From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #349 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 9 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 349 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: early joni obsession attempted justification! now njc ["mike pritchar] the right to bear arms NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: early joni obsession attempted justification! now njc [Jerry Notaro <] Re: the right to bear arms NJC [Smurf ] In my dweams, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Laura the strumming guitarist.... NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] (NJC) Job Opportunity - hurricane recovery [Lori Fye ] "Shelter From the Storm: A Concert for the Gulf Coast", njc ["Jim L'Homme] Re: "Shelter From the Storm: A Concert for the Gulf Coast", njc [Em ] Re: "Shelter From the Storm: A Concert for the Gulf Coast", njc [Randy Re] RE: These people are not from this planet -- njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: US govt and N.O. -- njc [rsc1@humboldt.edu] RE: These people are not from this planet -- njc [revrvl@comcast.net (vin] Re: Canada/US/NJC [Debra Shea ] Re: NJC the Evangelines [Lori Fye ] Re: getting the word out (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: These people are not from this planet -- njc [Lori Fye ] Re: iPod question.. NJC [Bob Muller ] RE: US govt and N.O. -- njc [Bob Muller ] Re: the right to bear arms NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: early joni obsession attempted justification! now njc [Bob Muller ] (NJC) Bush Humour [Chris Marshall ] damned underpriviledged njc [vince ] Re: damned underpriviledged njc [Catherine McKay ] Joni's memoirs [JLoehr4988@aol.com] Joni Mitchell Tribute Sunday in Tacoma Park ["janine sherman" ] Re: NJC the Evangelines ["gene mock" ] The latest Bull Sheet from Michael Paz (NJC) [Michael Paz Subject: RE: early joni obsession attempted justification! now njc >>But I went to the Picasso Museum in Barcelona recently: fantastic to see, as you move from room to room, the stages of his development - and I was intrigued with how good (technically good, though of course less ambitious) were those portraits and landscapes from his early years...<< Hey Jeff, I agree with your assessment of the Picasso paintings, but how come someone from Wales comes to barcelona and doesn't share a glass of wine with me in exchange for a free tour of the city? Next time, give me a call. mike in barcelona, but born and bred in Bangor. NP Randall - 'War Stories' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:30:03 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: the right to bear arms NJC Given the right of US citizens to bear arms, and presumably to use them in (what the bearer considers to be) life threatening situations, am I the only person who sees a lot of potential shootings in the 'Katrina zone' between people who want to stay in their homes and the armed militias who want to have them evacuated? mike in barcelona Here is a link to a Steve Bell cartoon on the topic http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/stevebell/0,7371,1566268,00.html NP Super Furry Animals - Love Kraft ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 08:04:28 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: early joni obsession attempted justification! now njc My office overlooks Tampa Bay and the Dali Museum. If you ever visit here you will discover the same thing about Dali. Before he became the influence he became his early drawings and paintings a la the masters he was studying are equally proficient and interesting. Jerry >>> But I went to the Picasso Museum in Barcelona recently: fantastic to see, as > you move from room to room, the stages of his development - and I was > intrigued with how good (technically good, though of course less ambitious) > were those portraits and landscapes from his early years...<< > > Hey Jeff, I agree with your assessment of the Picasso paintings, but how come > someone from Wales comes to barcelona and doesn't share a glass of wine with > me in exchange for a free tour of the city? Next time, give me a call. > mike in barcelona, but born and bred in Bangor. > NP Randall - 'War Stories' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:22:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: the right to bear arms NJC - --- mike wrote: > Given the right of US citizens to bear arms, and > presumably to use them in > (what the bearer considers to be) life threatening > situations, am I the only > person who sees a lot of potential shootings in the > 'Katrina zone' between > people who want to stay in their homes and the armed > militias who want to have > them evacuated? Apparently not. This line was sorta quietly thrown into a story in today's NY Times about people refusing to leave their homes in NO: "To reduce the risk of violent confrontation, the police began confiscating firearms on Thursday, even those legally owned." The cartoon was pretty accurate, Mike. The entire article can be found at << http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/national/nationalspecial/09holdouts.html?ei=5090&en=814babf8fa0dde68&ex=1283918400&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print >> (As I mentioned, though, the story is not about confiscating guns; it's about the people who are trying to stay in their homes.) - --Smurf ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:50:37 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: In my dweams, njc White House staffers goad the boss: "Mister President, should survivors from Slidell be buried in New Orleans or Slidell?" heh heh... On the other hand, I think I'll defend BB a bit. I can see why it was a shock to see people sleeping on cots in the Astro Dome. She didn't think about it from their perspective: if you spent 2 days without water, then 2 days without a toilet, a shower and a night's sleep in the Astro Dome would feel like heaven, temporarily. Into that situation, Mrs. Bush surveys it all, and is surprised that people don't want to leave. I understand her "take" but wow, as the First Lady, she should have watched her words! Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:05:00 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Laura the strumming guitarist.... NJC How awful for you. I feel your pain. Jim :) PS, this sarcasm thing is gonna blow up in our collective face any minute now. From: "Bree Mcdonough" >she was supposed just to visit a few days but ending up staying longer...eight days..I think ..when I last counted. Anyway...we picked her up from the airport with her guitar in hand she immediately started playing...how nice...AND so unexpected at the airport. About fifteen or so songs later I told her we had to get going because it was costing us money to park. (they charge for every 1/2 hour parked)> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 11:05:34 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club...now..I still don I was kidding.. Suze...yes..I remember you well. You sat accross from me at breakfast one morning. 2003 was our first fest. At the bar one night you were giving me the "dirt" on some past memebers...I remember you. Bree >Sorry, but I remember you and Marianne. Was that your first Fest? If so, >it can be very overwhelming and trying to remember folks is a challenge. > >I can't write more now, but I will soon, busy day at the office. > >Suze > > > > > Marianne assures me that I know you...she said to me just this morning >..you > > know ..she's from that nondescript town in Michigan...the ones with NO > > accents...not much happening there.. > > > > I still don't recall you. > > > > Bree > > > > > > >> > > >Well, let me be the first to say that I don't like Bree. Her political > > >views are skewed. I loathe her creamy chocolates, especially those >named > > >for the state that brought us four more years of 'his shrubbery'. Oh, >and > > >as far as sarcasm is concerned, I hate that as no one ever gets it. > > > > > >Suze > > > > > >-- > > >CoreComm Webmail. > > >http://home.core.com > > > > > > >-- >CoreComm Webmail. >http://home.core.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:12:53 +0200 From: "John van Tiel" Subject: Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club Bob Muller wrote: >>Having TWO guests would make it TWICE the fun! Y'all dew drop in. Concert tix and vittles are on the house. And I promise, no tofu, lentils, or fennel.<< Are you sending secret messages here? :-) John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:42:38 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) Job Opportunity - hurricane recovery FEMA called me this morning. Yes, that FEMA. Called me. A woman (Becca) in one of my motorcycle clubs works for a civil engineering firm that has contracted with FEMA to find 300 people with a background in construction, housing inspection, engineering, accounting, military, or other related fields to go down south and work in the following areas: - TAC Contract  Infrastructure Recovery. - Housing Inspection Contract  Helping individuals recover. - TARC Contract - Evaluating how structures can be improved to resist disasters. - Hazard Mitigation Contract - Funds rebuilding in a way that resists disasters. - USDOT  Supports their emergency operations center during disasters. - FEMA operations support  A new contract to assist FEMA with the management of the entire disaster effort. Becca asked for resumes, and I sent mine. So FEMA called this morning and they want me to join them. It's a 3 month "tour of duty" and I want to go. It would be a paid position, 80 hours a week with one weekend a month off to return home. I'm trying to work out a leave of absence from my current job, and the president of the company has already said we can work it out. Know anyone with a resume who might be interested? I can pass it along. Becca's original email: ___________________________________________________________ Subject: Job Opportunity - hurricane recovery I work for a civil engineering consulting firm with offices throughout the east and midwest. We have a contract with FEMA relating to disaster relief. The contract vehicles where we are providing support are: TAC Contract  Infrastructure Recovery. Housing Inspection Contract  Helping individuals recover. TARC Contract - Evaluating how structures can be improved to resist disasters. Hazard Mitigation Contract - Funds rebuilding in a way that resists disasters. USDOT  Supports their emergency operations center during disasters. FEMA operations support  A new contract to assist FEMA with the management of the entire disaster effort. We expect to provide 300 employees to work under these tasks for the effects of Katrina. If anyone has a background in construction, housing inspection, engineering, accounting, military, or other related fields and would like a 3 month assignment down south, please get me your resume. These are PAID positions. You would work a lot of hours (as much as 80 per week, 7 days in the beginning). They allow one turn-around per month (you get to go home for the weekend). They provide a rental car, hotel accomodations (as available), and meal allowances. They also pay for air travel to and from the disaster area. It is an awesome opportunity to help out and get a NICE paycheck, but at the same time it is hard work. The 3 month assignment could lead to additional time down south or other places that are declared disasters. It could become year round employment for the right person. Please get back to me with any questions or your resume. Thanks, Becca ___________________________________________________________ : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:01:39 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: "Shelter From the Storm: A Concert for the Gulf Coast", njc 8PM EST... >A benefit concert raises funds for survivors of Hurricane Katrina, with performers Sheryl Crow, the Dixie Chicks, Alicia Keys, Randy Newman, Paul Simon, Rod Stewart, Neil Young.> It seems to be a simulcast on PBS, NBC, ABC, and CBS. Consult your local listings. Please tip your waitress and if you drink, don't drive. Jim L'Hommedieu PS, What the hell? I can't watch "Roseanne" reruns? heh heh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:28:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: "Shelter From the Storm: A Concert for the Gulf Coast", njc when is that, Lama? tonight? thx Em - --- "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" wrote: > 8PM EST... > >A benefit concert raises funds for survivors of Hurricane Katrina, > with > performers Sheryl Crow, the Dixie Chicks, Alicia Keys, Randy Newman, > Paul > Simon, Rod Stewart, Neil Young.> > > It seems to be a simulcast on PBS, NBC, ABC, and CBS. Consult your > local > listings. Please tip your waitress and if you drink, don't drive. > > Jim L'Hommedieu > PS, What the hell? I can't watch "Roseanne" reruns? heh heh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 13:17:45 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: These people are not from this planet -- njc I understand where you and Lori coming from...I do. I think BB was just being honest. SHe has always been the one to give straightforward answers....unlike many people in the public eye... she doesn't beat around the bush. No one is saying that it wasn't a horrific ordeal they went through. I can't imagine either. But the victims that didn't lose any loved ones....who ended up in Houston...single black woman with children....this is who BB was talking about. I heard several of these woman interviewed and I thought how remarkable..their optimism in the shadow of the hell they just went through....it brought tears to my eyes. SO..yes..at first reading it does seem to come from someone who is out of touch...but imo... not the case at all. Bree. >It is wonderful that people everywhere are willing to help but I'm >skeptical >that all of a sudden those who were once very poor will be given jobs, >homes, cars & atm cards... I would love to be wrong... the statement was >shocking to me because I somehow thought of bb as more tactful... a lot of >the people lost their community, their loved ones, & had endured days of >horror that I can't pretend to even imagine... her public statement was as >out of place as her son's comment on his party days when addressing the >relief efforts... the family is just plain bizarre imo... > > >I know what BB meant by this because I thought the same thing for SOME of >the displaced....< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:24:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: iPod question.. NJC must a song be on iTunes to copy it to an iPod? or can you drag song files right off a CD that is opened on the desktop? (of a Mac) thanks, figured this might be the fastest way to get an answer..but am researching too. Trying to decide whether to commit to filling an iPod for my mom. Seems it would be easy if the tracks on a given CD didn't have to be loaded into iTunes first. thx, Em ps yeah its weird thinking about normal life and "toys" right now, I admit... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 11:02:45 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: "Shelter From the Storm: A Concert for the Gulf Coast", njc This one is on tonight, Friday 8 PM EST (and is only an hour long). As noted it will be shown on all the broadcast networks. Oddly, it will be competing with the BET network's benefit with Stevie Wonder et al 7:30 PM. This is separate from the one on Saturday, also at 8 PM EST, which will be shown on MTV, VH-1, CMT, although some of the artists are playing them both. Rock, roll, donate. RR Em wrote: > when is that, Lama? tonight? > thx > Em > > --- "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" wrote: > > > 8PM EST... > > >A benefit concert raises funds for survivors of Hurricane Katrina, > > with > > performers Sheryl Crow, the Dixie Chicks, Alicia Keys, Randy Newman, > > Paul > > Simon, Rod Stewart, Neil Young.> > > > > It seems to be a simulcast on PBS, NBC, ABC, and CBS. Consult your > > local > > listings. Please tip your waitress and if you drink, don't drive. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:14:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: These people are not from this planet -- njc - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > I understand where you and Lori coming from...I do. > I think BB was just > being honest. SHe has always been the one to give > straightforward > answers....unlike many people in the public eye... > she doesn't beat around > the bush. > > No one is saying that it wasn't a horrific ordeal > they went through. I > can't imagine either. But the victims that didn't > lose any loved > ones....who ended up in Houston...single black woman > with children....this > is who BB was talking about. > It may be entirely possible that, in years to come, some people who have been jolted out of their homes, lost all their worldy possessions and been sent to completely different states, may decide that the new life thrust upon them has turned out to be good - that is, if they are back together with their families and their friends, have got jobs, have got a whole new life. That may be true twenty years hence, but no one knows that now. They have been through a horrible ordeal. However poor you might be, home is home and that's where your friends, your family and all that's familiar to you is, and I think it would be presumptuous of anyone, much less a former president's wife, who comes from privilege and who probably has no idea what it's like to wonder where your next meal is coming from, to assume otherwise. It's stressful enough when someone makes a conscious decision to move away from what is familiar, even when they've got a list of reasons why that is something they WANT to do. But to be forced by circumstances to do so, to have absolutely no possessions, personal ID, even such things as favourite photographs of loved ones, just has to be way off the stress levels scales. However "honest" BB may be, she needs to know when to keep her mouth shut. The single black woman with children that didn't lose anyone that you're talking about - how do you know she didn't lose anyone? People are ultimately very adaptable creatures and many will end up stronger after this. Whatever BB's motives were in saying this and however "out of context" it might be, it comes across as cold, callous and condescending, words from someone who is completely out of touch with reality. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:12:37 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: from another trade list hi this vine offer on another list really made me take note :-) ron Joni Mitchell--Jonifest 2004 Giveaway DVD Running time: 1 hr. and 50 minutes Chock full of amazing rare footage, this DVD was prepared as a souvenir for those attending the 2004 Northeast Jonifest and was subsequently made available to members of the Joni Mitchell Discussion List. The quality varies, but it is all fascinating stuff for the Joni fan. For information about the list and a wealth of resources about Joni Mitchell, please visit: http://www.jmdl.com Chapters: 1. Song to a Daydreamer--Interview "Take 30," CBC Television, May 1, 1967 2. Little Green--Cafe Au Go Go, New York City, October 26, 1967 3. Marcie--Cafe Au Go Go, New York City, October 26, 1967 4. Both Sides Now--Johnny Cash Show, June 7, 1969 5. Both Sides NOw--I Shall Be Released (with Mary Travers and Mama Cass) 6. The Gallery--Long Black Veil Johnny Cash Show, July 19, 1969 7. Get Together (with Crosby, Stills, Nash, and John Sebastian)-- Woodstock Celebration at Big Sur September 13 & 14, 1969 8. California--My Old Man--Girl from the North Country Johnny Cash Show, October 7, 1970 9. John Lennon and Paul Simon present Joni's nomination for "Help Me" Grammy Awards, 1974 10. Underneatht the Streetlight--Promo Production Rehearsal February 20, 1983 11. You Dream Flat Tires--Promo Production Rehearsal February 20, 1983 12. Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody Promo Production Rehearsal February 20, 1983 13. Night Ride Home-Lakota-Hejira-Number One-Award Presentation-Passion Play "L'impegno, L'amore," San Remo, Italy, October 22, 1988 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:34:09 -0700 (PDT) From: rsc1@humboldt.edu Subject: RE: US govt and N.O. -- njc > But then others are saying that FEMA IS NOT a first response > organization. Like WHO? It is the "Federal EMERGENCY Management Agency". What other federal authority would be the first response group? > I'm sure there will be a commision set up Greeeeeeat.... more wasted time and money spent analyzing what is pretty obvious to many of us paying attention (unlike the head of FEMA. "We just found out about the situation at the convention center today", when it had been all over every major network and news station for 3 days. Inept doesn't even begin to describe these dolts). Gus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 19:35:07 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: RE: These people are not from this planet -- njc incredible stretch of attempted justification for an incredibly cruel, thoughtless and heartless remark by a very veteran politician who is as dishonest as every human being and has been so in the public in the past for the record: no one in New Orleans "didn't lose a loved one" who cares if your kids and yourself are traumatized by hurricane, flood, mass destruction, corpses floating everywhere, and the loss of everything you own and knew: Barabra Bush says its ok! After all, you were under priviledged. - -------------- Original message -------------- > --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > > I understand where you and Lori coming from...I do. > > I think BB was just > > being honest. SHe has always been the one to give > > straightforward > > answers....unlike many people in the public eye... > > she doesn't beat around > > the bush. > > > > No one is saying that it wasn't a horrific ordeal > > they went through. I > > can't imagine either. But the victims that didn't > > lose any loved > > ones....who ended up in Houston...single black woman > > with children....this > > is who BB was talking about. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:35:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Shea Subject: Re: Canada/US/NJC - --- Mike and Alice Hicks wrote: > seeing the white population become greyish color, > > Randy Remote wrote: > What does that mean? > > Sounds to me like they're afraid of those with the > complexion of Derek Jeter. > JR in NH > > Yeah, and Kayne West. > Mike Are you being serious here? If so, what, specifically, are you afraid of? Debra Shea Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:14:52 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: NJC the Evangelines Speaking of Evangeline, did anyone happen to catch Aaron Neville on Larry King Live last night? He closed the program with Randy Newman's "Louisiana 1927," and it was teary-eyed beautiful. Lyrics: "Louisiana 1927" by Randy Newman What has happened down here is the winds have changed Clouds roll in from the north and it started to rain Rained real hard and rained for a real long time Six feet of water in the streets of Evangeline The river rose all day The river rose all night Some people got lost in the flood Some people got away alright The river have busted through clear down to Plaquemines Six feet of water in the streets of Evangeline CHORUS Louisiana, Louisiana They're tyrin' to wash us away They're tryin' to wash us away Louisiana, Louisiana They're tryin' to wash us away They're tryin' to wash us away President Coolidge came down in a railroad train With a little fat man with a note-pad in his hand The President say, "Little fat man isn't it a shame What the river has done to this poor crackers land." CHORUS Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:22:20 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: getting the word out (njc) Catherine wrote>>Unfortunately it dispels the romantic legend of Evangline, while admitting, somewhat wistfully, that it coulda happened: http://www.acadian-cajun.com/acartic11.htm cool! Mulate's is mentioned in the above article (excerpt below): we wrote the song 'Lousiana Roadhouse' about finding the magical Mulates after driving through a crazy rainstorm... the band playing a waltz and the locals dancing in their 'sunday best'... !! "The Saturday after Thanksgiving in a famous Cajun dance hall called Mulate's, an attractive, retirement-age couple took to the dance floor before the band cranked up fiddle and accordion. The bridegroom, whom I'd call Gabriel, wore a Sunday suit and a cowboy hat. His Evangeline wore white. You couldn't hear what kind of vows they took because of the normal chatter and clatter of a beer hall. But when the short ceremony was over, the groom took off his hat, waved it high and the whole place broke into applause. Then the band played a special Cajun waltz, and the newlyweds danced." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:28:03 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: These people are not from this planet -- njc In defense of no one -- particularly not Barbara Bush -- I did hear one story today that might be an exception to the "rule." A coworker told me she saw or heard a broadcast featuring a woman who had been living in the projects, trying to raise her kid(s) there, who was actually grateful for the winds (and waters?) of change. Apparently, she said there was no way she would've ever been able to get herself and her family out of their poor circumstances, from the constant crime and gunfire in her neighborhood, but since the hurricane she now has a chance to start over -- in Phoenix. (Nice symbolism, that.) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:28:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Shea Subject: RE: These people are not from this planet -- njc - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Bree Mcdonough > wrote: > > > I think BB was just being honest. > People are ultimately very adaptable creatures and > many will end up stronger after this. Whatever BB's > motives were in saying this and however "out of > context" it might be, it comes across as cold, > callous > and condescending, words from someone who is > completely out of touch with reality. I agree completely, Catherine. I get so disgusted with Repubs that excuse EVERYTHING other Repubs do, no matter what's right in front of us all. Filling in the blanks for them, giving them a bit of heart, is just that, projecting one's self onto Repubs who show no evidence of any concern for most of the people in this country. All show, no substance... that's the Bushies in a nutshell. That kind grandmotherly image Barbara Bush cultivated has always been fake. Not a surprise that a Repub would jump right to the material aspect, with no feeling or understanding of what people have been through. Did she and other Repubs not see on tv the mother holding her baby and screaming for help because it was so hot and he was no longer responding? I cry just thinking about that. No amount of smooth talk now or photo ops with "bush as hero" will erase such things from people's memories (if they were touched by it in the first place), and no amount of money or assistance now will erase the horrible experience from the souls of people who were there struggling through it, day after scorching hot day with everything familiar torn away, family washed away or lost, and no relief in sight. Working out well for them, is it? Yes, Barbara Bush was being honest in expressing the heartless materialistic Repub attitude. Bet we don't see her speaking publicly again for a LONG time. Debra Shea ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:46:25 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: These people are not from this planet -- njc Debra wrote, of Babs Bush: > Bet we don't see her speaking publicly again for a LONG time. THAT would be refreshing!! (Hi Debra!) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:55:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: RE: These people are not from this planet -- njc This doesn't feel like any other time in American history to me. It does, however, remind me of France, just before the revolution. "Let them eat cake," indeed. - --Smurf - --- Debra Shea wrote: > --- Catherine McKay wrote: > > > --- Bree Mcdonough > > wrote: > > > > > I think BB was just being honest. > > > People are ultimately very adaptable creatures and > > many will end up stronger after this. Whatever > BB's > > motives were in saying this and however "out of > > context" it might be, it comes across as cold, > > callous > > and condescending, words from someone who is > > completely out of touch with reality. > > I agree completely, Catherine. I get so disgusted > with > Repubs that excuse EVERYTHING other Repubs do, no > matter what's right in front of us all. Filling in > the > blanks for them, giving them a bit of heart, is just > that, projecting one's self onto Repubs who show no > evidence of any concern for most of the people in > this > country. All show, no substance... that's the > Bushies > in a nutshell. > > That kind grandmotherly image Barbara Bush > cultivated > has always been fake. Not a surprise that a Repub > would jump right to the material aspect, with no > feeling or understanding of what people have been > through. Did she and other Repubs not see on tv the > mother holding her baby and screaming for help > because > it was so hot and he was no longer responding? I cry > just thinking about that. No amount of smooth talk > now > or photo ops with "bush as hero" will erase such > things from people's memories (if they were touched > by > it in the first place), and no amount of money or > assistance now will erase the horrible experience > from > the souls of people who were there struggling > through > it, day after scorching hot day with everything > familiar torn away, family washed away or lost, and > no > relief in sight. Working out well for them, is it? > Yes, Barbara Bush was being honest in expressing the > heartless materialistic Repub attitude. Bet we don't > see her speaking publicly again for a LONG time. > > Debra Shea > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > effort. > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:19:23 -0400 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: 'The Onion' hits the target again.. njc Among the headlines in the current issue of The Onion: Bush: 'It Has Been Brought To My Attention That There Was Recently A Bad Storm' and this: White Foragers Report Threat Of Black Looters NEW ORLEANSThroughout the Gulf Coast, Caucasian suburbanites attempting to gather food and drink in the shattered wreckage of shopping districts have reported seeing African--Americans "looting snacks and beer from damaged businesses." "I was in the abandoned Wal-Mart gathering an air mattress so I could float out the potato chips, beef jerky, and Budweiser I'd managed to find," said white survivor Lars Wrightson, who had carefully selected foodstuffs whose salt and alcohol content provide protection against contamination. "Then I look up, and I see a whole family of [African-Americans] going straight for the booze. Hell, you could see they had already looted a fortune in diapers." Radio stations still in operation are advising store owners and white people in the affected areas to locate firearms in sporting-goods stores in order to protect themselves against marauding blacks looting gun shops. from theonion.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:26:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: iPod question.. NJC Em, It does not have to be from itunes to go to an ipod. Any .mp3 file can transfer to an ipod. From what I understand, you can't just rip tunes from a CD to a pod. You'd have to convert them to mp3 format. There's some free software out there that will do it, I recently bought a program that does it. I don't have an ipod yet but am definitely in the market - it's great for when I go running. Bob NP: Elvis C, "...This Town" - --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:30:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: US govt and N.O. -- njc Technically, FEMA cannot respond until the State Governor has declared a State of Emergency, which in the case of Katrina was done the Saturday BEFORE the storm hit, so FEMA definitely dropped the ball. Just saw on the news where Brown has been relieved of his position at FEMA, I'm amazed that anyone in this crooked administration has gotten the boot. My Dad was on the FEMA task forces for Hurricanes Hugo and Alicia, and we were talking about it this week. Bob NP: Lyn Paul, "A Case Of You" rsc1@humboldt.edu wrote: > But then others are saying that FEMA IS NOT a first response > organization. Like WHO? It is the "Federal EMERGENCY Management Agency". What other federal authority would be the first response group? > I'm sure there will be a commision set up Greeeeeeat.... more wasted time and money spent analyzing what is pretty obvious to many of us paying attention (unlike the head of FEMA. "We just found out about the situation at the convention center today", when it had been all over every major network and news station for 3 days. Inept doesn't even begin to describe these dolts). Gus - --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:37:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: the right to bear arms NJC Mike, I believe that "shoot at a whim" law is only on the books in Florida. If you see someone committing a crime (like smoking a joint?) or if you feel threatened, pull out that gun and blow 'em away, as David Wilcox says. But you're absolutely correct in thinking that America's relationship with guns is unhealthy. And when extreme situations occur, who knows? I read in the news where a guy in Mississippi shot and killed HIS OWN SISTER because he wanted the bag of ice she had and she wasn't going to give it to him. Bob NP: Starsailor, "Love Is Here" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:41:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: early joni obsession attempted justification! now njc And I'm probably the only JMDL'er that has toured the Dali Museum with Jerry in St. Pete and also toured Barcelona with Mike...and both were incredibly good times. Bob NP: Maurizio Rolli & AMP Big Band, "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:08:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: iPod question.. NJC - --- Bob Muller wrote: > I don't have an ipod yet but am definitely in the market - it's great > for when I go running. thanks for the info Bob. Which one are you looking at? I can't buy one, cuz I shot my wad on hurricane relief donations, which felt good to an impotent onlooker. < Subject: (NJC) Bush Humour OK, I tried to resist posting this but (clearly) failed miserably. It's worksafe, and one of those things that makes you wonder whether someone lost their job over it... http://www.stryngs.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=66 - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 19:32:40 -0400 From: vince Subject: damned underpriviledged njc they mock my mother, those underprivileged lucky little losers, I'll show them - they lost their houses, they lost their loved ones, they lost their possessions, now I'll let them lose a living wage too! September 9, 2005: 11:43 AM EDT WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush issued an executive order Thursday allowing federal contractors rebuilding in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina to pay below the prevailing wage. In a notice to Congress, Bush said the hurricane had caused "a national emergency" that permits him to take such action under the 1931 Davis-Bacon Act in ravaged areas of Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi. The Davis-Bacon law requires federal contractors to pay workers at least the prevailing wages in the area where the work is conducted. It applies to federally funded construction projects such as highways and bridges. Bush's executive order suspends the requirements of the Davis-Bacon law for designated areas hit by the storm. Bush's action came as the federal government moved to provide billions of dollars in aid, and drew rebukes from two of organized labor's biggest friends in Congress, Rep. George Miller of California and Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts, both Democrats. "The administration is using the devastation of Hurricane Katrina to cut the wages of people desperately trying to rebuild their lives and their communities," Miller said. "President Bush should immediately realize the colossal mistake he has made in signing this order and rescind it and ensure that America puts its people back to work in the wake of Katrina at wages that will get them and their families back on their feet," Miller said. "I regret the president's decision," said Kennedy. "One of the things the American people are very concerned about is shabby work and that certainly is true about the families whose houses are going to be rebuilt and buildings that are going to be restored," Kennedy said. ********************************** Bush is scum. Bush is pure scum. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:46:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: damned underpriviledged njc - --- vince wrote: > they mock my mother, those underprivileged lucky > little losers, I'll > show them - they lost their houses, they lost their > loved ones, they > lost their possessions, now I'll let them lose a > living wage too! > > September 9, 2005: 11:43 AM EDT > > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush issued an Jeez! Why don't you bring back slavery while you're at it? That would take care of a whole bunch o' problems at once, wouldn't it? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 21:06:37 EDT From: JLoehr4988@aol.com Subject: Joni's memoirs Hi...I just happened to notice, much to my surprise, that Amazon has listed 'Memoir' by Joni Mitchell scheduled for release on December31, 2005! I had recently read two references in various articles that, one; she had signed a contract several years ago to write the book and as yet hadn't written a single line (now who would know that?!) and second; a quote I believe of Joni stating the first line of her book would be" I'm Don Juans reckless daughter" which I thought would be an outstanding!! The potential of a book written by Joni of her experience, her interpretation of her experience leaves me overwhelmed with anticipation of what may be on Dec 31! Regards! Judy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 21:23:53 -0400 From: "janine sherman" Subject: Joni Mitchell Tribute Sunday in Tacoma Park Calling all DC area listers, This Sunday ( Sept.11) in Tacoma Park, MD at the Tacoma Park Folk Festival there will be a Joni Mitchell Tribute at 5 pm on the 7th Heaven Stage. http://tpff.org Joni Mitchell Tribute David Alberding, Carey Creed, Lori Kelley, Cletus Kennelly, Michelle Swan, Dulcie Taylor Anyone know anymore about this??? Lori?? Claudia?? Just saw it in paper today. Blessings to all caught in Katrica's path, Janine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:23:10 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: [none] Hey, Gang -- here's a letter I wrote to the San Francisco Chronicle today -- doubt it will get published, but you never know. Hope you don't mind my reproducing it here. I've been battling serious illnesses, both my own and my beloved Robert's, but I'm still able to get revvevd up about Bushwhack's latest tragic failure, or the extremely ethically conflicted Guhvuhnataw's decision to veto gay marriage here in California despite its passage in both houses here. It seems lately that if I eweren't heartbroken or furious, I wouldn't be alive. My heart goes out to Paz and all who live in the devastated area. Here, anyway, is the letter: Presidency an Utter Failure Dear Editors, President Bush, the supposed "Leader of the Free World", has yet again provided us with another example of failure in the case of Katrina. A man so fiercely surrounded and protected by people who tell him he can do no wrong, a man who has never known adversity in any form, has shown us that he once again lacks the leadership ability to prepare for disaster, and will never take responsibility for this tragic lack of action. Fifty years from now, historians and people in general will be asking themselves: How did this man get elected? And how could he have led us into pointless, deadly wars and failed to act when a disaster of the scale of Katrina could have been met with federal help in evacuation *pre-storm* ("telling" people who live below the poverty line that they "ought" to get out is not enough), and federal help with rescue and recovery -- not days late, *after* the storm has done its damage and after public pressure builds to take action to save the desparately stranded, but *before* the storm arrived? For once in your life, Mr. Bush, take responsibility for your lack of vision, and take the blame for this fiasco. Saddened, Walter J. Breen, Jr. 562 Hayes Street, #5 San Francisco, CA 94102 (415)863-6969 - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 18:47:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: NJC Shelter from the Storm ??'s who was the woman who sang with U2? and who was the band that covered Born On the Bayou? thx I found the show really good...caught a bit of the BETA channel show before that, was awesome too. Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:21:46 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: NJC the Evangelines hello, this song is about the "great mississippi flood of 1927," well chronicled in john barry's book: the great mississippi flood of 1927." in 1927, the mississippi river flooded 27,00 square miles from illionois to the gulf of mexico. the federal government didn't lift a finger to help the victims, none was expected. more than 700,000 blacks were displace. the white population was was evacuated and given help. the blacks were forced to live on the river levees because they were the sorce of cheap labor to repair the levees. forced there by the mississippi national guard in conditions close to slavery. "in new orleans, officals dynamited a levee south of the city. water washing across st. benard and plaquemines parishes to relieved pressure on the new orleans levees, maybe preventing flooding in the rest of the city. but those parishes were ruined." bankers and city leaders promised full compenstaion to the victims for dynamiting the levees. but later reneged on the promises when the state supreme court (which they controled) backed the bankers. herbert hoover, then a unknown and secretary of commerce led ruscue/relief efforts. he got humanitarian aid, food, and health care to the 700,000 blacks living on the levees. some of those levees were 8' wide across. this made his reputation and sent him to the white house in 1928. interesting book, if there is anything that we learn from history is that we never learn anything from history. later gene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 22:44:30 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: The latest Bull Sheet from Michael Paz (NJC) Hello My Joni Folk Well it was a helluva day. I finished cleaning up round here with the help off my two angel sons and a refugee house guest Hector as well as two of Mikey's friends from the neighborhood. I feel like I have been hit by a truck but it feels good cause it looks more like home on a good day. (By the way the weather has been awesome since the dreadful day. Lower than normal humidity and sunny and clear. If only we did not have that incessant sound of helicopters. We had MRE's for lunch. Well at least the men folk. The ladies has a lovely tuna salad prepared by the madam of the house. Found out that a really nice cop fro the NOPD killed himself the other day when he found his wife dead as a result of the storm. I heard about it on the national news, but it was not till today that I knew it was that close to home. Which brings me to defending ones self (a current thread). I have never owned a gun. I have spent a lifetime doing my part to heal people not hurt them. But the thought occurred to me that it was time to change that position when it comes to the current state of affairs in my area. I have seen a lot of scary looking people passing thru and I just hope that I never have to resort to that. Yesterday I was not able to post as I was overcome with exhaustion as well as just plain blah. Mikey and I helped my boy Rick load out his equipment from the studio where I mixed many records like; Pazfest, Jack Neilson Here I go Again, the recording I did at Jazz fest this year which was our first 5.1 mix. It was really sad. We got caught in the melee of traffic and were diverted out of our way because of some official thing that I am sure makes sense to someone somewhere. I am sure they have nice suits and a corner office as well as hot and cold running chamber maids and a nice wife who does... Oh sorry I am digressing again. WHERE THE FUCK IS FEMA???? Worse than that WHERE THE FUCK IS THE RED CROSS???? Here's a debit card oh sorry we taking it back Bush on TV saying EVERY household gets $2000.00 Now we don't get it. What the fuck??? Michael Brown has been sent back to Washington to deal with the storm that is off the coast if Florida. I have one word for all you folks there in Florida and in Washington-------RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am sorry I do not like kicking a man when he is down but the buddy system was designed for divers not important positions to protect the homeland. But then again Presidents should be spending more time protecting the homeland, as opposed to playing golf, being on vacation or being in say IRAQ! Anyways I am venting here? Time to watch some music on TV! Love ya all Bye Paz NP-Restless No More-Big Sun P.S. Go this from former JMDL member and MY old FRIEND Marcel Deste and it made me laugh in the face... - ------ Forwarded Message From: Marcel Deste Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:36:09 -0700 (PDT) To: michael@thepazgroup.com Subject: Helpful tips Michael, I was sent a post thing you posted to the discussion list and Im relieved you have been able to return to your home and it is still there and its still a home. Could you copy me on your future blog-like posts about the hurricane and post storm recovery? Now some helpful tips:. First of all wipe your feet before entering the house. Secondly, do it every time not just some times. Thirdly music at times like this is depressing because it twangs the emotions and you probably are emotional at this time. You might be better off playing tape soundtracks from the National Geographic or Weather Channell. Four, theres this British broom that works better than American ones. Fifth, watch out for chiggers, they are outside your home in the back yard and they have bided their time in your trees above the water.. Sixth, dont drink the water still in your street. It is not clean. Seventh, Look for an opportunity to move closer to the Superdome. I understand its great in big storms so you can still go to Houston but it will be for free in a bus.. Eighth, Find a new governor. The one you have came across on the news as if she was the French Chef in a bar riot. Ninth. If, upon arrival, you find an alligator in your bathtub, show it how to get back home. If it refuses to leave ......actually, I dont have a tip to share if they refuse to leave. Tenth: The job market, very hot inside information, is booming in the areas of toxic cleanup, carpentry, and levee building. Bro, I hope some humor brightens your day. If you guys in any way think about migrating out here to trade hurricanes for earthquakes, I will personally get your resume and a strong letter of recommendation to the fields you want to explore. Best wishes prayers and thoughts. marcel  Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. - ------ End of Forwarded Message - ------ Forwarded Message From: Marcel Deste Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:36:09 -0700 (PDT) To: michael@thepazgroup.com Subject: Helpful tips Michael, I was sent a post thing you posted to the discussion list and Im relieved you have been able to return to your home and it is still there and its still a home. Could you copy me on your future blog-like posts about the hurricane and post storm recovery? Now some helpful tips:. First of all wipe your feet before entering the house. Secondly, do it every time not just some times. Thirdly music at times like this is depressing because it twangs the emotions and you probably are emotional at this time. You might be better off playing tape soundtracks from the National Geographic or Weather Channell. Four, theres this British broom that works better than American ones. Fifth, watch out for chiggers, they are outside your home in the back yard and they have bided their time in your trees above the water.. Sixth, dont drink the water still in your street. It is not clean. Seventh, Look for an opportunity to move closer to the Superdome. I understand its great in big storms so you can still go to Houston but it will be for free in a bus.. Eighth, Find a new governor. The one you have came across on the news as if she was the French Chef in a bar riot. Ninth. If, upon arrival, you find an alligator in your bathtub, show it how to get back home. If it refuses to leave ......actually, I dont have a tip to share if they refuse to leave. Tenth: The job market, very hot inside information, is booming in the areas of toxic cleanup, carpentry, and levee building. Bro, I hope some humor brightens your day. If you guys in any way think about migrating out here to trade hurricanes for earthquakes, I will personally get your resume and a strong letter of recommendation to the fields you want to explore. Best wishes prayers and thoughts. marcel Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. - ------ End of Forwarded Message - ------ Forwarded Message From: Marcel Deste Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:36:09 -0700 (PDT) To: michael@thepazgroup.com Subject: Helpful tips Michael, I was sent a post thing you posted to the discussion list and Im relieved you have been able to return to your home and it is still there and its still a home. Could you copy me on your future blog-like posts about the hurricane and post storm recovery? Now some helpful tips:. First of all wipe your feet before entering the house. Secondly, do it every time not just some times. Thirdly music at times like this is depressing because it twangs the emotions and you probably are emotional at this time. You might be better off playing tape soundtracks from the National Geographic or Weather Channell. Four, theres this British broom that works better than American ones. Fifth, watch out for chiggers, they are outside your home in the back yard and they have bided their time in your trees above the water.. Sixth, dont drink the water still in your street. It is not clean. Seventh, Look for an opportunity to move closer to the Superdome. I understand its great in big storms so you can still go to Houston but it will be for free in a bus.. Eighth, Find a new governor. The one you have came across on the news as if she was the French Chef in a bar riot. Ninth. If, upon arrival, you find an alligator in your bathtub, show it how to get back home. If it refuses to leave ......actually, I dont have a tip to share if they refuse to leave. Tenth: The job market, very hot inside information, is booming in the areas of toxic cleanup, carpentry, and levee building. Bro, I hope some humor brightens your day. If you guys in any way think about migrating out here to trade hurricanes for earthquakes, I will personally get your resume and a strong letter of recommendation to the fields you want to explore. Best wishes prayers and thoughts. marcel Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. - ------ End of Forwarded Message - ------ Forwarded Message From: Marcel Deste Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:36:09 -0700 (PDT) To: michael@thepazgroup.com Subject: Helpful tips Michael, I was sent a post thing you posted to the discussion list and Im relieved you have been able to return to your home and it is still there and its still a home. Could you copy me on your future blog-like posts about the hurricane and post storm recovery? Now some helpful tips:. First of all wipe your feet before entering the house. Secondly, do it every time not just some times. Thirdly music at times like this is depressing because it twangs the emotions and you probably are emotional at this time. You might be better off playing tape soundtracks from the National Geographic or Weather Channell. Four, theres this British broom that works better than American ones. Fifth, watch out for chiggers, they are outside your home in the back yard and they have bided their time in your trees above the water.. Sixth, dont drink the water still in your street. It is not clean. Seventh, Look for an opportunity to move closer to the Superdome. I understand its great in big storms so you can still go to Houston but it will be for free in a bus.. Eighth, Find a new governor. The one you have came across on the news as if she was the French Chef in a bar riot. Ninth. If, upon arrival, you find an alligator in your bathtub, show it how to get back home. If it refuses to leave ......actually, I dont have a tip to share if they refuse to leave. Tenth: The job market, very hot inside information, is booming in the areas of toxic cleanup, carpentry, and levee building. Bro, I hope some humor brightens your day. If you guys in any way think about migrating out here to trade hurricanes for earthquakes, I will personally get your resume and a strong letter of recommendation to the fields you want to explore. Best wishes prayers and thoughts. marcel Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. - ------ End of Forwarded Message - ------ Forwarded Message From: Marcel Deste Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:36:09 -0700 (PDT) To: michael@thepazgroup.com Subject: Helpful tips Michael, I was sent a post thing you posted to the discussion list and Im relieved you have been able to return to your home and it is still there and its still a home. Could you copy me on your future blog-like posts about the hurricane and post storm recovery? Now some helpful tips:. First of all wipe your feet before entering the house. Secondly, do it every time not just some times. Thirdly music at times like this is depressing because it twangs the emotions and you probably are emotional at this time. You might be better off playing tape soundtracks from the National Geographic or Weather Channell. Four, theres this British broom that works better than American ones. Fifth, watch out for chiggers, they are outside your home in the back yard and they have bided their time in your trees above the water.. Sixth, dont drink the water still in your street. It is not clean. Seventh, Look for an opportunity to move closer to the Superdome. I understand its great in big storms so you can still go to Houston but it will be for free in a bus.. Eighth, Find a new governor. The one you have came across on the news as if she was the French Chef in a bar riot. Ninth. If, upon arrival, you find an alligator in your bathtub, show it how to get back home. If it refuses to leave ......actually, I dont have a tip to share if they refuse to leave. Tenth: The job market, very hot inside information, is booming in the areas of toxic cleanup, carpentry, and levee building. Bro, I hope some humor brightens your day. If you guys in any way think about migrating out here to trade hurricanes for earthquakes, I will personally get your resume and a strong letter of recommendation to the fields you want to explore. Best wishes prayers and thoughts. marcel Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. - ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #349 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)