From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #369 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 27 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 369 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Bit torrent tracker sjc [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Winners! NJC [Catherine McKay ] World Caf=?ISO-8859-1?B?6SA=?=today starts with Coyote [Patti Witten ] Fwd: Re: njc Women & veterinarians in the Bush FDA [cindy vickery ] 100 greatest guitar heroes ["Laurent Olszer" ] KT Tunstall njc [Garret ] organizing CD's, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Joni bumper stickers ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: KT Tunstall njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: organizing CD's, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Close To the Edge/NJC ["mike pritchard" ] RE: KT Tunstall njc ["Azeem" ] Re: Close To the Edge/NJC [Michael Paz ] Random playlists njc ["Azeem" ] RE: KT Tunstall njc [Garret ] Re: KT Tunstall njc [Garret ] Re: organizing CD's, njc [Bob Muller ] Re: Close To the Edge/NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Fwd: Re: njc Women & veterinarians in the Bush FDA [vince ] Re: Joni bumper stickers [Jamie Zubairi ] Subject: RE: DYLAN: MONDAY and TUESDAY NIGHTS, njc ["Michael O'Malley" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:48:38 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: JMDL Bit torrent tracker sjc Hi Deb. BitTorrent is one way of file sharing (downloading music, movies, software via the internet). Peer To Peer is the other way. P2P is good for downloading individual songs, software and movies. You need a "client" for that. For Windows, Kazaa seems to be the most popular. I have a Mac and recommend aqulite or iSwipe. BitTorrent is a good way to download entire albums, full length feature films and games. You also need a "client" for it. I recommend the original "BitTorrent" client http://www.bittorrent.com/index.html Once you've got BitTorrent, go to any of a number of websites that have torrent files and choose whichever you're interested in (check how big the actual file will be - movies are huge) and follow the links to download the torrent file. They are usually only a couple of kbs. Double click it and BitTorrent will start up and start downloading it when it finds peers who are "seeding" it. JMDL has a torrent section. Here are some other sites http://www.dimeadozen.org/ This one has a multitude of Joni material. http://www.torrentspy.com/ http://torrentreactor.net/ Mark in Sydney NP Harry's House (Demo) - JM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 04:33:20 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Winners! NJC Laura and Gary are the winners!! Dolly Partin was the correct answer. Thanks to all who participated...I loved it! It's amazing that they were able to unscramble this because as Julius pointed out....... I had one too many o's. Bree Ps. Gary...I need your address. (I have your old one) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:01:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Winners! NJC - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Laura and Gary are the winners!! > > > Dolly Partin was the correct answer. Thanks to all > who participated...I > loved it! > Are you sure you didn't mean Polly Dartin? Who is Dolly Partin? A spoof of Dolly Parton? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:03:14 -0400 From: Patti Witten Subject: World Caf=?ISO-8859-1?B?6SA=?=today starts with Coyote Heads up: World Cafe -- September 27, 2005 http://www.worldcafe.org starts with Joni Mitchell, Coyote (Hejira). Looks like a good show. Patti - -- Patti Witten http://pattiwitten.com Hurricane Katrina Aid - Donate to: - - The American Red Cross National Disaster Fund http://redcross.org - - The ASPCA Disaster Relief Fund http://tinyurl.com/bx2wd - - The American Humane Society Disaster Relief Teams https://secure.hsus.org/01/disaster_relief_fund_2005/ - - Sycamore Tryst: profits to Red Cross http://cdbaby.com/witten3 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:13:41 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni Bumper stickers idea, and a formal request > In a message dated 9/26/2005 10:05:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, > emzdogz@yahoo.com writes: > > the Dylan show BLEW it away.... > > Just a blowin' in the wind ain'tcha Em? > > Love, > Laura > Loved every minute of it. For those of who haven't, do read his Chronicles. Makes me long for a real Joni autobiography. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:26:57 -0400 From: Patti Witten Subject: Re: Joni Bumper stickers idea, and a formal request Laura wrote: > If anybody open's up a Joni bumper sticker business, I only have one > request. I would like a sticker that says, "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter." > Pretty please with sugar on top. Just tell me where to send the cash. And Em wrote: > I think its real important to note (or at least it feels that way) that > I think neither I nor Patti Witten's bumpersticker thang is a > "business", really, no way no how. Because that would be > wrooooooooooonnnnnnnnngggggggggg. I'm not approaching it as a business, either, it's just for fun. There are hundreds of dollars to be made in folk music; that's enough for me. LOL. A DJRD sticker is a good idea. However, my cafipress "store" is in the basic shop category. Basic shops may contain only one of each type of product. This means I'm limited to 3 sticker design choices at a time. I'd have to pay a monthly subscription fee to offer more. I only take pennies in markup and plan to donate some of the profit to to jmdl.com but perhaps sales will justify the cost of a store with more product choices. Here's the link again in case you missed it http://cafepress.com/pattiwitten Patti - -- Patti Witten http://pattiwitten.com Hurricane Katrina Aid - Donate to: - - The American Red Cross National Disaster Fund http://redcross.org - - The ASPCA Disaster Relief Fund http://tinyurl.com/bx2wd - - The American Humane Society Disaster Relief Teams https://secure.hsus.org/01/disaster_relief_fund_2005/ - - Sycamore Tryst: profits to Red Cross http://cdbaby.com/witten3 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:21:32 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Joni on the soccer field Joni People, Joni People, JONI PEOPLE! Joni would be a great cheerleader, for sure, and a great coach. But most of all, she is undisputably: M V P ! Most valuable player! Most valuable poet! Most valuable painter! Most valuable person! Most valuable personality! Most valuabe pianist! Most valuable post-impressionist! Most valuable peoples' partier! Most valuable persona! Most valuable peace-lover! Most valuable parolee from the petty wars! Most valuable pearl! Most valuable philospher! Most valuable power! Most valuable provost and professor of JMU! Most valuable psychotherapist! Most valuable parleur de peridots et periwinkles! And you know....... Have I made my case (of you) for MVP now? Okay, now for that damned hockey -- I mean soccer -- game... Jeff, I *love* it that you think Joni while playing soccer! You hear Joni voices in your head? Hmmmm.....verrrry interrrresting! (Dr. Wally -- we miss you!) There is a strange strange boy in Norway (Hello, Oddmund!) that once confessed that problem, which led me to out myself. Yes. My name is Patti and I have chronic JMOCD in all situations -- in love, in parenting, in friendship, at work, travelling in some vehicle, sitting in some cafe. Again and again the same situation, for so many years, tethered to a ringing Joni-phone, in a room full of Joni-mirrors. I see something of Joni in everyone, just at this moment of the world. I'm sorry to tell you there is no cure, no treatment. Well, I supposed one could stay off this list, but the Joni-love always sucks you back this way, so just let the wind carry you -- on and off the field. I would really love to know which lines run through your heart and mind while playing soccer. JMOCD during soccer games is a new one to me. I don't think Joni cares about sports at all -- even when she can't wait to get back to LA, City of the Fallen Angels, I never see her at Lakers' games sitting next to Jack Nicholson...LOL! Hey, if you give me some good Joni lines and cheers, maybe I can use them today when the Red Sox play two games (I'm hoping two games are better than one in this race for the pennant -- n'est-ce pas, Anne?) And you have a Joni Jukebox in your head?! I love that one, too! Now just don't wreck your soccer stockings while doing a dive on the field! I call my Joni Jukebox my Wurlitzer: -- put a word in -- any word that Joni has ever used -- and the thing begins to whirr, and I can't shut it off. How do you stop a runaway train? How do you stop the driving rain? How do you stop the ripening corn? How do you stop a baby being born? How do you stop Before it's too late? I don't know....I don't know..... But I *do* know that I get my kicks, on the Joni List! Love, Patti P., wishing she wore her kick-pleat skirt today P.S. And during your next soccer game, Jeff, picture us on the sidelines screaming: "Go, Joni-Jeff! Go!!!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:17:45 -0700 (PDT) From: cindy vickery Subject: Fwd: Re: njc Women & veterinarians in the Bush FDA meant to send this to all. whoops. cindy vickery wrote:Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 06:49:54 -0700 (PDT) From: cindy vickery Subject: Re: njc Women & veterinarians in the Bush FDA To: vince just to make this easier to google, the vet's name is Lester Crawford he's been acting chief of the FDA since mid-2002. i'm proud to say he's from demopolis, alabama. : ( love you, vince. cindy a link, anyhow - http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aQBKIAvNJpXM&refer=us# vince wrote: Yes, the FDA appointed a veterinarian to oversee women's health issues. - --------------------------------- - --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:40:24 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: njc Women & veterinarians in the Bush FDA Crawford was the veterinarian who appointed the veterinarian to head Women's health issues - (sounds like a folk song) from the Fort wayne Journal prior to veterinarian Crawford's resignation, on Crawford's nomination of veterianarian Norris Alderson to be the head of Women's health issues for the FDA http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/news/editorial/12702241.htm: FDA leadership There was a time when women were seen as little more than property and shared the same status as livestock in the social hierarchy. But times have changed and men are beginning to see women as their equals. Well, at least thats what women were telling themselves until word spread that Lester Crawford, the Bush administrations controversial Food and Drug Administration leader, appointed a veterinarian to lead the Office of Womens Health. It is a little too telling that Crawford thought the appropriate person to oversee womens health is a man who specializes in animal husbandry. Last week the FDA sent out a press release announcing the appointment of Norris Alderson as the acting director of the Office of Womens Health. Alderson, a longtime FDA official, is associate commissioner for science at the FDAs Center for Veterinary Science. New leadership at the Office of Womens Health is needed because the respected former director, Dr. Susan Wood, resigned in protest after FDA leadership allowed politics rather than science to govern the decision about making emergency contraception more accessible. The appointment of Alderson quickly, and understandably, drew the ire of womens advocacy groups. The FDA removed the initial release naming Alderson and quickly issued a revised release naming Theresa Toigo as the acting director. Toigo is a 20-year veteran of the FDA who also serves as the director of the office of Special Health Issues. The former director told a Washington Post reporter she thought Toigo was a good choice. Shes a very capable and dedicated person who will do an excellent job, Wood said. Now, the FDA is denying it ever made the wrongheaded appointment. Many womens health advocates see this as just the latest in a long string of mistakes at the FDA. And many feel that the mistakes started with the appointment of Crawford as FDA commissioner. Crawford, who does not have a strong reputation for being an advocate for women, has displayed questionable leadership with his inability to let science rather than ideology rule at the FDA. Perhaps this latest incident should prompt the Bush administration to seek his resignation and appoint someone who sees women as more than animals. - -------------- Original message -------------- > meant to send this to all. whoops. > > cindy vickery wrote:Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 06:49:54 > -0700 (PDT) > From: cindy vickery > Subject: Re: njc Women & veterinarians in the Bush FDA > To: vince > > just to make this easier to google, the vet's name is Lester Crawford > he's been acting chief of the FDA since mid-2002. > i'm proud to say he's from demopolis, alabama. : ( > > love you, vince. > > cindy > > a link, anyhow - > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aQBKIAvNJpXM&refer=us# > > vince wrote: > Yes, the FDA appointed a veterinarian to oversee women's health issues. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:41:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni on the soccer field - --- Patti Parlette wrote: > Joni People, Joni People, JONI PEOPLE! > > > > Joni would be a great cheerleader, for sure, and a > great coach. But most of > all, she is undisputably: > > M V P ! > Here's mes deux cennes on that. I don't think Joni would make a good cheerleader, because, whether she's the blonde in the bleachers or not, she doesn't seem to like other musicians, with a very few exceptions. I can hardly hear her cheering them on. And I don't think she would make a good coach, for the same reason. How do you coach people if you think they all suck? MVP I could probably go for. Joni is THE STAR. On the other hand, I don't see her being a team player at all, so you'd have to choose a sport that doesn't involve a team. Because she's multi-talented, then it should be an - -athlon of some kind (bi-, tri-, whatever.) I could see her doing that goofy biathlon thing, where you ski and then you shoot, for some reason. (And the point of that particular competition would be...?) However, I can heartily agree with "hearing" Joni in my head at times, so hearing Joni on the soccer field, or anywhere else for that matter, makes a great deal of sense to me. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:59:33 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: 100 greatest guitar heroes Today I was walking on the Champs Elysees when my eye was attracted to a picture of Jimi at a newstand. It was the cover of a British magazine from this month called "The 100 greatest guitar heroes". Lo and behold, Joni made the list at #72, with 3 full color pages, which is more than most other guitarists. Also she's the only woman in the list! Nice article fairly well written, except for a picture of "Joni and former husband Graham Nash". The writter stresses that the reasons Joni made the list is her incredible tunings and a corollary that she plays guitar like no other. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:01:07 +0100 From: Garret Subject: KT Tunstall njc I saw that on the Mercury show too. Until then i had sort of dismissed her as another Katie Melua. I didn't know who sang that song, and, furthermore, i had thought the Wooo Hoooo was lifted from an Annie Lennox song but could not say which one. Yup. Wasn't Antony amazing on that show? I picked up the album by Seth Lakeman the next day. It's worth a listen too. Not my usual cup of tea (it has just started to rain again) but very good. GARRET NP- Tom Waits, In Between Love From: Lucy Hone Latest must have CD is "Eye to the Telescope" K T Tunstall........ Amazing female singer , Chinese born and adopted into a Scottish Family........great voice...fantastic songs, www.kttunstall.com for biog and downloads... we watched openmouthed as she performed Big Black Horse and the Cherry Tree on the Mercury Awards. She first of all sampled her guitar fret ryhthm, then put on the WOO HOO, then a clap or two, then sang a bit and sampled her chorus and got that going too and the whole thing was a wonderful example of what a really modern musician can achieve....with a few foot pedals, a huge acoustic guitar and a sampler. Just fab. Off to start supper and have a look for more jobs... Lulu, queen of the kitchen. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:17:16 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: organizing CD's, njc Okay, so what are you all using in your homes to keep the cd's in order? We have to get ours organized and have been searching for many months for just the right thing. Just the right piece of furniture. . but not too cumbersome. I guess it al depends on the space you want to put them and how many. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:29:26 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Joni bumper stickers Hi Patti and everyone. . and Laura. Laura, I like your idea. . . Don Juans Reckless Daughter Can we do that Patti with the copyright? I wish so. I have wanted one for years that simply says; Joni Mitchell. Preferably in her signature. (but anything that says Joni Mitchell will do) What I prefer most is the clear decals for the window. I think they could last longer (the clear ones with a design or words) and they are not so hard to take off. yep, I would like a decent size "Joni Mitchell" decale. Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:51:48 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Bumper stickers idea, and a formal request Hi Ya'll, If anybody open's up a Joni bumper sticker business, I only have one request. I would like a sticker that says, "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter." Pretty please with sugar on top. Just tell me where to send the cash. Love, Laura _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:34:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: KT Tunstall njc - --- Garret wrote: > I saw that on the Mercury show too. Until then i > had sort of dismissed her as > another Katie Melua. I didn't know who sang that > song, and, furthermore, i had > thought the Wooo Hoooo was lifted from an Annie > Lennox song but could not say > which one. Yup. > > Wasn't Antony amazing on that show? > > I picked up the album by Seth Lakeman the next day. > It's worth a listen too. > Not my usual cup of tea (it has just started to rain > again) but very good. > GARRET > Seeing both of your names in the same e-mail gossping about Brit-y things reminds me of the little bits of "Little Britain" that you both and Lizzie did at Fest 05. And THAT reminds me that, within the last couple of weeks, those have come out on DVD here - but to buy, not to rent, f*ckitall. Maybe they will be available to rent shortly, or there's a video store up the street from where I work that tends to have the more unusual stuff to rent (not the top 10s that everyone else has). I've never heard of KT Tunstall or Katie Melua though, so carry on. P.S. It rained like crap here yesterday morning and I arrived at work soaked through. Remnants of Rita. Today is clear and sunny. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:52:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: organizing CD's, njc - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Okay, so what are you all using in your homes to > keep the cd's in order? > > We have to get ours organized and have been > searching for many months for > just the right thing. > > Just the right piece of furniture. . but not too > cumbersome. > > I guess it al depends on the space you want to put > them and how many. > > Marianne > > It also depends on how much money you have, and how much you're willing to spend. I want something that looks really nice, organizes things logically without fear of it falling over and killing me, and that is CHEAP! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:31:37 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Close To the Edge/NJC >>This CD is incredible from start to finish, starting with the title suite and followed by And You & I & Siberian Khatru; boy it just doesn't get much better in the world of prog-rock albums.<< This is a compliment, right? mike in bcn np Patsy Barber - Too Rich For My Blood ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:51:54 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: KT Tunstall njc Garret wrote: << I saw that on the Mercury show too. Until then i had sort of dismissed her as another Katie Melua. I didn't know who sang that song, and, furthermore, i had thought the Wooo Hoooo was lifted from an Annie Lennox song but could not say which one. Yup. >> KT Tunstall was a regular at the dear, departed Kashmir Klub two or three years ago, and from the first time I saw her I thought she was a terrific performer; she was also a sound person, from what I could tell, very gracious when I went up to her after she'd performed and told her how much I enjoyed her stuff. She wasn't using the live self-sampling (which, just to be clear, doesn't actually involve using a sampler, such as a Fairlight; they use very rudimentary echo and looping pedals, building up one layer at a time) at the time, although another KK performer, Tamara Williamson, did use it, to stunning effect - if anyone gets a chance to see Tamara live, don't miss her. Those in Canada have the best chance, as she lives there now. Anyway, back to KT Tunstall. I haven't heard her album all the way through yet; I haven't been bowled over by the songs I have heard, though she herself has suggested it's a bit smoother than she would have chosen, and I suspect her next one may be more interesting. However, Garret, PLEASE don't even mention her in the same paragraph as the dreadful Katie Melua! This winsome young thing sold a lot of records last year on the basis of a ghastly ditty called The Closest Thing To Crazy, a rare song that I HATED viscerally within seconds of hearing it. Her career has been masterminded by Mike Batt, a man who used to dress up as a Womble to make a living. She can't even sing in tune. I'll sit down and breathe deeply now. No offence, Garret ;) Azeem in London - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:02:39 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Close To the Edge/NJC I have been meaning to reply to the current Yes thread. As some of you may know, my pal Jeff is their FOH engineer now (his house in Bay St. Louis, Mississippi made it by the way) and I have a large number of Yes shows in my collection now. Here is a partial list if anyone is interested. The Oxford show is really interesting. It was a small crowd of about 2000. A fundraiser and Yes played an acoustic set that is excellent. You can check the set lists at http://forgottenyesterdays.com/tour_listing.asp?s=5&tname=24&SortBy=tDate&so =asc&navb=4 Or yesworld.com Best Paz NP-Someone More Like You- Nickle Creek (this album ROCKS) Yes-Quebec City Canada-4-18-79-Tormato Tour (great recording) (2CDR) Yes-The Perfect Union (2 Disc CD Bootleg Gleefully NOT PAID FOR) Yes- Masterworks Tour (1 CDR) Yes-Tormato Tour (2CDR) Yes-Relayer Tour (1 CDR) Yes-Drama Tour (1 CDR) Yes-Boston Mass.-Orpheum Theater-9-11-99 (2CDR) Yes-Symphonic Tour-Sheffield England 12-11-01 (3CDR) Yes-Universal Amp.-Los Angeles, Cal. 12-05-02 2CDR Mixed My J. Gex ***** Yes-The Backyard, Austin, Texas 8-16-02 2CDR Mixed by J. Gex ***** Yes-Excerpts from July 3, 2003 Birmingham England (1CDR LondonStudio) Yes-Where The Lens Is Wide-Boston Gardens, Boston, Mass.-9-9-1980 (2CDR) Yes-Live in Tulsa 11-26-97 (2 CDR) Yes-Atlanta 4-28-2004 Board Mix Yes-Sunrise, Florida 4-30-2004 Board Mix Yes-Philadelphia 5-10-2004 Board Mix Yes-Helsinki 6-2-2004 Board Mix Yes-Stockholm 6-4-2004 Board Mix Yes-Warsaw 6-7-2004 Board Mix Yes-Munich 6-10-04 (3CDR) Board Mix Yes-Dusseldorf 6-12-2004 Board Mix Yes-Antwerp 6-15-2004 Board Mix Yes-London 6-16-2004 Board Mix Yes-Birmingham-6-18-2004 Board Mix Yes-Manchester 6-19-2004 Board Mix Yes-Glasgow 6-20-2004 Board Mix Yes-Paris 6-22-2004 Board Mix Yes-Frankfurt 6-23-04 (3CDR) Board Mix Yes-Brescia 7-7-2004 Board Mix Yes-Lugano 7-8-2004 Board Mix Yes-Quebec, Canada 8-17-2004 (2CDR) Board Mix Yes-Montreal, Canada 8-18-2004 (2CDR) Board Mix Yes-Jones Beach 8-28-2004 (2CDR) Board Mix Yes-London, Ontario 8-30-04 (2CDR) Board Mix Yes-Minneapolis, Minnesota 9-07-2004 (2CDR) Board Mix Yes-Merriville, Indiana 9-08-2004 (2CDR) Board Mix Yes-Red Rocks, Colorado 9-10-2004 (2CDR) Board Mix Yes-Loveland, Colorado 9-11-2004 (2CDR) Board Mix Yes-New Mexico 9-13-2004 (2CDR) Board mix Yes-Mesa, Arizona 9-14-2004 (2CDR) Board mix >>> This CD is incredible from start to finish, starting with the title suite > and followed by And You & I & Siberian Khatru; boy it just doesn't get much > better in the world of prog-rock albums.<< > > This is a compliment, right? > > mike in bcn > np Patsy Barber - Too Rich For My Blood ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:19:25 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: Random playlists njc A lot of magazines now run features where various luminaries are asked to hit the Shuffle button on their I-pod and talk about what songs come up. As many of us now have Ipods or other MP3 players, or in my case an I-poor, I thought perhaps a few of us might like to spill the beans. I suggest going for the first ten songs that come up, *whatever* they are: no cheating or cred-boosting! Ill go first. My I-poor (a Sony Discman) takes disks that each have about 30 albums on, so I havent got as wide a pool as a 20 Mb I-pod. Strangely, although there are roughly the same number of male and female singers on the disk Im using at the moment, all but one of the first ten songs that came up on shuffle today have female voices. Go figure... Julia Fordham - For you Only For You - from her second album, Porcelain; sweet tune, though she doesnt hit every note spot-on Mathilde Santing - Guilty - from her wonderful album of Randy Newman songs Jill Sobule - Evian - from her debut album, Things Here Are Different, which she seems not to like much now - I love it, though Paul - Bird - Paul is a woman! She now goes by the name of Paul The Girl, to avoid confusion. A real curio, this, and I know nothing about her Jill Sobule - Life Goes on Without You - as above Keane - Bedshaped - another band of Sensitive Young Men, better than most of that ilk. I really like this song Laura Nyro - Trees of the Ages - from Mothers Spiritual, not one of her greatest albums, though she never made a bad one Gladys K - Youre the Best Thing that Ever Happened to me - no introduction needed Candi Staton - Heart on a String - fascinating that this follows Gladys, as there are similarities in their voices, though Candis is grittier Laura Nyro - Roadnotes - as above Anyone else wanna play? Azeem in London - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:21:05 +0100 From: Garret Subject: RE: KT Tunstall njc Quoting Azeem : > However, Garret, PLEASE don't even mention her in the same paragraph as > the dreadful Katie Melua! This winsome young thing sold a lot of > records last year on the basis of a ghastly ditty called The Closest > Thing To Crazy, a rare song that I HATED viscerally within seconds of > hearing it. Her career has been masterminded by Mike Batt, a man who > used to dress up as a Womble to make a living. She can't even sing in > tune. > > I'll sit down and breathe deeply now. No offence, Garret ;) > No no - you are totally right. Katie Melua really grates something in me. I would use the word insipid. her new album has been/is being released soon and the ads are all over the TV - something about bicycles. I've said it before, and will say it again (and probably again and again): I was sitting in a cafe in Highgate one day and Lilac Wine sung by Katie Melua came on. I could not believe how utterly lifeless it sounded. I definitely like KT Tunstall's singles. I have not heard the album, but will probably get it after seeing her on the Mercury award show. I had heard and liked that cherry tree song, but had not known who it was. I would be interested in something a little more challenging from her. GARRET - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:25:07 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: KT Tunstall njc Quoting Catherine McKay : > > Seeing both of your names in the same e-mail gossping > about Brit-y things reminds me of the little bits of > "Little Britain" that you both and Lizzie did at Fest > 05. And THAT reminds me that, within the last couple > of weeks, those have come out on DVD here - but to > buy, not to rent, f*ckitall. Maybe they will be > available to rent shortly, or there's a video store up > the street from where I work that tends to have the > more unusual stuff to rent (not the top 10s that > everyone else has). > Oh yea, that was funny. I have now started to love The Catherine Tate show too. Similar to Little Britain in some ways, so there's another one for the list:-) GARRET - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:34:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: organizing CD's, njc Subject: Re: Close To the Edge/NJC This is a compliment, right?> Yes, of the highest order. What's a better Progressive Rock album than Close To The Edge? In my opinion there's not a dull second on it; self-indulgent, sure, after all that's what prog-rock is all about. (The Yes Album is not far behind it) While there are much better prog-rock songs than these 3, the other albums that come to mind (ELP, King Crimson, Genesis) are all flawed in one way or another*. And Radio Paradise plays a lot of songs by a band called Porcupine Tree that are all excellent *I say that having never heard Genesis' "Lamb Lies Down On Broadway" in its entirety, a situation I need to rememdy soon. Bob NP: John Hiatt, "Native Son" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:49:03 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: njc Women & veterinarians in the Bush FDA cindy vickery wrote: > >love you, vince. > >cindy > > > > Cindy, back at you; and if it ever is of importance to you, I can recommend some really good veterinarians. :-) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:02:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Random playlists njc Hi Azeem, played this off iTunes instead (which my iPod mirrors exactly) because, grrrrrrrrrrr..my iPod went brain-dead today. :( ay conyo..gotta ship it to Apple. Anyway in shuffle mode, out of 734 songs, this is what happened: Joan Baez "Geordie" Night Ranger "Sister Christian"...yes I'm a little embarrassed.. John Prine "Dear Abby" Smashmouth "Walking On the Sun" Robert Hunter, solo "Brown Eyed Women and Red Grenadine" The Holy Modal Rounders "Better Things For You" The Roches "Adeste Fideles" Dwight Yoakam and Flaco Jimenez "Carmelita" Dylan "Idiot Wind" Richard Shindell "Sparrows Point" :) Em - --- Azeem wrote: > A lot of magazines now run features where various luminaries are > asked > to hit the Shuffle button on their I-pod and talk about what songs > come > up. As many of us now have Ipods or other MP3 players, or in my case > an > I-poor, I thought perhaps a few of us might like to spill the beans. > I > suggest going for the first ten songs that come up, *whatever* they > are: > no cheating or cred-boosting! > > Ill go first. My I-poor (a Sony Discman) takes disks that each have > about 30 albums on, so I havent got as wide a pool as a 20 Mb I-pod. > Strangely, although there are roughly the same number of male and > female > singers on the disk Im using at the moment, all but one of the first > ten songs that came up on shuffle today have female voices. Go > figure... > > Julia Fordham - For you Only For You - from her second album, > Porcelain; > sweet tune, though she doesnt hit every note spot-on > Mathilde Santing - Guilty - from her wonderful album of Randy Newman > songs > Jill Sobule - Evian - from her debut album, Things Here Are > Different, > which she seems not to like much now - I love it, though > Paul - Bird - Paul is a woman! She now goes by the name of Paul The > Girl, to avoid confusion. A real curio, this, and I know nothing > about > her > Jill Sobule - Life Goes on Without You - as above > Keane - Bedshaped - another band of Sensitive Young Men, better than > most of that ilk. I really like this song > Laura Nyro - Trees of the Ages - from Mothers Spiritual, not one of > her > greatest albums, though she never made a bad one > Gladys K - Youre the Best Thing that Ever Happened to me - no > introduction needed > Candi Staton - Heart on a String - fascinating that this follows > Gladys, > as there are similarities in their voices, though Candis is grittier > Laura Nyro - Roadnotes - as above > > Anyone else wanna play? > > Azeem in London > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: > 23/09/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:10:52 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: Joni bumper stickers If we can't do that due to copyright, then surely it should read 'Don Juan's Reckless Driver' Idunno... it's late and I should be in bed as we have a show tomorrow matinee and evening... I love the idea of Joni related bumper stickers... I think, with permission, they should have 'www.jmdl.com' on them in small writing, so when you're parked, people might just read them, just for promotions' sake.... Much Joni Jamie Zoob x Marianne Rizzo wrote: Hi Patti and everyone. . and Laura. Laura, I like your idea. . . Don Juans Reckless Daughter - --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:17:08 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Subject: RE: DYLAN: MONDAY and TUESDAY NIGHTS, njc Wow, I'm no big fan of Dylan, but Part 1 on Monday night was quite amazing. I discovered some incredible over-the-top artists I had never really heard of - Johnnie Ray, with his eccentric vocal styling; John Jacob Niles with his crazy falsetto - way before Joni; and Odetta, with her heavy soulful vocals and presence. Amazing to see Dylan turning people's heads (and ears) at such a young age, 20? Looking forward to Part 2 tonight. I do find the jumping back and forward through time to be a bit offputting, though. Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft. SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:02:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Subject: RE: DYLAN: MONDAY and TUESDAY NIGHTS, njc Well, he keeps using the same reference point though; that 1966 concert, so it's not so bad. What amazes me is that this 4-hour show is just covering Dylan's life & career up to 1966! That's the equivalent of covering Joni's career up to Blue or something. Not that that's a bad thing, I'm loving the Dylan film, but it seems a bit unfair for us Joni fans for her whole life & times/career to get distilled down to around 1.5 hours and as we all remember so much was left out. Oh well, I'm happy for whatever I get. Bob NP: Suzanne Vega, "Blood Makes Noise" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:20:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Subject: RE: DYLAN: MONDAY and TUESDAY NIGHTS, njc - --- Bob Muller wrote: > but it seems a > bit unfair for us Joni fans for her whole life & times/career to get > distilled down to around 1.5 hours and as we all remember so much was > left out. Hi Bob, are you referring to a film or video about Joni?? which one? I thought about Joni alot last night while watching the Dylan thing, for some reason. :) Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:41:21 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: PBS TV SPECIAL ON DYLAN: part 2 is TONIGHT, njc Part 2 of Dylan's life from 1961-1966 is tonight. I'm not a completist but I am an appreciator. Last night's 2 hours was cool indeed. The part I liked the best was when he was a scruffy street type in NYC, busking in coffeehouses, sleeping on couches, and stealing folk records. When he saw Ms. Joan Baez on tv he said, > "I thought to myself: HMMM-MMMM MMMM-mmmm. (a full measure of rest as the old guy assembles words, just right) That woman looks like she needs a... *sing*ing partner.'"> That's a lot of chutzpah for a kid from a strip mining town in Minnesota. My 2nd favorite part was when Joan Baez was helping him with a capo, laughing at his jokes, and saying, "Everyone warned me he was trouble and said that he was brilliant and funny. He was all that, and more." Everyone in NYC seemed chronically sleep-deprived, just like at a JMDL reunion. Or was hash? Just wondering, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 21:17:09 -0400 From: vince Subject: ebert on dylan film njc after reading this, I did not watch it Vince No Direction Home: Bob Dylan BY ROGER EBERT / September 20, 2005 It has taken me all this time to accept Bob Dylan as the extraordinary artist he clearly is, but because of a new documentary by Martin Scorsese , I can finally see him freed from my disenchantment. I am Dylan's age, and his albums were the soundtrack of my college years. I never got involved in the war his fans fought over his acoustic and electric styles: I liked them all, every one. Then in 1968, I saw "Don't Look Back " (1967), D.A. Pennebaker 's documentary about Dylan's 1965 tour of Great Britain. In my review, I called the movie "a fascinating exercise in self-revelation," and added: "The portrait that emerges is not a pretty one." Dylan is seen not as a "lone, ethical figure standing up against the phonies," I wrote, but is "immature, petty, vindictive, lacking a sense of humor, overly impressed with his own importance and not very bright." I felt betrayed. In "Don't Look Back ," he mercilessly puts down a student journalist, and is rude to journalists, hotel managers, fans. Although Joan Baez was the first to call him on her stage when he was unknown, after she joins the tour, he does not ask her to sing with him. Eventually she bails out and goes home. The film fixed my ideas about Dylan for years. Now Scorsese's "No Direction Home: Bob Dylan ," a 225-minute documentary that will play in two parts Sept. 26-27 on PBS (and comes out today on DVD), creates a portrait that is deep, sympathetic, perceptive and yet finally leaves Dylan shrouded in mystery, which is where he properly lives. The movie uses revealing interviews made recently by Dylan, but its subject matter is essentially the years between 1960, when he first came into view, and 1966, when after the British tour and a motorcycle accident, he didn't tour for eight years. He was born in 1941, and the career that made him an icon essentially happened between his 20th and 25th years. He was a young man from a Minnesota town who had the mantle of a generation placed, against his will, upon his shoulders. He wasn't at Woodstock; Arlo Guthrie was. Early footage of his childhood is typical of many Midwestern childhoods: the town of Hibbing, Minn., the homecoming parade, bands playing at dances, the kid listening to the radio and records. The early sounds he loved ran all the way from Hank Williams and Webb Pierce to Muddy Waters, the Carter Family and even Bobby Vee, a rock star so minor that young Robert Zimmerman for a time claimed to be Bobby Vee. He hitched a ride to New York (or maybe he didn't hitch; his early biography is filled with romantic claims, such as that he grew up in Gallup, N.M.). In Greenwich Village, he found the folk scene, and it found him. He sang songs by Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger and others, and then was writing his own. He caught the eye of Baez, and she mentored and promoted him. Within a year he was ... Dylan. The movie has a wealth of interviews with people who knew him at the time: Baez, Pete Seeger, Mike Seeger, Liam Clancy, Dave Von Ronk, Maria Muldaur, Peter Yarrow and promoters like Harold Leventhal. There is significantly no mention of Ramblin' Jack Elliott. The documentary "The Ballad of Ramblin' Jack " (2000) claims it was Elliott who introduced Dylan to Woody Guthrie, and suggested that he use a harmonica holder around his neck, and essentially defined his stage persona; "There wouldn't be no Bob Dylan without Ramblin' Jack," says Arlo Guthrie, who is also not in the Scorsese film. Dylan's new friends in music all admired the art but were ambivalent about the artist. Van Ronk smiles now about the way Dylan "borrowed" his "House of the Rising Sun." The Beat Generation, especially Jack Kerouac's On the Road, influenced Dylan, and there are many observations by the beat poet Allen Ginsberg , who says he came back from India, heard a Dylan album and wept, because he knew the torch had been passed to a new generation. It is Ginsberg who says the single most perceptive thing in the film: For him, Dylan stood atop a column of air. His songs and his ideas rose up from within him and emerged uncluttered and pure, as if his mind, soul, body and talent were all one. Dylan was embraced by the left-wing musical community of the day. His "Blowin' in the Wind" became an anthem of the civil rights movement. His "Only a Pawn in the Game" saw the killer of Medgar Evers as an insignificant cog in the machine of racism. Baez, Seeger, the Staple Singers, Odetta, Peter, Paul and Mary all sang his songs and considered him a fellow warrior. But Dylan would not be pushed or enlisted, and the crucial passages in this film show him drawing away from any attempt to define him. At the moment when he was being called the voice of his generation, he drew away from "movement" songs. A song like "Mr. Tambourine Man" was a slap in the face to his admirers, because it moved outside ideology. Baez, interviewed before a fireplace in the kitchen of her home, still with the same beautiful face and voice, is the one who felt most betrayed: Dylan broke her heart. His change is charted through the Newport Folk Festival: early triumph, the summit in 1964 when Johnny Cash gave him his guitar, the beginning of the end with the electric set in 1965. He was backed by Michael Bloomfield and the Butterfield Blues Band in a folk-rock-blues hybrid that his fans hated. When he took the new sound on tour the Hawks (later the Band), audiences wanted the "protest songs," and shouted "Judas!" and "What happened to Woody Guthrie?" when he came onstage. Night after night, he opened with an acoustic set that was applauded, and then came back with the band and was booed. "Dylan made it pretty clear he didn't want to do all that other stuff," Baez says, talking of political songs, "but I did." It was the beginning of the Vietnam era, and Dylan had withdrawn. When he didn't ask Baez onstage to sing with him on the British tour, she says quietly, "It hurt." But what was happening inside Dylan? Was he the jerk portrayed in "Don't Look Back "? Scorsese looks more deeply. He shows countless news conferences where Dylan is assigned leadership of his generation and assaulted with inane questions about his role, message and philosophy. A photographer asks him, "Suck your glasses" for a picture. He is asked how many protest singers he thinks there are: "There are 136." At the 1965 Newport festival, Pete Seeger recalls, "The band was so loud, you couldn't understand one word. I kept shouting, 'Get that distortion out! If I had an ax, I'd chop the mike cable right now!' " For Seeger, it was always about the words and the message. For Dylan, it was about the words and then it became about the words and the music, and it was never particularly about the message. Were drugs involved in these years? The movie makes not the slightest mention of them, except obliquely in a scene where Dylan and Johnny Cash do a private duet of "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry," and it's clear they're both stoned. There is sad footage near the end of the British tour, when Dylan says he is so exhausted: "I shouldn't be singing tonight." The archival footage comes from many sources, including documentaries by Pennebaker and Murray Lerner ("Festival "). Many of the interviews were conducted by Michael Borofsky, and Jeff Rosen was a key contributor. But Scorsese provides the master vision, and his factual footage unfolds with the narrative power of fiction. What it comes down to, I think, is that Robert Zimmerman from Hibbing, Minn., who mentions his father only because he bought the house where Bobby found a guitar, and mentions no other member of his family at all, who felt he was from nowhere, became the focus for a time of fundamental change in music and politics. His songs led that change, but they transcended it. His audience was uneasy with transcendence. They kept trying to draw him back down into categories. He sang and sang, and finally, still a very young man, found himself a hero who was booed. "Isn't it something, how they still buy up all the tickets?" he asks about a sold-out audience that hated his new music. What I feel for Dylan now and did not feel before is empathy. His music stands and it will survive. Because it embodied our feelings, we wanted him to embody them, too. He had his own feelings. He did not want to embody ours. We found it hard to forgive him for that. He had the choice of caving in or dropping out. The blues band music, however good it really was, functioned also to announce the end of his days as a standard-bearer. Then after his motorcycle crash in 1966, he went away into a personal space where he remains. Watching him singing in "No Direction Home," we see no glimpse of humor, no attempt to entertain. He uses a flat, merciless delivery, more relentless cadence than melody, almost preaching. But sometimes at the press conferences, we see moments of a shy, funny, playful kid inside. And just once, in his recent interviews, seen in profile against a background of black, we see the ghost of a smile. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #369 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)