From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #366 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, September 25 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 366 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Yo La Tengo/River [Paul Bishop ] wailin' jennys njc [mags h ] Re: Joni Bumper stickers idea, and a formal request [Jamie Zubairi ] DYLAN: MONDAY and TUESDAY NIGHTS, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: new colors of the spectrum/NJC [Em ] Re: dualities ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] FW: DYLAN: MONDAY and TUESDAY NIGHTS, njc ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: organizing CD's NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: organizing CD's NJC [Em ] Re: new colors of the spectrum/NJC now Rickie Lee and Howlin' Wolf [Micha] Re: new colors of the spectrum/NJC now Rickie Lee and Howlin' Wolf [Cathe] Re: organizing CD's NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: dualities ["Michael Flaherty" ] Re: dualities NJC [Em ] RE: dualities NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Patti Witten's Joni Store [Jamie Zubairi ] njc, Bob-o's belated birthday ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: new colors of the spectrum/NJC ["Mark Scott" ] Re: new colors of the spectrum/NJC [Em ] Re: organizing CD's NJC [Bob Muller ] Joni Stickers (and magnet)! ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: The Levee's are breaching again (NJC) ["ron" ] Re: organizing CD's NJC ["ron" ] Re: A Case of You' and Joni Mitchell's romantic liaisons [Karen Marie Esp] Re: new colors of the spectrum/NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: organizing CD's NJC ["hell" ] Re: organizing CD's NJC [Em ] Re: new colors of the spectrum/NJC ["Mark Scott" ] RE: organizing CD's NJC [Em ] Re: dualities ["Jeff Hankins" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 10:09:18 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Bishop Subject: Yo La Tengo/River These guys are a fantastic band. They've got a reputation for doing some great covers (especially The Beach Boys' Little Honda). 'Yo la Tengo' is what Latino baseball players shout for fly balls 'I got it!'. I'm looking forward to hearing what they've done to Ms Mitchell. The raindrops. ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 03:25:32 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: wailin' jennys njc Yes Eric, Ive heard (of) the Wailin' Jennys (on several occasions ;-) they are from Winnipeg (where I live). Ruth Moody stopped by the house a couple of weeks ago to drop something off for one of my housemates. :-)) The first time I heard them was in Detroit in 68...ooops ... err...rather, at the Winnipeg Folk Festival last year. Cara Luft, one of the original Jennys has gone back to her solo career...she performed at the Wpg Folk Festival this past summer. The newest Jenny is fantastic...she plays mando (hi Les) and violin, and she's graced with a gorgeous honeygolden contralto voice. as you said, you can hear a pin drop during their concerts. There's a free summer series at Assiniboine Park (lyric stage); the Jennys were the fnal act of the season . Biggest crowd of the whole summer. did you get to meet them? They are wonderful, down to earth, and will take the time to talk to you. I still think that our very own Claudia could be a Jenny. No question in my mind... Mags npimh: Claud's beautiful version of Arlington, for the little bird ;-) - --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 11:31:09 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: Joni Bumper stickers idea, and a formal request I second that one Patti, but I think it should follow the whole quote, just so they get it: 'Joni Mitchell Never Lies' so whoever is reading it can remember the song as well as know who we're talking about... Much Joni Jamie Zoob (who doesn't have a car as he lives in London but would certainly buy them for my guitarcase! - --- Patti Witten wrote: > Ok, I started thinking. Then I quickly made 3 simple > bumper sticker images, > which I can upload to my cafipress.com store. The > beauty of this is that > people can order them "on demand" and online, just > like any merchandise. > > 10" x 3.24" color, vinyl bumper stickers would cost > $5 each. The base cost > is $3.99 each, and the net profit of $2.01 can go > to... Jmdl.com as a > donation? > > Here's my request: can I do this, or is it a bad > idea... and can I have > permission from someone at jmdl -- maybe Les Irvin > AKA "Cheap Executive > Officer" according to the website :) -- to use the > slogans: > > What Would Joni Do? > My Other Car is a Big Yellow Taxi > SIQUOMB, isn't she? She Is Queen Undisputedly Of > Mind Beauty > Joni Never Lies > > What do you think? > > Btw this is my store www.cafepress.com/pattiwitten > > Patti > -- > Patti Witten http://pattiwitten.com > > Hurricane Katrina Aid - Donate to: > - The American Red Cross National Disaster Fund > http://redcross.org > - The ASPCA Disaster Relief Fund > http://tinyurl.com/bx2wd > - The American Humane Society Disaster Relief Teams > > https://secure.hsus.org/01/disaster_relief_fund_2005/ > - Sycamore Tryst: profits to Red Cross > http://cdbaby.com/witten3 > Jamie Zubairi to view my cv or contact my agent, please click on the url below: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 07:58:09 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: new colors of the spectrum/NJC A big me too on this one Mark. I hope you have a great time at Rickie Lee tonight and that she behaves herself. She had a melt down the last time I saw her at the Howlin Wolf. I saw her later that same evening in a tatoo parlour which is the Fauberg Marigny section of NO which was recently water front property. She sounded great but made a sick excuse and left the stage. The band played some progressive jazz for while and then they split as well. My friend Howie who owns the Wolf refunded everyone's money and she promised to come back but she hasn't. May the Gods of the tortured artists (of which Ryan Adams is the new President) smile on you so that she can get thru a magnificent set that goes on and on after curfew. LOL! Love Paz P.S.Ethiopia-Lynn Skinner > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Paz" > >> WoW! Oone of my favorite albums of all time. I was looking for this record >> in my collection for weeks now. I may need to buy it again. >> >> Paz >> >> Sunrise >> Surprise >> Civilized Man >> You were keeper to me >> Now your animal is free >> And you're free to die >> Die >> You're old and your hands are gray >> Your old go home and >> We've all heard you dirty stories >> Two thousand years >> Two thousand years >> Two thousand years >> Of your >> God damn >> Glory >> > > Grace always sends shivers up and down my spine on this one. > > Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 09:22:22 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: DYLAN: MONDAY and TUESDAY NIGHTS, njc How did it get to be late September already? http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/dylan/index.html For Monday's synopsis, PBS said, >Part 1 of two. Martin Scorsese directs this chronicle of Bob Dylan's life and music from 1961 to 1966. Included are interviews with Dylan and other artists and rare performance clips.> Tuesday's sysnopsis, >Conclusion. Martin Scorsese directed this chronicle of Bob Dylan's life and music, from his 1961 arrival in Greenwich Village to his 1966 motorcycle accident. Included are interviews with Dylan and other artists and rare performance clips.> They plan to rebroadcast it but (locally in Cincinnait) it will at 1:00 AM on Monday morning / Sunday night. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu Covington, KY PS, the season's first "West Wing" is tonight. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 09:31:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: new colors of the spectrum/NJC now Rickie Lee and Howlin' Wolf - --- Michael Paz wrote: > I hope you have a > great time at Rickie Lee > tonight and that she behaves herself. She had a melt > down the last time I > saw her at the Howlin Wolf. [...] May the Gods of the > tortured artists (of which > Ryan Adams is the new President) smile on you so > that she can get thru a > magnificent set that goes on and on after curfew. I had hoped RLJ was OK now and all the bad stuff was well behind her, but I guess it never really goes away. When I saw her in Toronto a few years ago, she was having a good night and stuck around singing and playing much longer than she needed to, and I'm not complaining. How did the Howlin' Wolf fare after hurricanes and floods? We watched a movie last night called "A love song for Bobby Long", set in NO. The main character's mother, who had died, had been a singer and there was a poster announcing her playing at the HW. The film itself was not great, but had its moments and, as they showed various scenes of NO, I wondered if that stuff was still there. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 06:41:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: organizing CD's NJC Hi Em, When I began purging myself of the dreaded jewel cases a couple years back, I found that CaseLogic made the best sleeves, very easy to keep and store all the inserts as well. A little pricey but in the long run they do the best job of preservation. Nowadays I use a simpler, basic, very cheap sleeve from Sleevetown.com, I think I got 1,000 or so of the dang things for $5 or so. Also, I don't have a need for storing the paper stuff because I burn a copy of the disc and ship the original and all the paper to the highest bidder. It's amazing how much space you can save and how easier organization is, but you HAVE to be organized because you don't have the spines to use as guides anymore once you enter the world of sleeves. Bob NP: The Lazy Eyes, "The Best Ones" PS: None of the above applies to Joni, all of which is still in jewel cases with all corresponding documentation. After all, every once in a while I've gotta check out some matter of trivia in the liner notes. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 06:47:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: new colors of the spectrum/NJC wow Mike! I didn't know that about "Blows". For some reason I "skipped" that album. Always listened to lots of Airplane, and even Great Society - - but pretty much I ended it with Bless Its Pointed Little Head, I think. And then for some reason, later I got into Dragonfly. So now I'm wanting to hear "Blows Against the Empire". Maybe I heard it while I was sleeping and it planted a "seed". Thanks for telling me that.... happy late Sept. 2005 to you! :) Em "It's all a dream we dreamed one afternoon long ago" Robert Hunter - --- MIKE HICKS wrote: > .....there's a color no one has ever seen, and it would blow us away > if we ever did. > Em, > The Jefferson Airplane album Blows Against the Empire (actually the > first Starship album), contains lyrics about seeing colors that are > not present on earth, but are present and visible on another planet. > Does get the mind wondering a bit. > > Mike > P.S. Em, take a listen to Blows Against the Empire. Kinda > interesting how you used blow us away and blows is in the title of an > album that speaks on that very topic. EEeerieeee isn't it? Maybe > not. > > NP: Lionheart Bros. - Feed Me Eden ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 09:56:48 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Re: dualities Yup, I agree. "Both Sides Now" is a fantastic song. It's simple enough for the ages but for depth, it can't touch those songs on DJRD and THOSL. At work, all of the conversations range from the Pittsburgh Steelers (football), to the Cincinnati Bengals (football), to the Cleveland Browns, to the OSU Buckeyes (football). It's great to have a list where people can discuss what reeeeeeally matters: which songs are deeper? :) Jim Mark Scott in Seattle said, >I don't think 'S&L' and 'DJRD' are restatements of the same things as 'BSN'. Good as 'Both Sides Now' is, I think it is rudimentary compared to 'DJRD'. In the early song she tackles clouds, love, and life, progressively broadening her scope with each verse. Granted, life is a pretty all-encompassing subject. But in both 'S&L' and 'DJRD' she touches on aspects of life that she never really addresses in 'BSN'. Religion, have and have not, good and evil, wrong and right, good and bad in the aesthetic sense and how we view or refuse to look at them (or maybe are incapable of seeing them) in 'S&L'. In 'DJRD' she throws in the whole male/female dynamic and the good and bad aspects of society and just a whole bunch of stuff that I doubt she had even begun to think about or at least to define when she wrote 'Both Sides Now'.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 10:23:01 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: FW: DYLAN: MONDAY and TUESDAY NIGHTS, njc Meant to send to the whole list: - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:22 AM To: 'Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama' Subject: RE: DYLAN: MONDAY and TUESDAY NIGHTS, njc Since they released the DVD on September 20, I have watched this and must say it is really fabulous--not to be missed. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 9:22 AM To: JMDL Subject: DYLAN: MONDAY and TUESDAY NIGHTS, njc How did it get to be late September already? http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/dylan/index.html For Monday's synopsis, PBS said, >Part 1 of two. Martin Scorsese directs this chronicle of Bob Dylan's life and music from 1961 to 1966. Included are interviews with Dylan and other artists and rare performance clips.> Tuesday's sysnopsis, >Conclusion. Martin Scorsese directed this chronicle of Bob Dylan's life and music, from his 1961 arrival in Greenwich Village to his 1966 motorcycle accident. Included are interviews with Dylan and other artists and rare performance clips.> They plan to rebroadcast it but (locally in Cincinnait) it will at 1:00 AM on Monday morning / Sunday night. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu Covington, KY PS, the season's first "West Wing" is tonight. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 07:46:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: dualities - --- "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" wrote: > It's great to have a list where > people can > discuss what reeeeeeally matters: which songs are deeper? :) Hi Jim, I, for one, keep coming back to the thought that sometimes, "less is more". Say you start trying to paint infinity..I mean you can get pretty deep, but you'll never "nail" it that way, cuz, well, cuz its infinity! and sometimes an ultra simple depiction can have as great or greater impact as digging deeper and deeper and deeper. I'm not saying don;t dig...but to me sometimes things that seem really really simple, in fact, tell a bigger tale. BSN is simply stated, but its HUGE....and universal. unlike some of the stuff you mentioned which are seen through more subjective eyes, The amazing thing to me about BSN is that it was written by such a young person. Whereas DJRD and HOSL seem about accurate for someone as old as Joni was at the time. So, I guess (to me) they're different kinds of pictures. :) Em ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 10:49:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: organizing CD's NJC - --- Bob Muller wrote: > When I began purging myself of the dreaded jewel > cases a couple years back, I found that CaseLogic > made the best sleeves, very easy to keep and store > all the inserts as well. A little pricey but in the > long run they do the best job of preservation. > > Nowadays I use a simpler, basic, very cheap sleeve > from Sleevetown.com, I think I got 1,000 or so of > the dang things for $5 or so. Also, I don't have a > need for storing the paper stuff because I burn a > copy of the disc and ship the original and all the > paper to the highest bidder. > > It's amazing how much space you can save and how > easier organization is, but you HAVE to be organized > because you don't have the spines to use as guides > anymore once you enter the world of sleeves. > I hate jewel cases too. They're clunky and they break easily and, of course, they take up way too much room. It's good if there are printed lyrics inside, but the type is so hard to read because of size, and sometimes because someone decides to get all cute with it and lay it out in ways that are impossible to read anyway. Do you keep your stuff in alphabetical order? Do you find you're constantly moving discs from one sleeve to another as you add new ones to your collection? I've got tons of CDRs but these are mostly ones I've burned from downloaded bootlegs/concerts from dimeadozen and so on. I find I'm constantly moving things around as I get something new, even if I leave extra space to accomodate other items whose artists' names start with the same letter. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 07:53:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: organizing CD's NJC wow Catherine, I hadn't even thought of that problem that might arise... and thanks Bob, I will look into those ones you mentioned. Input appreciated! I'm almost just thinking of going ahead and building or buying wall mounted CD racks and going ahead and keeping them in the jewel cases. :) Em - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > I find I'm constantly moving > things around as I get something new, even if I leave > extra space to accomodate other items whose artists' > names start with the same letter. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 10:06:10 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: new colors of the spectrum/NJC now Rickie Lee and Howlin' Wolf The songwriter Grayson Capps that did all the original songs for that is someone Jack has been hanging with a lot at the songwriter fests and nights. He and Travolta became good buddies. He was a media darling here whilst the movie was being shot. The Wolf is intact as far as we know. I spoke to Howie the other day. It is about a block from the now world famous convention center. Paz > --- Michael Paz wrote: > >> I hope you have a >> great time at Rickie Lee >> tonight and that she behaves herself. She had a melt >> down the last time I >> saw her at the Howlin Wolf. > > [...] > > May the Gods of the >> tortured artists (of which >> Ryan Adams is the new President) smile on you so >> that she can get thru a >> magnificent set that goes on and on after curfew. > > I had hoped RLJ was OK now and all the bad stuff was > well behind her, but I guess it never really goes > away. When I saw her in Toronto a few years ago, she > was having a good night and stuck around singing and > playing much longer than she needed to, and I'm not > complaining. > > How did the Howlin' Wolf fare after hurricanes and > floods? We watched a movie last night called "A love > song for Bobby Long", set in NO. The main character's > mother, who had died, had been a singer and there was > a poster announcing her playing at the HW. The film > itself was not great, but had its moments and, as they > showed various scenes of NO, I wondered if that stuff > was still there. > > > Catherine > Toronto > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> - - > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 11:11:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: new colors of the spectrum/NJC now Rickie Lee and Howlin' Wolf - --- Michael Paz wrote: > The songwriter Grayson Capps that did all the > original songs for that is > someone Jack has been hanging with a lot at the > songwriter fests and nights. > He and Travolta became good buddies. He was a media > darling here whilst the > movie was being shot. The Wolf is intact as far as > we know. I spoke to Howie > the other day. It is about a block from the now > world famous convention > center. > > Paz The sound track to that film was excellent. One of the songs was "Blonde on blonde" by Nada Surf. I think one of the things that bugged me about the film was you got the impression Travolta's character was supposed to be fairly old and I kept trying to guess how old he was supposed to be - was he in his lates 50s? maybe early 60s? couldn't be any older than that. At the end, you realize he was only 49. He just came across as much older than that. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 11:08:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: organizing CD's NJC - --- Em wrote: > wow Catherine, I hadn't even thought of that problem > that might > arise... > and thanks Bob, I will look into those ones you > mentioned. > Input appreciated! > I'm almost just thinking of going ahead and building > or buying wall > mounted CD racks and going ahead and keeping them in > the jewel cases. > :) > Em > There is the same problem no matter how you store them though. If you keep them in some kind of order, alphabetical or otherwise, you constantly have to move stuff around to accomodate new ones. It might be a bit easier in jewel cases, to read the names on the spines (if that's what you could call them in jewel cases - anyway the side of them), but, once again, the type is so tiny! There needs to be a really good CD organizer and maybe there is something somewhere, but it probably costs a fortune. The idea of spending more on a piece of furniture to store the things, than on the things themselves, strikes me as really silly. This is true of some many organizer things - they're either cheap and crappy or too expensive, so I end up with JUNK all over the floors and furniture. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 09:57:02 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: dualities On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 07:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Em wrote: > BSN is simply stated, but its HUGE....and universal. >unlike some of the > stuff you mentioned which are seen through more >subjective eyes, > The amazing thing to me about BSN is that it was written >by such a > young person. Whereas DJRD and HOSL seem about accurate >for someone as > old as Joni was at the time. > So, I guess (to me) they're different kinds of pictures. > :) > Em I agree with what your saying, except that I think DJRD and HOSL would be impressive for anyone of any age. :) Anyway ... the movement to subjective is, I think, necessary to accomplish writing with real depth. At a certain point, the universal has too many limitations. Also, as Joyce showed in "Dubliners", sometimes going into stories or ideas that are too personal for the writer or character to be universal (that's EXACTLY what happened to me or how I feel), a more personalized approach can bring us to some understanding that, when applied to our own lives, can result in a much stronger identification than a universal work would. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 08:32:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: dualities NJC Hi Michael, yeah, it works both ways. And the great thing is that there's room for all of it! All sorts of brain ticklers....from densely vacuum packed and freeze dried (sorta like boullion cubes or hash), to far flung throughout the cosmos. (like stardust?) :) Em - --- Michael Flaherty wrote: > I agree with what your saying, except that I think DJRD > and HOSL would be impressive for anyone of any age. :) > > Anyway ... the movement to subjective is, I think, > necessary to accomplish writing with real depth. At a > certain point, the universal has too many limitations. > Also, as Joyce showed in "Dubliners", sometimes going > into stories or ideas that are too personal for the writer > or character to be universal (that's EXACTLY what happened > to me or how I feel), a more personalized approach can > bring us to some understanding that, when applied to our > own lives, can result in a much stronger identification > than a universal work would. > > Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 11:40:41 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: dualities NJC Les, Thanks again for building this list. I can read respectful, yet differing opinions on Joni's stories while I drink my Sunday morning coffee. This JMDL has enriched my life, as I've already said dozens of times. Jim np: Neil Young's Greatest Hits from the DVD disc. Yeah, it sounds better. Just like Simon promised. > From: Em [mailto:emzdogz@yahoo.com] > Hi Michael, yeah, it works both ways. And the great thing is that > there's room for all of it! All sorts of brain ticklers....from densely > vacuum packed and freeze dried (sorta like boullion cubes or hash), to > far flung throughout the cosmos. (like stardust?) > --- Michael Flaherty wrote: > > the movement to subjective is, I think, > > necessary to accomplish writing with real depth. At a > > certain point, the universal has too many limitations. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 16:52:41 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Patti Witten's Joni Store There was some talk here on the OnlyJoni list about having Joni-related bumper stickers. I love the idea, so I went ahead and made some items, with Les Irvin's blessing. They are available for ordering online with a credit card from my cafepress.com store. All sales come with a money back guarantee. Some of the net from each sale will go to jmdl.com. Although these items are all under $5, you might find the prices a little high compared to most stickers and magnets. The reason is that these are made "on demand," not in bulk. The 3 stickers and one magnet bear the slogans: WWJD What Would Joni Do? (rectangle sticker and magnet) SIQUOMB, isn't she? (bumper sticker) My other car is a Big Yellow Taxi (oval sticker) Take a look and tell me what you think. I'm open to suggestions for improvements. There are other products, like buttons and hats if there is interest. That's the beauty of "on demand." I can whip up something specific without an investment of cash up-front. Here is the link: http://cafepress.com/pattiwitten If there is a lot of demand I'll open a store dedicated to Joni Swag. ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 16:16:33 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Bob-o's belated birthday I'm just taking a quick step inside the Bob-o dance to say happy belated birthday, Joni-Brother Bob! I'm always running behind the times and digests....but it's still your birthday WEEKEND, right? Therefore the gift goes on. And if there are any birthday beverages remaining in Harry-Bob's house, drink up all the rest, you son of a b$#%h! And then laugh and toast to nothing, if not yourself. If you tell me your exact age, maybe Joni and I can put our heads together (for you know, of course, that two heads are better than one) to write you a little birthday ditty (if good fortune allows). Your ever-Joni-loving friend, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 10:15:58 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: new colors of the spectrum/NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Em" > wow Mike! I didn't know that about "Blows". For some reason I "skipped" > that album. Always listened to lots of Airplane, and even Great Society > - but pretty much I ended it with Bless Its Pointed Little Head, I > think. Surely you have Volunteers??? An Airplane essential! Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 10:25:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: new colors of the spectrum/NJC - --- Mark Scott wrote: > Surely you have Volunteers??? An Airplane essential! oh heck yeah! I have Volunteers..I always thought of that as coming before Bless Its Pointed Little Head tho..not sure of the chronology. I know I personally owned "Pointed" first. Traded a very early edition of Bowie's "Diamond Dogs" for it, in about 7th grade. It was one where the dog's genitals hadn't been airbrushed out, like in later versions. lol! :D I think Crown of Creation is my fave Airplane album tho. Deliciously scathing Grace!!!!!! "picks me up and lays me down again"...(as Neil said in another context). Em ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 10:37:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: organizing CD's NJC No, because I don't use those notebook sleeve things, I use separate standalone single sleeves, and keep them in a nice cabinet that's made specifically for CD's, holds a BUNCH of the suckers (especially without cases), and can close up so it looks like a nice piece of furniture. And I keep everything in alphabetical order, otherwise I'd be lost trying to find anything. I disregard the "The" so that The Beatles file under B, The Strokes under S, etc and use an artist's last name (Ryan Adams under A) unless it's a made-up name like Jethro Tull which would file under J. Every once in a while I have to rearrange a clump or so if a section starts to get too packed full, but it works pretty well for me with a minimum of expense and maintenance. As for Joni, I have a whole 'nuther cabinet for her, starting with all the live shows ordered chronologically by date, followed by all the covers compilations, followed at last by all her officially release commercial releases. Bob NP: David Baerwald, "China Lake" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 19:19:31 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Joni Stickers (and magnet)! Patti W. wrote: Take a look and tell me what you think. - --------- "Just one look, that's all it took!" These are AWESOME! Thank you so much! Forgive my grateful gushing, but that's the spirit that's inside of me right now and I can't contain it. I can't take it. I can't seem to believe it! I will *definitely* put in an order as soon as I can decide how many of each I want. (I am rubbing my hands greedily.....who let the greedy in? LOL...) My best friend's 50th birthday is comin' on soon (we met over Joni in 1975, and oh my -- the hope and the hopelessness we've witnessed together these 30 years!) and these will be wonderful additions to the Joni-Care Package I plan to assemble for her. And of course they will look great on my new vehicle as I drive on the free free way. And on my front door, and on my desk at the workplace, and you know..... Sure, they may be a tad expensive, comparatively speaking, but hey. Anima rising -- so what? Real pearls cost more than fake ones, right? Darn right! And these are *real* pearls of Joni-wisdom. (Note to Mark: I loved your beautiful "pearl post" and I hope to write back about it when good fortune - -- and time -- allows.) Thank you again, Patti. You made my day. And may I say, you are not too bad at mind beauty yourself. Oh, the wonders of this list! Love, Patti P. P.S. All this talk about bumperstickers now begs the question: shall I put Em's "Joni Never Lies" OVER or UNDER the one that says: "Bush Lies"? - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:28:01 -0400 From: Patti Witten Subject: Joni Stickers (and magnet)! There was some talk here on the OnlyJoni list about having Joni-related bumper stickers. I love the idea, so I went ahead and made some items, with Les Irvin's blessing. They are available for ordering online with a credit card from my cafepress.com store. All sales come with a money back guarantee. Some of the net from each sale will go to jmdl.com. Although these items are all under $5, you might find the prices a little high compared to most stickers and magnets. The reason is that these are made "on demand," not in bulk. The 3 stickers and one magnet bear the slogans: WWJD What Would Joni Do? (rectangle sticker and magnet) SIQUOMB, isn't she? (bumper sticker) My other car is a Big Yellow Taxi (oval sticker) Take a look and tell me what you think. I'm open to suggestions for improvements. There are other products, like buttons and hats if there is interest. That's the beauty of "on demand." I can whip up something specific without an investment of cash up-front. Here is the link: http://cafepress.com/pattiwitten If there is a lot of demand I'll open a store dedicated to Joni Swag. BTW could someone post this to the big list? I am not subscribed at the moment. Oh and of course feel free to purchase one of my own T-Shirts :)) Cheers, Patti - - -- Patti Witten http://pattiwitten.com Hurricane Katrina Aid - Donate to: - - - The American Red Cross National Disaster Fund http://redcross.org - - - The ASPCA Disaster Relief Fund http://tinyurl.com/bx2wd - - - The American Humane Society Disaster Relief Teams https://secure.hsus.org/01/disaster_relief_fund_2005/ - - - Sycamore Tryst: profits to Red Cross http://cdbaby.com/witten3 - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:42:44 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: The Levee's are breaching again (NJC) hi >>>michael wrote >>>>We are fine in our cozy little home. im glad youre ok - just sickened about the rest of the damage tho - ................... >>>>>> I wonder about your blues guitar player friend that was here visiting Ron and what became of him. I could kick myself for not getting the guys number that called me regarding equipment for him. I pray he is ok. hes ok - he evacuated to mobile, where he was stranded for a couple of days, then cam back via l.a.. he is apparently planning to go back next year, but no real plans as yet. im looking forward to seeing him perform next sunday - doing a solo acoustic set - which ive never seen him do before. >>>>>>> Be well and thanks for your thoughts prayers and continued support. not really able to do anything concrete - but our thoughts are with y'all regards ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:58:49 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: organizing CD's NJC hi >>>>em asked about organising cds well - calling it organisation is stretching it a bit - but i have a kind of a system which works fairly well & is not too much hassle. i keep my music in pretty loosely defined groups. purchased cds are kept in jewel cases. i have a couple of racks - the top couple of shelves on the right is all my favourite stuff. then an area for women folk singers, an area for blues, an area for country, an area for guitar music, an area for rock for compilations, etc. within those groups i just dump stuff in any old how. it works fairly well most of the time, but sometimes, like tonight, i spent half an hour searching for jim croce after he was mentioned on tv & i just had to listen to him. of course it would work a whole lot better if i didnt have a habit of leaving discs out of cases to be put away by an illiterate maid who believes that any disc can go in any case which then goes into any shelf as long as its packed away :-) i keep my live show recordings in cd books which have metal covers with zips - i have sepasrate books for joni & michelle shocked, then separate ones for male singers, female singers, & bands. ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 21:15:03 +0200 From: Karen Marie Espeland Subject: Re: A Case of You' and Joni Mitchell's romantic liaisons Hello! It was very interesting to hear this version, and to read the lyrics!Thanks a lot - Garret and Bob!! It seems very relevant when exploringthe metaphors and their 'history' within Joni Mitchell's lyrics!It was interesting to compare the lyrics of the different versions,especially regarding her choice of metaphors. In ACOY 1970 version,there is an occurrence of 'marine' metaphors ('ship', 'fish'), whichis absent her 1971 version of the song. She seems to have enhanced onthe domain of the sea, etc. in the song 'Blue' in stead: 'anchor','sail away', 'shell', 'sinking'  etc.I wonder what the sea means to her - as she grew up on the prairie... Her explicit use of colours is also interesting in the 1970 version:'red and black designs'. Colours are otherwise expressed less directlyin the song - for instance through 'wine', 'blood' and 'darkness'.Does anyone know anything about colour symbolism in Joni's lyrics (andpaintings)? The discussion on duality in JM's songs is also fascinating to follow.I am most familiar with her early material. On the album Blue, thereseems to be different types of dualities present - here are someexamples:Home/being on a journey ('Carey') ('California')Hell/heaven: 'hell's the hippest way to go' ('Blue'), 'devils','deeds'('ACOY'), 'saints'(ACOY 1970 version)Love/hate: 'I hate you some', 'I love you some' ('All I Want')Joy/sorrow: 'joy'/'blue' (All I want), 'sunshine'/'blues' ('My Old Man')Darkness/light: 'darkness', 'northern light' ('ACOY') 'starbright','blackness' ('TFT')Or maybe binary oppositions is just an illusion...? In the documentary 'Joni Mitchell - Woman of Heart and Mind', itseemed as if ACOY was written in connection her rupture with GrahamNash. Maybe that was the case, but nonetheless the song may be looselybased on the experiences with three different men, as Mia suggested.Her depression at that time may be because of her deceptions in love,and the difficulty in the sacrifices she had to make in order tofollow her artistic muse, but also perhaps as part of a post-hippiecollective down-period... What do you think? Have a nice day! All the best,Karen Marie PS: My best, though probably delayed, happy-birthday-wishes to Bob!And Bruce, whoever you are! On 9/24/05, Bob Muller wrote:>>>>>> thought i would bring> it up: Around 1972 or 1973 Joni performed the song with> alternate lyrics. I> don't know exactly where or when. I had this on disc once> but seem to have> misplaced it. I have tried, from memory, to give these> lyrics:>>>>> Your memory is very good, Garret - ah, the benefits of youth! Here's an mp3 of that recording, which I'm told is from 1970:>>>> http://s43.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3FYJDJ2BLA4U03C1ZLHYYFEXFJ>>> And a BIG thanks to everyone who took the time to send me birthday greetings, much appreciated. Y'all are a good bunch of friends of spirit.>>>> Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 14:19:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: new colors of the spectrum/NJC Woodstock 1969... imagine, after a day of thunderstorms & evening of semi sleep on the wet field, waking at dawn to the haunting voice of grace slick singing: > Sunrise Surprise Civilized Man You were keeper to me Now your animal is free And you're free to die Die You're old and your hands are gray Your old go home and We've all heard you dirty stories Two thousand years Two thousand years Two thousand years Of your God damn Glory< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:08:55 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: RE: organizing CD's NJC Em wrote: > I'm almost just thinking of going ahead and building or > buying wall mounted CD racks and going ahead and keeping > them in the jewel cases. That's exactly what I ended up doing. I didn't want to get rid of the jewel cases or the liner notes, and I also have a large number of cassette and vinyl LPs. So I made a "custom" set of shelves, which have three sizes - one set for cassettes, one set for CDs, and a large shelf at the bottom for vinyl. I've allowed plenty of extra space for CDs (not the others, since I doubt I'll acquire any more of those). Since I'm renting, the shelves are free-standing, but if and when I ever own a home, I'll build a set of wall-mounted shelves. Everything is alphabetical, and I can lay my hands on any CD (or LP or tape) in pretty quick time. If I burn CDs, or have CDRs from other sources, I have a stock of blank jewel cases to put them in, and I print an appropriate liner. They do take up more space, but to be honest, having everything in books/folders would annoy me no end! Hell P.S. If you want to see the shelves, have a look at my website under Projects -> Carpentry -> Music shelves ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 15:23:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: organizing CD's NJC Hi Ron, interesting system! I'd love to look through it, actually. :) But I'd have a hard time deciding on the catagories..like where would i put, say, Eva Cassidy? could put her in blues, but would have to cross-reference her in jazz and even folk! I'm even having trouble creating "genres" for my ipod or meaningful playlists, because I fear they won;t be comprehensive... oh well! what a great problem to have! Toooooo much music! i love it.. Em - --- ron wrote: > hi > > > >>>>em asked about organising cds > > well - calling it organisation is stretching it a bit - but i have a > kind of > a system which works fairly well & is not too much hassle. > > i keep my music in pretty loosely defined groups. > > purchased cds are kept in jewel cases. i have a couple of racks - the > top > couple of shelves on the right is all my favourite stuff. then an > area for > women folk singers, an area for blues, an area for country, an area > for > guitar music, an area for rock for compilations, etc. within those > groups i > just dump stuff in any old how. it works fairly well most of the > time, but > sometimes, like tonight, i spent half an hour searching for jim croce > after > he was mentioned on tv & i just had to listen to him. > > of course it would work a whole lot better if i didnt have a habit of > > leaving discs out of cases to be put away by an illiterate maid who > believes > that any disc can go in any case which then goes into any shelf as > long as > its packed away :-) > > i keep my live show recordings in cd books which have metal covers > with > zips - i have sepasrate books for joni & michelle shocked, then > separate > ones for male singers, female singers, & bands. > > ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 15:24:41 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: new colors of the spectrum/NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Bennett" "It's a new dawn, people.." Sigh. You make me pea-green with envy, Kate. > Woodstock 1969... imagine, after a day of thunderstorms & evening of semi > sleep on the wet field, waking at dawn to the haunting voice of grace > slick > singing: > >> Sunrise > Surprise > Civilized Man > You were keeper to me > Now your animal is free > And you're free to die > Die > You're old and your hands are gray > Your old go home and > We've all heard you dirty stories > Two thousand years > Two thousand years > Two thousand years > Of your > God damn > Glory< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 15:19:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: RE: organizing CD's NJC hi Hell, wow! your carpentry work is beautiful! Nice! I think I'm going to build a shelf too, though it won't be as lovely as your work I'm sure. But it will look decent and be functional too. :) Em - --- hell wrote: > Em wrote: > > > I'm almost just thinking of going ahead and building or > > buying wall mounted CD racks and going ahead and keeping > > them in the jewel cases. > > That's exactly what I ended up doing. I didn't want to get rid of > the jewel > cases or the liner notes, and I also have a large number of cassette > and > vinyl LPs. So I made a "custom" set of shelves, which have three > sizes - > one set for cassettes, one set for CDs, and a large shelf at the > bottom for > vinyl. I've allowed plenty of extra space for CDs (not the others, > since I > doubt I'll acquire any more of those). Since I'm renting, the > shelves are > free-standing, but if and when I ever own a home, I'll build a set of > wall-mounted shelves. > > Everything is alphabetical, and I can lay my hands on any CD (or LP > or tape) > in pretty quick time. If I burn CDs, or have CDRs from other > sources, I > have a stock of blank jewel cases to put them in, and I print an > appropriate > liner. They do take up more space, but to be honest, having > everything in > books/folders would annoy me no end! > > > Hell > > P.S. If you want to see the shelves, have a look at my website under > Projects -> Carpentry -> Music shelves > ___________________________________ > > "To have great poets, there must be > great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > > Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 00:10:25 +0100 From: "Jeff Hankins" Subject: Re: dualities Mark Thanks for challenging my daft generalizations about Joni's Duality songs. You're absolutely right, of course. I suspect my starry eyed admiration for the classic simplicity of (eg) BSN blinkers me against seeing the probing complexities of the more mature stuff. What you've done is what good correspondence here ought to do - sent me back to the songs themselves with renewed appreciation. So I'm soaking myself for a bit in the wide-ranging images of DJRD; "Behind my bolt locked door The eagle and the serpent are at war in me The serpent fighting for blind desire The eagle for clarity.." And like Jim says, looking at things from that side and this (and realizing there's a lot of that in this and a lot of this in that. or realizing that experiences have another side whose truth is not always visible from this side.. all of which is partly at least what we mean, I suppose, by exploring duality) is very much there throughout the whole canon of lyric, Cactus Tree on. There's Boho Dance too, isn't there, with its perceived affluence balanced against perceived poverty - and neither the 'streets' nor the 'glamour gowns,' in the polarized visions they represent, being able to encompass the complexity of real experience. Did Rickie Lee deliver the goods? Jeff - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Scott" To: "Jeff Hankins" Cc: Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 4:36 PM Subject: Re: dualities > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Hankins" > > > > > Mark: > > > > Of course : 'DJRD' ! You're absolutely right - that's a great Duality > > song - > > and I shouldn't have omitted it. On the line of development its a major > > stop. I'm still asking though - is this a line of progressive > > enlightenment, > > or re-statements of the same. Whaddya think? > > I don't think 'S&L' and 'DJRD' are restatements of the same things as 'BSN'. > Good as 'Both Sides Now' is, I think it is rudimentary compared to 'DJRD'. > In the early song she tackles clouds, love, and life, progressively > broadening her scope with each verse. Granted, life is a pretty > all-encompassing subject. But in both 'S&L' and 'DJRD' she touches on > aspects of life that she never really addresses in 'BSN'. Religion, have > and have not, good and evil, wrong and right, good and bad in the aesthetic > sense and how we view or refuse to look at them (or maybe are incapable of > seeing them) in 'S&L'. In 'DJRD' she throws in the whole male/female > dynamic and the good and bad aspects of society and just a whole bunch of > stuff that I doubt she had even begun to think about or at least to define > when she wrote 'Both Sides Now'. By the mid-70s she had read a lot more, > lived more life and thought a lot more about everything. That analytical > mind had done some maturing and growing and it shows in her writing in a big > way, imo. 'Banquet' is another good example of her exploration of duality > although not as clear cut a one on one comparison as these other three. > > And I have never thought of 'Borderline' as an exploration of duality so > much as I think of it as an expose of the artificial distinctions or > boundaries that people put up that are divisive and destructive of true > dialogue and communion. Aside from the line 'Good or bad/we think we know' > I don't see a positive being set off against the negative things she's > talking about in this song. True, she is talking about divisions and people > lining up on either side of them. But the divisions are illusory and there > is no actual positive/negative dynamic that would constitute a true duality. > There's just a negative perception set up against another negative > perception. No balance, no wrong or right, and not even one specific thing > set against another but a multitude of perceived and usually petty > differences. Maybe I'm splitting hairs here. Curiously, I am reading E. M. > Forster's 'A Passage to India' right now wherein this is a major theme so it > has been running through my head. > > Rickie Lee is tomorrow night. I can't wait! > > Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #366 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)