From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #381 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, October 7 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 381 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni in the Blue Mountains of Australia [Mark-Leon Thorne ] The Priest by Stryngs [Bob Muller ] Re: Joni in the Blue Mountains of Australia [Bob Muller ] NJC Re: Here's The News/MiniFest Anyone??? LONG!!!!.... sorry [FMYFL@aol.] Re: DJRD Re-issue? [Jamie Zubairi ] travel to Canada from US njc [Deb Messling ] Re: DJRD reissue? [JasonMaloney71@aol.com] RE: DJRD Re-issue? ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: DJRD reissue? [Jamie Zubairi ] RE: DJRD Re-issue? [Jamie Zubairi ] RE: travel to Canada from US njc ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: travel to Canada from US njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Metheny and Bowie NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: DJRD Re-issue? [] Re: Some Stuff [Les Irvin ] Re: travel to Canada from US njc [Lori Fye ] Re: DJRD reissue? [JasonMaloney71@aol.com] Dylan as Hero [was Ebert on Dylan film] NJC [Debra Shea ] RE: ebert on dylan film njc [Debra Shea ] Re: Dylan as Hero [was Ebert on Dylan film] NJC / hero myth [Em ] Re: Dylan as Hero [was Ebert on Dylan film] NJC / hero myth [Debra Shea ] RE: JMDL Digest V2005 #367 ["Tortorici, Frank" Subject: Re: Joni in the Blue Mountains of Australia Wow Bob! How do you get this information? Looks like I'll be taking a drive up into the Blue Mountains on Nov. 6. Finally, a local Joni tribute. Yay!!! Mark in Sydney NP Sunflower - Paul Weller ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:51:18 +0300 (EEST) From: Subject: Re: DJRD Re-issue? >Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:11:34 +0100 (BST) >From: Jamie Zubairi >Subject: DJRD Re-issue? > >Hello UK Jonifolk >Have any of you noticed that there is a new re-issue >of DJRD out? I had a look inside (a trick my friend >who used to work at HMV told me) and it's a new Asylum >release with a full colour cd of the asylum logo (the >door) on it. Apparently it's HDCD as well but the >booklet isn't the fold-out version that the US had in >them but the standard 'booklet' form that most cds >have. > >Also in this months 'The Word' or 'Uncut' magazine >there was an article about DJRD and how it's a 'lost >jewel' or some other description. A very good review, >I should buy it... > >Much Joni > >Jamie Zoob I noticed DJRD at CDon.com just the other day. it's a Swedish online-only shop and ships to where I live (Finland). What caught my attention is that the label listed is Rhino, not Asylum. - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 03:14:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: The Priest by Stryngs I must have done something wrong with the cut and paste of the link, as several folks said that it wasn't working. Sorry about that - trying again. Somebody please let me know if this one works OK: Regular link (for all web browsers): http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1CTGI7I0T5SX90HR7CF3P9C03N Bob NP: XTC, "1000 Umbrellas" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 03:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni in the Blue Mountains of Australia I was just surfing around and googled "Joni Mitchell Tribute" and most of what turned up was stuff that had already happened, but this one (scheduled for her birthday) is just around the corner. Expecting a full report, Bob NP: Stryngs, "The Priest" (something is not working right with the yousendit, so if you want to hear this extraordinary track, lemme know and I'll send it individually. Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: Wow Bob! How do you get this information? Looks like I'll be taking a drive up into the Blue Mountains on Nov. 6. Finally, a local Joni tribute. Yay!!! Mark in Sydney NP Sunflower - Paul Weller - --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:19:32 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: DJRD Re-issue? I forgot to mention it's an 'entirely clear' jewel case and the front spine (which is usually black plastic) is clear and they've got 'digitally remastered' in white running up the front spine and Joni's 'How' photo staring put at us, printed to fit the front spine. I'm not sure it's called a front spine but it's the part of the cd spine that faces the front. Most cds are usually black plastic. Thisi is the first Joni cd that I've seen with clear plastic.I don't think that makes it collectable though... heh heh... Hmmm, Michael I don't know if it's a UK only re-release... You might have to check out your record stores. You can tell straight away it's the new re-issue due to the entirely clear plastic jewelcase. Much Joni Jamie Zoob - --- Michael Flaherty wrote: > On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:11:34 +0100 (BST) > Jamie Zubairi wrote: > Apparently it's HDCD as well but the > > booklet isn't the fold-out version that the US had > in > > them but the standard 'booklet' form that most cds > > have. > > This is strange ... I was listening to HoSL in my > car > tonight and thinking that the sound really isn't > very > good. Compared to the recent Dylan remasters it > sounds > down right bad. > > I don't know if I want to buy the whole catalog > again, but > DJRD does interest me. > > Is this a UK only release? I haven't seen anything > on it > here (usa). > > Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:29:18 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Here's The News/MiniFest Anyone??? LONG!!!!.... sorry In a message dated 10/5/2005 11:21:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: > PS, thanks for bringing the party down, killbuzz. Is it too early for > jokes? :| Expect the weekly apology on Sunday, when I atone. > I think it will never be anything to joke about, Lama. Why the need for a weekly apology, when you can avoid it altogether. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:37:06 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: DJRD Re-issue? hmmm. on the cd it doesn't mention Rhino, per se... but it is released by Warner Strategic Marketing, I guess which is another name for Rhino... - --- jus_puk@surfeu.fi wrote: > >Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:11:34 +0100 (BST) > >From: Jamie Zubairi > >Subject: DJRD Re-issue? > > > >Hello UK Jonifolk > >Have any of you noticed that there is a new > re-issue > >of DJRD out? I had a look inside (a trick my friend > >who used to work at HMV told me) and it's a new > Asylum > >release with a full colour cd of the asylum logo > (the > >door) on it. Apparently it's HDCD as well but the > >booklet isn't the fold-out version that the US had > in > >them but the standard 'booklet' form that most cds > >have. > > > >Also in this months 'The Word' or 'Uncut' magazine > >there was an article about DJRD and how it's a > 'lost > >jewel' or some other description. A very good > review, > >I should buy it... > > > >Much Joni > > > >Jamie Zoob > > > I noticed DJRD at CDon.com just the other day. it's > a Swedish online-only > shop and ships to where I live (Finland). What > caught my attention is that > the label listed is Rhino, not Asylum. > > --jussi > ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:01:21 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: travel to Canada from US njc My husband's planning a trip to celebrate my 50th birthday - I don't know where to, but my working hypothesis is Canada. Does a US citizen need a passport to enter Canada as a visitor? I have conflicting information. Are there any Joni-related pilgrimage spots in Toronto? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:09:35 EDT From: JasonMaloney71@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD reissue? Thanks for the heads-up, Jamie! This had passed me by, or perhaps I didn't pay close enough attention to the year of the reissue when I was recently checking DJRD's availability status for my project. According to amazon.co.uk it was released on 4th July 2005, although in true amazon fashion they have it down as on the Elektra label rather than Asylum. I noticed the WORD mention too :) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:15:26 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: DJRD Re-issue? DJRD is already an HDCD version--what is new about this one? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michael Flaherty Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:49 PM To: Jamie Zubairi; Joni JMDL Subject: Re: DJRD Re-issue? On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:11:34 +0100 (BST) Jamie Zubairi wrote: Apparently it's HDCD as well but the > booklet isn't the fold-out version that the US had in > them but the standard 'booklet' form that most cds > have. This is strange ... I was listening to HoSL in my car tonight and thinking that the sound really isn't very good. Compared to the recent Dylan remasters it sounds down right bad. I don't know if I want to buy the whole catalog again, but DJRD does interest me. Is this a UK only release? I haven't seen anything on it here (usa). Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:21:21 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: DJRD reissue? I think they're all the same aren't they? WEA stands for Warner Elektra Asylum which is printed ont he label somewhere... - --- JasonMaloney71@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the heads-up, Jamie! This had passed me > by, or perhaps I didn't > pay close enough attention to the year of the > reissue when I was recently > checking DJRD's availability status for my project. > According to amazon.co.uk it > was released on 4th July 2005, although in true > amazon fashion they have it > down as on the Elektra label rather than Asylum. > > I noticed the WORD mention too :) > > Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:22:53 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: RE: DJRD Re-issue? not in the UK it doesn't... only available on import... I guess... - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > DJRD is already an HDCD version--what is new about > this one? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michael > Flaherty > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:49 PM > To: Jamie Zubairi; Joni JMDL > Subject: Re: DJRD Re-issue? > > On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:11:34 +0100 (BST) > Jamie Zubairi wrote: > Apparently it's HDCD as well but the ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:42:31 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: travel to Canada from US njc It's a good idea. Though not mandatory until Jan 1, 2008, it will you're your trip run more smoothly: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Deb Messling Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 8:01 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: travel to Canada from US njc My husband's planning a trip to celebrate my 50th birthday - I don't know where to, but my working hypothesis is Canada. Does a US citizen need a passport to enter Canada as a visitor? I have conflicting information. Are there any Joni-related pilgrimage spots in Toronto? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:12:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: travel to Canada from US njc - --- Deb Messling wrote: > My husband's planning a trip to celebrate my 50th > birthday - I don't know > where to, but my working hypothesis is Canada. > > Does a US citizen need a passport to enter Canada as > a visitor? I have > conflicting information. > > Are there any Joni-related pilgrimage spots in > Toronto? > > - ------------------------------------------------------ I would recommend you get one anyway, to avoid the rush later on (as Richard has told you anyway.) I wish I knew of Joni-related pilgrimage spots in Toronto. I live her, but I don't know nuffin'. I'm not sure what the Riverboat is now. The building is probably still there, in Yorkville, which used to be grungy, hip and cool and is now poseurish and expensive. She did go to Hugh's Room when she was here for the hommage thing, to visit Eric Andersen when he was there, but that's not necessarily a pilgrimage spot. Still, they have some good acts there, so you should check their website to see what's going on when you're here: http://www.hughsroom.com/index.html You can call me when you get to Tranna if you wanna. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:29:31 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: travel to Canada from US njc In a message dated 10/6/2005 8:13:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dlmessling@rcn.com writes: > Are there any Joni-related pilgrimage spots in Toronto? > > Deb, you can always go see Joni's star on Canada's Walk of Fame in front of the Royal Alexandra Theatre, which is in Toronto. check out : http://jonimitchell.com/star/StarUnveiling.html Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:23:07 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Metheny and Bowie NJC Does anyone know how Pat Metheny came to record 'This is not America' with David Bowie? mike in bcn np - dead can dance 'Tell me about the Forest' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:10:35 +0300 (EEST) From: Subject: Re: DJRD Re-issue? WMS is listed for distributor, Rhino for label Jamie Zubairi wrote: >hmmm. on the cd it doesn't mention Rhino, per se... >but it is released by Warner Strategic Marketing, I >guess which is another name for Rhino... > > >--- jus_puk@surfeu.fi wrote: > >>>Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:11:34 +0100 (BST) >>>From: Jamie Zubairi >>>Subject: DJRD Re-issue? >>> >>>Hello UK Jonifolk >>>Have any of you noticed that there is a new >> >>re-issue >> >>>of DJRD out? I had a look inside (a trick my friend >>>who used to work at HMV told me) and it's a new >> >>Asylum >> >>>release with a full colour cd of the asylum logo >> >>(the >> >>>door) on it. Apparently it's HDCD as well but the >>>booklet isn't the fold-out version that the US had >> >>in >> >>>them but the standard 'booklet' form that most cds >>>have. >>> >>>Also in this months 'The Word' or 'Uncut' magazine >>>there was an article about DJRD and how it's a >> >>'lost >> >>>jewel' or some other description. A very good >> >>review, >> >>>I should buy it... >>> >>>Much Joni >>> >>>Jamie Zoob >> >> >>I noticed DJRD at CDon.com just the other day. it's >>a Swedish online-only >>shop and ships to where I live (Finland). What >>caught my attention is that >>the label listed is Rhino, not Asylum. >> >>--jussi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:13:54 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Some Stuff On 10/5/05, Bob Muller wrote: > > Get a load of this version of The Priest by Stryngs: > I just can't say enough good things about it - check it out. This performance was one of the highlights of the fest for me. An amazing, creative twist on a Joni song.... or two. I encourage everyone to listen to this track! Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:20:43 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: travel to Canada from US njc The venerable Deb Messling wrote: > My husband's planning a trip to celebrate my 50th birthday And we're all so nice, no one even said ... FIFTIETH??? Okay, we're all nice except for me. ; ) Congrats on your upcoming birthday, Deb!! Hoping your trip turns out to be terrific, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:29:37 EDT From: JasonMaloney71@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD reissue? Hi Jamie, They're all part of the Warner Music Group, yes. Having read the fantastic book on the history of the WMG through the past 100 years by Stan Cornyn, I'm slightly wiser about how the various labels and acronyms came to pass, but not any less confused by it all! A lot of Asylum acts "moved" (cosmetically as much as anything, perhaps) to Elektra in the 80s, as far as I have seen from the catalogue numbers and chart stats, and many of the rest went to Geffen. An awful lot of to-ing and fro-ing takes place within the WMG umbrella even to this day....they're a law unto themselves at times. According to UK release info Joni started on Reprise, then moved to Asylum, before her Geffen years (which briefly saw her albums outside of the Warner stable when he signed a deal with MCA at the start of the 90s) and finally a return to Reprise in 1994. I suppose that's one reason why the 80s albums tend to appear grouped together as a box-set, as well as not being as easily available as the rest of her catalogue these days. I think that all made some sense! Jason. In a message dated 06/10/2005 13:21:33 GMT Standard Time, jamiezubairi@yahoo.co.uk writes: I think they're all the same aren't they? WEA stands for Warner Elektra Asylum which is printed ont he label somewhere... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:40:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Shea Subject: Dylan as Hero [was Ebert on Dylan film] NJC - --- Les Irvin wrote: > > ... Since [1966], he has been > relentlessly unconcerned with his image. ... > This is exactly what both frustrates and endears > this guy to so many people. > His complete unwillingness to cater to public > opinion, and his complete lack > of respect for the image of himself that others want > to force upon him. Last weekend I watched both parts of Scorsese's film, and was riveted the whole time. I loved hearing all that music, both from Dylan and from artists who'd influenced him. My favorite bit was when young Dylan passed the lists of items and services written on boards outside a store, and he stopped, looked and started saying the words and combining them in different ways, many different ways, he just kept going with it, pushing the concept, and having great fun doing it. That playfulness and joy in taking the mundane and making something different with it completely reeled me in. Uh oh, I thought, I'm in love with this guy now! I've always liked Dylan's music but never knew or cared to know much about his personal life so I was surprised at being completely smitten by what I was seeing. I was glued to the tv, which is rare for me. While watching for four hours and wondering why I couldn't look away and then realizing there's not much personal info being given, it struck me that Dylan might be the subject, but the film is actually the hero myth as described by Joseph Campbell, with Dylan as hero on a hero's journey. I wonder what Dylan thinks of that! Talk about having someone's view of you forced on you! Whether Scorsese deliberately structured his film as the hero myth (it's so exact, I think so), or whether it's such a basic myth of humankind that he did it unconsciously doesn't matter much. Seeing that structure didn't lessen my enjoyment of the film. I liked having that extra layer of meaning, but it did seem ironic to me that Dylan, who does things HIS way and doesn't want to be a spokesman of any kind, would end up having his life story fit into such a tight structure by Scorsese. At the same time, portraying Dylan as a mythical hero does make for an extremely compelling and powerful story... no wonder I love that guy now! All the steps of the myth were there, such as Dylan's not-much-happening-here upbringing, his sense of destiny, his seeking out, using and surpassing mentors, his continuing on through hardships... even his (near) death experience and then his changed way of doing things (resurrection)... all of those steps are part of a hero's journey. So then it made sense that I still don't know the details of his life but I've ended up loving the guy anyway. It really is a masterfully done film. As the saying goes, no good storyteller lets the truth get in the way of a good story. Scorsese is a very good storyteller. I have some more Dylan cds to buy now... and concert tickets... and what's my guy up to now? I do wonder what Dylan thinks of the way he was portrayed. I expect he'd just shrug it off as not very important and go back to writing a song or two and planning his next concert tour. The guy's got things to say and, even when I didn't know much about him, it always seemed that getting his words out there was most important to him. What we, or Scorsese, do with that doesn't matter... Dylan's already moved on. Debra Shea NPIMH: A hard rain's a gonna fa a aaall... great song! ______________________________________________________ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:18:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: travel to Canada from US njc - --- Lori Fye wrote: > And we're all so nice, no one even said ... > > FIFTIETH??? > > Okay, we're all nice except for me. ; ) > Well yes, some of us are nice (ahem), and of course, some of us have already crossed that bridge, and trust me when I say, it ain't no big deal (except for the occasional panic attack when I realize my life is way more than half over, and what the hell have I dont with it so far?) Deb, of course, will stay forever young. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:20:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Shea Subject: RE: ebert on dylan film njc - --- Deb Messling wrote: > In the early part of the film there were hints of > Dylan as an ordinary > musician with an understandable ambition to be > famous, and of Dylan as a > guy who scrupulously cultivated his persona. > *That,* I buy. Not a Dylan fan, eh? He was portrayed as ordinary, coming from a nothing-unusual-about-it background, but I don't agree with you about him aiming for fame or cultivating his persona. In an interview a few months ago on 60 Minutes, he did say he felt he had a sense of destiny and that anyone who feels that way needs to keep quiet about it because it's a fragile thing, and people who don't understand will try to undermine it. But his sense of destiny doesn't come across to me as an "I'll do anything to be famous" attitude, but more of a "I have things to say and it will probably lead me somewhere" feeling. And, according to what people in the film said (as chosen by Scorsese), Dylan was NOT ordinary... while talking about how Dylan learned to play guitar in a few months, the speaker came across as being amazed at that, as though it was something magical. I got the impression that an inner creative force pushed Dylan, and becoming famous was the result of him expressing that force, not something he aimed for (which is similar to Joni's story). In the film Dylan didn't seem comfortable with his fame, and even hated things like people wanting his autograph and someone wanting to see the fingertips on his left hand. At the same time, based on what Dylan said in the film, he didn't hold the town he came from or their narrow (to him) view of life in very high regard and wanted to get out of there, and fame enabled him to do that in every way. Dylan does come across as a trickster (one of those mythical archetypes) both in some of the things he said (like seeing Joan Baez for the first time and thinking she needs someone to..... sing with; LOL!) and from what other people in the film said, like telling the story about how Dylan stole all those albums and people didn't hate him for it... it was more of a ... can you believe what that guy did? reaction. Being playful goes along with being creative, and is much different than playing games to be manipulative. He did then and continues to give us something of substance, unlike manipulators who want something for nothing (like many of today's celebrities). Debra Shea NPIMH: Lay lady lay.... who says that guy can't sing? __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:27:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Dylan as Hero [was Ebert on Dylan film] NJC / hero myth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth ...for those of you who, like I, need a bit of help with the Joseph Campbell/hero myth reference. :) Em - --- Debra Shea wrote: > > While watching for four hours and wondering why I > couldn't look away and then realizing there's not much > personal info being given, it struck me that Dylan > might be the subject, but the film is actually the > hero myth as described by Joseph Campbell, with Dylan > as hero on a hero's journey. I wonder what Dylan > thinks of that! Talk about having someone's view of > you forced on you! > > Whether Scorsese deliberately structured his film as > the hero myth (it's so exact, I think so), or whether > it's such a basic myth of humankind that he did it > unconsciously doesn't matter much. Seeing that > structure didn't lessen my enjoyment of the film. I > liked having that extra layer of meaning, but it did > seem ironic to me that Dylan, who does things HIS way > and doesn't want to be a spokesman of any kind, would > end up having his life story fit into such a tight > structure by Scorsese. At the same time, portraying > Dylan as a mythical hero does make for an extremely > compelling and powerful story... no wonder I love that > guy now! > > All the steps of the myth were there, such as Dylan's > not-much-happening-here upbringing, his sense of > destiny, his seeking out, using and surpassing > mentors, his continuing on through hardships... even > his (near) death experience and then his changed way > of doing things (resurrection)... all of those steps > are part of a hero's journey. So then it made sense > that I still don't know the details of his life but > I've ended up loving the guy anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:47:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Shea Subject: Re: William Bennett NJC - --- mike pritchard wrote: > >>Speaking on his daily radio show, William Bennett, > education secretary under > Ronald Reagan and drugs czar under the first George > Bush, said: "If you wanted > to reduce crime, you could, if that were your sole > purpose; you could abort > every black baby in this country, and your crime > rate would go down."<< Disgusting attitude and remark by Bennett, made even worse by all the people excusing it. Bennett and his excusers are tossing in that he said it would be reprehensible, but he said that about abortion in general, and that doesn't address his implied assumption that all black babies will grow up to be criminals. That's blatently racist (unless a person IS a racist and then it would make perfect sense), and there is nothing right (other than Republican right) about that. It shows that racism is alive and thriving here in the U.S., and rather than admit our assumptions (and everyone, regardless of skin color, needs to do that) and have them tested, excuses are made, people such as Kanye West are silenced (at least temporarily), and it all simmers, along with sexism and, what, we have poor people here?? Really?? Either things get talked about or they eventually explode. That's happened here in the past when the "white guys like it the way it is" society of denial wasn't listening and people had no voice, and it will probably explode again, soon. I just hope the people who are already suffering will not end up suffering more, but unfortunately they usually do. The U.S. desperately needs a leader (or group of leaders) who can help us all understand each other, not leaders such as the current Republicans who use race as a tactic to get votes from scared poor white people. Or the Democrats who use race in their own vote-for-me way. Push and pull and use and manipulate - -- and it's too often based on skin color. There has got to be a leader who can help us get beyond that. I'm seeing Barak Obama more often on the news now... maybe... just maybe he will be the one. Not that I'd want to pressure the guy, of course... but I sure see some potential, and some hope, whenever I hear him speak. In the meantime, racism will continue and apologies will ring hollow until people evolve in their understanding of themselves and each other. I hope it happens soon but to paraphrase Reagan (I think) it may only happen when the earth is attacked by blob-beings who look nothing like us and then everyone will look at their fellow humans and see two eyes, two arms, two legs (that basic structure however it's been modified) and think... that's good enough. We're in this together. Debra Shea __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:00:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Shea Subject: Re: Dylan as Hero [was Ebert on Dylan film] NJC / hero myth - --- Em wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth > > ...for those of you who, like I, need a bit of help > with the Joseph > Campbell/hero myth reference. > :) > Em Thanks, Em. Good idea to post more info (and I hope my thoughts about Dylan as Hero are not too off-base, and if they are... it was a helluva film anyway and I'm still mysteriously in love). Here's another site I just found that makes Campbell's hero steps very clear and looking at it quickly... yep, ordinary beginnings, wise old man... I think I remembered what I read years ago correctly: http://www.skepticfiles.org/atheist2/hero.htm Debra Shea __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:51:00 -0400 From: "Tortorici, Frank" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2005 #367 Hi Mark-Leon: I'd add Refuge of the Roads, Night Ride Home, Dreamland, Chinese Cafi, Chelsea Morning, You Turn Me On I'm a Radio, Crazy Cries of Love, Come in from the Cold..Comes Love..the only one I'd delete is Man to Man... Frank Tortorici Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:52:22 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Converting the Heathens Hi all. I am trying to turn a colleague at work on to the wonderful world of JM. She is almost there so, I thought I would make up a 2CD compilation. I would appreciate you feedback on my choices. I have pretty much chosen about two tracks from each album. Here is the tracklist; CD 1 1. Cactus Tree. 2. I Had a King. 3. That Song About The Midway. 4. Both Sides, Now. 5. Woodstock. 6. The Circle Game. 7. Big Yellow Taxi. 8. A Case of You. 9. Blue. 10. Woman of Heart and Mind. 11. Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire. 12. Help Me. 13. Free Man In Paris. 14. Edith and The Kingpin. 15. Don't Interrupt The Sorrow. 16. Amelia. 17. Hejira. 18. Song For Sharon. CD 2 1. Jericho. 2. Silky Veils of Ardor. 3. God Must Be a Boogie Man. 4. Goodbye Pork Pie Hat. 5. Be Cool. 6. Man To Man. 7. Good Friends. 8. Ethiopia. 9. My Secret Place. 10. The Tea Leaf Prophecy. 11. Cherokee Louise. 12. Two Grey Rooms. 13. The Magdalene Laundries. 14. Sex Kills. 15. Man From Mars. 16. Face Lift. 17. Both Sides, Now (jazz version). Mark in Sydney NP I Had a King - JM. - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #367 ***************************** - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:22:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Dylan as Hero [was Ebert on Dylan film] NJC / hero myth hi Debra, got to admit, I never thought of Bob as a hero before. If for no other reason than that he's so wonderfully-tho-frustratingly imperfect. But I guess perfection's not a requirement of a hero. I think of him kind of as a beat hero. Like Kerouac. Or a down and out hero, like Woody Guthrie. Rather than a "hero" in the sense of a John Glenn or even one of the Coast Guard rooftop rescuers after Katrina. So its kind of tantalizing now, to think about the idea of "hero". Thanks for bringing it up. "Freudig, wie ein Held zum Siegen"! Must a hero have success or victory? or just be really awesome while on the road? :) Em - --- Debra Shea wrote: > --- Em wrote: > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth > > > > ...for those of you who, like I, need a bit of help > > with the Joseph > > Campbell/hero myth reference. > > :) > > Em > > Thanks, Em. Good idea to post more info (and I hope my > thoughts about Dylan as Hero are not too off-base, and > if they are... it was a helluva film anyway and I'm > still mysteriously in love). > > Here's another site I just found that makes Campbell's > hero steps very clear and looking at it quickly... > yep, ordinary beginnings, wise old man... I think I > remembered what I read years ago correctly: > http://www.skepticfiles.org/atheist2/hero.htm > > Debra Shea > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:22:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Dylan as Hero [was Ebert on Dylan film] NJC / hero myth hi Debra, got to admit, I never thought of Bob as a hero before. If for no other reason than that he's so wonderfully-tho-frustratingly imperfect. But I guess perfection's not a requirement of a hero. I think of him kind of as a beat hero. Like Kerouac. Or a down and out hero, like Woody Guthrie. Rather than a "hero" in the sense of a John Glenn or even one of the Coast Guard rooftop rescuers after Katrina. So its kind of tantalizing now, to think about the idea of "hero". Thanks for bringing it up. "Freudig, wie ein Held zum Siegen"! Must a hero have success or victory? or just be really awesome while on the road? :) Em - --- Debra Shea wrote: > --- Em wrote: > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth > > > > ...for those of you who, like I, need a bit of help > > with the Joseph > > Campbell/hero myth reference. > > :) > > Em > > Thanks, Em. Good idea to post more info (and I hope my > thoughts about Dylan as Hero are not too off-base, and > if they are... it was a helluva film anyway and I'm > still mysteriously in love). > > Here's another site I just found that makes Campbell's > hero steps very clear and looking at it quickly... > yep, ordinary beginnings, wise old man... I think I > remembered what I read years ago correctly: > http://www.skepticfiles.org/atheist2/hero.htm > > Debra Shea > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:36:28 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Kay Ashley's October shows njc now Kay, Thanks for the report. See below... You said, >I was very honored to have been asked to sing during the ceremony, and I did a rendition of "Eyes So Bright" for Alison and Scotty, the hunky man she managed to snare. Must be some dark magic at work.... ;-D LOL no, but seriously, Alison was absolutely gorgeous in her gown and she cried at every turn -- a new, tender side to Alison that none of us is really familiar with. ;-D And guess what!! I caught the bouquet!! No shit!! OK, since I'm not even dating anyone right now, the universe better conspire in my favor pretty damn quick!> You mean, you thought, >Dis bouquet's craa-zy >Look at this town / there's no men left I'm glad to see you're working on another collection. Except for Sherelle, it's been too quiet among JMDL writers and players lately. Jim L'Hommedieu, who shot concert photos of Sherelle Cary Smith before her first concert: http://home.fuse.net/jlamadoo/SHERELLE_composite_2002_by_Lama.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 19:08:01 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Dylan as Hero [was Ebert on Dylan film] NJC / hero myth - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Em" > hi Debra, got to admit, I never thought of Bob as a hero before.... I think of him kind of as .....a down and out hero, like Woody Guthrie. Ok, so I was listening to Highway 61 Revisited on my way home from the Red Cross today. 'Desolation Row' was about 3/4s of the way through its 11 + minutes as I pulled in to my driveway and I wondered, 'What the hell does Bob Dylan know about being down and out? Or on the the street? Or being the drifter that Woody Guthrie was?' Correct me if I'm wrong. He came from a middle class family in Hibbing Minnesota. Went to NYC where he knocked around the coffee house/Greenwich Village scene for awhile. Sure, he slept on people's couches and probably didn't get regular meals but I never got the idea that he was like one of the homeless people I see on the streets of Seattle. I got the feeling that nobody ever went hungry or without a roof to sleep under in that community. He hooked up with Joan Baez, toured with her, lived with her in California for a brief period of time, eventually got a record deal with Columbia, ditched Joan, threw off the whole image of political activist folk singer, started recording and singing his own songs his own way and became a media superstar. Where's the gritty, drifter, scratching in the dirt, down and out, business come from?? Don't get me wrong. I'm not slagging the guy. I'm just trying to understand him. My attitude about Dylan has been slowly evolving over the past few years. I bought some of his cds and actually listened to his music, sung, played and recorded by him. I am *very* intrigued and the way he plays with words is amazing. But does it mean anything? Does it have to mean anything? I have also been able to open myself up to the idea that a song lyric doesn't have to read in a straight-forward literal way in order to say or suggest something or make me feel something. Rickie Lee Jones has had a lot to do with that. I guess part of me is ready to admit that Bob Dylan is a genius. But there's still this nagging little Doubting Thomas down in me somewhere that wonders if he's a shyster. He certainly wrote some beautiful songs that you don't have to be an English lit major to understand. But there are others that sound impressive and mysterious and full of hidden meaning, maybe something akin to stream of consciousness....but are they really? Or are they just Bobby, playing with words, fitting them together to see which combinations sound good? And if that's the case, does it really matter or detract from their beauty? I'm just not sure. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:42:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John Low Subject: Re: Joni in the Blue Mountains of Australia Hello Bob and anyone else that might remember me!, Yes, I am still around but playing the role of hibernating grizzly bear pretty successfully of late. I always thought my destiny was to become a hermit - though I have to admit this is not easy when you have a family! :-) I just don't spend a lot of time on the internet anymore as my eyes have been giving me a bit of trouble and I find that the time I have to spend at work on the computer is usually quite enough for the day. While I've dropped out of a few other discussion lists I still visit the JMDL to see what's going on - I guess I just can't bring myself to sever the connection. I had seen something about the Joni tribute concert at Tris Elies and would certainly like to attend. After all, it is only up the road! A late Sunday night is the only problem as I have to get up early the next morning. I've never been much of night person and as I get older even less so. But I know my daughter will be interested so we'll see. If I go I'll report to the group, I promise. Cheers to all, and especially to you Bob, my old (in terms of our acquaintance, that is!) mate keeping the faith in South Carolina. John Bob Muller wrote: Sunday 6th November: Joni Mitchell Tribute: local musicians playing some classic tunes. Tris Elies nightclub, Katoomba. Starts 9pm, $5 entry. http://www.blufm.org.au/ I'm betting that my buddy John Low will be there - how about it, John, or are you still the hibernating Grizzly Bear? Bob NP: Bonnie, "Cool, Clear Water" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:53:50 -0400 From: "janine sherman" Subject: Always amazed to hear of another longtime Joni fan's history Dear Donna in NC, Reading your post is like opening my heart. I have many emotional parallels to yours in my conversion to Joni story. Abeit, I grew up in Ohio and had a few more comrades in my Joni camp in college in the 70's who were lucky, like me, to be able to see her live in Cleveland in '72 with Paul Simon/ James Taylor on the McGovern campaign. I also fell in with Ladies of the Canyon and then lost touch with her after marriage, kids. When I watched the TNT Tribute show in 2000 I bawled my eyes out uncontrollably and had to go searching for more. Like you, found the JMDL and read endlessly. The rest is recent history. In 2001 my family took a cruise to Alaska with a few extra days in Vancouver. Below is a snippet of the story of us looking for Joni! The "meltdown" reference is to when I was fortunate enough to sit behind Joni at the Toronto Hommage Tribute. I can still visualize every glistening strand of her flaxen hair and hear her every murmur to Klein, her seat mate. This place is a haven for those of us with that Joni feeling. Welcome and I hope you can gather from 2002 post where her place is in relation to Vancouver. Janine in Gettysburg, PA - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherman" To: ; ; Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 10:21 PM Subject: BC > Hi everyone, > > Just got back from a nice breather on the water in VA, sorry, not in BC! > About that piece of heaven up there... thanks for the interest in my post > from last year when we were sniffing around up there. > What was most striking to me, other than the sheer beauty of the area, was > that you have to ferry over to get to the Sunshine Coast. We were there on > Canada Day 2001 and there were little girls with big red ribbons in their > hair waving Maple Leaf flags waiting, like us for the ferry. As we parked > our rental car (belly full of cars) and went up top, I kept thinking that > everytime Joni came up from LA she would have waited for one of these > ferry > boats, just like we were doing. I have some great pictures I can scan to > the > JoniMitchellfans@yahoogroups. Yes, it is an absolutely gorgeous slice of > this continent. The funniest part of that trip was me running into that > place she talks about in PPWM (knitting story) and inquiring about her. > They > were very protective and tried to steer me clear of the area not wanting > me > to get too close and then stopping at the other nearby bar and them > telling > us down to the km marker where it was. Yes, Sechelt and Half Moon Cay > would > be a perfect backdrop for some stunning artistic expression- lots of green > water in motion there in that Strait of Georgia (or something like that , > I'll have to go look at my pix and video.) My wonderful not-a-fan-of-Joni > husband tried so hard to help me locate her place up there, so I could > maybe > glimpse a part of her, see where she wrote those songs. It was sweet and > the kids in the back seat were worried that Mom was a stalker. I can > safely > say they were all relieved when I had my Encounter of the JONI kind in > Toronto. Thank goodness they were not there to witness my "meltdown" of > the > century. Thanks for reminding me that I am a die hard Joni fan. > When IS that new album coming out? > > The best, > > Janine ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #381 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)