From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #352 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, September 12 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 352 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: born on the bayou NJC ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: These people are not from this planet -- njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] njc, hurricane ["Marianne Rizzo" ] joni prescriptions ["Marianne Rizzo" ] joni and bob and judy and joni ["JEFF HANKINS" ] [none] ["Anne Sandstrom" ] Re: joni and bob and judy and joni [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: joni and bob and judy and joni ["Michael Flaherty" ] Re: joni and bob and judy and joni ["JEFF HANKINS" ] Re: joni prescriptions [Deb Messling ] Re: joni and bob and judy and joni ["Mark Scott" ] Johnny Cash, on npr, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: US govt and N.O. -- njc [Lori Fye ] Another Dog Eat Dog, by Fagen and Becker (njc, really) [littlebreen@comca] (NJC) Introducing my friend Cecile [Lori Fye ] Re: US govt and N.O. -- njc ["Kakki" ] Re: US govt and N.O. -- njc ["Kakki" ] Re: iPod question.. NJC ["ron" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 07:51:14 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: RE: born on the bayou NJC Not a big Foo Fighters fan...however, I deeply appreciate the fact that David Grohl provided the fodder for Veruca Salt's last CD "Resolver," one of the most underrated albums of my lifetime. You can literally feel Louise Post's heart breaking on that CD after Grohl had cheated on her. It is also doubly sad that her friend Nina Gordon - (the other co-founder of the original VS) - had already left the band. Yet the music is not depressing at all. Lots of humor is mixed in with the angry. Louise even pokes fun at herself. Resolver has been in my car CD player for about the last two weeks! Mia <> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:23:37 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: These people are not from this planet -- njc I just saw a young black couple interviewed who will make a move to the Catskills. I came in at the tail end of the interview but apparently they have had an offer to come and start a new life there. (they were beaming...looked so happy) The interviewer..I believe.. from MSNBC.. told them how beautiful the area they will be moving to and something like..you will like it there. I don't how many out there have this air of optimism . I do hope that the ones who want a piece of the American dream...owning your own home....a decent wage..I pray that it will become a reality for them. Bree >>In defense of no one -- particularly not Barbara Bush -- I did hear one >story today that might be an exception to the "rule." > >A coworker told me she saw or heard a broadcast featuring a woman who had >been living in the projects, trying to raise her kid(s) there, who was >actually grateful for the winds (and waters?) of change. Apparently, she >said there was no way she would've ever been able to get herself and her >family out of their poor circumstances, from the constant crime and gunfire >in her neighborhood, but since the hurricane she now has a chance to start >over -- in Phoenix. (Nice symbolism, that.) > >Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:45:26 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: These people are not from this planet -- njc I understand this being your "gotcha moment"...you know..all repubs are cruel ..heartless...insensitive..etc.. Do you really think if she MEANT her statement AS YOU ARE TAKING IT....as heartless...cruel..she would have said it? I mean she is a veteran politician after all. No....I'm sorry...she was trying to put an optimistic spin..if you will.. on a very..very terrible ..and horrible situation. Her only mistake ..imo..was to open her mouth in the first place...with PC pervading.. ..parsing of every word.... Bree >incredible stretch of attempted justification for an incredibly cruel, >thoughtless and heartless remark by a very veteran politician who is as >dishonest as every human being and has been so in the public in the past > >for the record: no one in New Orleans "didn't lose a loved one" > >who cares if your kids and yourself are traumatized by hurricane, flood, >mass destruction, corpses floating everywhere, and the loss of everything >you own and knew: Barabra Bush says its ok! After all, you were under >priviledged. > > >-------------- Original message -------------- > > > --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > > > > I understand where you and Lori coming from...I do. > > > I think BB was just > > > being honest. SHe has always been the one to give > > > straightforward > > > answers....unlike many people in the public eye... > > > she doesn't beat around > > > the bush. > > > > > > No one is saying that it wasn't a horrific ordeal > > > they went through. I > > > can't imagine either. But the victims that didn't > > > lose any loved > > > ones....who ended up in Houston...single black woman > > > with children....this > > > is who BB was talking about. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:49:26 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: These people are not from this planet -- njc At least her pearls are fake!! ;-) Bree >Yes, Barbara Bush was being honest in expressing the >heartless materialistic Repub attitude. Bet we don't >see her speaking publicly again for a LONG time. > >Debra Shea > > > > > > >______________________________________________________ >Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:03:19 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: US govt and N.O. -- njc > > I'm sure there will be a commision set up I think I"m the one who wrote the above...hard to keep track...I only wrote this because eveybody and their brother said that they want a commision set up. Everyone from...the democratic house leader...to the republican house leader...Bush himself. ( I think the only reason for the 9/11 commision was to nail Bush.) But if they all want a commison..so be it! A waste of $$$? (probably) Bree >Greeeeeeat.... >more wasted time and money spent analyzing what is pretty obvious >to many of us paying attention (unlike the head of FEMA. "We just >found out about the situation at the convention center today", >when it had been all over every major network and news station for >3 days. Inept doesn't even begin to describe these dolts). > >Gus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 17:27:08 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Cindy's bus coming to Rochester Hey Marianne! Are you still doing your "Peace and Love and Harmony" project with your students? Hurry up and give your kids permission slips tomorrow so you can take them on a field trip Tuesday to see people working for peace. I don't see anything about this tour in the media these days, so it's up to us to give the "Bring Them Home Now Tour" some life. Peace is not just a dream some of us had. I say it like it's something to strive for. You're either on the bus, or off the bus. Here are some details cut and pasted from the tour website which is at: http://www.bringthemhomenowtour.org/userdata_display.php?modin=50 - ----------------------- Rochester, NY Tue, Sep. 13th Event Description: Bring Them Home Now Tour Whistle Stop in Rochester Tuesday, September 13th 11 AM to 1 PM Downtown United Presbyterian Church, 121 N. Fitzhugh, Rochester Military and Gold Star families, veterans of the Iraq War and veterans of previous wars who are traveling on the bus will address the crowd. Speakers are available for phone interviews ahead of time and while here. STARRING MARIANNE RIZZO AND HER "PEACE, LOVE AND HARMONY STUDENTS", AND FEATURING MUSIC CONTRIBUTED BY MEMBERS OF THE WORLD-CLASS JONI MITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST. BE THERE, OR BABY YOU'RE SO SQUARE! (only kidding -- I added that myself.... ) Local Event Contact: mslfish@hotmail.com Lisa: 213-840-1972, fithianl@igc.org backup: Nikki, 215-435-2609 nikki@mfso.org Local Press Contact: Morrigan: 202-258-1822 - -------------------- Love, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:10:31 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: RE: njc, Cindy's bus coming to Rochester Got to get them on the bus - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Patti Parlette" To: joni@smoe.org, treegreen1@hotmail.com Subject: njc, Cindy's bus coming to Rochester Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 17:27:08 +0000 Hey Marianne! Are you still doing your "Peace and Love and Harmony" project with your students? Hurry up and give your kids permission slips tomorrow so you can take them on a field trip Tuesday to see people working for peace. I don't see anything about this tour in the media these days, so it's up to us to give the "Bring Them Home Now Tour" some life. Peace is not just a dream some of us had. I say it like it's something to strive for. You're either on the bus, or off the bus. Here are some details cut and pasted from the tour website which is at: http://www.bringthemhomenowtour.org/userdata_display.php?modin=50 - ----------------------- Rochester, NY Tue, Sep. 13th Event Description: Bring Them Home Now Tour Whistle Stop in Rochester Tuesday, September 13th 11 AM to 1 PM Downtown United Presbyterian Church, 121 N. Fitzhugh, Rochester Military and Gold Star families, veterans of the Iraq War and veterans of previous wars who are traveling on the bus will address the crowd. Speakers are available for phone interviews ahead of time and while here. STARRING MARIANNE RIZZO AND HER "PEACE, LOVE AND HARMONY STUDENTS", AND FEATURING MUSIC CONTRIBUTED BY MEMBERS OF THE WORLD-CLASS JONI MITCHELL DISCUSSION LIST. BE THERE, OR BABY YOU'RE SO SQUARE! (only kidding -- I added that myself.... ) Local Event Contact: mslfish@hotmail.com Lisa: 213-840-1972, fithianl@igc.org backup: Nikki, 215-435-2609 nikki@mfso.org Local Press Contact: Morrigan: 202-258-1822 - -------------------- Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:35:24 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: njc, hurricane and jobs I think we as a country should do everything possible to employ LOCAL people and LOCAL companies from New Orleans (and Mississippi and Alabama) to rebuild the region. I am hoping for a public voice, an encouragement, an E X P E C T A T I O N that the government will give the OPPORTUNITY FOR WORK to the people who lost their jobs and homes. We must not pass up this opportunity for advancement and empowerment. Also, the local residents should be utmost involved in the planning of new communities. Halliburton NO. best wishes Marianne _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:37:37 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: njc, hurricane And another thing. . THE WETLANDS. . . *we need the wetlands in our communities. . There should be no attempt to move them or relocate them. . Respect the wetlands. . they are a nescessity to the environment . . to the land . to the eco system. . to human life (if you need to think of it this way) ~ _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:06:31 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: joni prescriptions Hey, There is something new on the list: If you are having a problem or something is on your mind. . maybe something getting you down. . JUST T E L L U S W H A T I T I S . . and WE the counsel will give you a prescription. ie. we will give a joni line or prescribe a joni song to get you through. For example: Dear counsel, I am having problems at work with my associates: we will simply tell you something like . . . "the jackoffs at the office" OR "feck your strangers." for someone who may be having a search for deeper meaning, perhaps something like: "it all comes down to you." need a prescription? just ask. Who is the counsel? E v E R Y b O D Y XOXO Marianne _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:12:31 +0100 From: "JEFF HANKINS" Subject: joni and bob and judy and joni OK so here's what else I was thinking about, in idle moments. Joni has covered almost enough Dylan songs to make a mini compilation on your ipod, yeah? 1.. There's that gorgeously vibrant 'Mr. Tambourine Man' (dulcimer-strummed and not-quite-sure-of-the-words) from.. somewhere 2.. There's 'I Shall Be Released' with Cass Elliott and Mary Travers. 3.. And 'Girl from the North Country' sung with Johnny Cash (or is that a traditional song?) 4.. There's 'It's All over Now Baby Blue' from the Geffen Box (and would you believe it, I still haven't heard it yet - too broke to pay those prices!) 5.. I read she also sang 'Sweetheart Like You' at the 2002 'stormy weather ' concert. Did anybody there make a recording of it - please?? 6.. You could even include the snatch of 'Positively Fourth Street' which we hear on 'Woman of Heart and Mind' (or somewhere)! Did I miss any? Any other Dylan songs people would like to have heard Joni try?? (Me, I've always had an odd liking for 'One More Cup of Coffee for the Road '., maybe 'Idiot Wind'. or 'When the Ship Comes In'. 'Restless Farewell'.? .What about that amazing 'Mississippi' song from 'Love & Theft'. Can you imagine Joni's smoky voice on that one? Mm - mm.) All this talk of Dylan covers brings me neatly to ..Judy Collins, who recorded a great album of Dylan songs ('Just Like a Woman') a few years back. Then last year released an album of Leonard Cohen Songs, this time mostly garnered from previous albums. So. Wouldn't it be a good idea if she completed the trilogy?! Let's think.what other great songwriter did she interpret so effectively in those earlier days??! Ah yes. So, like she did with the Cohen album, she could use what she's already got (BSN, Chelsea Morning, Michael from Mountains, For Free, Song about the Midway..) and record some new ones to make it to a dozen or more. What extras would you like to hear, Jeff? I hear you ask. Well, since you ask, Judy, I'd like you to cover: (in any order) No Apologies Tin Angel Last Chance Lost Melody in Your Name The Beat of Black Wings Lesson in Survival Silky Veils Of Ardour Impossible Dreamer Blue Boy Sisotowbell Lane It would be a nice CD, I think. Judy Collins does a fine, workmanlike job, covering. (Dear me, all this fantasy compilation! I really ought to get out more.) Jeff, Wales NP: Barenaked Ladies: ' Lovers in a Dangerous Time' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:04:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: joni and bob and judy and joni <3.. And 'Girl from the North Country' sung with Johnny Cash (or is that a traditional song?)> That is indeed a Dylan composition. <4.. There's 'It's All over Now Baby Blue' from the Geffen Box (and would you believe it, I still haven't heard it yet - too broke to pay those prices!)> Can't blame you for that - hang in there, mate - the price of that one will drop as time goes by. <5.. I read she also sang 'Sweetheart Like You' at the 2002 'stormy weather ' concert. Did anybody there make a recording of it - please??> Hasn't seen the light of day as far as I know. While I'd love to hear Joni do some others, she'd probably give them the full schmaltzy orchestra treatment with Wayne Shorter adding his annoying squeals and at the end of the day we'd all wished she hadn't done them. Bob NP: John Mayer, "Back To You" (live) - --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Watch the Hurricane Katrina Shelter From The Storm concert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:10:59 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: [none] > seeing the white population become greyish color, > > Randy Remote wrote: > What does that mean? > > Sounds to me like they're afraid of those with the > complexion of Derek Jeter. > JR in NH > > Yeah, and Kayne West. > Mike Deb Shea wrote: Are you being serious here? If so, what, specifically, are you afraid of? To which I respond: Um, you're not a Red Sox fan, are you? I don't care about his complexion, I just hate it when he's at bat. Matsui too. Definitely NOT an A-Rod (A-Fraud) fan either. Sorry if I'm making light of a serious subject. And, btw, Derek Jeter was named after Derek Sanderson who HATED any NY teams. His mother must cringe. lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:55:53 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: joni and bob and judy and joni Jeff wrote: > (Me, I've always had an odd liking for 'One More Cup of > Coffee for the Road '., maybe 'Idiot Wind'. or 'When the > Ship Comes In'. 'Restless Farewell'.? .What about that > amazing 'Mississippi' song from 'Love & Theft'. Can you > imagine Joni's smoky voice on that one? Mm - mm.) You've unwittingly mentioned an existing link between Joni and Dylan with the song "One More Cup Of Coffee". In the article below, she mentions this song: http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=946&ss= The specific paragraph is: The next time we had a brief conversation was when Paul McCartney had a party on the Queen Mary, and everybody left the table and Bobby and I were sitting there. After a long silence he said, "If you were gonna paint this room, what would you paint?" I said, "Well, let me think. I'd paint the mirrored ball spinning, I'd paint the women in the washroom, the band...." Later all the stuff came back to me as part of a dream that became the song "Paprika Plains." I said, "What would you paint?" He said, "I'd paint this coffee cup." Later, he wrote "One More Cup of Coffee." So it appears that song was "inspired" by a conversation with Joni ;o) Hell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 17:50:29 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: joni and bob and judy and joni On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Bob Muller wrote: > While I'd love to hear Joni do some others, she'd >probably give them the full schmaltzy orchestra treatment >with Wayne Shorter adding his annoying squeals and at the >end of the day we'd all wished she hadn't done them. I'm with you on the schmaltzy orchestra, but not Wayne Shorter. He can play along w/ Joni any time, for my money. Well, OK, maybe not on Dylan covers, not that I really want her to do more of those anyway .... Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:20:26 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: iPod (njc) I agree with Mr. Paz about mp4 - but, if I'm not mistaken, iTunes uses a proprietary format when it transfers files to your iPod. So you have to have iTunes to transfer anything to an iPod. BTW, I have a shuffle (courtesy of work - a thanks for shipping a product) and love it. lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 00:25:29 +0100 From: "JEFF HANKINS" Subject: Re: joni and bob and judy and joni Do you know, I think maybe my subconscious knew that! Thanks for making that connection for me! Jeff - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "JEFF HANKINS" ; Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 11:55 PM Subject: Re: joni and bob and judy and joni > Jeff wrote: > > > (Me, I've always had an odd liking for 'One More Cup of > > Coffee for the Road '., maybe 'Idiot Wind'. or 'When the > > Ship Comes In'. 'Restless Farewell'.? .What about that > > amazing 'Mississippi' song from 'Love & Theft'. Can you > > imagine Joni's smoky voice on that one? Mm - mm.) > > You've unwittingly mentioned an existing link between Joni > and Dylan with the song "One More Cup Of Coffee". In the > article below, she mentions this song: > > http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=946&ss= > > The specific paragraph is: > > The next time we had a brief conversation was when Paul > McCartney had a party on the Queen Mary, and everybody left > the table and Bobby and I were sitting there. After a long > silence he said, "If you were gonna paint this room, what > would you paint?" I said, "Well, let me think. I'd paint the > mirrored ball spinning, I'd paint the women in the washroom, > the band...." Later all the stuff came back to me as part of > a dream that became the song "Paprika Plains." I said, "What > would you paint?" He said, "I'd paint this coffee cup." > Later, he wrote "One More Cup of Coffee." > > So it appears that song was "inspired" by a conversation > with Joni ;o) > > > Hell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:44:00 -0500 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: iPod question.. NJC I think you may have already gotten the answer you are searching for Em, but wanted to let you know a cool trick that saved me absolutely HOURS of time when ripping CDs to my iTunes. Go to http://www.gracenote.com/ when ripping the CDs. Grace note automatically recognizes the music and will load any song titles and graphics for you into iTunes. Silly me was half way through my catalogue before finding out this trick. Have fun, iPods are aWesome. Suze - ----- Original Message ----- From: Em To: jonilist Subject: iPod question.. NJC Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:24:22 -0700 (PDT) > > must a song be on iTunes to copy it to an iPod? or can you drag song > files right off a CD that is opened on the desktop? (of a Mac) > thanks, figured this might be the fastest way to get an answer..but am > researching too. Trying to decide whether to commit to filling an iPod > for my mom. Seems it would be easy if the tracks on a given CD didn't > have to be loaded into iTunes first. > thx, > Em > ps yeah its weird thinking about normal life and "toys" right now, I admit... - -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:50:07 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: joni prescriptions Okay, well, my cat caught a mouse in our house. I have an extreme phobia about this subject and I can't sleep, and I'm afraid to walk into a room for fear of finding another one. Do you have a song to help me? At 06:06 PM 9/11/2005, you wrote: >Hey, There is something new on the list: > >If you are having a problem > >or something is on your mind. . >maybe something getting you down. . > >JUST T E L L U S W H A T I T I S . . > >and WE the counsel >will give you a prescription. > >ie. >we will give a joni line >or prescribe a joni song to get you through. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:18:50 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: joni and bob and judy and joni - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" > While I'd love to hear Joni do some others, she'd probably give them the > full schmaltzy orchestra treatment with Wayne Shorter adding his annoying > squeals and at the end of the day we'd all wished she hadn't done them. > I'm sure *this* would inspire her to produce some new music.... Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:32:09 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Johnny Cash, on npr, njc Is anyone else tuned in to the npr multi-part special on Johnny Cash? He sang (and wrote?) a song called "Understand Your Man" that stuck me immediately. It's the exact tune as Dylan's "Don't Think Twice (It's Alright)". Every syllable is in the same meter too although Dylan's tempo is faster. Did Dylan lift it from Cash or were they both lifting it from a common tradition? (I'd guess the former.) Jim Covington, KY, US (for now anyway) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:43:19 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: US govt and N.O. -- njc > ( I think the only reason for the 9/11 commision was to nail Bush.) And that worked well, didn't it? I don't see the point of a commission this time around, particularly as long as the imbalance of power in the House and Senate is as it is. There's no point. No, I would rather see everyone voted out. Everyone. Let's start anew (for whatever good it would do). Ever more jaded, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 04:41:29 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Another Dog Eat Dog, by Fagen and Becker (njc, really) Hi, gang, Well, between Robert and myself being sick with the flu, and it being the fourth anniversary of 9/11 and it being pretty much inevitable that John Roberts will be the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court for the next three or four decades, and of course the ongoing mess in New Orleans, I sorta needed some distraction, so I googled Steely Dan -- Fagen/Becker to see if I could find any songs I hadn't heard of. The two (sometimes with others) wrote most of the songs to the soundtrack of a (to me) obscure Richard Pryor vehicle called You Gotta Walk It Like You Talk It (or You'll Lose That Beat); and one of the songs is called Dog Eat Dog. I guess it can't be all that unusual a song title, but still, in case you're curious, here are the lyrics: DOG EAT DOG Stranded in Red Hook I check in the black book For anybody's cave I run into guess who A boozer to rescue But there's nothing left to save The Indian hat clerk Is doing his homework Eating soda cracker dog style They check it once over Then drag it to Dover Where they dump it on the rock pile CHORUS 'Cause it's dog eat dog eat dog Ain't no use to fight it It's dog eat dog eat dog Grab it fast and bite it Dog eat dog eat dog eat dog eat dog eat dog Now I've got the power The man of the hour Is leaving room for no doubt The picadors catch you And what does it get you But an incandescent blowout And if when he sees you The judge he can't please you He'll catch you on the rebound So rip off your mask or The best you can ask for Is a mattress in the city pound CHORUS Dog eat dog eat dog eat dog eat dog eat dog Interesting, and much of it impenetrable, as usual, no? Anybody ever heard the song, or actually have the album (SCJoniBob, I'm thinking you might, as a fellow Steely Dan Whore...)? Your caninophile, Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 01:10:29 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) Introducing my friend Cecile It amazes me that Cecile, who lives on a farm in the far, far northwestern corner of the very red state of North Dakota, hasn't been run out of town yet. She's got guts. This is in the current edition of The Journal ( http://www.crosbynd.com/journal/columnists/Cecile.htm), a weekly paper where Cecile is News Editor and writes an award winning column called "Whines & Roses." Trying to walk in shoes that don't belong to me I've got BOGO on the brain. Have you ever seen that PayLess Shoes commercial for the Buy One, Get One Half Price sale? Well, I went and I got, and I already have too many pairs of shoes. Just the night before my spree, I'd received an email with a link to an online story about a bizarre incident last Friday in which Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was accosted at an expensive New York shoe store by a woman who asked how she could buy shoes at a time when people in Louisiana are dying. Maybe I had to feel what it was like to spend money unnecessarily on something like extra shoes in order to sympathize with Rice's predicament. Here she is on vacation, and someone has to make a big deal about a few thousand dollars for shoes. I only spent a fraction of what she did and I know I feel like a jerk. In truth, I had shoes on the brain even before stumbling upon the shoe sale. As I spent much of last week around the office lambasting the Bush Administration's response to Hurricane Katrina, someone suggested that I was off base -- that it was easy for me to judge, having never walked in the president's shoes. Yes, it's true, I haven't walked in his shoes, and after last week I'm sure I wouldn't want to. Apparently, the president's shoes are made of lead -- at least that's what could be concluded from observing his delayed reactions last week. If I walked in the president's shoes, I might feel it was okay to hire a college buddy to run the Federal Emergency Management Agency, despite the fact said friend's previous work experience had nothing to do with emergency preparedness. If I was the president, I might have a pair of shoes that are comfortable for five full weeks of vacation. This spiffy pair of treads might even keep me on vacation when tens of thousands of my countrymen are having their livelihoods wiped off the map by a hurricane. If I were the president, I might sport a pair that kept me at a baseball game or a golf course instead of propelling me onto an airplane to see for myself a disaster everyone is calling the worst in our nation's history. If I could wear the president's shoes, maybe I could spend two minutes talking about hurricane refugees before devoting the balance of an eight minute speech to how we're going to fix the oil situation. So much for the president's shoes. It is much easier putting myself in the shoes of the people at the New Orleans convention center, most of whom followed directions, obeyed the law, and were left in squalor and filth for six full days before getting anywhere near the help they needed. If I wore the shoes of a refugee, my toes would be wrinkled and squishy from wading in chest high water to get to dry ground. My shoes would be smudged with every kind of filth man-made and natural -- chemicals, urine, excrement and the detritus from decaying bodies. Those shoes might have carried me to a grocery store to steal water and food to stay alive. Oh yes, I know there were shoes that carried criminals, too, but mostly the shoes of refugees belonged to the poor, the old, the sick. Did I mention most of them were black? Oh yeah, most of them were black and poor and old and sick. Why should it matter? That's a good question, but one has to ask what would have happened if there were 30,000 or 40,000 white people stranded in New Orleans? Would they have been left to fend for themselves in such deplorable conditions for SIX days? FEMA and Homeland Security announced late Thursday they didn't know they were there? Excuse me? Did the dog eat your homework? As New Orleans' mayor put it: "C'mon man!" If I could walk in the shoes of a person rescuing people stranded on rooftops, I might be able to feel the frustration of not having enough boats or manpower to handle a catastrophe of unthinkable magnitude. If I could walk in the shoes of a New Orleans police officer, I might be able to understand how someone sworn to protect the public could throw up his hands and tell a refugee, "It's every man for himself now." What a shame. What a mess. Heaven forbid that any major U.S. city actually came under attack. We're obviously defenseless. Our shoes are not cut out for this kind of duty. I don't know what possessed me to buy so many pairs of shoes last weekend. Actually, I bought a couple of pairs of shoes and three pairs of boots. I guess that's my own brand of disaster preparedness. With a government disaster response like the one we've just witnessed, those boots are already coming in handy. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:35:10 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: US govt and N.O. -- njc Bree wrote: > ( I think the only reason for the 9/11 commision was to nail Bush.) And they stacked the deck with the commisioners, one of whom should have rather been a key witness. And let's not forget Sandy "Burglar" stealing and stuffing key classified docs in his clothes and then conveniently "losing" them. Gets off with a $50 K fine. Where's the outrage? > But if they all want a commison..so be it! A waste of $$$? > (probably) Not to some people who want to keep ripping and tearing it all apart. All one had to do was watch the coverage from day one 24/7 as it unfolded to know the answers very clearly. (Oh and know the difference between state and federal responsibility and law). All the money (and time and resources that could be used productively elsewhere) will be used for the cover up. Scum is right. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:07:07 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: US govt and N.O. -- njc Mia wrote: > Just about every AM radio talk show host I've heard in the past week is > touting that FEMA is not a first responder institutution. They claim that > FEMA is only a check-writing organization. That's always been my understanding of FEMA - having been through the L.A. riots of '92 and the Northridge earthquake of '94. Never once during those disasters did I even think "where the f*ck is FEMA" or where the "f*ck is Bush - or Clinton?" During the riots it was where the f*ck is Mayor Bradley and where the f*ck is the police? Because those two entities decided to have a hissy fit with each other and absolutely abandon the city, the Governor had to call in the National Guard (yes, the STATE controls the National Guard, not FEMA or the Feds). The NG showed up and then discovered there was no ammo in the armories. Still, it was "what the f*ck is wrong with the state's planning!?" This of course, was immediately publicized so the looting and shooting and burning continued and spread out over two counties. Finally (I assume because he was given permission by the Governor) Pres. Bush I called up the Marines into L.A. Only then did it stop. In the aftermath, there were literally thousands of people who had previously been anti-gun, who had lined up for hours to buy them. (Not me, although I considered it when the mayhem came within a mile of my home). I have always heard you have to wait three days for the Feds to arrive! During the earthquake, the state agencies, Red Cross, etc. were pretty good first responders (as they should be). There were many complaints about FEMA for years, however, because of the long delays many suffered in getting their checks and compensation for their losses. FEMA is not a rescue agency. Federal troops can only come in at the request of the state Governor. The Governor controls the National Guard. The Louisiana Governor would not allow Bush to Federalize them. The Coast Guard is however, part of the Feds, and we could all see them rescueing people from day one. Why? - because they were already based there. Getting 40,000 troops and related personnel into a massive disaster the size of Great Britain in a split second is impossible. There ARE logistics involved in physically getting them there (through downed bridges and compromised roads) and figuring places for them to deploy, eat, shit and sleep. That is why the state HAS to be the first responders - they are already there and should have a plan in place! It looked to me like at least 2/3 of the state was alright and functioning - they could have bussed the people out, or they should have known the demographics of the city to know they had to get so many out, but instead they just herded them into the Superdome. The State (I repeat State) Homeland Security office wouldn't let the Red Cross come in to feed them because they didn't want to "encourage them to stay." It's right there on the Red Cross website http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html The lack of comon sense, lack of knowledge of basic civics and irrational projection and diversion of blame on Bush and Republicans is just about the most appalling thing I have seen yet. In retrospect, Bush may be to blame for not invoking the Insurrection Act and simply invading Louisiana to get the job done, but then people would be howling that this would prove he's a neo-con fascist, right? It is *disgusting* and somewhat depraved to make political hay over this tragedy. The political bashing as a "first response" certainly doesn't prove to me that there is any true caring involved for the victims. The good news is that there are millions of people out there who are truly doing something to help people at this time. I will try to remember that amidst the gall. Go ahead and flame away, those who are so disposed. Nothing you could say would surprise me anymore. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 08:19:17 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: iPod question.. NJC hi >>>>em wrote >>>>>> I figured out one way to make .mp3's from the iTunes m4a files. Burn >>>>>> a disc with it on there, and then you can RE-import it as an .mp3. >>>>>> (or AIFF) But thats really round about and time consuming. well - there are lots of quicker, more direct ways. there are plenty of free audio format converters available which let you do batch conversions. i generally use free cd-da audio format file convertor, which is a part of free cd-da extractor, available for download from cnet ( www.download.com ) but bear in mind that m4a is a better format, & you should only convert if absolutely necessary.(tho most convertors will not overwrite the original file so you wind up with both versios) ron ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #352 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)