From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #359 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, September 19 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 359 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #266 [seulbzzaj@aol.com] 'A Case of You' and Joni Mitchell's romantic liaisons [Karen Marie Espela] Re: joni and sports ["mike pritchard" ] Ian Shaw to release Joni tribute CD [Bob Muller ] Re: 'A Case of You' and Joni Mitchell's romantic liaisons ["Gerald A. Not] Re: How tall is Joni? [Nuriel Tobias ] RE: Ian Shaw to release Joni tribute CD [Joseph Palis ] jmdl etiquette, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] RE: Ian Shaw to release Joni tribute CD [Bob Muller ] Re: jmdl etiquette? NJC [Bob Muller ] drum and bass recommendations NJC ["mike pritchard" ] How tall is Joni? ["Patti Parlette" ] Latest News (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: drum and bass recommendations NJC [Em ] Re: Pres Bush's speech, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] wildflower sprouting from the concrete, was Pres Bush's speech, njc ["Ka] Re: drum and bass recommendations NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: drum and bass recommendations NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: 'A Case of You' and Joni Mitchell's romantic liaisons [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: joni and sports [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: How tall is Joni? [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: How tall is Joni? [jrmco1@aol.com] RE: drum and bass recommendations NJC [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: joni and sports [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: How tall is Joni? ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: drum and bass recommendations NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: wildflower sprouting from the concrete, was Pres Bush's speech, njc [] looking for Richard Shindell lyrics NJC asap [mags h ] Re: 'A Case of You' and Joni Mitchell's romantic liaisons [Lori Fye ] joni and sports ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: wildflower sprouting from the concrete, was Pres Bush's speech, njc [LCStanley7@aol.co] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 03:28:45 -0400 From: seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #266 Hi to all at JMDL, I don't know if this has been mentioned, but you may be interested to know that the British jazz singer, Ian Shaw, is recording a new cd of all Joni compositions....thought I'd pass that on. Best, Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:14:29 +0200 From: Karen Marie Espeland Subject: 'A Case of You' and Joni Mitchell's romantic liaisons Hello! I am a post-graduate student at University of Oslo, Norway, and I am working on a thesis on the analysis of pop music. I have chosen to focus on Joni Mitchell and analyse some of her songs, one of them 'A Case of You'. Does anyone on the JMDL know who she refers to in the song? (Who is 'you'?) Perhaps it could have been Graham Nash, as she lived with him for a period of time before going on her journey in Europe? It has also been suggested that the man in the song is Leonard Cohen, as the words 'I am as constant as a Northern Star' (actually a quote from Shakespear's Julius Caesar) is not likely to be a phrase pronounced by Nash. Does anyone know when, and for how long, Joni Mitchell dated Leonard Cohen? I would be interested in knowing more about Joni's relationships before her Blue-period. It is interesting to find out how her personal life corresponds with her songs! All the best, Karen Marie, Oslo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 13:32:05 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: joni and sports Jamie asked >> Can someone tell me HOW short she actually is?<< well that depends; on Songs to a Seagull she was 38.09 (pretty short), on Clouds she was 37.43 (even shorter), and so on. I really can't help more than this without wasting the day. He later said >>...for women the average height is 5'6" and anything below that is 'short' apparently... << Average in Korea, Norway, Bolivia, worldwide? Careful with the word 'average'. Good luck with the tour, Jamie. 'Break a leg' (or 'mucha mierda' as they say in Spain). mike in barcelona (1.78m) np Sonny Rollins - Misterioso ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 05:29:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Ian Shaw to release Joni tribute CD Well, I for one am VERY interested Scott - thanks for the news. I checked his website and a couple of news outlets but couldn't see any references. Just wondering how you got this info, some of your overseas jazz connections I suppose. Ian has of course already graced the covers project a number of times with covers of: This Flight Tonight Goodbye Pork Pie Hat Good stuff, too - this should be an amazing collection. Bob NP: The Beatles, "Sun King" seulbzzaj@aol.com wrote: Hi to all at JMDL, I don't know if this has been mentioned, but you may be interested to know that the British jazz singer, Ian Shaw, is recording a new cd of all Joni compositions....thought I'd pass that on. Best, Scott Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 08:30:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: 'A Case of You' and Joni Mitchell's romantic liaisons Hello Karen, and Welcome. I am a long time JMDL member and Joni fan, and a University Librarian at USF. If you read Joni's interviews over the years, one of the most important things she stresses about her work is the universality of it. To analyze her lyrics is to ignore the who, and to explore the why. Like the work of all great artists, it is as true in Joni as it is with Picasso or Shakespeare or Dali. The specificity of the individuals of their art really matters little, it is the impact their art has on their audience that matters. Jerry Karen Marie Espeland wrote: > Hello! > I am a post-graduate student at University of Oslo, Norway, and I am > working on a thesis on the analysis of pop music. I have chosen to focus > on > Joni Mitchell and analyse some of her songs, one of them 'A Case of You'. > Does anyone on the JMDL know who she refers to in the song? (Who is > 'you'?) > Perhaps it could have been Graham Nash, as she lived with him for a period > of time before going on her journey in Europe? It has also been suggested > that the man in the song is Leonard Cohen, as the words 'I am as constant > as > a Northern Star' (actually a quote from Shakespear's Julius Caesar) is not > likely to be a phrase pronounced by Nash. Does anyone know when, and for > how > long, Joni Mitchell dated Leonard Cohen? I would be interested in knowing > more about Joni's relationships before her Blue-period. It is interesting > to > find out how her personal life corresponds with her songs! > All the best, > Karen Marie, > Oslo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 06:07:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: How tall is Joni? How cute that Don Juan seems with Joni's light shining on him. And how happy she seems. Oh, why do fools fall in love, hmmm? Catherine McKay wrote: Joni and Don Freed (2nd pic) and with a bunch o' people at Polar Prize, 1996: http://www.polarmusicprize.com/newSite/cerm1996.shtml - --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:19:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE: Ian Shaw to release Joni tribute CD This is exciting news if this project will come into fruition. I like Ian Shaw's elastic voice and the way he sings Joni's songs. He takes risks and vocal liberties with the melody without coming out self-indulgent. Was also wondering if the "Big Yellow Taxi" cover that is contained in Amy Grant's new (greatest hits?) release is the same as the one in the covers project. The new BYT in Amy Grant's album sleeve said it is a remix. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Angela Hagenbach "Bittersweet" (from "Poetry of Love") - --- Bob Muller a icrit : > Well, I for one am VERY interested Scott - thanks > for the news. I checked his website > and a couple of news outlets but couldn't see any > references. Just wondering how you got this info, > some of your overseas jazz connections I suppose. > > Ian has of course already graced the covers project > a number of times with covers of: > > This Flight Tonight > Goodbye Pork Pie Hat > > Good stuff, too - this should be an amazing > collection. > > Bob > > NP: The Beatles, "Sun King" > > seulbzzaj@aol.com wrote: > Hi to all at JMDL, > > I don't know if this has been mentioned, but you may > be interested to know that the > British jazz singer, Ian Shaw, is recording a new cd > of all Joni compositions....thought I'd pass that > on. > > Best, > Scott > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Tilichargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:25:42 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: jmdl etiquette? NJC From: Bob Muller >Hi Jeff, >It's easy to become paranoid and self-defensive about posts that go >unanswered. I send lots of >stuff expecting some reaction and >typically get zip. I've learned not to take it personally and when I talk >to folks at Jonifests and such >I realize that lots of >people enjoy what I write, they just don't respond to it. >I've enjoyed your posts, and have tried to respond to most of them. So >don't go back to lurking, >please - lurking sucks. You >obviously have a wealth of Joni knowledge and music knowledge in general, >so keep 'em coming >pal. >The more voices, the better. and the more out of tune voices, the better. . (I know you were all thinking that) >I realize that lots of >people enjoy what I write, they just don't respond to it. yeah, I am one of these people. . and I am looking forward to giving Bob a big hug and a kiss next time I see him. .. XOXO Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 09:34:32 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: jmdl etiquette, njc From: "mack watson-bush" >It's the same all over Jeff. I have written many times and have gotten no >response. Used to hurt my feelings but have adjusted and now write as more >of a way to evoke something in myself as opposed to others. People are >people and there is no predicting them. Great bunch here though I write. >Nice to read you. > >mack Hello, sweet Mack. (Jeff, Bob and all) I think many of us are reading and absorbing what is said . . and we are all making a significant difference in each other's lives. . . and we have a groovy thing going on. . (right Patty?) ie: you are being listened to. . (for the most part, except if somebody continues to annoy you and then you hit delete) sometimes there just is nothing in particular, to say back. or people are kind of busy. . you know. .. Love to all Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 06:59:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: Ian Shaw to release Joni tribute CD Oh, and Ian does a nice cover of "Furry Sings The Blues" too. I KNEW there was more than 2. Bob NP: Heartless Bastards, "Onion" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 07:04:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: jmdl etiquette? NJC See? Now THERE'S the kind of response I'm talking about! LOL Bob - --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:03:44 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: drum and bass recommendations NJC Could anyone recommend some good 'drum'n'bass' music/groups? mike in bcn np Tete Montoliu - Coltraniana ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 16:51:09 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: How tall is Joni? Five-foot three-and-a-HALF inch Catherine wrote: Here's a pic of Joni with Eric Andersen at Hugh's Room, Toronto, 2001. Eric is pretty tall, as I recall. If he's 6 feet tall, would Joni be 5'6"? Hmm, wonder if she's wearing heels. Or maybe he is... Actually, I think he's over 6' tall. http://www.hughsroom.com/zericandersen.html Joni and Don Freed (2nd pic) and with a bunch o' people at Polar Prize, 1996: http://www.polarmusicprize.com/newSite/cerm1996.shtml Joni with John Kimura Parker(who looks pretty tall in the other pics) (3rd picture down): http://www.kimura.com/photo2.html I'm guessing she's 5'7" or 5'8" which, to me, is pretty tall, but then, I'm only 5'3-1/2" (that 1/2" is very important to me!) - ---------------------------- Thanks for those pictures, Catherine! I just *happen* to have a beautiful, 8" X 10" framed glossy photograph here in my Joni-room. It is a picture of Joni and some guy travelling in some elevator. I believe it was taken in San Francisco on Earth Day 2005. Explication de photographe: In this photograph, Joni looks open and receptive as this man pretty much mauls her in the elevator. He looks to be about 2 or 3 inches taller than she is, but it's really hard to say, because the focal point of the photo, for me, is this beautiful man. He stands out of this picture like a ruby in a black man's ear. One gets the sense that, all his life, his only channelled aspiration was getting to meet this girl. He has a "this magic moment" ebullient smile on his face and, quelle coincidence, a ruby in one ear. He is grabbing the beautiful beaded necklace (the colors are turquoise *blue* and fresh-salmon-frying red) around Joni's neck as if to rip them off for a souvenir (he tried but he could not get it down), but it doesn't seem to bother our Joan. She doesn't seem to mind the clumsy things he said and did. She commands his head, she tries his sanity, as she smiles with him, cheek to cheek. At the end of her impossibly gentle hand is what looks like a Bic lighter. I'd say she lit *his" fire this one enchanted evening, because the smile on his face says: "This is my OWN shining hour!" J'adore cette photographe! My son Chris, who always teases me about my JMOCD, printed it for me. He suggested that I try to find the man in the picture so HE can autograph it for me. Never mind the famous woman of heart and mind in the picture.....lol! He's the well kept secret of the underground, but if anyone can find this man, he may be able to shed a little light on you and on me, to shed a little light on the height story. With a wink and a smile, Patti P. P.S. Catherine, fellow Mama Lion, that STINKS that Sarah got fired for no reason! Claws extended! BOO HISS! I'm sure no JMDLer will ever set foot in a Curry's Art Store now. And that boss? HA! For him, I dream flat tires! Four of them! And when that malevolent miserable merchant rolls his awning down, I hope it hits him on the head! And when the milktrucks make their morning rounds, I hope they run over his foot! And I hope he's in debt to the company store! And I hope his remaining customers are watching his hairline recede! So THERE, you short-sighted business man! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:13:02 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Latest News (NJC) Hi Everybody and Happy Sunday! I have not written in a couple of days but there have been many things going on. We have another family staying with us right now and the son is a musician so I have been busy playing a lot which is so good. Also my friend Carl Dennis surfaced in Baton Rouge which is a huge relief. His house is totally devastated and he does not know what he is going to do. We have made plans to get together asap and of course he will be here for Thanksgiving for our family dinner. Also my friend Jeff Gex (FOH engineer for Yes and Neville Bros. Etc>) is ok and his house actually survived the storm and he lives in Bay St. Louis where the devastation is incredible. I know a lot of you have met him in the past and he has hosted you to back stage passes etc. The Katrinaspianofund.org is making headway in getting musicians that lost everything some tools back to be able to work. Lynn Skinner called me from Colorado this am and we are going to be joining forces to impact peoples families financially in the Gulf Coast area. I cannot wait to meet this woman as she sounds like a wonderful person. Les you have found a real gem here. Heads up to all JMDL members in the NY and Boston area as she will be playing over there very soon. I will post dates as soon as she emails them to me. I ventured into the city day before yesterday and was able to get to the building where my studio equipment and musical instruments are now. I am on the 7th floor there so I was not worried about flooding there, but I was concerned about the looting. I was able to get to the 7th floor and inspect very briefly my room and it seems that nothing is missing but the door had been kicked in by NOPD to see if there was anyone in there. I am hopefully going to be able to go back there today and secure the door with some padlocks. I share that room with Kevin Aucoin and Brian Stoltz. I went by Kevin's house that day as well and he had about 1 foot of water in his house. He is in NY for a bit getting the family settled there. The smell there is beyond description. I will never forget it and I don't want to smell it ever again. The city is still in horrible khaos and political BS is rising. The impact of government agencies still seems to be marginal. The most devastated areas are being effected more by just common people than the agencies. This is why we are going to try and impact people on a more personal level and provide financial and brotherly support one family at a time. Jack got to Jackson Mississippi last night and is now with his mom. He is going to stay there for a little while and will probably come here soon. If you want to write him directly his is still using meacoustic@yahoo.com It's time for me to get going so I will write more later. Thanks for all the continued emails and phone calls and letters and all kinds of support. Talk to you all soon Love Paz NP-Alex The Space Between on my piano. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:39:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: drum and bass recommendations NJC Cream. Em - --- mike pritchard wrote: > Could anyone recommend some good 'drum'n'bass' music/groups? > mike in bcn > np Tete Montoliu - Coltraniana ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:25:50 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Pres Bush's speech, njc >Perhaps I judge him too harshly but, on the other hand, maybe give him too much credit and forgive him for the appearance of knowing not what he does when, in fact, he may be quite aware and really doesn't give a sh*t.< I tend to agree with the above... his off handed remark about his partying daze when he was supposed to be addressing the hurricane disaster really amplified my perception of him being incredibly self-involved & dense... that swagger & smirk is never far from the surface... I perceive him as a figure head to those who are really in power, someone who inherited the throne & likes the attention but not the work, someone who has little substance to his character & an uninteresting personality because he is so uninterested in the world around him... there was a recent article about how he had such little information about katrina's devastation (for many days- he doesn't like getting his info from the news) & that his handlers had to finally force him to look at the information... how he can be so nasty & some are afraid to make him do something he doesn't want to do... we saw that nasty petulant side of him during the debates... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:15:25 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: wildflower sprouting from the concrete, was Pres Bush's speech, njc I've always been amazed & inspired how grass or flowers can push their way through the concrete & create cracks... mother nature is powerful in both subtle & obvious ways... humankind has forgotten that we are not the all powerful ones, that we are mere guests on this living breathing planet & if we don't live in accordance to the natural laws we will be shrugged aside... I don't know if it is too late to change the way things are going but I choose to live as though it is never too late, & that miracles can happen... although I do like the phrase hope for the best plan for the worst... Here is a link to a speech by Thomas Banyanca (who I was so fortunate to hear several times). It is regarding the Hopi prophecy I've mentioned before here... about how there will come a time (which might be now) when we have a final choice.. "This rock drawing shows part of the Hopi prophecy. There are two paths. The first with technology but separate from natural and spiritual law leads to these jagged lines representing chaos. The lower path is one that remains in harmony with natural law. Here we see a line that represents a choice like a bridge joining the paths. If we return to spiritual harmony and live from our hearts, we can experience a paradise in this world. If we continue only on this upper path, we will come to destruction." http://www.welcomehome.org/rainbow/prophecy/hopi.html And here is the rock drawing he refers to: http://www.welcomehome.org/rainbow/prophecy/hopirock.gif ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:28:00 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: drum and bass recommendations NJC Power trios...Mountain...Beck..Bruce...Carmen Appice (drummer for Vanilla Fudge) Bree >From: Em >Reply-To: Em >To: mike pritchard , list >Subject: Re: drum and bass recommendations NJC >Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:39:19 -0700 (PDT) > >Cream. >Em > >--- mike pritchard wrote: > > > Could anyone recommend some good 'drum'n'bass' music/groups? > > mike in bcn > > np Tete Montoliu - Coltraniana ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:57:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: drum and bass recommendations NJC Hi Bree, I have since learned that there is a class of techno/dance/club music that is known as "drum and bass". Thanks to Mike for educating me! :) Em - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Power trios...Mountain...Beck..Bruce...Carmen Appice (drummer for > Vanilla > Fudge) > > > Bree > > >From: Em > >Reply-To: Em > >To: mike pritchard , list > >Subject: Re: drum and bass recommendations NJC > >Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:39:19 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Cream. > >Em > > > >--- mike pritchard wrote: > > > > > Could anyone recommend some good 'drum'n'bass' music/groups? > > > mike in bcn > > > np Tete Montoliu - Coltraniana ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:02:03 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: drum and bass recommendations NJC Apologies: drum'n'bass obviously means something different in the US and in Europe. I was thinking of an electronic, jungle/trip hop-derived style of music. The two responses I received (thanks to you both) both mentioned a totally different type of music. I am not interested, at this moment, in groups like Cream, Mountain or Jeff Beck; but more Bristol style music, Tricky, Massive Attack, and even the young Beth Orton. mike in bcn np Barcelona vs Madrid ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 16:39:51 -0400 From: "JR" Subject: Re: drum and bass recommendations NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bree Mcdonough" To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 3:28 PM Subject: Re: drum and bass recommendations NJC > Power trios...Mountain...Beck..Bruce...Carmen Appice (drummer for Vanilla > Fudge) > > > Bree Maybe, Beck, Bogert and Appice? JR in NH ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 21:56:33 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: 'A Case of You' and Joni Mitchell's romantic liaisons Hi Karen Marie, I love the fact that you've chosen to write your thesis on Joni Mitchell. A Case of You is a beautiful song and a brilliant song to write a thesis on love on. Good luck with it! It has been suggested also that it's James Taylor... someone mentioned on list that Joni was referring to his sister (not sure what her name is) when 'she met a woman who had a mouth like yours'. The most important thing that Joni wrote about this song, and her music in general, was that it's probably a composite portrait (see Carly Simon 'You're So Vain') and it's the emotional truth that is more important than the biographical details. (I was going to say 'biological' but we ALL know aout James Taylor's biological details! ;-)) I think that the Leonard Cohen liaison was probably earlier in the 60's during Newport Festival. It has been suggested that 'Rainy Night House' from 1969 is about Leonard Cohen but I can't remember why... Good luck with your thesis! It's probably best to mention that Joni Mitchell writes songs for everyone. This song about a moment prior tp the break-up of a relationship, was about the effect your lover has on you, how they change the way you think and perceive the world. Her major concern for her 'audience' wasn't 'who is this song about' as this makes the song limiting to an era, not the timeless and universal feelings that everyone goes though in life, which makes the songs lasting. Yes, she probably wrote it about someone specific but the feelings that were evoked in her about this person probably awoke more hidden feelings in her about previous relationships so she could refer to those feelings and moments in this song to enable to heal herself, and hopefully other people. Yes, it's rather strange for someone to say 'I am as constant as a Northern Star' so that would make that line specific to someone but the line, as you correctly put, is from Shakespeare. Her mother quoted Shakespeare to her (and not The Bible), I'm sure Leonard Cohen (I could be wrong, I don't know his work) is more likely to quote from the Torah or Camus or Lorca (see http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1296&ss=leonard%20cohen As it is Shakepeare, it might be Nash as Shakespeare is studied British schools as part of the curriculum but this is just pure conjecture. There are few songs that you can pin-point specific people on Joni and she tends ot name them: Her Mama, her Papa, Donald Freed, There are LOTS you can speculate on. Or maybe that's just my view as I don't want to think about the songs in a biographical way about her life. I know I love Joni's music and writing for the way they reverberate through the experiences and feelings in my life or that of people I'm close to. She perhaps wrote songs about people but I think the songs are 'obscured' enough to make them universal for all of us to connect with, and not just go 'Oh this song is only about Joni Mitchell's life, nothing to do with me... Anyway... I hope some of this is useful to you and I hope it doesn't come across as didactic or condescending. All the best with it. Much Joni Jamie Zoob ps. If you would like to ask me any further questions on Ms Mitchell, I would be happy to wax away. Unfortunately I will be 'off-list' for the next few weeks perhaps months as I am on tour but I will be checking emails sporadically. - --- Karen Marie Espeland wrote: > Hello! > I am a post-graduate student at University of Oslo, > Norway, and I am > working on a thesis on the analysis of pop music. I > have chosen to focus on > Joni Mitchell and analyse some of her songs, one of > them 'A Case of You'. > Does anyone on the JMDL know who she refers to in > the song? (Who is 'you'?) > Perhaps it could have been Graham Nash, as she lived > with him for a period > of time before going on her journey in Europe? It > has also been suggested > that the man in the song is Leonard Cohen, as the > words 'I am as constant as > a Northern Star' (actually a quote from Shakespear's > Julius Caesar) is not > likely to be a phrase pronounced by Nash. Does > anyone know when, and for how > long, Joni Mitchell dated Leonard Cohen? I would be > interested in knowing > more about Joni's relationships before her > Blue-period. It is interesting to > find out how her personal life corresponds with her > songs! > All the best, > Karen Marie, > Oslo > ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:01:36 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: joni and sports lol Mike. Dry as ever. Yes average in the western world, northern hemisphere, where Joni comes from, of course... physically, that is, not mentally or intellectually as she's in that 'Eastern Race' on her colour wheel, if you go by Joni's reckoning! lol Much Joni Jamie Zoob Jeez, I forgot you were a pedagogue!!! - --- mike pritchard wrote: > Jamie asked > >> Can someone tell me HOW short she actually is?<< > > well that depends; on Songs to a Seagull she was > 38.09 (pretty short), on > Clouds she was 37.43 (even shorter), and so on. I > really can't help more than > this without wasting the day. > > He later said > >>...for women the average height is 5'6" and > anything below that is 'short' > apparently... << > > Average in Korea, Norway, Bolivia, worldwide? > Careful with the word > 'average'. > > Good luck with the tour, Jamie. 'Break a leg' (or > 'mucha mierda' as they say > in Spain). > > mike in barcelona (1.78m) > np Sonny Rollins - Misterioso > ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:12:38 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: How tall is Joni? Sorry, I'm still convinced she's not that tall... I mean in this picture, her shoes are definitely 'built up'. ;-) Someone on the list that has seen her was really surprised that she was really small... Please who are you? ;-) Much Joni Jamie Zoob - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > How cute that Don Juan seems with Joni's light > shining on him. And how happy she seems. Oh, why do > fools fall in love, hmmm? > > Catherine McKay wrote: > Joni and Don Freed (2nd pic) and with a bunch o' > people at Polar Prize, 1996: > http://www.polarmusicprize.com/newSite/cerm1996.shtml > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 17:10:16 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: How tall is Joni? She 'mauled' me first, Patti Parlette! :-) I'm 5'10", so I figure she's about 5'8' or so. But my furtive glance never quite reached her feet, so you know she may have been wearing heels of an inch or two height. By the by, Joni Mitchell has very, very soft skin. And she smells like what I imagine the Garden of Eden must've smelled like. Sigh. - -Julius NPIMH - "This Magic Moment" - -----Original Message----- From: Patti Parlette Thanks for those pictures, Catherine! I just *happen* to have a beautiful, 8" X 10" framed glossy photograph here in my Joni-room. It is a picture of Joni and some guy travelling in some elevator. I believe it was taken in San Francisco on Earth Day 2005. With a wink and a smile, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:23:15 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: RE: drum and bass recommendations NJC Hi Mike I thought you meant the dnb that my friends are into... my god... it's impossible to dance to!!!! The nights that I have been to I don't know how these (I swear I was going to say 'youngsters') clubbers do it... it has no rhythm, or I can't feel it. I love clubbing usually and a friend of mine writes dnb tracks but not to my cup of tea. I can get them to recommend you some good (I probably mean 'undeground' or 'hardcore' or someother more 'street' slang that I can't do unless it's in a script!) so I will let you know Jamie Zoob - --- mike pritchard wrote: > Apologies: drum'n'bass obviously means something > different in the US and in > Europe. I was thinking of an electronic, jungle/trip > hop-derived style of > music. The two responses I received (thanks to you > both) both mentioned a > totally different type of music. I am not > interested, at this moment, in > groups like Cream, Mountain or Jeff Beck; but more > Bristol style music, > Tricky, Massive Attack, and even the young Beth > Orton. > mike in bcn > np Barcelona vs Madrid > ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 23:38:58 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: joni and sports >>Jeez, I forgot you were a pedagogue!!!<< I'm not a pedagogue, just pedantic. mike in barcelona, who looks forward to Jamie's advice on dnb. np Jorge Drexler (excellent Spanish-language singer-songwriter) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:47:00 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: joni and sports Now here's me thinking you taught... ;-b - --- mike pritchard wrote: > >>Jeez, I forgot you were a pedagogue!!!<< > > I'm not a pedagogue, just pedantic. > > mike in barcelona, who looks forward to Jamie's > advice on dnb. > np Jorge Drexler (excellent Spanish-language > singer-songwriter) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:05:04 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: How tall is Joni? >She 'mauled' me first, Patti Parlette! :-) Yeah, *WHATEVER*, Julius! You pinned the poor girl in the corner and you would not take no! > >By the by, Joni Mitchell has very, very soft skin. And she smells like >what I imagine the Garden of Eden must've smelled like. Geez, just how close to the bone and the skin and the eyes and the lips did you get? XO, Patti P., 5'6", who once shook Joni's impossibly gentle hand at the foot of the stage of the New Haven Coliseum, so I know just how this magic moment feels! Kinda like this: Joni Angel how I love her How I tingle when she passes by Everytime she says hello My heart begins to fly. Joni Angel, Joni Angel Joni Angel, Joni Angel You're an angel to me. (I'm in heaven, I get carried away......this crazy OCD, this JMOCD....) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:46:40 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: drum and bass recommendations NJC Yes..yes...I was thinking of Jack Bruce..you are right..the bassist was Bogert. Bree > > Power trios...Mountain...Beck..Bruce...Carmen Appice (drummer for >Vanilla > > Fudge) > > > > > > Bree > >Maybe, Beck, Bogert and Appice? >JR in NH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 00:06:33 +0100 From: "Jeff Hankins" Subject: Joni and the BBC Guy wrote: <> Thank goodness for that. I was beginning to think I'd imagined them! And well done! They were ground-breaking weren't they? What other names do you remember left off my list? <> Funny: I wonder how many of us across the country were there setting up our clumpy reel-to-reels in the living room? And if only we'd had videos then, eh? Wasn't that '72 show a beautiful one? <> Well, Guy, I hope you're right. I can't imagine the Beeb throwing them out. On the other hand, when and where have you seen any of these old concerts on TV? The Neil Young one appeared on some sattelite channel didn't it- they must have sold that on. (and wonderful it is, by the way!) And the first Joni concert (half an hour of it) got an airing on BBC4 a couple of years ago, I've seen nothing since. They really are sitting on a goldmine of archive, if they still have those tapes. I'd love to see the '72 concert again, wouldn't you. Well, I'd like to see them all, thinking about it - especially early James Taylor, and Laura Nyro... jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 20:47:16 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: wildflower sprouting from the concrete, was Pres Bush's speech, njc > I see a wildflower sprouting up out of a crack in the concrete. Excellent, Marianne! Thank you. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 17:41:08 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: looking for Richard Shindell lyrics NJC asap I'm trying to find the lyrics to "I am" sung by Richard Shindell .. not sure if it is his song or not, however, I would appreciate it very much if someone would forward them to me, asap I need this for performance purposes this coming Wednesday. Mags Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 20:54:59 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: 'A Case of You' and Joni Mitchell's romantic liaisons Hi Karen Marie! Welcome and good luck with your thesis! Jamie pointed you to an article in the JMDL Library. It's a treasure trove of information. Be sure to check it out! Jamie also wrote: > It has been suggested also that it's James Taylor... > someone mentioned on list that Joni was referring to > his sister (not sure what her name is) when 'she met a > woman who had a mouth like yours'. Unless James has (had?) more than one sister, it would be Kate Taylor. I used to own an album she recorded. She definitely resembled James. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 21:33:00 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: jmdl etiquette? Hi Jeff, You said, >I've shot my mouth off on a few subjects within the last couple of weeks, so I'll probably go quiet again soon. it's a bit unsettling. Like - ever been to a party where everyone goes very quiet after you just said something is there any kind of etiquette going on here that one ought to familiarize oneself with?> Now Jim: Yo, dude. I've enjoyed reading your thoughts on Joni's career, especially the one on Sept 6. On that day I was writing about the flood in New Orleans and the pictures coming back from JoniFest in France. (BTW, what happened to the Yahoo! group called "NortheastJonifest"? Yahoo! said today it doesn't exist!) You're part of a laid-back group, here. Here's a photo of one of the reunions on Ashara's back porch. http://home.fuse.net/jlamadoo/Victor_Kate_Ashara_Paz_Sharon.jpg Everyone in this picture sings and plays. They let me hang around because they need a photographer. I'm "the Joel Bernstein" of the JMDL. Anyway, I'll intersperse some comments: On 6 Sep you said, >somehow can say to her: look, thanks for all the compilations, but please, no more: this is what we want, what we really really want, the 'box set' of rarities> Yes, we all want some of those rarities. Many of them are available through collectors. I have a bunch on cassettes and can dub onto cassettes. I've promised not to go into the CD creation world with them though. Want cassettes? Then you said, >2.. I believe it's fairly well documented that Joel Bernstein is the real archivist of the coffee-house tapes of those early years. > Yeah, I was wrong about Neil Young. Then you said, >Still, if anyone has inroads into Mr Bernstein's confidence, and into his ear, heart and mind, perhaps they can exert an influence for the release of these recordings, before we get too old to enjoy them.> Now me: I'm sure Joel's doing what he can. You know from reading her interviews that Joni's default answer to projects is "no". I don't know Joel but you can BET he wants to help get this stuff out there. Have you seen his pictures on the inside of the "Songs of a Prairie Girl" package? Did you see his photos in the "Refuge of the Roads" DVD? He's plugged in, alright. For now, remember that we have plenty to listen to. She owes us nothing, eh? If you want some new, edgy songs to listen to, check out Patricia Barber. Want some new love songs? Try "Over the Rhine". Want some funny new songs? Check out Nellie McKay. You get the point. You said, > 3.. .Why aren't those early songs more celebrated? Why don't we fly them high?> Well, being an appreciator of Joni Mitchell is often a solitary deal. You're not the only one who loves the early songs best. Here's a shot of Marcel Deste when Anne Sandstrom was playing an early song: http://home.fuse.net/jlamadoo/Marcel_enjoying_an_early_song.jpg I guess he was transported, eh? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 21:39:57 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: joni and sports Joni is so short... that when I tried to take her picture in Detroit during the "Both Sides Now" tour from the lip of the stage, I couldn't see her over the footlights. Joni's so short... Niki Johnson towers over her. She's so short that she stands on her chair at the dinner table. (Okay, who's next? Catherine? RR? Muller? How short is she?) All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu Covington, Kentucky (but moving to Dayton, Ohio in 3 weeks) Jamie asked, >I believe someone saw a dress that she wore for some concert of other for auction and it was a size 6 or something ridiculous... She is only short as well... Can someone tell me HOW short she actually is?> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 23:55:33 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: wildflower sprouting from the concrete, was Pres Bush's speech, njc A flower child wrote: I see a wildflower sprouting up out of a crack in the concrete. Hi Daisy, Beautiful little thing isn't it? I read an article on evolution the other day in our Catholic newspaper, an article on how evolution is a beautiful process. Got me thinking of the will to survive. When I was walking, I thought... wow even plants, said not to have much consciousness, will to survive. The will of plants is just as strong as any other living creature's will to survive... programmed in them. I noticed the grass growing in cracks in the street and was thinking of how people do the same thing... set roots even where it might not be the safest place to grow, like in New Orleans. And the majority survives. After the depression, things got better. After the civil war, things got better. It's in our nature to come back stronger. Things will get better for our country after Bush. Revolution may have been thought of as only a fad of the 1960's, but it is in us and is happening. "Something's lost but something's gained in living every day." The truth is the truth and sometimes it is painful to wake up to it. But we seem to share the pattern of the plants. Cool that you made this analogy Daisy-come-what-May. Love, Laura ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #359 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)