From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #382 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, October 7 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 382 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- travel to Canada from US, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: travel to Canada from US, njc [Deb Messling ] article on No Direction Home njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Dylan as Hero [was Ebert on Dylan film] NJC / hero myth [Em ] Metheny and Bowie NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: The Priest by Stryngs [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Here's The News/MiniFest Anyone??? LONG!!!!.... sorry [rosemjoy@aol.c] Re: travel to Canada from U.S. [Doug ] Re: Here's The News/MiniFest Anyone??? LONG!!!!.... sorry ["Sherelle Smit] Always amazed to hear of another longtime Joni fan's history [Les Irvin <] Re: a longish first post, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Dylan as Hero (some Joni now) [Debra Shea ] Re: Dylan as Hero NJC / hero myth [Debra Shea ] Break In njc [Garret ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 06:54:24 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: travel to Canada from US, njc Hi Deb, We travel from Rochester to Niagra Falls, Canada sometimes. Right now, you don't need a passport. But you should bring a birth certicicate. . and a licence, if possible. Our school went a field tip last year to Canada and one student could not get BACK into the US with out her birth certificate. I think it is fairly easy to get into Canada. It is just a little harder re-entering the US. The senators of NY are trying to nix the proposed need for passports. I hope we can avoid that extra expense. It will have a negative impact on tourism. Marianne From: Deb Messling >Does a US citizen need a passport to enter Canada as a visitor? I have >conflicting information. _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 07:31:54 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: travel to Canada from US, njc Thanks, everybody, for your info. I really have no idea where we're going ; husband is being very cagey. But given my age, it will be someplace with early-bird specials and shuffleboard, no doubt. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:14:02 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: article on No Direction Home njc I tried emailing this article, but it didn't work, smoe maybe blocked it? A good read. Article by Meagan Brothers for the Upstage Magazine....this is a great magazine btw...and it's free! _www.upstagemagazine.com_ (http://www.upstagemagazine.com) Upstage Magazine is a monthly arts & culture publication covering Central New Jersey. Each issue contains news, features, interviews and event listings for art, music, theatre, film, poetry, comedy, literature and more. Upstage is distributed in art-related towns like New Brunswick, Princeton, Trenton, Asbury Park, Red Bank and Long Branch. You can pick up free copies of Upstage in libraries, music stores, restaurants, clubs, bars, select retail stores, coffeehouses, and from our own outdoor newspaper boxes located on busy street corners. ________________________________________________________________________ I donbt care if you think Bob Dylan stinks. Maybe you think his voice sounds like a broken car horn and he canbt play guitar worth a darn. Maybe you think he lost it in b66, or b72, or he never had it to begin with. Frankly, I donbt give a flying ratbs honk what you think. I defy you not to be overwhelmed, just four minutes into Martin Scorsesebs No Direction Home, with the pure transformative magic of Rock and Roll that turned Bobby Zimmerman, chubby kid from the frozen North Country, into Bob Dylan, humdinger folksinger, king hipster, zeitgeist-crasher, man of mystery, elliptical folk bard of 20th Century Pop. Ibd love to be the voice of Objective Journalistic Reason that quits heaping praise on the poor guybs curly head, but, aside from being the person who made everybody from Pops Staples to Patti Smith try and elevate pop songs into poetry, Bob Dylan is the guy who makes us goofy, chubby juveniles with too many records and guitar calluses believe that someday we, too, might jack in to that electric superconsciousness and light up. My only nit to pick about the movie itself is that, by only covering the life of Bob Dylan up until 1966, No Direction Home perpetuates the misguided notion that Dylanbs entire post-Blonde on Blonde output is extraneous, disposable, somehow not as worthy of examination as his kooked-out methamphetamine trips of the late 60s or his early Guthrie homages. I donbt buy it, and you shouldnbt, either. Any history that tosses out Nashville Skyline, Blood on the Tracks, the Rolling Thunder Revue, Dylanbs conversion to Christianity, his work with Daniel Lanois, and fails to provide a credible explanation for that jacket on the cover of Empire Burlesque, is just a third of the story. Plus, I was really looking forward to some lost footage of Ramblinb Jack on the pilgrim boat from Renaldo and Clara. Herebs hoping for a sequel! That said, the era that Scorsese does choose to focus on b Dylanbs Hibbing, Minnesota upbringing in the 50s through his branding as bJudasb during a concert in 1966 b is brought to life with magnificent, startling clarity. Even if you are only a casual Dylan fan, the film is worth seeing just for its vivid presentation of the paranoia and excitement of American Youth in the Mid 20th Century. Itbs not just Dylanbs story, but the story of the Atomic Age, the folksingers, the beat poets, the Village, hitchhiking, poetry b a simpler, dying age, pre-internet, pre-iPod, presented here in its stark, primitive beauty. It puts Dylan in context, a good place to begin. Hardcore fans wonbt be bored, either - interviews with the likes of Dave Van Ronk, Allen Ginsberg, and the mysterious Suze Rotolo (the girl on the cover of Freewheelinb) will flip your lid. (Whobs got the filthiest mouth in the whole thing? Joan Baez, God bless her. Probably the first woman to say an uncensored f*** on PBS.) If you missed it on TV, you may be asking yourself, should I bother to buy the DVD b is it really worth it? Unequivocally, yes. Itbs an illuminating film about a man who typically goes to great lengths to obfuscate himself and his motives. Itbs Dylan, straight up, by Scorsese b one master of his craft brought to you by another. The actual film itself is a marvel of restored archival footage and assembly, and editor David Tedeschi will probably pick up some well-deserved awards from somebody, if therebs any justice left in Movieland anymore. (I heard a bad rumor there ainbtb&but thatbs another story.) So you dig Marty, but how does Dylan relate to you? Well, if youbre reading this magazine, you either listen to a struggling musician or are one. And by struggling, I donbt mean poor. I donbt care if youbre Bruce Springsteen or Tony Tedesco; anybody who tries to put poetry to music is struggling. Struggling to make a living telling stories, struggling to get to the heart of the matter in three minutes and three chords. The good news about Dylan, the most inspiring thing, is that, as monolithic as he is, hebs struggling too. No Direction Home is his struggle to become Bob Dylan, to keep becoming, keep creating, keep pushing, hiding, revealing, synthesizing, obfuscating, building walls only to tear them down again. If you care anything at all about art, music, or poetry from the 20th century, go immerse yourself in No Direction Home and donbt look back. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 05:23:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Dylan as Hero [was Ebert on Dylan film] NJC / hero myth Hi Mark, well you could say that after a certain point Woody didn't need to be that way either, and Kerouac certainly didn't. I guess Bob had "scuffling days" - like so many people in the 50's - -60's. A (relatively) short burst of self-imposed poverty once he left Hibbing. Don't forget, Woody was a performer too, and after a certain point was not dirt poor either. Anyway, as for "Desolation Row" I think all you need to see that "vision" is do some drugzzzz and read a bunch of Burroughs. Its an illustration of that, to me. But, I want to qualify it and say that's just "to me". Others see different through their eyes. Like, through YOUR eyes maybe you saw and detected something fake. One more thought, and again this is just me - *it doesn't have to mean anything*! I find that so freeing! again, just an opinion and my impression..not claiming its any kind of "truth" or absolute. Don't know how others feel. Also, one more thought, and there's a good chance I'm somewhat off-base here, but I'm thinking the urban homelessness of today is somehow different from the 1930's depression homelessness. Different factors creating it. NOT saying its *completely* different, cuz I know someone if fixing to jump up and say "Em pull your head out of your ass, poverty is poverty is poverty!". But I think it's different in some ways. Or? anyway, my conversational tone here is definately just rapping/jamming/talking, I have no point to make or anything. Just gently volleying the ball back and forth. Not trying to say I'm "right" about anything. Altho, I'm tempted to quote "One Too Many Mornings" and say "you are right from your side and I am right from mine, and we're both one too many mornings, and a thousand miles behind". :) Em - --- Mark Scott wrote: ...snip.... > and I wondered, 'What the hell > does > Bob Dylan know about being down and out? Or on the the street? Or > being > the drifter that Woody Guthrie was?' > > Correct me if I'm wrong. He came from a middle class family in > Hibbing > Minnesota. Went to NYC where he knocked around the coffee > house/Greenwich > Village scene for awhile. Sure, he slept on people's couches and > probably > didn't get regular meals but I never got the idea that he was like > one of > the homeless people I see on the streets of Seattle. I got the > feeling that > nobody ever went hungry or without a roof to sleep under in that > community. > He hooked up with Joan Baez, toured with her, lived with her in > California > for a brief period of time, eventually got a record deal with > Columbia, > ditched Joan, threw off the whole image of political activist folk > singer, > started recording and singing his own songs his own way and became a > media > superstar. Where's the gritty, drifter, scratching in the dirt, down > and > out, business come from?? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:32:47 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: RIP Harold Leventhal njc He passed on Tuesday _http://www.woodyguthrie.org/harold.htm_ (http://www.woodyguthrie.org/harold.htm) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:22:44 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: (NJC) House Concert at Ashara's Hi Everyone! It's been a long time since I've posted. I am going to host a house concert at my home in the Boston area on October 28th. Lynn Skinner, a vocalist from Denver, CO will be singing Joni covers as well as much more. She will be accompanied on piano by Bob Schlesinger. Les Irvin has heard her sing as well as some others on the list. I hope lots of you in the area will be able to make it! Please contact me for more information. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:33:29 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Here's The News/MiniFest Anyone??? LONG!!!!.... sorry Dear Paz, I pray right now that I can stay focused on the work at hand that is still needed in New Orleans! Please keep us ever mindful my firend. There is still so much yet to be done! Oh! Your idea for a mini Joni-fest sounds so good!!!! I think the best part is when everyone sits around in a circle with instruments of all kinds and we just jam! It's so real and so pure! Ah! Someone told me this past week that music is food for the soul! How true! You are probably back from NY by now and I hope you had a great time Paz!!! Yes it's time for something new and different for you! I know you can do it! I wish so much happiness and prosperity for you. Hold your head up high. New Orleans will rise again bigger and better than ever! i saved your website about helping musicians with instruments. Now that I am free again, it's time to roll up my sleeves!!! Keep us in the loop with the goings on there Paz! Don't let us forget!!! Love, Sherelle I have left off the (NJC) tag on this one post as to not miss anyone important or from the INNER CIRCLE!! Here's the news! Sorry I have not written anything for a few days but it has truly been more overwhelming in the last week than the whole deal. I went into town a few days ago when they opened the city up to some of the residents from small areas Not affected. It is truly beyond words. I went thru my old stomping grounds from high school and college days and went from total devastation to barely touched with a bit of wind damage. Obviously it was the water that did the most damage and continues as people are not allowed back to save whatever tidbit they might find. I went to Kevin's house first (my drummer friend who is big Joni supporter who went to on my first JMDL encounter in San Jose for the Dylan/Morrison/Mitchell tour, also played Pazfest, as well as at Atty May's with Rockin' Jake for Jonifest, but I digress) His house was only water damaged after Katrina, but then that fecking bitch Rita blew out the 2nd floor window to his daughters room on the front of the house. When I went by I noticed it and decided to be really butch and get out the power tools and go board up the house. Any of you who really know me, know that I am the last person you want to get on a ladder with power tools anywhere near your house. But I fecking did it with the help of Brian Stoltz who was right up the ladder with me and on the roof which was falling down as well and we patched him up. I went inside and found that the roof also broke in and the mold had taken over the little girls room, but next door in the little boys room it was untouched. Kev and Lori's room was ok too, but then I went downstairs. OMFG! fire must be a better cause it just toasts everything. He must have had close to 2 feet of water in places. Mold was growing up the walls like the plague. His amazing album collection (or the ones on the floor) history, along with tons of cds. Feck the furniture which is useless. Then I saw his vintage Rogers Drum Kit (you can check it out in the Movie Ray or Make It Funky both of which I worked on). And his DW kit. Someone must have come in the house (maybe the National guard or police God Bless them all) and knocked them over and they obviously sat in water for days. So sad and it's just stuff, but you know. From there we went to the Funky Meters storage facility. All of Brian's amps and vintage pedals, George Porter, Jr.'s Bass amps and PA system, Russell Batiste's drums, and Art Neville's chopped B-3 and Leslie destroyed in about 4' of water. Blessedly Brian's Strat and Tele were on top of George's SVT rig and escaped the wrath. Being freaks we decided that was not enough tragedy for one day we drove thru most of city that is now dry, but covered in a dust that is beyond description. The wet areas we stayed away from (9th ward and St. Bernard Parish). We went uptown which has places that look like a bomb went off there. The hospital where my children were born looks like it might me in Iraq (it was on the news where a lot of heroes saved a lot of lives but people died from the circumstances). We went past Art Neville's house that was not damaged at all by the storm winds or water. But the looters went in and took everything that was not nailed down. The piano was still there so they must have had weak backs. We went up Elysian Fields which goes from the river behind the French Quarter to the Lake and the devastation there is widespread. The old lakefront restaurants are some toothpick looking pilings along about 3 city blocks which use to be several amazing seafood restaurants. The French Quarter and downtown are fine. They will be ready for Southern Decadence and other deviants to come back as ASAP. And top think that is why god did all this in the first place and it was virtually unscathed. I should have never taken that ride. It has robbed some of the optimism that I thought I had. I do not know how we can recover from this. Everyday it looks more and more like we might have to bail and swim for our lives. Sorry! Anyways enough of the bad news. THE REALLY GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am going to go to NYC on Thursday arriving around 5pm (as long as the freebe green ticket non rev pass works on Southwest) into Long Island airport (which sounds scary). I am coming with my friend Juan to attend the AES show there and try and network and find a new gig. Juan is the hero from my post the other day that did the interview with NPR and saved a bunch of folks. We have been helping a lot of musicians with new instruments and stuff to be able to get back to work, thanks to so many people donating their money and instruments, etc. Especially thanks to people from this list who have sent stuff in THANKS SO MUCH! Anyways that takes up my days of but my nights THURSDAY> FRIDAY> SATURDAY> SUNDAY>>>> I have NO plans other than a deep desire to see any and all of you at someone's house bar a park a IHOP a Denny's and have a mini fest. Just us. Some guitars and other implements of music and friendship and lets shake it out. I need to be with some people that get it and people that I love and I would love just to go to a RESTAURANT and eat. Yea I remember those. SUSHI OH OH OH Thai. Lets go see a New Orleans band, any band. Let's go see Lynn Skinner ( I LOVE HER!!! oh I know that is later in the month)! How about KAY ASHLEY!!!! David Lahm anyone! Patrick Leader could entertain us in a pinch, but only if you like Todd and Bette and Joni and you know all those artsy fartsy types. How about Rosalita from Jersey or Nikki from Philly or Brian from Jersey????? Ashara, Chuck, Smurph from Boston I know I am wishing for a lot. OK OK Jody and Scott. Ok everyone anywhere near the eastern seaboard! Anyways sorry for the long diatribe and the run on sentences and incomplete thoughts, misspppppppelllings, etc. but my head is about to explode and I got up at 5am (which is my new time to get up fro some reason) and it has been a hell of a day. And I have only told you about 5 days ago and what I am hoping for day after tomorrow. A BIG BIG SHOUT out to my friend Simon who sent me a care package that I got last night and enjoyed a lot today despite my current hysteria (did I mention I have a rash??? Oh yea we talked about Bush already) Anyways if you like in the NYC area and I have your number I will be calling you tomorrow and if you don't hear from me then call me cause I am gunning for ya. Love ya Paz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:02:46 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: The Priest by Stryngs Hi Bob, I tried to get it but it said it was unavailable! I have never heard Stryngs before and I would really love to! Let me know if anyone gets through!!! Love, Sherelle I must have done something wrong with the cut and paste of the link, as several folks said that it wasn't working. Sorry about that - trying again. Somebody please let me know if this one works OK: Regular link (for all web browsers): http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1CTGI7I0T5SX90HR7CF3P9C03N Bob NP: XTC, "1000 Umbrellas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:07:48 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Metheny and Bowie NJC Whoa Mike! I didn't know they recorded anything together recently! I would love to hear it! Sherelle Does anyone know how Pat Metheny came to record 'This is not America' with David Bowie? mike in bcn np - dead can dance 'Tell me about the Forest' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:24:59 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: The Priest by Stryngs I get a File Unavailable message. Jerry > Hi Bob, > > I tried to get it but it said it was unavailable! I have never heard Stryngs > before and I would really love to! Let me know if anyone gets through!!! > > Love, > Sherelle > > I must have done something wrong with the cut and paste of the link, as > several > folks said that it wasn't working. Sorry about that - trying again. > > Somebody please let me know if this one works OK: > > Regular link (for all web browsers): > http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1CTGI7I0T5SX90HR7CF3P9C03N > > Bob > > NP: XTC, "1000 Umbrellas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 11:12:45 -0400 From: rosemjoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Here's The News/MiniFest Anyone??? LONG!!!!.... sorry Hi Sherelle! Congrats on your concert. I wish too that I had been there. I don still have your demo that you sent me;~) No, Michael just arrived in the NYC last night as far as I know. I have not spoken to him since, but who all is in for a mini fest? I was thinking about driving into the city Saturday night, provided there is not torrential downpours to see our lovely Kay perform at The C-Note. Who all is in? Smurf are you up to this? Rosie in NJ - -----Original Message----- From: Sherelle Smith To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:33:29 +0000 Subject: Re: Here's The News/MiniFest Anyone??? LONG!!!!.... sorry Dear Paz, I pray right now that I can stay focused on the work at hand that is still needed in New Orleans! Please keep us ever mindful my firend. There is still so much yet to be done! Oh! Your idea for a mini Joni-fest sounds so good!!!! I think the best part is when everyone sits around in a circle with instruments of all kinds and we just jam! It's so real and so pure! Ah! Someone told me this past week that music is food for the soul! How true! You are probably back from NY by now and I hope you had a great time Paz!!! Yes it's time for something new and different for you! I know you can do it! I wish so much happiness and prosperity for you. Hold your head up high. New Orleans will rise again bigger and better than ever! i saved your website about helping musicians with instruments. Now that I am free again, it's time to roll up my sleeves!!! Keep us in the loop with the goings on there Paz! Don't let us forget!!! Love, Sherelle I have left off the (NJC) tag on this one post as to not miss anyone important or from the INNER CIRCLE!! Here's the news! Sorry I have not written anything for a few days but it has truly been more overwhelming in the last week than the whole deal. I went into town a few days ago when they opened the city up to some of the residents from small areas Not affected. It is truly beyond words. I went thru my old stomping grounds from high school and college days and went from total devastation to barely touched with a bit of wind damage. Obviously it was the water that did the most damage and continues as people are not allowed back to save whatever tidbit they might find. I went to Kevin's house first (my drummer friend who is big Joni supporter who went to on my first JMDL encounter in San Jose for the Dylan/Morrison/Mitchell tour, also played Pazfest, as well as at Atty May's with Rockin' Jake for Jonifest, but I digress) His house was only water damaged after Katrina, but then that fecking bitch Rita blew out the 2nd floor window to his daughters room on the front of the house. When I went by I noticed it and decided to be really butch and get out the power tools and go board up the house. Any of you who really know me, know that I am the last person you want to get on a ladder with power tools anywhere near your house. But I fecking did it with the help of Brian Stoltz who was right up the ladder with me and on the roof which was falling down as well and we patched him up. I went inside and found that the roof also broke in and the mold had taken over the little girls room, but next door in the little boys room it was untouched. Kev and Lori's room was ok too, but then I went downstairs. OMFG! fire must be a better cause it just toasts everything. He must have had close to 2 feet of water in places. Mold was growing up the walls like the plague. His amazing album collection (or the ones on the floor) history, along with tons of cds. Feck the furniture which is useless. Then I saw his vintage Rogers Drum Kit (you can check it out in the Movie Ray or Make It Funky both of which I worked on). And his DW kit. Someone must have come in the house (maybe the National guard or police God Bless them all) and knocked them over and they obviously sat in water for days. So sad and it's just stuff, but you know. From there we went to the Funky Meters storage facility. All of Brian's amps and vintage pedals, George Porter, Jr.'s Bass amps and PA system, Russell Batiste's drums, and Art Neville's chopped B-3 and Leslie destroyed in about 4' of water. Blessedly Brian's Strat and Tele were on top of George's SVT rig and escaped the wrath. Being freaks we decided that was not enough tragedy for one day we drove thru most of city that is now dry, but covered in a dust that is beyond description. The wet areas we stayed away from (9th ward and St. Bernard Parish). We went uptown which has places that look like a bomb went off there. The hospital where my children were born looks like it might me in Iraq (it was on the news where a lot of heroes saved a lot of lives but people died from the circumstances). We went past Art Neville's house that was not damaged at all by the storm winds or water. But the looters went in and took everything that was not nailed down. The piano was still there so they must have had weak backs. We went up Elysian Fields which goes from the river behind the French Quarter to the Lake and the devastation there is widespread. The old lakefront restaurants are some toothpick looking pilings along about 3 city blocks which use to be several amazing seafood restaurants. The French Quarter and downtown are fine. They will be ready for Southern Decadence and other deviants to come back as ASAP. And top think that is why god did all this in the first place and it was virtually unscathed. I should have never taken that ride. It has robbed some of the optimism that I thought I had. I do not know how we can recover from this. Everyday it looks more and more like we might have to bail and swim for our lives. Sorry! Anyways enough of the bad news. THE REALLY GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am going to go to NYC on Thursday arriving around 5pm (as long as the freebe green ticket non rev pass works on Southwest) into Long Island airport (which sounds scary). I am coming with my friend Juan to attend the AES show there and try and network and find a new gig. Juan is the hero from my post the other day that did the interview with NPR and saved a bunch of folks. We have been helping a lot of musicians with new instruments and stuff to be able to get back to work, thanks to so many people donating their money and instruments, etc. Especially thanks to people from this list who have sent stuff in THANKS SO MUCH! Anyways that takes up my days of but my nights THURSDAY> FRIDAY> SATURDAY> SUNDAY>>>> I have NO plans other than a deep desire to see any and all of you at someone's house bar a park a IHOP a Denny's and have a mini fest. Just us. Some guitars and other implements of music and friendship and lets shake it out. I need to be with some people that get it and people that I love and I would love just to go to a RESTAURANT and eat. Yea I remember those. SUSHI OH OH OH Thai. Lets go see a New Orleans band, any band. Let's go see Lynn Skinner ( I LOVE HER!!! oh I know that is later in the month)! How about KAY ASHLEY!!!! David Lahm anyone! Patrick Leader could entertain us in a pinch, but only if you like Todd and Bette and Joni and you know all those artsy fartsy types. How about Rosalita from Jersey or Nikki from Philly or Brian from Jersey????? Ashara, Chuck, Smurph from Boston I know I am wishing for a lot. OK OK Jody and Scott. Ok everyone anywhere near the eastern seaboard! Anyways sorry for the long diatribe and the run on sentences and incomplete thoughts, misspppppppelllings, etc. but my head is about to explode and I got up at 5am (which is my new time to get up fro some reason) and it has been a hell of a day. And I have only told you about 5 days ago and what I am hoping for day after tomorrow. A BIG BIG SHOUT out to my friend Simon who sent me a care package that I got last night and enjoyed a lot today despite my current hysteria (did I mention I have a rash??? Oh yea we talked about Bush already) Anyways if you like in the NYC area and I have your number I will be calling you tomorrow and if you don't hear from me then call me cause I am gunning for ya. Love ya Paz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:46:56 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: travel to Canada from U.S. I don't think you need a passport to enter Canada from the U.S. I live near TO. (about an hour away). The only Joni-related area I can think of is Yorkville (Ave. ?) where she used to play in the coffee houses. Everyone talks about it like it was the place to be, but I thought I remember Joni saying I was rather lousy. (No one listening -- just a means to make a few bucks) Maybe I'm wrong. The old cafe's seem to be non existent now. It's a pretty posh street now (shops and restaurants). You might even see some celebs. Not my thing, but hey ..... Doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:31:57 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Here's The News/MiniFest Anyone??? LONG!!!!.... sorry Hi Rose! Thanks so much for the congrats! I'm glad you still have the demo CD. I look so forward to the day I can get that second one released! I hope it doesn't take as long as the first!!! (Smile) You guys have a great time this weekend and live it up!!!! Joni people are so special!!!!! Have fun!!!! Love, Sherelle >From: rosemjoy@aol.com >To: sherellesmith@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Here's The News/MiniFest Anyone??? LONG!!!!.... sorry >Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 11:12:45 -0400 > > Hi Sherelle! > >Congrats on your concert. I wish too that I had been there. I don still >have your demo that you sent me;~) No, Michael just arrived in the NYC last >night as far as I know. I have not spoken to him since, but who all is in >for a mini fest? I was thinking about driving into the city Saturday night, >provided there is not torrential downpours to see our lovely Kay perform at >The C-Note. Who all is in? Smurf are you up to this? > >Rosie in NJ > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sherelle Smith >To: joni@smoe.org >Sent: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:33:29 +0000 >Subject: Re: Here's The News/MiniFest Anyone??? LONG!!!!.... sorry > > >Dear Paz, > >I pray right now that I can stay focused on the work at hand that is still >needed in New Orleans! Please keep us ever mindful my firend. There is >still so much yet to be done! > >Oh! Your idea for a mini Joni-fest sounds so good!!!! I think the best part >is when everyone sits around in a circle with instruments of all kinds and >we just jam! It's so real and so pure! Ah! Someone told me this past week >that music is food for the soul! How true! > >You are probably back from NY by now and I hope you had a great time Paz!!! >Yes it's time for something new and different for you! I know you can do >it! I wish so much happiness and prosperity for you. Hold your head up >high. New Orleans will rise again bigger and better than ever! i saved your >website about helping musicians with instruments. Now that I am free again, >it's time to roll up my sleeves!!! Keep us in the loop with the goings on >there Paz! Don't let us forget!!! > >Love, Sherelle > >I have left off the (NJC) tag on this one post as to not miss anyone >important or from the INNER CIRCLE!! >Here's the news! >Sorry I have not written anything for a few days but it has truly been more >overwhelming in the last week than the whole deal. I went into town a few >days ago when they opened the city up to some of the residents from small >areas Not affected. It is truly beyond words. I went thru my old stomping >grounds from high school and college days and went from total devastation >to >barely touched with a bit of wind damage. Obviously it was the water that >did the most damage and continues as people are not allowed back to save >whatever tidbit they might find. >I went to Kevin's house first (my drummer friend who is big Joni supporter >who went to on my first JMDL encounter in San Jose for the >Dylan/Morrison/Mitchell tour, also played Pazfest, as well as at Atty May's >with Rockin' Jake for Jonifest, but I digress) His house was only water >damaged after Katrina, but then that fecking bitch Rita blew out the 2nd >floor window to his daughters room on the front of the house. When I went >by >I noticed it and decided to be really butch and get out the power tools and >go board up the house. Any of you who really know me, know that I am the >last person you want to get on a ladder with power tools anywhere near your >house. But I fecking did it with the help of Brian Stoltz who was right up >the ladder with me and on the roof which was falling down as well and we >patched him up. I went inside and found that the roof also broke in and the >mold had taken over the little girls room, but next door in the little boys >room it was untouched. Kev and Lori's room was ok too, but then I went >downstairs. OMFG! fire must be a better cause it just toasts everything. He >must have had close to 2 feet of water in places. Mold was growing up the >walls like the plague. His amazing album collection (or the ones on the >floor) history, along with tons of cds. Feck the furniture which is >useless. >Then I saw his vintage Rogers Drum Kit (you can check it out in the Movie >Ray or Make It Funky both of which I worked on). And his DW kit. Someone >must have come in the house (maybe the National guard or police God Bless >them all) and knocked them over and they obviously sat in water for days. >So >sad and it's just stuff, but you know. >From there we went to the Funky Meters storage facility. All of Brian's >amps >and vintage pedals, George Porter, Jr.'s Bass amps and PA system, Russell >Batiste's drums, and Art Neville's chopped B-3 and Leslie destroyed in >about >4' of water. Blessedly Brian's Strat and Tele were on top of George's SVT >rig and escaped the wrath. >Being freaks we decided that was not enough tragedy for one day we drove >thru most of city that is now dry, but covered in a dust that is beyond >description. The wet areas we stayed away from (9th ward and St. Bernard >Parish). We went uptown which has places that look like a bomb went off >there. The hospital where my children were born looks like it might me in >Iraq (it was on the news where a lot of heroes saved a lot of lives but >people died from the circumstances). We went past Art Neville's house that >was not damaged at all by the storm winds or water. But the looters went in >and took everything that was not nailed down. The piano was still there so >they must have had weak backs. We went up Elysian Fields which goes from >the >river behind the French Quarter to the Lake and the devastation there is >widespread. The old lakefront restaurants are some toothpick looking >pilings >along about 3 city blocks which use to be several amazing seafood >restaurants. >The French Quarter and downtown are fine. They will be ready for Southern >Decadence and other deviants to come back as ASAP. And top think that is >why >god did all this in the first place and it was virtually unscathed. >I should have never taken that ride. It has robbed some of the optimism >that >I thought I had. I do not know how we can recover from this. Everyday it >looks more and more like we might have to bail and swim for our lives. >Sorry! Anyways enough of the bad news. >THE REALLY GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!! >I am going to go to NYC on Thursday arriving around 5pm (as long as the >freebe green ticket non rev pass works on Southwest) into Long Island >airport (which sounds scary). I am coming with my friend Juan to attend the >AES show there and try and network and find a new gig. Juan is the hero >from >my post the other day that did the interview with NPR and saved a bunch of >folks. We have been helping a lot of musicians with new instruments and >stuff to be able to get back to work, thanks to so many people donating >their money and instruments, etc. Especially thanks to people from this >list >who have sent stuff in THANKS SO MUCH! Anyways that takes up my days of but >my nights THURSDAY> FRIDAY> SATURDAY> SUNDAY>>>> I have NO plans other than >a deep desire to see any and all of you at someone's house bar a park a >IHOP >a Denny's and have a mini fest. Just us. Some guitars and other implements >of music and friendship and lets shake it out. I need to be with some >people >that get it and people that I love and I would love just to go to a >RESTAURANT and eat. Yea I remember those. SUSHI OH OH OH Thai. Lets go see >a >New Orleans band, any band. Let's go see Lynn Skinner ( I LOVE HER!!! oh I >know that is later in the month)! How about KAY ASHLEY!!!! David Lahm >anyone! Patrick Leader could entertain us in a pinch, but only if you like >Todd and Bette and Joni and you know all those artsy fartsy types. How >about >Rosalita from Jersey or Nikki from Philly or Brian from Jersey????? Ashara, >Chuck, Smurph from Boston I know I am wishing for a lot. OK OK Jody and >Scott. Ok everyone anywhere near the eastern seaboard! > >Anyways sorry for the long diatribe and the run on sentences and incomplete >thoughts, misspppppppelllings, etc. but my head is about to explode and I >got up at 5am (which is my new time to get up fro some reason) and it has >been a hell of a day. And I have only told you about 5 days ago and what I >am hoping for day after tomorrow. > >A BIG BIG SHOUT out to my friend Simon who sent me a care package that I >got >last night and enjoyed a lot today despite my current hysteria (did I >mention I have a rash??? Oh yea we talked about Bush already) Anyways if >you >like in the NYC area and I have your number I will be calling you tomorrow >and if you don't hear from me then call me cause I am gunning for ya. > >Love ya > >Paz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:01:10 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Always amazed to hear of another longtime Joni fan's history Janine has been trying to get this message to the list for some time now - keeps bouncing! Les - --------------------------- From: janine sherman Dear Donna in NC, Reading your post is like opening my heart. I have many emotional parallels to yours in my conversion to Joni story. Abeit, I grew up in Ohio and had a few more comrades in my Joni camp in college in the 70's who were lucky, like me, to be able to see her live in Cleveland in '72 with Paul Simon/ James Taylor on the McGovern campaign. I also fell in with Ladies of the Canyon and then lost touch with her after marriage, kids. When I watched the TNT Tribute show in 2000 I bawled my eyes out uncontrollably and had to go searching for more. Like you, found the JMDL and read endlessly. The rest is recent history. In 2001 my family took a cruise to Alaska with a few extra days in Vancouver. Below is a snippet of the story of us looking for Joni! The "meltdown" reference is to when I was fortunate enough to sit behind Joni at the Toronto Hommage Tribute. I can still visualize every glistening strand of her flaxen hair and hear her every murmur to Klein, her seat mate. This place is a haven for those of us with that Joni feeling. Welcome and I hope you can gather from 2002 post where her place is in relation to Vancouver. Janine in Gettysburg, PA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:08:40 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: a longish first post, njc Donna in NC wrote: No Joni people to discuss the deep things in life with. Hi Donna, Welcome to the list! You won't have any problem with the above from now on. We discuss the deep and the shallow and everything in between. One thing I really love about Joni is she never seems to be at a loss for words. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:16:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Shea Subject: Re: Dylan as Hero (some Joni now) - --- Em wrote: > hi Debra, got to admit, I never thought of Bob as a > hero before. Me either, Em! And I'm not sure I do now. And I don't know whether Scorsese does either; he may have used the hero myth just as a storytelling device, a very effective one because as soon as an artist/filmmaker taps into the viewer's unconscious (and myths do that), then the story goes way beyond the particular moment or person and becomes riveting. It sure made Dylan's story compelling watching for me. His music has some of that same myth-telling quality, too. He might be singing about a particular person, but the full story goes way beyond that. I think Joni does something similar. It's more than just tapping into emotions we all can feel. For example, Big Yellow Taxi has a snappy tune and clever lyrics, and also describes Eden lost, which is a much more compelling story than the one about a single parking lot. So BYT will be sung for a very long time. This Dylan film was much different than the American Masters film on Joni, which was also interesting because I'm such a fan. But I didn't feel mysteriously glued to the screen the way I did watching the Dylan film. And that made me curious about why Scorsese's film was so compelling. Joni's story was told in a more straightforward way, from childhood through her albums, with mentions of some relationships on the way. Her story could be told as a hero on a journey story, too, from her humble beginnings moving toward her big challenge and battle centered on the Mingus album, but the filmmaker didn't present her story that way. For one thing, Joni's relationships were shown as real relationships, not merely steps on a hero's journey. None of this is very important... I just find it interesting, in a movie-critic, what made me feel that way?, how did Scorsese do that?, kind of way. > If for no other reason than that he's so > wonderfully-tho-frustratingly > imperfect. But I guess perfection's not a > requirement of a hero. No, I don't think it is. Heros are often presented as perfect (did George Washington really NEVER tell a lie?!), but that's after time has passed and they're all polished up, and no longer real. I'd expect heros and heroism to be messy since it involves going way beyond one's comfort zone, either by choice or necessity of the moment. > I think of him kind of as a beat hero. Like Kerouac. > Or a down and out hero, like Woody Guthrie. > Rather than a "hero" in the sense of a John Glenn or > even one of the > Coast Guard rooftop rescuers after Katrina. > So its kind of tantalizing now, to think about the > idea of "hero". > Thanks for bringing it up. > "Freudig, wie ein Held zum Siegen"! > Must a hero have success or victory? or just be > really awesome while on > the road? Good questions! I don't know! But I'll make a guess anyway... I think a hero has to deliberately act rather than just be a bystander in a place where something is happening, and in hero stories usually the outcome is good, things turn out well because of the hero's actions. All the people you mention fit that definition. But, then, there are exceptions... the firemen choosing to go up the stairs in the World Trade Center were heros even though they couldn't save everyone or in some cases, themselves. They did, though, help get thousands of people out of those buildings. And Joni's Mingus album ended her radio-play and damaged her career, so it may have been positive for her personally but not publicly... so is it heroic that she did it anyway? I'm going to go back now to my... I don't know! As always, more questions than answers... Debra Shea __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:06:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Shea Subject: Re: Dylan as Hero NJC / hero myth - --- Mark Scott wrote: > Where's the gritty, drifter, scratching > in the dirt, down and > out, business come from?? > > Don't get me wrong. I'm not slagging the guy. I'm > just trying to > understand him. Hi Mark, My guess is that he took the gritty stories from Woody and other folk singers of the time, and added to that his own feelings of desolation and alienation. And eventually he learned enough about writing songs that he could let go of and move beyond that structure. I can't tell from what you've written if you saw the recent Dylan film. One thing that came across to me from watching that, and from seeing Dylan's interview on 60 Minutes a few months ago, is that he never felt he belonged to his family or community; it's though he was some alien creature born to the wrong parents (as he labeled them). He talked about his father's store and his uncles who worked there and how he was expected to do that, and he never wanted to, and I got the impression he couldn't even imagine himself doing that, even though it seemed to him that his father and uncles were quite happy with that and their life in general. That sense of emotional alienation still seems to be a big part of him, and I think it's what enables him to tell those gritty stories and relate tales about people who are also alienated, not only emotionally but in some stories physically too. > My attitude about Dylan has been > slowly evolving over the > past few years. I bought some of his cds and > actually listened to his > music, sung, played and recorded by him. I am > *very* intrigued and the way > he plays with words is amazing. But does it mean > anything? Does it have to > mean anything? I have also been able to open myself > up to the idea that a > song lyric doesn't have to read in a > straight-forward literal way in order > to say or suggest something or make me feel > something. Rickie Lee Jones has > had a lot to do with that. > > I guess part of me is ready to admit that Bob Dylan > is a genius. Joni says he showed her what a song could be and she took off from there, so that makes him a genius to me. Joni doesn't admit much to having influences, so her word on that is enough for me. Another thing the film showed was the context Dylan started in. He really did make songs and perform differently than anyone else was doing at the time, or ever had done. His songs have held up so well, it's hard to realize how shocking he must have been to most people back then, even before he went electric. > But there's still this nagging little Doubting Thomas > down in me somewhere that > wonders if he's a shyster. He certainly wrote some > beautiful songs that you > don't have to be an English lit major to understand. > But there are others > that sound impressive and mysterious and full of > hidden meaning, maybe > something akin to stream of consciousness....but are > they really? Or are > they just Bobby, playing with words, fitting them > together to see which > combinations sound good? I say yes to these questions. And I don't mind even if he is just playing with words. > And if that's the case, > does it really matter or > detract from their beauty? No, I don't think so. It may make his message hard to figure out in a logical way, but sometimes there's a power in the sound of words that goes beyond their literal meaning. Dylan uses words the way a poet does. > I'm just not sure. Me either. Maybe that's part of being intrigued. Debra Shea __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:23:19 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Break In njc The house i'm living in was broken into last night while we were all in bed. Rachel woke me at 7a.m. to tell me what had happened. She had heard something about 5.30 but had assumed it was the neighbours being noisy. The burglar came in through a window in the kitchen, which is at the back of the house. He (presumably) used a garden shears to break the lock on the window. Drawers were open and their contents rifled through and strewn across the floor. The contents of my bag, which i had left ready for work, had been tipped onto the floor (my passport and house keys were not touched fortunately). A full suitcase belonging to Nami had been emptied in the shed. Her clothes and a couple of journals were blowing in the wind. Nothing obvious was taken. They did not take either of the cameras that were lying in the open. They did not take either of the televisions or cd players, the dvd player, computer. Nothing. Until, that is, i go to play a certain cd which i had left on the table. About six cds were taken (Led Zeppelin's first two, one by The Doors, The Rolling Stones, Richard Thompson and something else that i cannot remember right now - at least they had decent musical taste). I was angry, somewhat amused, sickened. I felt violated. This was *my* house, you know? My kitchen. My place to sit and listen to music. My sitting room. I felt relieved that we were not hurt. The Gardai later told us that he (again, presumably) had broken into about seven local houses. He seemed to only take things like cash and phones (my cds? He didn't take Joni for some reason). This was not a great start to friday. On a cheerier note, I saw a very interesting production of Hamlet last night. It was very enjoyable. GARRET - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #382 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)