From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #364 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, September 24 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 364 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: A Case of You [Karen Marie Espeland ] oyster, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Happy Birthday njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Jersey Jams Fund/New Orleans Red Cross Benefit njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Happy Birthday njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Happy Birthday njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni at the Hague (27 April 1983) for free!! [Emiliano ] Re: sjc, travelling in some new vehicle ["Sherelle Smith" ] (NJC) Katrinarita [Lori Fye ] Re: curling njc [Lori Fye ] Re: njc, travelling in some new vehicle [Catherine McKay ] The Levee's are breaching again (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: oyster, njc [Em ] Worst named product for guitarists?, njc [] Re: sjc, travelling in some new vehicle ["Michael Flaherty" ] Re: oyster, njc ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Worst named product for guitarists?, njc [Catherine McKay ] oyster, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] it's a gas, gas, gas, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] home heating, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: home heating, njc [Bob Muller ] Re: oyster, njc [Smurf ] Joni: dualities ["Jeff Hankins" ] Catherine sticky fingers, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Joni Magi and the contest ["Michael O'Malley" ] test njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: dualities ["Mark Scott" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:49:38 +0200 From: Karen Marie Espeland Subject: Re: A Case of You Thanks a lot, both of you!! This was certainly relevant! All the best, Karen Marie, Oslo PS: 'Uffda!' made my day too!! :) On 9/23/05, Michael O'Malley wrote: > > > Could some smart person on this list please find the recent post > explaining > the spiritual underpinnings of ACOY. I can't seem to find this post. Karen > Marie requested it for her thesis on Joni. Unfortunately, I don't remember > how to search the smoe archives efficiently. > > Thanks > > Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:01:39 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: oyster, njc Is the world your oyster or Is the world your palette? _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:51:08 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Happy Birthday njc Mr. Bob Muller!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I never forget.....he shares it with BR-UU-CE who is 56 today! Happy Birthday to both of you...enjoy your party Bob. hugs Rosie xxoo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:06:33 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Jersey Jams Fund/New Orleans Red Cross Benefit njc Jersey Jams Fund/New Orleans Red Cross Benefit Saturday Sep 24, 2005 - 1:00pm $10 RED MILL MUSEUM VILLAGE Clinton, NJ featuring: (our very own)Gregg Cagno, Scott McDonald, Kathy Phillips, ...Water..., & more--set times TBA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:08:11 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Happy Birthday njc > Mr. Bob Muller!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > I never forget.....he shares it with BR-UU-CE who is 56 today! > Gee. Bob is 4 years older than Bruce! Happy Birthday Bob!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:09:37 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday njc In a message dated 9/23/2005 7:07:46 AM Central Standard Time, notaro@stpt.usf.edu writes: Gee. Bob is 4 years older than Bruce! Happy Birthday Bob!!!!!!!! and both of them look great!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:08:45 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Joni at the Hague (27 April 1983) for free!! Hi, folks! Our Great, dear and much admired John sent this to our fellow Duarte in the beautiful Azores island: Dank, John! Well, I asked Duarte for it... and it just has come to your spanish friend's house... I'm delighted by it!!! A pristine (FM source) from that great tour... Muito Obrigado, Duarte! You know: ask me for it; what are you waiting for? You'll sure have a... Wonderful time! Yours: Emiliano ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:52:53 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: curling njc Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Hi Robert!!! Years ago, we used to have a peculiar topic that we just couldn't leave alone about Dollywood and Dolly Parton (You know the chant people!) I'm thinking this is the next new topic to adopt!!! I love it!!!!! So Robert, I am looking forward to an exhortation from you on "The Pleasures of Curling"! I think "Uffda" (must know what that is!) is one of the coolest words I've ever heard!!! I think that whenever we get together, we should all shout this as we toast our glasses together!!! Then again...maybe I should wait to find out what it means first!!! I think at our next JMDL get together, we should have a curling tournament!!! I think we should adopt this sport!!! It is so us!!! Sherelle Robert wrote: Lori wrote: Uffda!! Move to North Dakota, where it's very popular!! The town of Fortuna, with its 21 residents, has a curling rink. Not much else there (a post office, a senior center, a little park, and the obligatory bar), but they do have that curling rink. LOLOL, oh man, the UFFDA thing made my day. I thought there were a lot of Norwegian people in Saskatchewan, but North Dakota takes the cake - my Norwegian mother has a brass "Uffda!" thing hanging on her wall. It freaked me out to see it on the list, but then again, I suspect that Lori just couldn't stay away from the Norse Hostfest in Minot every year when she was in Fortuna ;) Well, off to eat my lefsa, Rob p.s. I am addicted to curling - I taped it last winter. How sick is that? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:04:01 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: sjc, travelling in some new vehicle Oh Patti, Patti!!! You make me fall in love with Joni's music all over again every time you write!!! I've never seen anyone quote her like you!!!! It makes my heart smile!!!! Now I'm singing, "Don't interrupt the sorrow...darn right..." Oh horrors! A choice??? If I could only bring one CD I would bring "Court and Spark". If I could bring two, I would bring Court and Spark and "Shadows and Light". I'm voting for your first spin to be "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow"! Congratulations on the new car! I have felt your car pain!!! I know how great it is to finally get a reliable vehicle!!!! My last one caught on fire after I parked it!!! (Ha! Ha!) Love, Sherelle Patti wrote: Dear Joniamigos: I just had to write and share my excitement: in two hours or so, I will be travelling in some new vehicle! And for the first time ever, I will have a CD player in my vehicle, so I've a head full of quandary. What CD shall christen this new vehicle? I've narrowed it down to one artiste -- no quandary there! -- but which CD to play? And which SONG? This is a momentous (sp?) decision. I know no one is going to show me everything, for this is a purely personal choice. The old question: which CD would you bring if you were to be stranded on a desert isle? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 06:59:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: ISO: Joni Covers Vol 31-40 and Vol 41-50 Once again: I'm looking for these 2 sets of Bob Muller's covers that seem to have disappeared from circulation. If you have either or both, please write me offlist so that I might get them back into circulation. Thanks I also still have a couple of copies of 'Joni at the Hague' available for residents of The Continent of North America FOR FREE. Ask and ye shall receive. Later, my friends, Brian in south jersey, with an ear on the progress of that bitch Rita in the Gulf. np: BBC world service on npr I've looked at love from both sides now From give and take, and still somehow It's love's illusions I recall I really don't know love at all --Joan, with the wisdom of the ages __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:50:22 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Happy Birthday njc Happy Bithday, Bob! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of RoseMJoy@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 7:51 AM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: SCJONIGUY@YAHOO.COM Subject: Happy Birthday njc Mr. Bob Muller!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I never forget.....he shares it with BR-UU-CE who is 56 today! Happy Birthday to both of you...enjoy your party Bob. hugs Rosie xxoo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:15:23 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) Katrinarita Seen in the blog section of the paper today: "Soon they'll have a drink called the Katrinarita." My take on all of this: We should NEVER have gone f*cking around in the Middle East. It's payback time, and Mother Nature is leading the charge. ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:20:30 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: curling njc Sherelle wrote: > I think "Uffda" (must know what that is!) is one of the coolest > words I've ever heard!!! I think that whenever we get together, we should > all shout this as we toast our glasses together!!! Then again...maybe I > should wait to find out what it means first!!! From http://www.camrose.com/uff/, this is a pretty good definition: "UFFDA" is not in the dictionary, but for Norwegians, it is an all purpose expression covering a variety of situations...the same as Charlie Brown's "Good Grief." Google "uffda" for many many many hits ... : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:17:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc, travelling in some new vehicle - --- Sherelle Smith wrote: > Congratulations on the new car! I have felt your car > pain!!! I know how > great it is to finally get a reliable vehicle!!!! My > last one caught on fire > after I parked it!!! (Ha! Ha!) > ...which is still a whole helluva lot better than it catching fire BEFORE you parked it! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:19:38 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday njc In a message dated 9/23/2005 7:59:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RoseMJoy@aol.com writes: > Mr. Bob Muller!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > I never forget.....he shares it with BR-UU-CE who is 56 today! > and Ani Defranco is 35 today! Have a great birthday Bob !!!! I hope Anna Kournakova lays a big sloppy kiss on ya! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:01:41 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: njc, travelling in some new vehicle Ha! ha! Ha! Ha! Those were my exact sentiments when I turned around and saw the smoke rising!!!! It was a red Dodge Daytona that had been given to me and Rob and it was my baby!!!! LOL! Sherelle >From: Catherine McKay >To: Sherelle Smith , loveuconn@hotmail.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: njc, travelling in some new vehicle >Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:17:12 -0400 (EDT) > > >--- Sherelle Smith wrote: > > Congratulations on the new car! I have felt your car > > pain!!! I know how > > great it is to finally get a reliable vehicle!!!! My > > last one caught on fire > > after I parked it!!! (Ha! Ha!) > > > >...which is still a whole helluva lot better than it >catching fire BEFORE you parked it! > > >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:34:55 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: sjc, travelling in some new vehicle Dearest Joniamigos: I'm just chicken-scratching here to thank you all for your wonderful posts and advice and kindnesses. All sorrow has been interrupted. Darn right! Woman she bounce back easy. And despite some of the crazy you get from too much choice, the desert island CD and numero uno song choice was really quite easy in the end. Of *course*, it was Hejira -- (impossibly gentle) hands down! I will tell you about the night ride home in the new space buggy. Once in a while in a big blue moon there comes a night like this, driving between the fine white lines on the free free way, feeling unfettered and alive, thinking: "You know, I'm sooo glaaaad to be on my own!" Westbound and rolling (rolling, rolling, rock and rollllllinnnng), taking refuge in the roads, round the curve, on the road to Bellejoni near Ashara's old hometown (yes -- I bought this car in Ashara's old hometown!), climbing climbing climbing the hill, into the driveway of my little ranch house on the hill. And I didn't even drive it in to a ditch, you son of a b@#$h Muller! (LOL....that was really funny!) Then today, driving into Morning UConn Town, it was all Joni. Yep. Hejira again. Can there be too much of a good thing? I'm afraid so. I hate to tell you, but I think this CD player is going to make my JMOCD even worse. When I get this crazy feeling I know I'm in trouble again. Oh Joni, you turn me on. I'm a CD player! Joni Mitchell Obsessive Compulsive Disorder meets Joni Mitchell On CD should make for a doubly troubled child. I wish you all no flat tires and love love is precious no flat tires love love is precious no flat tires love love is precious, - -- Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:38:01 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Happy Birthday njc Happy Birthday Muller. Hope you have a great one. We will raise our glasses this evening. Much love to you. Paz > Mr. Bob Muller!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > I never forget.....he shares it with BR-UU-CE who is 56 today! > > Happy Birthday to both of you...enjoy your party Bob. > > hugs > Rosie > xxoo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:40:31 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: The Levee's are breaching again (NJC) We are riding out the storm at home under tornado watch. The TV is on and Heath Allen is reporting that the levee's are breaching again and St. Bernard Parish and the lower 9th ward are flooding all over again. This is just beyond belief. Paz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:46:41 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Joni's History (In History) Hi Joey, you really have been whipping up some excitement with all this talk about the early years! Funnily enough, i have been listening a lot to the handful of 1960's bootlegs that i have over the last while. When i first got these a few years ago i was enchanted. But, of course, they get filed away and not listened to often. For some reason i pulled them out last week and have been playing them daily. How much fun is it to hear Ballerina Valerie and The London Bridge Song? To hear Cactus Tree in a different form? how great are What's The Story Mr. Blue and Born To Take The Highway? And these are all from the same disc! (If anyone wants me to copy what i have for them email me off list). So I take it from your posts that a Joni Mitchell boxset is not just a rumour we perpetuate to comfort ourselves in the absence of any new music from her? With the recent great reviews for the reissue of DJRD how can Joni not realise that there is an audience hungry to hear from her? And Catherine - what a lovely post. I don't like to do gushing too often either, but that was not gushing!! GARRET NP- Joni, Rainy Night House/Blue Boy medley 30.11.69 - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:52:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: oyster, njc - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Is the world your oyster > > > or > > Is the world your palette? ok just for the hell of it...  Is the world your oyster? yeah, but some days it's a real two-biter....  Is the world your palette? well in the sense that many paint colors come from pigments found in the earth, yeah I guess it's my palette, in a way, if a "palette" is the thing you get your paint from... or do you mean, do I "draw" my colors from the earth?? I would say sometimes..and I'm always really delighted when it works out that way...but alot of my colors come from in my head, which mirrors the universe, I feel, somewhat in the way that my iPod mirrors my iTunes. (maybe I'm having a flashback) Like I think there's acolor no one has ever seen. Or even conceived of. That doesn't show in the spectrum. And it would blow us away if we ever saw it. It would be as important as any of the primary colors. OK, I know that was spacy..but hey, its Friday and I'm playing just a bit. Despite what is sure to be a difficult next few hours for the folks about to get slammed by "fecking Rita Hurricane". :( Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:11:09 -0400 From: Subject: Worst named product for guitarists?, njc Caig makes really great products for cleaning and preserving electrical contacts. Now they've introduced a product for steel stringed instruments. I guess the people in their marketing department a.) do not have any sons in middle school and b.) have never seen Bevis and Butthead. The product for cleaning and treating steel strings is "AxeWipe". Can you believe that? Jim Covington, Kentucky, US soon to be in Dayton, Ohio, US http://store.caig.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:01:50 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: sjc, travelling in some new vehicle On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:34:55 +0000 "Patti Parlette" wrote: > Dearest Joniamigos: > > I'm just chicken-scratching here to thank you all for >your wonderful posts and advice and kindnesses. All >sorrow has been interrupted. etc. That post was SO cool. :) Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:32:55 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: curling njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Fye" > "UFFDA" is not in the dictionary, but for Norwegians, it is an all purpose > expression covering a variety of situations...the same as Charlie Brown's > "Good Grief." I think of it as the Norwegian equivalent of 'Oy vey!' Mark E. in Seattle PS: Anyone heard Bonnie Raitt's latest? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:49:46 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: oyster, njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Rizzo" > Is the world your oyster I think of myself as one of the world's many pearls. Do you know Emmylou Harris's song 'The Pearl'? The last verse is quite beautiful and profound imo: Like falling stars through the Universe we are hurled Down through the long loneliness of the world Until we behold the pain become the pearl The pearl The pearl I love that. It takes a grain of sand to create a pearl, an irritation to the poor oyster that it coats over to make something beautiful. Many people do the same with the trials that life hands them. They produce pearls and they are pearls themselves. I see you as a pearl, Marianne. You have a beautiful lustre in my mind's eye. > > > or > > Is the world your palette? And in this case I see myself as one of the world's many canvases. Of course I use the colors too as do we all to create other works of art. Mostly in my head. Sometimes on the page, sometimes with my voice. And in some sense I think we all paint each other. We all affect one another in our interaction. And we also paint our own mental images of one another. In the end we are all connected, are we not? Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:57:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Worst named product for guitarists?, njc - --- jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > Caig makes really great products for cleaning and > preserving electrical contacts. Now they've > introduced a product for steel stringed instruments. > I guess the people in their marketing department > > a.) do not have any sons in middle school and > b.) have never seen Bevis and Butthead. > > The product for cleaning and treating steel strings > is "AxeWipe". Can you believe that? > Au contraire, I'm sure the choice of name was quite deliberate. Bevis and Butthead are probably their main client group. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:23:32 -0400 From: LesIrvin@jmdl.com Subject: New Library addition: 'The Music Beat' The following article has just been added to the JMDL Library: Title: The Music Beat Publication: Ottawa Citizen Date: 1968-4-19 Type: News Item Find it here under 'Most recent additions...': http://jmdl.com/library ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:24:44 -0400 From: LesIrvin@jmdl.com Subject: New Library addition: 'Quietness, Space Haunt Songs' The following article has just been added to the JMDL Library: Title: Quietness, Space Haunt Songs Publication: Ottawa Citizen Date: 1969-7-3 Type: Interview Find it here under 'Most recent additions...': http://jmdl.com/library ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:36:51 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: A Case of You' and Joni Mitchell's romantic liaisons Hi Karen Marie, I hope you've been sent in interesting directions. Perosnally i had thought the song was about Cohen, but the persuasive cases put forth by varous JMDLers over the years prompted me to revise this a little. I liked the idea mentioned recently that each verse could be about a different man. I don't think Joni was this calculated with it. I really feel that the sum of her expereinces was poured into each line. Each verse may well refer specifically to one individual, but there is a universality, an honesty of emotion that surely cannot be pinned to one specific experience the songwritier had with one specific person. If you have a lot of time it might be worthwhile searching the JMDL archives (i don't know how to do this). Of course, the JMDL library is THE BEST resource when it comes to any thing Joni. I don't know if this is at all relevant or helpful, but i thought i would bring it up: Around 1972 or 1973 Joni performed the song with alternate lyrics. I don't know exactly where or when. I had this on disc once but seem to have misplaced it. I have tried, from memory, to give these lyrics: Just before our ship got lost you said "I am as constant as a northern star" "YOu're Silly as a northern fish" says I If you want me I'll be in the bar" On the back of a cartoon coaster pad That didn't make me laugh at all I drew a map of Canada Oh Canada And i charted our last squall Oh you're in my blood like holy wine You taste so bitter and so sweet Oh I could drink a case of you darling And i'd still be on my feet oh I would still be on my feet Oh I am a lonely painter I live in a box of paints I'm frightened by the devil And I'm scared to death by saints I remember when ????? you told me ???? "Love is touching souls" Surely you touched mine 'Cause part of you pours out of me In black and red designs Oh, you're in my blood like holy wine You taste so bitter and so sweet Oh I could drink a case of you darling And I would still be on my feet I would still be on my feet I met a woman She had a mouth like yours She knew your life Your devils and your deeds And she said "Go to him, stay with him if you can But be prepared to bleed" Oh but you are in my blood You're my holy wine You taste so bitter, bitter and so sweet Oh, I could drink a case of you darling And i'd still be on my feet Yes, I'd still be on my feet - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:52:28 -0400 From: Patti Witten Subject: Joni Bumper stickers idea, and a formal request Ok, I started thinking. Then I quickly made 3 simple bumper sticker images, which I can upload to my cafipress.com store. The beauty of this is that people can order them "on demand" and online, just like any merchandise. 10" x 3.24" color, vinyl bumper stickers would cost $5 each. The base cost is $3.99 each, and the net profit of $2.01 can go to... Jmdl.com as a donation? Here's my request: can I do this, or is it a bad idea... and can I have permission from someone at jmdl -- maybe Les Irvin AKA "Cheap Executive Officer" according to the website :) -- to use the slogans: What Would Joni Do? My Other Car is a Big Yellow Taxi SIQUOMB, isn't she? She Is Queen Undisputedly Of Mind Beauty Joni Never Lies What do you think? Btw this is my store www.cafepress.com/pattiwitten Patti - -- Patti Witten http://pattiwitten.com Hurricane Katrina Aid - Donate to: - - The American Red Cross National Disaster Fund http://redcross.org - - The ASPCA Disaster Relief Fund http://tinyurl.com/bx2wd - - The American Humane Society Disaster Relief Teams https://secure.hsus.org/01/disaster_relief_fund_2005/ - - Sycamore Tryst: profits to Red Cross http://cdbaby.com/witten3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:56:01 -0400 From: Patti Witten Subject: Joni Bumper stickers idea, and a formal request (more) The reason I asked for permission to use the slogans is because there are legal considerations for content... Can't use images or words copyrighted elsewhere. This is from the cafepress.com website: > Cafi press IMAGE GUIDELINES > > You may not sell or save merchandise using the following types of content, > unless you own the content and/or have a license to use it. > > * NO UNOFFICIAL MERCHANDISE E.g., using names or images of musicians, bands, > sports teams, athletes etc. without permission, even for fan club purposes. > Learn more > > > * NO CONTENT DOWNLOADED FROM INTERNET Learn more > > > * NO NAMES/LOGOS OF COMPANIES OR ORGANIZATIONS E.g., NeoPets, Lakers, Dr. > Pepper, Tommy Hilfiger etc. Learn more > > > * NO TRADEMARKED TAGLINES E.g., Just Do It, The Ultimate Driving Machine, Got > Milk? etc. Learn more > > > * NO IMAGES OR LIKENESS OF FAMOUS PEOPLE E.g., photos of Pamela Anderson, > Britney Spears, Brad Pitt, Michael Jordan, Homer Simpson etc. Learn more > > > * NO MANIPULATED CONTENT E.g., using a company's logo as a basis of your > design Learn more > > > * NO PHOTOS OR IMAGES OF KNOWN COPYRIGHTS E.g., Mickey Mouse, Dragonball Z, > Godzilla, Barbie etc. Learn more > > > * NO SEXUALLY EXPLICIT CONTENT Learn more > > > * NO COPYING OF PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED MATERIAL E.g., books, magazines, > publications etc. Learn more > Patti - -- Patti Witten http://pattiwitten.com Hurricane Katrina Aid - Donate to: - - The American Red Cross National Disaster Fund http://redcross.org - - The ASPCA Disaster Relief Fund http://tinyurl.com/bx2wd - - The American Humane Society Disaster Relief Teams https://secure.hsus.org/01/disaster_relief_fund_2005/ - - Sycamore Tryst: profits to Red Cross http://cdbaby.com/witten3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:17:36 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: sjc, travelling in some new vehicle, now njc On 9/23/05, Patti Parlette wrote: > > I'm just chicken-scratching here to thank you all for your wonderful posts > and advice and kindnesses. All sorrow has been interrupted. Darn right! > Woman she bounce back easy. > Back in the early days of the list we had a writer's contest, anyone remember that? My idea for the second writer's contest (which never came about) was to write a story that contained as many Joni lyrics as one could fit in. You just won, Patti! Well... so far.... Les NP: Churc -: "Just for you" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:19:31 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: oyster, njc Thank you Mark for your beautiful thoughtful response to my question today. And thank you for the your beautiful comment about me. I hope that I am the same person in real life that you think of me here. I often think that it is easy to present ourselves, in emails/letters in the IDEAL. Whether purposely or inadvertantly. . . I don't know if, in general, we know what we are getting in a friend until we spend time with them, on a regualr basis. II am getting tangental here. . But how do we know how someone we meet on the internet treats their family, treats their friends. . . How do we know how consistent trustworthy reliable genuine someone is? Are we really the same person we are in cyber space? Well, all I can say right now is, the people I have met on the Jmdl are pretty groovy. . yet, our friends and family know us, perhaps in a different way. For example, something others may not know about me, that often does not get expressed, is that I am very particular. . which can be good and can be bad. things like that. . Question to all: What is something we don't know about you? thanks again Mark XO Marianne - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mark Scott" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Rizzo" >Is the world your oyster I think of myself as one of the world's many pearls. Do you know Emmylou Harris's song 'The Pearl'? The last verse is quite beautiful and profound imo: Like falling stars through the Universe we are hurled Down through the long loneliness of the world Until we behold the pain become the pearl The pearl The pearl I love that. It takes a grain of sand to create a pearl, an irritation to the poor oyster that it coats over to make something beautiful. Many people do the same with the trials that life hands them. They produce pearls and they are pearls themselves. I see you as a pearl, Marianne. You have a beautiful lustre in my mind's eye. > > >or > >Is the world your palette? And in this case I see myself as one of the world's many canvases. Of course I use the colors too as do we all to create other works of art. Mostly in my head. Sometimes on the page, sometimes with my voice. And in some sense I think we all paint each other. We all affect one another in our interaction. And we also paint our own mental images of one another. In the end we are all connected, are we not? Mark E. in Seattle _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:23:46 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: oyster, njc Hi Em, That was beautiful as well. >Like I think there's acolor no one has >ever seen. Or even conceived of. That doesn't show in the spectrum. And >it would blow us away if we ever saw it. It would be as important as >any of the primary colors. "a color no one has seen" very beautiful - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Em - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Is the world your oyster > > > or > > Is the world your palette? ok just for the hell of it...  Is the world your oyster? yeah, but some days it's a real two-biter....  Is the world your palette? well in the sense that many paint colors come from pigments found in the earth, yeah I guess it's my palette, in a way, if a "palette" is the thing you get your paint from... or do you mean, do I "draw" my colors from the earth?? I would say sometimes..and I'm always really delighted when it works out that way...but alot of my colors come from in my head, which mirrors the universe, I feel, somewhat in the way that my iPod mirrors my iTunes. (maybe I'm having a flashback) Like I think there's acolor no one has ever seen. Or even conceived of. That doesn't show in the spectrum. And it would blow us away if we ever saw it. It would be as important as any of the primary colors. OK, I know that was spacy..but hey, its Friday and I'm playing just a bit. Despite what is sure to be a difficult next few hours for the folks about to get slammed by "fecking Rita Hurricane". :( Em _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:48:41 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: it's a gas, gas, gas, njc ~ Some thoughts about gas. I just filled up my gas tank. I have been cautioned to do this just in case Galveston gets hit by the hurricane. . Galveston, Oh Galveston. So you may want to fill up before tonight. I don't mean to be incidental about this. I have a cousin in Houston and cousins and an Aunt in New Orleans. . but also I am concerned about all the people and animals and trees . . . One of my cousins (Linda) lost everthing in New Orleans (although she did not own a home. .she lived in a town house). She is 26, married and has a child, almost two years old. I only met her once when she was 9. . . we have invited her to come live in Rochester. The whole family is going to help her. . and she said yes! but anyway, I guess maybe it would be a good idea to fill up your gas tank just in case the gas prices go up. maybe they will, maybe they won't. ~ _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:52:16 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: home heating, njc ~ and someone told me that it would be a good idea to lock into a contract (for a specified price) with your oil company (if you buy oil) in case the prices ascend even more. I don't know if this would be good or not. What do you think? I don't heat with oil. (I use wood and a little propane.) I am curious about this. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:41:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: home heating, njc Our Natural Gas company just announced a 42% increase, effective in October. Yikes. Luckily Mrs. SCJoniguy likes the house cold. Bob NP: Bruce, "Born In The USA" (on September 23rd!) - --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:25:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: oyster, njc - --- Marianne asks this: > Question to all: > > What is something we don't know about you? I am Colin's bitch. - --Smurf __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 00:47:28 +0100 From: "Jeff Hankins" Subject: Joni: dualities Jim L'Hommedieu said <> And yes, I've been mulling that over a little ( I hadn't thought of Barangrill as taking its place in that great line of duality songs - but of course in its own way it does) That line goes from Both Sides Now, of course, through Shadows and Light, on to Borderline - with lots of minor reference points in between. 'Both Sides Now' is the daddy of them: this is the folkloric standard, up there with nursery rhymes, Blowin in the Wind, and Stephen Foster singalongs. (My 'Pride' note: When putting together his Hits & Misses site Wally Breese asked if I'd do the essay on BSN. No other takers, can you believe it?!. I checked yesterday: pleased to say its still online) 'Shadows and Light': I have to confess - I don't like this song as much as I wish I did, and as much as I have tried to. There's something about it that just feels a little mechanical and contrived. Sorry and all that - still, I appreciate the sentiments. 'Borderline' feels altogether a more organic cohesion of a song. Its exploration of dualities is a mature, probing one. It's a great work, I think. What I wonder (and there's room for a thesis here) - is there any progression to Joni's explorations of the dualities theme. or just re-statements of the same basic premise? Discuss. In her performance-history (as opposed to her writing-history), I like the fact that she comes back to BSN, but with a different voice, a more reflective arrangement. And forgive me, but I feel a burst of very relevant TS Eliot: 'We shall not cease from exploration And the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive where we started And know the place for the first time.' (Four Quartets) That's what that orchestral version makes me think - the leisurely, sinuous, mercurial performance, rather than the (by comparison) harsher voiced, strident strum of the Clouds version. We're back where we started, but its different too: we're knowing the truth of 'I really don't know life at all' for the first time - maybe? You're so right, Jim, about Joni's 'gift for expressing and exploring duality' - and its more than just a neat ear for balanced epithets and paired images: it offers, if we can hear it, a very humane perspective, inviting us to wonder and delight at a life which always surprises us by offering conflicting and unpredictable juxtapositions ; and warning us against the dangers of polarizing, against the brash 'certainties' of any kind of blinkered fundamentalisms, against the drawing up of militaristic 'borderlines' which deny human impulses toward dialogue and empathy. When you get down to it, 'Something lost and something gained/ in living every day' retains a startling profundity. And 'I really don't know life at all' has a necessary humility to guard against any pompous stance on experience. Thanks for setting the wheels in motion, Jim Jeff, Wales ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:02:41 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Catherine sticky fingers, njc Catherine, Bree put your sticky fingers picture on our desktop for a few days so we can laugh when we sign on. Now, tell us what the sticky stuff is. Marianne and Bree or perhaps we can all guess. . . Bree says, "It's not honey, I wonder what the hell it is. . " : -) (can we get the direct link?) _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 01:31:54 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Joni Magi and the contest Re: ACOY - Well Done Nicola, thank you. That was what I was looking for. I like the quotes you chose for the contest. My pick would be Just like this train - ``lately I don't count on nothing - I just let things slide`` Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft. SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:28:52 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: oyster, njc > What is something we don't know about you? I like heights. I want to skydive. Seriously. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:22:00 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: test njc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:35:34 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: dualities - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Hankins" > < she has a special gift for expressing duality.>> > > > 'Both Sides Now' is the daddy of them: its still online) > > 'Shadows and Light':> > 'Borderline' You left out what to my mind is her most exhaustive exploration of the subject: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter And I like 'Shadows and Light'. Especially the gospel rendering on the live album of the same name. I think the song is beautifully constructed with very carefully chosen images and subjects for each verse. Maybe that makes it mechanical and contrived. I don't care. I still love it and I think it's beautiful and brilliant, just like Joni and Jenny Cavalleri. So I won't apologize for loving it or Joni or Jenny because love means never having to say you're sorry. (Just ask Tatum O'Neal.) Mark E. in Seattle excited because I'm going to see Rickie Lee Jones in a 300 seat venue in Seattle on Sunday night. Taking my copy of 'Duchess of Coolsville' along, just in case! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #364 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)