From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #365 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, September 25 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 365 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: dualities ["Jeff Hankins" ] Re: A Case of You' and Joni Mitchell's romantic liaisons [Mark-Leon Thorn] Re: Catherine sticky fingers, njc [Catherine McKay ] YouSendIt Delivery Notification: River.mp3 [] Re: dualities ["Mark Scott" ] Re: A Case of You' and Joni Mitchell's romantic liaisons [Bob Muller ] Re: The Levee's are breaching again (NJC) ["ron" ] Joni: dualities ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] No Tofu Today For JVT's Birthday! ["Scott and Jody" ] Catherine sticky fingers, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Wailin' Jennys ["Music Is Special" ] Joni Stickers (and magnet)! [Patti Witten ] Re: The Levee's are breaching again (NJC) [Michael Paz ] new colors of the spectrum/NJC ["MIKE HICKS" ] Re: new colors of the spectrum/NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: new colors of the spectrum/NJC ["Mark Scott" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 09:01:40 +0100 From: "Jeff Hankins" Subject: Re: dualities Mark: Of course : 'DJRD' ! You're absolutely right - that's a great Duality song - and I shouldn't have omitted it. On the line of development its a major stop. I'm still asking though - is this a line of progressive enlightenment, or re-statements of the same. Whaddya think? And I'm really pleased you love Shadows and Light - I'm asking no-one to apologize! (Like I said, I just wish I liked it more) Hope Rickie Lee was good for you! Jeff - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Scott" To: "Jeff Hankins" ; Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 7:35 AM Subject: Re: dualities > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Hankins" > > < > she has a special gift for expressing duality.>> > > > > > > 'Both Sides Now' is the daddy of them: its still online) > > > > 'Shadows and Light':> > > 'Borderline' > > You left out what to my mind is her most exhaustive exploration of the > subject: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > > And I like 'Shadows and Light'. Especially the gospel rendering on the live > album of the same name. I think the song is beautifully constructed with > very carefully chosen images and subjects for each verse. Maybe that makes > it mechanical and contrived. I don't care. I still love it and I think > it's beautiful and brilliant, just like Joni and Jenny Cavalleri. So I > won't apologize for loving it or Joni or Jenny because love means never > having to say you're sorry. (Just ask Tatum O'Neal.) > > Mark E. in Seattle > excited because I'm going to see Rickie Lee Jones in a 300 seat venue in > Seattle on Sunday night. Taking my copy of 'Duchess of Coolsville' along, > just in case! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:18:04 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: A Case of You' and Joni Mitchell's romantic liaisons I have been fascinated by the discussion line about A Case of You. I have often wondered who Joni was referring to in many of her songs. It was also mentioned a while back that Windfall was written about a deceitful episode with her maid. Another song I have wondered about for years is, Strange Boy. Can anyone shed any light on who she was singing about? Mark in Sydney NP I Can't Untie You - Grayson Hugh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 06:03:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Catherine sticky fingers, njc - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > tell us what the sticky stuff is. > > Marianne and Bree > > or perhaps we can all guess. . . > > Bree says, "It's not honey, I wonder what the hell > it is. . " > > : -) > > You two are very sick individuals. Don't ask me what the sticky stuff means. What does it mean to you? I think I'll just leave you guessing... Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 06:05:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Lori McKenna? -- NJC Has anyone heard of Lori McKenna? She is apparently from my part of the world, but I don't know her or her work. Seems like she's getting a lot of attention for her songwriting. I have cut and pasted the opening of a story about her in today's Boston Globe, followed by a link to the rest of the article. She seems right at home with growing fame By Scott Alarik, Globe Correspondent | September 24, 2005 STOUGHTON -- One day late last month, at 10 a.m. sharp, a film crew from the ''Oprah" show pulled up outside the small home of Lori McKenna. A publicist and a makeup artist had already been there for an hour, getting the singer-songwriter ready for a day of filming. Until recently, primping for camera crews was a rarity for McKenna, a stay-at-home mother of five kids, ages 1 to 16. But ever since country superstar Faith Hill recorded three of McKenna's songs including the title cut on her latest CD, ''Fireflies," hot lights, glam squads, and taping schedules have gotten quite a bit more familiar. When Hill is Oprah Winfrey's guest on Oct. 3, McKenna will sit down to chat with them both, then sing ''Fireflies" with the country star. McKenna has also taped a segment for Hill's upcoming Thanksgiving Eve special on NBC. Meanwhile, Warner Bros. Records (the label Hill is on) has signed McKenna, and, on Monday, will re-release her acclaimed album ''Bittertown." http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2005/09/24/she_seems_right_at_home_with_growing_fame/ __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:06:06 -0700 From: Subject: YouSendIt Delivery Notification: River.mp3 Hello, You've got a file called "River.mp3" (7948 KB) from jonipd@gmail.com waiting for download. jonipd@gmail.com says: Hi, Dears! A "little bird" has sent me this curious River cover: it's smokin'! I don't know nothing about Yo La Tengo (what is they have?) but this doesn't give me wishes to hear more from them... Anyway, here it is... if you want it. yo la tengo... tu' la tienes tambie'n (I've got it... you've got, too) Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano You can click on the following link to retrieve your file. The link will expire in 7 days and will be available for a limited number of downloads. Regular link (for all web browsers): http://s43.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2BWLSEZ7IK96B20EG0MM1KQJRL - ----- File too big for email? Try YouSendIt at http://www.yousendit.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:36:04 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: dualities - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Hankins" > Mark: > > Of course : 'DJRD' ! You're absolutely right - that's a great Duality > song - > and I shouldn't have omitted it. On the line of development its a major > stop. I'm still asking though - is this a line of progressive > enlightenment, > or re-statements of the same. Whaddya think? I don't think 'S&L' and 'DJRD' are restatements of the same things as 'BSN'. Good as 'Both Sides Now' is, I think it is rudimentary compared to 'DJRD'. In the early song she tackles clouds, love, and life, progressively broadening her scope with each verse. Granted, life is a pretty all-encompassing subject. But in both 'S&L' and 'DJRD' she touches on aspects of life that she never really addresses in 'BSN'. Religion, have and have not, good and evil, wrong and right, good and bad in the aesthetic sense and how we view or refuse to look at them (or maybe are incapable of seeing them) in 'S&L'. In 'DJRD' she throws in the whole male/female dynamic and the good and bad aspects of society and just a whole bunch of stuff that I doubt she had even begun to think about or at least to define when she wrote 'Both Sides Now'. By the mid-70s she had read a lot more, lived more life and thought a lot more about everything. That analytical mind had done some maturing and growing and it shows in her writing in a big way, imo. 'Banquet' is another good example of her exploration of duality although not as clear cut a one on one comparison as these other three. And I have never thought of 'Borderline' as an exploration of duality so much as I think of it as an expose of the artificial distinctions or boundaries that people put up that are divisive and destructive of true dialogue and communion. Aside from the line 'Good or bad/we think we know' I don't see a positive being set off against the negative things she's talking about in this song. True, she is talking about divisions and people lining up on either side of them. But the divisions are illusory and there is no actual positive/negative dynamic that would constitute a true duality. There's just a negative perception set up against another negative perception. No balance, no wrong or right, and not even one specific thing set against another but a multitude of perceived and usually petty differences. Maybe I'm splitting hairs here. Curiously, I am reading E. M. Forster's 'A Passage to India' right now wherein this is a major theme so it has been running through my head. Rickie Lee is tomorrow night. I can't wait! Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:41:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: A Case of You' and Joni Mitchell's romantic liaisons Your memory is very good, Garret - ah, the benefits of youth! Here's an mp3 of that recording, which I'm told is from 1970: http://s43.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3FYJDJ2BLA4U03C1ZLHYYFEXFJ And a BIG thanks to everyone who took the time to send me birthday greetings, much appreciated. Y'all are a good bunch of friends of spirit. Bob NP: Yo La Tengo, "River"...THANKS Emiliano, mi hermano - me gusta mucho! Abrazos para ti!! - --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 09:32:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: organizing CD's NJC was wondering - among you who put your CD's in "books", as opposed to leaving them in the jewel cases; how far do you go in trying to save the paper stuff in the jewel case? I guess I'm feeling the need to save at least the (easily) removeable part that has the liner notes, (although I can't read alot of them even with my glasses on). But what about that "back" piece of paper, that you have to lift the plastic piece the CD sits in to remove. i.e. the thing you see on the back of the jewel case, as you hold it. Do you save that too, and try to insert that also into the "book"? I've never seen a really good CD book..am in the process of looking. Cannot abide these "6 foot drifts" I've got happening, of jewel cases - everywhere! Up against the wall, jewelcase! Anybody have a really great CD "book" they know of and would like to share, if its available online somewhere? :) Thx! Em ps here's a bit of JC, this was prompted by my inability to find FTR...I am JONESING for FTR right now..I own it...I just can't find it... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:10:26 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: The Levee's are breaching again (NJC) hi >>>>>paz wrote >>>> We are riding out the storm at home under tornado watch. The TV is on >>>> and Heath Allen is reporting that the levee's are breaching again and >>>> St. Bernard Parish and the lower 9th ward are flooding all over again. >>>> This is just beyond belief. any more news on this??? is everyone safe out there??? ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:45:59 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Joni: dualities I "hear" duality from her very first album. In "Cactus Tree" Joni said, > She will love them when she sees them They will lose her if they follow And she only means to please them And her heart is full and hollow Like a cactus tree While she's so busy being free> She even has "homes" in two countries. One's in LA, (the capital of appearances and celebrity) and the other a hand-built cabin without any pretense at all. She's a living reminder that balance is key. You asked, > is there any progression to Joni's explorations of the dualities theme, or just re-statements of the same basic premise? Discuss.> I guess we've been discussing this for more than nine years. I think it's the same circle, painted in a (seemingly) endless variety of media and light. Although the music sounds very different, her viewpoint in "Cactus Tree" is recognizable in "Down To You". Joni Mitchell said, >The gift goes on.> Neil Young said, >It's all the same song anyway.> Jim Jeff said in part, >I hadn't thought of Barangrill as taking its place in that great line of duality songs - but of course in its own way it does) That line goes from Both Sides Now, of course, through Shadows and Light, on to Borderline - with lots of minor reference points in between.> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:58:07 -0400 From: "Scott and Jody" Subject: No Tofu Today For JVT's Birthday! Happy Birthday to our Uncle John Van Tiel, the Original Dutch Treat!!!! Jody and Scott xoooooooooooBig Hug! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 21:11:51 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: A genius returns njc Ive just had a listen to Kate Bushs new single, her first in 12 years - - yes, TWELVE YEARS! And it does not disappoint. You can hear it at this link: HYPERLINK "http://s45.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2W1X4R7ZTK8CD0RNB1PUYZ928W"http://s4 5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2W1X4R7ZTK8CD0RNB1PUYZ928W Azeem in London NP: John Cale - Fragments of a Rainy Season - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 17:40:39 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Catherine sticky fingers, njc >You two are very sick individuals. so sweet of you to show your affection, dear Catherine. >Don't ask me what the sticky stuff means. What does it >mean to you? now you've got me thinking that the sticky stuff is illicit. From: Catherine McKay Marianne Rizzo wrote: > tell us what the sticky stuff is. > > Marianne and Bree > > or perhaps we can all guess. . . > > Bree says, "It's not honey, I wonder what the hell > it is. . " > > : -) > > I think I'll just leave you guessing... Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 17:14:51 -0500 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: Wailin' Jennys If you haven't heard the Wailin' Jennys, some of you might really like them. I saw them for the second time last night and they were again fantastic. Three female Canadian singer-songwriters who are all muti-instrumentalists. They all write really good songs but they also do covers of a variety of folks such as Leadbelly, The Clancey Brothers,John Haitt and Emmylou Harris. I first saw them with Garrison Keilor and they said last night they will be back on his show Oct 22nd. You can hear a pin drop when they do their three-part acapella harmonies -- the audience was wowed both time. I highly recommend seeing them Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:28:01 -0400 From: Patti Witten Subject: Joni Stickers (and magnet)! There was some talk here on the OnlyJoni list about having Joni-related bumper stickers. I love the idea, so I went ahead and made some items, with Les Irvin's blessing. They are available for ordering online with a credit card from my cafepress.com store. All sales come with a money back guarantee. Some of the net from each sale will go to jmdl.com. Although these items are all under $5, you might find the prices a little high compared to most stickers and magnets. The reason is that these are made "on demand," not in bulk. The 3 stickers and one magnet bear the slogans: WWJD What Would Joni Do? (rectangle sticker and magnet) SIQUOMB, isn't she? (bumper sticker) My other car is a Big Yellow Taxi (oval sticker) Take a look and tell me what you think. I'm open to suggestions for improvements. There are other products, like buttons and hats if there is interest. That's the beauty of "on demand." I can whip up something specific without an investment of cash up-front. Here is the link: http://cafepress.com/pattiwitten If there is a lot of demand I'll open a store dedicated to Joni Swag. BTW could someone post this to the big list? I am not subscribed at the moment. Oh and of course feel free to purchase one of my own T-Shirts :)) Cheers, Patti - -- Patti Witten http://pattiwitten.com Hurricane Katrina Aid - Donate to: - - The American Red Cross National Disaster Fund http://redcross.org - - The ASPCA Disaster Relief Fund http://tinyurl.com/bx2wd - - The American Humane Society Disaster Relief Teams https://secure.hsus.org/01/disaster_relief_fund_2005/ - - Sycamore Tryst: profits to Red Cross http://cdbaby.com/witten3 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:40:06 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: The Levee's are breaching again (NJC) Hi Ron I just don't know how any more horrific this can get. We are fine in our cozy little home. Only lost power once and it was not off for long. I had a generator in the back of the pick up just in case. The winds and rains overnight were pretty scary. I did not sleep most of the night for keeping my eye cocked at the trees swaying like crazy. Got up this am and breathed a big sigh of relief. We had a nice breakfast and I pretty much crashed on the couch all day. In and out of sleep I see the destruction now to the west of us. People (the media) keep saying it's not as bad as it could have been, but for some could it get any worse? My friend Rick (from the studio) who evacuated to Baytown Texas was forced into a evac north. It took them about 12 hours to get less than 150 miles. They drove all night and made it to Hot Springs Arkansas. I looked at the weather awhile ago and noticed they Fecking Rita Tropical Storm is now right there in southern ark. Hope you are ok Laura (thanks for the offer btw). The city is underwater again in a big way. The 9th ward and St. Bernard Parish are deep again. Wasn't the end suppose to be fire the next time? Fortunately I think everyone is out of those areas. Around Abbyville it is very bad with the Vermillion River overflowing. 1000 people are supposedly trapped. That makes me think about the dead people who sill have not been found from a month ago. I see images of a smiling president pretending he knows and understands what's going on, but somehow I don't believe him. I feel so helpless myself. I could be out there helping and leave my family vulnerable. Freda is not well still and overwhelmed with the stress of it all and now that stress is attacking her body. We're headed to the doctors office on Monday. I wonder about your blues guitar player friend that was here visiting Ron and what became of him. I could kick myself for not getting the guys number that called me regarding equipment for him. I pray he is ok. Hey Tex are you safe? Are the lights on? Laura check in when you can and let us know you are still treading water and/or dodging trees. Be well and thanks for your thoughts prayers and continued support. Love Paz (Raising a very chilled glass of Gordon's with a dash of olive juice in the direction of the North east to my good friend Uncle John Van Tiel. Happy Birthday my brother! Please send someone down to us who knows about dykes and/or levees. We need to shore things up properly around here.) NP-I Robot (the fam watching) > hi > > >>>>>> paz wrote >>>>> We are riding out the storm at home under tornado watch. The TV is on >>>>> and Heath Allen is reporting that the levee's are breaching again and >>>>> St. Bernard Parish and the lower 9th ward are flooding all over again. >>>>> This is just beyond belief. > > > any more news on this??? > > is everyone safe out there??? > > > ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 23:48:54 -0400 From: "MIKE HICKS" Subject: curling/NJC Do they still use real household brooms for this sport? Back in 1976, I would go to my hotel room, after baseball practice, and ice down my arm while watching curling. It go to the point where I could not wait to tune in. The strategy is incrdible. There is a real art to it. It seems the last time I saw it, the sweepers were using a modern version of the broom, and it didn't take quite the effort as it did in '76. Kinda the way of the tennis racket. Mike NP: Softies - The Places We Go ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:19:20 -0400 From: "MIKE HICKS" Subject: new colors of the spectrum/NJC .....there's a color no one has ever seen, and it would blow us away if we ever did. Em, The Jefferson Airplane album Blows Against the Empire (actually the first Starship album), contains lyrics about seeing colors that are not present on earth, but are present and visible on another planet. Does get the mind wondering a bit. Mike P.S. Em, take a listen to Blows Against the Empire. Kinda interesting how you used blow us away and blows is in the title of an album that speaks on that very topic. EEeerieeee isn't it? Maybe not. NP: Lionheart Bros. - Feed Me Eden ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:01:21 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: new colors of the spectrum/NJC WoW! Oone of my favorite albums of all time. I was looking for this record in my collection for weeks now. I may need to buy it again. Paz Sunrise Surprise Civilized Man You were keeper to me Now your animal is free And you're free to die Die You're old and your hands are gray Your old go home and We've all heard you dirty stories Two thousand years Two thousand years Two thousand years Of your God damn Glory > .....there's a color no one has ever seen, and it would blow us away if we > ever did. > Em, > The Jefferson Airplane album Blows Against the Empire (actually the first > Starship album), contains lyrics about seeing colors that are not present on > earth, but are present and visible on another planet. Does get the mind > wondering a bit. > > Mike > P.S. Em, take a listen to Blows Against the Empire. Kinda interesting how > you used blow us away and blows is in the title of an album that speaks on > that very topic. EEeerieeee isn't it? Maybe not. > > NP: Lionheart Bros. - Feed Me Eden ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 22:19:19 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: new colors of the spectrum/NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Paz" > WoW! Oone of my favorite albums of all time. I was looking for this record > in my collection for weeks now. I may need to buy it again. > > Paz > > Sunrise > Surprise > Civilized Man > You were keeper to me > Now your animal is free > And you're free to die > Die > You're old and your hands are gray > Your old go home and > We've all heard you dirty stories > Two thousand years > Two thousand years > Two thousand years > Of your > God damn > Glory > Grace always sends shivers up and down my spine on this one. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #365 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)