have had neighbours knocking in to see if we are ok and if they can do anything for us. I have never met these people before, as i moved in here literally the week after the Jonifest. What you say about cananbis is interesting to me too Lucy. synchronous. I have had the conversation with a friend of Dermot's many times: that hash is, or can be, a "gateway drug". She disagrees with me entirely, but I'm with you Lucy. Many people develop tolerance to the effects of cannabis, and therefore need more to bring about the effects they experienced quite easily previously. This, in my opinion, can prompt people to try other substances as they search for cheaper and quicker ways to achieve what is, let's admit it, a fairly pleasurable experience. Furthermore, groups in which cnnanbis use is regular are more likely to encounter (and approve of) other drugs than those in groups in which cannabis use is frowned upon or just not the norm. I know these are subjective statements, but i've seen this again and again since i was sixteen (I'm almost 25). I've also watched my brother get into a lot of trouble this way. Now that's not something i'll go into in a public forum, but trust me, it nearly tore our family apart. There is also a standard line of arguement that claims that cannabis dependence does not exist ( "people do not become addicted to it - even scientific research supports this"), and if it does the effects are transient and not severe. I disagree with this completley. Not only does cannabis withdrawal affect a lot of heavy users, they become preoccupied with getting their hands on more, they use it daily, almost compulsively, and, even after giving up, they tend to say things like "i'd love a joint" and then it's quiet common to "relapse". Sounds like dependence to me. This is particularly the case in multidrug users. People tend not to believe that cannabis psychosis exists. Cannabis is a drug with possible hallucinogenic properties (probably more accurate to say sensory distortions and mild hallucinations) and can be particularly damaging for people with predisposed anxiety problems, personality disorders, and schizophrenia. I'm not saying i've never enjoyed a puff, and not saying i never will again, but i do think that people need to be aware of what they are getting involved in. I hope things work out for the young man you wrote about. And i would love if you came to Dublin! Keep me posted on any decisions:-) GARRET NP- Joni, Hejira, 23/9/94 Quoting Lucy Hone : > > Sadly, in the UK and elsewhere, 90% of burglary is to feed drug use. The > people who deal in these nightmare substances ruin the lives of those > who use regularly and put them on paths they cannot easily walk away > from. I never used to include weed in this category and have on and off > enjoyed the odd puff on an occasional, social, basis. Sadly those whose > momentum in life gets hooked onto "even" weed find the need to find more > money than they thought in order to maintain the buzz. > > My friends' son (18) has just been released from a psychiatric wing > having gone from "boy doing well" to "boy in total mental hell" by > getting into habitual use of skunk weed. He developed full cannabis > induced psychosis and totally lost the plot.. > > It is not over for him as he is still in the same situation socially and > his friends all use.. the pressure is on and its hard for his parents to > persuade him to not hang around with this crowd as he has known them all > for years..... Drugs.........Bah.........what wreckage there is to be > found around them......... > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 11:19:47 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: break in, njc This is a serious question. If someone breaks into your house, are you allowed to shoot them? Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:43:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Break In njc - - --- Garret wrote: >The house i'm living in was broken into last night >while we were all in bed. Rachel woke me at 7a.m. to tell me what had >happened. She had heard something >about 5.30 but had assumed it was the neighbours >being noisy. > Yuck. Sorry to hear you were broken into. It happened to me once, but no one was in the house at the time, and I think it would be scarier if you were there when they broke in. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:26:41 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: emmylou harris et al..[njc] Emmylou appears on the new upcoming "The McGarrigle Sisters Chrismas Hour" CD, due out 10/25/05, along with, of course Kate & Anna, Rufus & Martha Wainwright, Anna's daughter Lily Lankin, Chaim Tannenbaum, and Vinne Dow and Beth Orton. Emmylou has the entire track 3 to herself, "O Little Town of Bethlehem", as well as appearing on other tracks. It's quite delightful, I have an advance copy. ~Richard From: "ron" Subject: emmylou harris - wrecking ball rough mixes & out takes NJC hi some different takes & songs that never nade it: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mnemon/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:40:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: break in, njc - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > This is a serious question. > > If someone breaks into your house, are you allowed > to shoot them? > I guess if you live in Florida, you are. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:12:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: open letter dear joni mitchell. i wanna thank you for making such great music. so massive texts. your art will go on and on. i'm sure. your music is whatever gets me through the day, it is' really. :-) And i want to thank for that. "Thank you, Joni, India, Canada, , etc " You Are Undoubtedly Queen Of Mind Beauty ( I have to buy a stickers from Patti, I love that black one)and you know i dream paprika plains now. although i've never seen them, you make me see them. they're here now, inside my head. and the lake and the river, and you skating away on it like a black crow. or hissing my summer lawns, oh Sharon, Oh Joni, Oh Canada. I don't know what I would do if I was forced to quit listening to your life-giving music, what kind of substitute would keep me alive, i really don't know. But I have your music,(and other mad people like me right here on the jmdl) We come for conversation, you know. Wonder what you think about us maniacs devoting ourselves to your texts, your voice, your music. You probably laugh about it all. And you know we laugh too. We smile. We dance. We sing, because you made us all come in from the cold, into your very warm arrangments. . . And that is so inspiring, so precious to me. Patti Smith said in an interview, that she was very depressed in her youth and wanted to die. But she couldn't die untill she heard the next 'stones album. And I can't die because your music gives me so much life, inspiration, joy. Not that I want to die, but if I wanted, I still haven't listened much to "Taming the tiger" or "Song to a seagull" , and "Don Juans reckless daughter" or "Clouds" or your early unreleased songs;So, I have to live! You makes me wanna live. To love. To play pinn-ball. And I am ever so grateful. Thank you! Your sharp observaton and very insightsful texts is something very seldom found in the pop-industry. Through the years I have observed that musicians in all music genres admire you and your work, and point to you when they're asked for people who have inspired and influenced them. And I know that you, our lady of duality, not always appreciate to be set togethet with these other artists, and that's okay. But we love you, we really do! And I'm warm now. I have come in from the cold. You made my day, once more My candles are burning here in the room My candle burns at both ends It will not last the night; But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends - It gives a lovely light. Edna St. Vincent Millay, "A Few Figs from Thistles", 1920 US poet (1892 - 1950) NP: Songs of a prairie girl Much Joni! Much love! Oddmund in Oslo, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 10:24:31 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: emmylou harris et al..[njc] - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Goldman" > Emmylou has the entire track 3 to herself, "O Little Town of Bethlehem", > as > well as appearing on other tracks. Is this a brand new version of 'O Little Town of Bethlehem'? The reason I ask is that Emmylou recorded that carol on her 'Light of the Stable' Christmas record back in the 70s. This sounds like it would be a nice holiday cd to have. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:26:00 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: break in, njc hi >>>>Marianne wrote: >> This is a serious question. If someone breaks into your house, are you >> allowed to shoot them? >>>>>catherine replied >>>>> I guess if you live in Florida, you are. & i say catch-22 rears its ugly head again youre allowed to shoot them if you feel threatened. if, however, you have a gun in your hand you obviously wouldnt feel threatened & therefor cant shoot ron np - emmylou harris & mark knopfler - all the road running ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 14:42:05 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: break in, njc I know that in the state of Ohio...at least ten years ago or so...IF the intruder was ALL the way in the house...not one foot in the door or was even half way out the door with your safe....then one would be justified in shooting the person. IS this reasonable? Yes..when you look at it that if one would want to kill..let's say his wife or a wife her husband ..it would make it a lot easier to say to the police ...I thought he was a burglar. I was in fear of my life..so I shot him. I didn't know it was my husband...I couldn't see him clearly enough. But a lot harder to pull this off if the intruder was ALL the way in the door where one could see more clearly who had just entered. Bree >If someone breaks into your house, are you allowed to shoot them? > > > > >Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:43:21 -0400 (EDT) >From: Catherine McKay >Subject: Re: Break In njc > >- --- Garret wrote: > >>The house i'm living in was broken into last night >>while we were all in bed. Rachel woke me at 7a.m. to tell me what had >>happened. She had heard something >>about 5.30 but had assumed it was the neighbours >>being noisy. >> > >Yuck. Sorry to hear you were broken into. It happened >to me once, but no one was in the house at the time, >and I think it would be scarier if you were there when >they broke in. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. >Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:44:04 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: emmylou harris et al..[njc] No, I believe that this is a newly recorded version of "O Little Town of Bethlehem", with only Emmylou herself singing. The Light Of the Stable album track of the same name, has Linda Ronstadt and Dollie Parton on it. Those two do not appear on the McGarrigle Christmas Hour cd. ~Richard On 10/8/05, Mark Scott wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Goldman" > > Emmylou has the entire track 3 to herself, "O Little Town of Bethlehem", > > as > > well as appearing on other tracks. > > Is this a brand new version of 'O Little Town of Bethlehem'? The reason I > ask is that Emmylou recorded that carol on her 'Light of the Stable' > Christmas record back in the 70s. This sounds like it would be a nice > holiday cd to have. > > Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 23:41:52 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Mendel Gallery to merge w/ Canadian Joni Centre This just in. Finally her own gallery, too? How wonderful! - -Julius _____ Mendel on the move?: Art gallery asked to consider possible River Landing home Lana Haight The StarPhoenix Saturday, October 08, 2005 Saskatoon's River Landing cultural centre, approved in principle by city council just last month, could already be getting a makeover. The Mendel Art Gallery has been approached about abandoning its $18-million expansion and moving to the proposed centre, says a report to city councillors. "The Mendel board has indicated an interest in this option and we will proceed to do a full evaluation," said the report, written by city manager Phil Richards. It will be received by councillors when they meet as an executive committee on Tuesday. The $31.3-million River Landing project, which is to house Joni Mitchell, Meewasin Valley Authority (MVA) and Tourism Saskatoon visitor centres as well as Persephone Theatre, was panned by several councillors at their Sept. 19 meeting. After much debate, the draft footprint, uses and design of the centre that would sit on the site of the former Gathercole building, at the corner of 19th Street and Third Avenue, received council's approval in principle. Now, councillors are being told the plan may be amended, with the Mendel with an expanded Joni Mitchell centre replacing the MVA visitor centre. The MVA could then move into the vacated Mendel, according to the report. The alternate proposal could also incorporate an aboriginal theme in what's being billed as a destination complex. "There was a number of suggestions made at city council and elsewhere that perhaps we should do more in light of the fact that we never received any offi cial applications or responses to our (expressions of interest) that pertain to an aboriginal destination complex or theme, that perhaps we should pursue one instead," Chris Dekker, manager of special projects with the City of Saskatoon, said in an interview. The possible changes are mentioned in a report that informs council that a Vancouver-based tourism consultant has been hired to examine the feasibility of the River Landing complex. The feasibility study, which will cost between $15,000 and $20,000, has always been planned for this stage of the project, says Dekker. While some may see this latest news as another setback in the development of the riverbank after decades of talk, Dekker believes city administrators are being prudent in investigating all options before a fi nal decision is made by council. "We're very much testing the original proposal. We're not just saying, 'Oh, forget that. Let's go with the Mendel idea.' "But I would think that most people would agree that if there are any other things you want to take a look at, that you should engage those services while (the consultant) is in the fi eld," he said. No one from the Mendel, the MVA or Wanuskewin Heritage Centre would comment on the report. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:46:50 -1000 From: Subject: hey lori (njc) are you the one who had that auto ad with the misty ghost? last october around halloween that stunned all who would watch??? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #384 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)