From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #348 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 9 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 348 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NO needs Rudy? NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: Ms. Patty Parlette, njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: These people are not from this planet -- njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club...now..I still don't recall you ["Bree Mcdonoug] Re: NJC White House phone number ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: US govt and N.O. -- njc [Smurf ] Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: US govt and N.O. -- njc [Smurf ] RE: US govt and N.O. -- njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: NJC White House phone number ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: getting the word out (njc) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club [Catherine McKay ] Re: Celebrating Early Joni ["Michael Flaherty" ] Laura the strumming guitarist.... NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Laura the strumming guitarist.... NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] RE: These people are not from this planet -- njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: early joni obsession attempted justification! [Catherine McKay ] Re: getting the word out (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: getting the word out (njc) [Smurf ] Re: getting the word out (njc) ["Mark Scott" ] Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club ["Mark Scott" ] Re: NO needs Rudy? NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: getting the word out (njc) ["Anne Sandstrom" ] Re: Laura the strumming guitarist.... NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: Laura the strumming guitarist.... NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: NO needs Rudy? blech NJC [vince ] NJC the Evangelines [Em ] NJC re: the Evangelines...and NJC [Em ] Re: getting the word out (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club [Gary Z ] Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club [Em ] Duke/uconn/NJC ["Mike and Alice Hicks" ] Canada/US/NJC ["Mike and Alice Hicks" ] Re: Ms. Patty Parlette, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 05:59:52 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NO needs Rudy? NJC Really!? I knew there was something fishy about that guy. ;-) Of course...RR was at one time a Democrat. Bree In truth, Ray Nagin, Mayor of New Orleans, was a registered and active >Republican until just before running for mayor. > >Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 06:12:14 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Ms. Patty Parlette, njc Preeminent Patty Parlette >Help me out here guys. . > >Precious Patty Parlette. . . . . . > > >Precious Patty Parlette pontifies . . . . . > >Precious Patty Parlette promotes. . . > > > >on this list > >brainstorming here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 06:25:05 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: NJC The Bree Fan Club Do I even know this Suze? ;-) Bree >Well, let me be the first to say that I don't like Bree. Her political >views are skewed. I loathe her creamy chocolates, >especially those named for the state that brought us four more years of >'his shrubbery'. Oh, and as far as sarcasm is concerned, I >hate that as no one ever gets it. > >Suze< > >_________________________________________________________________ >Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 07:01:36 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: These people are not from this planet -- njc At first read this does sound bad.....from an uppity patrician...??? I know what BB meant by this because I thought the same thing for SOME of the displaced.... Many of the hurricane victims resided in public housing and proclaimed... they never... because of their location in New Orleans ////reaped any of the tourist $$ in the first place. Many said they had nothing to go back to. AND the hospitality .... not only with kind words... but the outpouring of generosity.... offers of jobs...homes to call their own...cars....ATM cards....it goes on and on. So I don't think she was being insensitive..but straightforward... which is deadly in this age of political correctness. Bree >>Barbara Bush: Things Working Out 'Very Well' for Poor Evacuees from New >Orleans > >By E&P Staff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 07:41:19 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: US govt and N.O. I don't know.... ..but what I do know is that things are getting a little better daily for those stricken by this disaster. All that we can do is try to prepare better next time and take each disaster as it comes. Bree >Where is your hope and optimism? > >It still exists, but it's hard when our country is being run by >an imbecile. The American people will survive, but at what cost? > >Gus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 07:58:52 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club...now..I still don't recall you Marianne assures me that I know you...she said to me just this morning ..you know ..she's from that nondescript town in Michigan...the ones with NO accents...not much happening there.. I still don't recall you. Bree >> >Well, let me be the first to say that I don't like Bree. Her political >views are skewed. I loathe her creamy chocolates, especially those named >for the state that brought us four more years of 'his shrubbery'. Oh, and >as far as sarcasm is concerned, I hate that as no one ever gets it. > >Suze > >-- >CoreComm Webmail. >http://home.core.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:07:43 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NJC White House phone number Thanks my sweet judy blues eyes friend! Love you... Bree >member of the Bree fan club here! >One of the sweetest people on the JMDL. >Our political disagreements are only that (and that goes for Kakki, too). > >Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:11:16 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: cheney? njc A sighting today in New Orleans. >last seen Saturday in the Rose Garden with Rove while W spoke > >Vince > >Marianne Rizzo wrote: > >>Where is Cheney? >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >>http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 05:19:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: RE: US govt and N.O. -- njc - --- Bree wrote: > All that we can > do is try to prepare > better next time and take each disaster as it comes. And, of course, replace the head of FEMA with someone who has some sort of background in disaster management. I work in the same building with at least four people who have better credentials than this embarrassment. Seems like we have learned from 9/11, though. Notice that the Red Cross didn't end up with 100 million pints of useless blood this time? - --Smurf ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:28:50 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club Thanks Bob! I always said that you were the one the main people that keep the JMDL hopping. I miss your covers and we want to enroll again soon. It's just that marianne and I are still organizing...we have hundreds of CD's ...hers..mine and ours to find a place for. "(looking for a big ..real wood..organizer for them) I might just take you up on this..can Marianne come too? A threesome? Thanks so much! Love you... Bree >And might I add one of the most generous...thinking of those yummy buckeye >candies and all the support you've given to the Covers Project, Bree...I >may not see (buck) eye to (buck) eye with you all the time, but that's OK, >and I admire your willingness to fight for what you believe in when you are >so overwhelmingly outnumbered. > >Melissa Manchester is playing in town November 3 - the ticket's on me, >we'll feed you and give you a place to rest your head, so come on down >babe! > >Bob > >NP: Joni, "Sire of Sorrow" (Job's Sad Song) > > > > >--------------------------------- > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 05:38:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: RE: US govt and N.O. -- njc - --- I wrote: > I work in the same building with at > least > four people who have better credentials than this > embarrassment. I *meant* to say I work in the same building with at least four people who have better credentials for running FEMA. - --Smurf ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:38:01 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: US govt and N.O. -- njc I agree this guy was too slow in his response. But then others are saying that FEMA IS NOT a first response organization. Yes...if this does prove to be the case...he should go. I'm sure there will be a commision set up . Bree >--- Bree wrote: > > > All that we can > > do is try to prepare > > better next time and take each disaster as it comes. > >And, of course, replace the head of FEMA with someone >who has some sort of background in disaster >management. I work in the same building with at least >four people who have better credentials than this >embarrassment. > >Seems like we have learned from 9/11, though. Notice >that the Red Cross didn't end up with 100 million >pints of useless blood this time? > >--Smurf > > > > >______________________________________________________ >Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:40:41 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club Correcting myself..*** >Thanks Bob! I always said that you were the one the main people that >***(WHO) keep the JMDL hopping. I miss your covers and we want to enroll >again soon. Bree ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:52:40 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club I'm sorry we couldn't get together this summer...hopefully next summer? Talk about sweet?!! Maybe at the west coast Jonifest? Julius? Bree >I'm a proud member of the Bree fan club too - ;-) She's a sweetheart! > >Gary >Detroit > > >> >>--------------------------------- >>Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:01:35 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club Nuttin?! ;0 _______________________________ You're in my heart...this is hard to express with words.. two people I want to meet before I exit this place..Joni...and YOU ... Anyway you could swing it to see MM in Bob's part of the world? I love you!! Bree >Politically, I agree with little to nothing that Bree has to write. We >simply don't discuss politics for I think much more of her than I do of >that >mess. I would have to say that I am her number one fan, well Mar will >contest that one. heheh. Melissa Manchester in your town Bob? Now, that >just ain't right. I would say the chances of her ever coming to good ole >Texas are very small. I hope you go. And if you are lucky enough to talk >with her, please tell her that HER number one fan is there in spirit. > >mack > >np: who else? Melissa Manchester ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:33:31 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: NJC White House phone number Not only the funniest man alive but the most astute! Love you ... Bree >My friend Bree and I are at opposite ends of the >political spectrum, so I cannot defend her political >views. I *can*, however, defend to the death her right >to be sarcastic. I think people are not closely >reading what she wrote. Here it is: > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:15:10 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club Here! Here! Gary! I echo your sentiments and everyone else's! One thing we treasure and value here is the right to differing opinions. It does not change our love for one another. I have to say that we have learned through through laughter and tears to love one another and the JMDL is head and shoulders beyond other forums that allow political discussions from what I have seen! I'm very proud to be here!!! Love, Sherelle Gary wrote: I'm a proud member of the Bree fan club too - ;-) She's a sweetheart! Gary Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:19:35 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: getting the word out (njc) Dear Anne, I can feel your heart on this one. I hope this gets to someone down there who will take you up on your offer! You make my heart glad and hopeful just reading your words! Love, Sherelle Anne wrote: I'm hoping that we can get the word out to the people displaced by Katrina. We're ready, willing, and able to welcome 2500 people here in Massachusetts. Apparently, no one is taking us up on the offer. So far, I know there are lots of people who are reluctant to go anywhere - to another state, on the cruise ships waiting for them, etc. I know this list isn't the right forum. And I'm sure there are people figuring this out (well, then again maybe not). But I just have to say this somewhere. We're anxious to help. We know it's not your home. And we know it's hard. But, please come. You'll be on Cape Cod, which is lovely. OK, it's a military base. But we're hand making quilts for all of you. The Celtics are donating sneakers for all of you. There are day trips planned. You'll see New England in the fall. There are recreatinal facilities for you. And a movie theater. There will be classes for your kids. Please come. We're waiting - hoping, ready to greet you with open arms. lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:32:04 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Live From The War Zone (NJC) Dear Paz, My heart leaped with joy at your post! Do what you have to do to stay cool! I am so thankful that your house is still intact. I feel so happy right now that my dear friend and his family is all right!!! Love, Sherelle Paz wrote: The Paz Family arrived safely home tonight at around 8pm. We have electricity and water but the a/c is broken in the house. We are camping out on the floor of the new addition which has no carpet but a very chill A/C unit in it. It took us 8 hours today. Lots of gas stations with no gas, food stores with empty shelves, lots of trees and buildings down. The neighborhood is strewn with debris. The house looks pretty good. One tree down on the shed as reported, fence down (there is too many of them anyway), lots of branches and debris to clean up, rotten food in the fridge that smelled to high heaven, but we are home. Check in with you guys tomorrow. Love Paz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:42:10 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: These people are not from this planet -- njc Bree opined: > I know what BB meant by this because I thought the same thing for SOME of > the displaced.... > > Many of the hurricane victims resided in public housing and proclaimed... > they never... because of their location in New Orleans ////reaped any of the > tourist $$ in the first place. Many said they had nothing to go back to. > AND the hospitality .... not only with kind words... but the outpouring > of generosity.... offers of jobs...homes to call their own...cars....ATM > cards....it goes on and on. > > So I don't think she was being insensitive..but straightforward... which is > deadly in this age of political correctness. I spoke with my friend DeMarias yesterday. She lives in Mandeville, just north of Lake Ponchartrain, which was hit pretty hard too. It's a relatively wealthy community with million dollar homes on the lakefront, etc. DeMarias and I agreed on this, regarding Mrs. Bush's statement: no matter how shitty your life in the projects might be, it's still preferable to be in your home, among those you know and love (or hate, even), where you have a shred of dignity and privacy. I *might* be able to agree that a person who normally lives beneath the Causeway overpass is a bit better off in the Astrodome. (Maybe, and I say maybe because perhaps some people prefer to live beneath the overpass and we should honor their choice to do so.) But to say that it's "working well" for everyone who is "underprivileged" is completely presumptuous and smacks of overprivileged, out of touch arrogance. I'd like to see Babs Bush displaced and living in a stadium with 10,000 other people. She could sit on her cot and dispense her pearls of wisdom to everyone. Yeah, that would be something to see. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:42:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Canadians beat U.S. Army to New Orleans suburb - njc I spotted this on yahoo news when I went to sign in. I betcha $5 it's only on the yahoo Canada site. This is meant less as a "Rah for us!" thing than a "WTF is wrong with this picture thing?" Irony, or what? _________________________________________________ Canadians beat U.S. Army to New Orleans suburb Thu Sep 8, 1:36 AM ET BATON ROUGE, Louisiana (Reuters) - A Canadian search-and-rescue team reached a flooded New Orleans suburb to help save trapped residents five days before the U.S. military, a Louisiana state senator said on Wednesday. The Canadians beat both the Army and the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the U.S. disaster response department, to St. Bernard Parish east of New Orleans, where flood waters are still 8 feet deep in places, Sen. Walter Boasso said. "Fabulous, fabulous guys," Boasso said. "They started rolling with us and got in boats to save people." "We've got Canadian flags flying everywhere." The stricken parish of 68,000 people was largely ignored by U.S. authorities who scrambled to get aid to New Orleans, a few miles (km) away. Boasso said residents of the outlying parishes had to mount their own rescue and relief efforts when Hurricane Katrina roared ashore on August 29. The U.S. government response to the disaster has been widely criticized. Politicians and editorial writers have called for the resignation of top Bush administration officials. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:47:09 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: US govt and N.O. -- njc Bree wrote: > I'm sure there will be a commision set up . Of course. It will be made up of Republicans and might-as-well-be-Repub Dems, who will find no fault with anyone whose head really oughta roll, certainly not the head not some pal of Bush. They'll find some other scapegoat and blame them instead. The whole damn Congress and Senate should be replaced, imo. Let's start fresh. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:52:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club Who the hell is Bree? - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > I'm sorry we couldn't get together this > summer...hopefully next summer? > Talk about sweet?!! > > Maybe at the west coast Jonifest? Julius? > > Bree > > >I'm a proud member of the Bree fan club too - ;-) > She's a sweetheart! > > > >Gary > >Detroit > > > > > >> > >>--------------------------------- > >>Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > relief effort. > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 10:33:46 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: Celebrating Early Joni On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:46:55 -0700 Randy Remote wrote: I would love to hear the alternative Mingus >tracks with > John McLaughlin. There is nothing in those vaults that I would rather have! I would guess that the entire Jaco period has a lot of interesting outtakes, alt. versions, etc. Maybe this is greedy of me , but I would prefer what Columbia is doing with Dylan (and Miles Davis) to a big box. Keep a steady flow of live and studio material coming, with each era getting its share. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:02:29 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Laura the strumming guitarist.... NJC Marianne and I had the pleasure and absolute joy in having Laura Stanley visit this past summer... she was supposed just to visit a few days but ending up staying longer...eight days..I think ..when I last counted. Anyway...we picked her up from the airport with her guitar in hand she immediately started playing...how nice...AND so unexpected at the airport. About fifteen or so songs later I told her we had to get going because it was costing us money to park. (they charge for every 1/2 hour parked) We picked her up in Marianne's truck to make room for her seven or eight pieces of luggage (I thought at the time this woman travels heavy for just a few days ) Marianne drove ..I sat in the middle and Laura sat passenger side...and yes ..the hour trip home she regaled us with more strumming and singing. (The neck of her guitar was hanging out the window...the body of her Ovation in my side) WHile Marianne and I dragged her suitcases..nine in all up the walk..up the steps...yeah..Laura was sitting on the stoop with more strumming and singing. WHile showering off the dust that night...tap..tap..tap... she stood outside the door and asked me what I wanted her to play next. OH...surprise me Laura..surprise me!! Laura and I took a trip from Toronto to Montreal..(Canada is more beautiful than anything I imagined) our first night at the hotel I was regaled AGAIN ..two plus hours to be exact. It was loud because while carrying HER luggage in I could hear her down the hotel hallway. Late in the night..early in the morning...(you don't need an alarm clock set with Laura in the house) more songs..more strumming. I thought.... the new Victor on the list? I managed to get the first two verses of Norwegian Wood in using my Behringer amp..and new microphone..here she comes saying I'm harmonizing with myself and then she clamped a capo on me. She wanted to show me the right way to sing it..yeah...she showed me ...ALL evening long. It was great to meet her... and I'm hoping I can see her again at next year's Jonifest. Wondering will everyone be assigned to just playing four of five songs? Bree ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:22:50 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club From: "Catherine McKay" > Who the hell is Bree? > Uhhh....The place where Frodo, Sam, Merry & Pippin were supposed to meet Gandalf? A cheese?? A very kind person who sent me a Borders gift card to purchase 'Travelogue' with? Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:22:48 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Laura the strumming guitarist.... NJC Somebody who claims to be Bree wrote: Marianne drove ..I sat in the middle and Laura sat passenger side...and yes ..the hour trip home she regaled us with more strumming and singing. (The neck of her guitar was hanging out the window...the body of her Ovation in my side) WHile Marianne and I dragged her suitcases..nine in all up the walk..up the steps...yeah..Laura was sitting on the stoop with more strumming and singing. Hi "Bree", What? Something about this isn't right. You got it all wrong stranger. What is with your memory anyway?... I'm right handed and wasn't sitting next to you in the passenger seat. Don't you remember? I was sitting in your lap, riding you like a horse, singing in your face, my back facing toward the front of the truck... that is how the heck the neck of my guitar ended up out of the window. It is okay that you got angry at me and chewed holes in my guitar case and then blamed it on the ill treatment of it by the air lines during the flight, but you'd better get the story straight despite your claims to be a lesbian, questionable claims because I saw you pinned in the corner and not saying no to that guy in that bar in Toronto... you gay imposter you. You made me pay my dues you did you did you did. You forgot to mention how you and your fiancee forced me to go to a neighbors dump in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night and dig up trash and how she made me carry the trash back to your farm house I thought about burning down. You also forgot to mention our little trip to the convent. How you forced me to drive you there so your fiancee could ask a cloistered nun to unveil her hair and ask the nun why she was sitting behind that barrier thingy. Always causing trouble you two are. I've met women who have mouths like yours, claiming to know my devils and my deeds... I said I wouldn't tell, but you told all my secrets so now I'm gonna... Bree makes Marianne read GW's favorite book, My Pet Goat, to her every night before bed. Every night. 8 nights of hearing that coming from their bedroom into the little attic space they gave me to sleep in. After the last page of the book, Bree makes goat sounds and does the goat dance very well. Eight days and you told me it wasn't enough, that I would have to come back again to pay more dues. Not unless you get the story straight next time. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 10:50:11 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: These people are not from this planet -- njc It is wonderful that people everywhere are willing to help but I'm skeptical that all of a sudden those who were once very poor will be given jobs, homes, cars & atm cards... I would love to be wrong... the statement was shocking to me because I somehow thought of bb as more tactful... a lot of the people lost their community, their loved ones, & had endured days of horror that I can't pretend to even imagine... her public statement was as out of place as her son's comment on his party days when addressing the relief efforts... the family is just plain bizarre imo... >I know what BB meant by this because I thought the same thing for SOME of the displaced....< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:00:30 +0100 From: "JEFF HANKINS" Subject: early joni obsession attempted justification! Thanks folks for responses to my 'early Joni' thoughts and ah, Nuriel, you' re a real fan: <> See, though the body of her work enthrals me from start to finish, (Seagull to Tiger!) I simply can't trust her judgement that far, certainly not with such unquestioning faith! She is, after all, pretty dismissive about most of her early work anyway, pretty dismissive about the music industry generally, pretty dismissive about a lot of things, if we are to read recent interviews as a true reflection of her judgements. Plus it's in the nature of great artists ('she got everything she needs..she don't look back') not to be retrospective, certainly not in the way that some archivistically minded fans can be! I take your point of course, but I propose this: that those songs have a validity all of their own, regardless of how discarded they might have been. I'm sure Joni has probably forgotten most of those songs I'm talking about; was contemptuous about their naivete quite early on: [this from Joni's interview with ZigZag in 1977] . 'ZZ: What, to you, is the trademark of your growth? What is the change in your writing that indicates to you that you're writing better songs now than you were before? JM: Now, better is a point of view. My mother and a lot of relatives will think I'm more ambiguous. I think I am a better poet now, and my melodies are much more complex. The music is, and this is a dirty word to use, much more intellectual. It's more complicated, it has more meat to it. So things like 'Carnival in Kenora', which is just a pretty little courtship song that people like - I'm not writing any more like that. I get halfway through them and I realise they're not saying anything, and I throw them aside. I have more philosophy in my songs; it's not really protest, it's more contemporary. If a historian read into it, he would see more of our time in my music now. ' Yeah, right, of course. But I went to the Picasso Museum in Barcelona recently: fantastic to see, as you move from room to room, the stages of his development - and I was intrigued with how good (technically good, though of course less ambitious) were those portraits and landscapes from his early years - even then there were little experiments with light etc. And I know this: that if I found an early painting he'd discarded, left hanging round in a cupboard somewhere.well firstly I don't think I'd leave it there, and secondly I bet for all its relative youthful unspectacular simplicity, there'd be something about it worth appreciating. What d'ya reckon? Jeff from Wales, again. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:13:06 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Canadians beat U.S. Army to New Orleans suburb - njc YAY, Canada!! I love you. Hey, do you know why Bush took so long to respond to the crisis in Louisiana? He thought it still belonged to France. ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:42:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: getting the word out (njc) The word must have gotten out because the first plane with survivors just landed at Otis. - --Bob Anne Sandstrom wrote: I'm hoping that we can get the word out to the people displaced by Katrina. We're ready, willing, and able to welcome 2500 people here in Massachusetts. Apparently, no one is taking us up on the offer. So far, I know there are lots of people who are reluctant to go anywhere - to another state, on the cruise ships waiting for them, etc. I know this list isn't the right forum. And I'm sure there are people figuring this out (well, then again maybe not). But I just have to say this somewhere. We're anxious to help. We know it's not your home. And we know it's hard. But, please come. You'll be on Cape Cod, which is lovely. OK, it's a military base. But we're hand making quilts for all of you. The Celtics are donating sneakers for all of you. There are day trips planned. You'll see New England in the fall. There are recreatinal facilities for you. And a movie theater. There will be classes for your kids. Please come. We're waiting - hoping, ready to greet you with open arms. lots of love, Anne - --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:26:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: early joni obsession attempted justification! - --- JEFF HANKINS wrote: > Thanks folks for responses to my 'early Joni' > thoughts and ah, Nuriel, you' > re a real fan: > > > > < them, they were not > meant for my ears>> > > > > See, though the body of her work enthrals me from > start to finish, (Seagull > to Tiger!) I simply can't trust her judgement that > far, certainly not with > such unquestioning faith! I agree. I don't trust her that way. She just doesn't like her "helium" voice - maybe one day soon she'll like it again. She went through a period where she didn't want to sing her earlier songs if people asked: "No one asked Van Gogh to paint another Starry Night, man!" but later, relented and rerecorded them for Travelogue with full orchestral backup. I think we all go through a period where we are dismissive of the things we did in our youth and want nothing to do with them but then, as we get even older, we realize that there's some value to that stuff after all, almost as if our earlier young self were another person, a daughter or niece perhaps, in which case, it's OK to hear that stuff again, with new ears. I've forgiven myself for a lot of things I wrote in my youth, but 20 years ago, I cringed at it. And Nuriel, if someone tells me things aren't meant for my ears, you can bet your sweet ass I'd want to get hold of it and listen right away! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:35:26 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: Re: getting the word out (njc) I know my email had nothing to do with it, but I'm glad to see people starting to arrive. lots of love, Anne > The word must have gotten out because the first plane with survivors just > landed at Otis. > > --Bob > > Anne Sandstrom wrote: > I'm hoping that we can get the word out to the people displaced by Katrina. > We're ready, willing, and able to welcome 2500 people here in Massachusetts. > Apparently, no one is taking us up on the offer. So far, I know there are lots > of people who are reluctant to go anywhere - to another state, on the cruise > ships waiting for them, etc. > > I know this list isn't the right forum. And I'm sure there are people figuring > this out (well, then again maybe not). But I just have to say this somewhere. > > We're anxious to help. We know it's not your home. And we know it's hard. But, > please come. You'll be on Cape Cod, which is lovely. OK, it's a military base. > But we're hand making quilts for all of you. The Celtics are donating sneakers > for all of you. There are day trips planned. You'll see New England in the > fall. There are recreatinal facilities for you. And a movie theater. There > will be classes for your kids. > > Please come. We're waiting - hoping, ready to greet you with open arms. > > lots of love, > Anne > > > --------------------------------- > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 16:28:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: getting the word out (njc) - --- Anne Sandstrom wrote: > I know my email had nothing to do with it, but I'm > glad to see people starting to arrive. > > lots of love, > Anne > > > The word must have gotten out because the first > plane with survivors just > > landed at Otis. > > > > --Bob Annie, I bet they did hear you! Anyway, I was thinking about how dreadfully ironic it is that it's 250 years ago that the Acadians were expelled by the English from eastern Canada and dispersed to various points, including Louisiana AND Massechussetts (among other states); and that now, 250 years later, a force of nature has expelled the people of New Orleans, not necessarily Cajuns, mind you, but Louisianians... and that they are likewise dispersed to various points. I wonder if any will turn up in Acadie? Very interesting website with loads of info on the Acadians/Cajuns: http://www.acadian-cajun.com/index.htm Unfortunately it dispels the romantic legend of Evangline, while admitting, somewhat wistfully, that it coulda happened: http://www.acadian-cajun.com/acartic11.htm Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:33:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: getting the word out (njc) - --- Catherine wrote: > 250 > years later, a force of nature has expelled the > people > of New Orleans, not necessarily Cajuns, mind you, > but > Louisianians... and that they are likewise dispersed > to various points. I wonder if any will turn up in > Acadie? Or if Evangeline will finally find her long lost beau, instead of floating by him in a boat in the night. Maybe he's on Cape Cod. - --Smurf ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:49:59 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: getting the word out (njc) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smurf" > Or if Evangeline will finally find her long lost beau, > instead of floating by him in a boat in the night. > Maybe he's on Cape Cod. "This is the forest primeval Bearded with moss and in garments green With voices sad and prophetic The murmuring pines and hemlocks Stand like druids of old..." And that's all I remember. Had to memorize the prelude to 'Evangeline' when I was in 8th grade or some such time (that's pre-history, lamb, there are no known records or survivors...). Mark E. doddering in Shoreline near Seattle by the Sound ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:52:20 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" > Who the hell is Bree? > Oh I've got it now! She was the call girl that Jane Fonda won an Oscar for playing in 'Klute'. Remember Jane Fonda? That radical movie star who protested the Viet Nam War and recently got spit on for her pains? Yeah, that's who Bree must be! Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:43:25 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: NO needs Rudy? NJC Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Really!? I knew there was something fishy about that guy. ;-) Of > course...RR was at one time a Democrat. > Not! Undeclared at one time, now registered Green RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 17:48:25 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: Re: getting the word out (njc) Well, Mark, you're doing better than I am. All I remember is "This is the forest primeval." Mark said: > "This is the forest primeval > Bearded with moss and in garments green > With voices sad and prophetic > The murmuring pines and hemlocks > Stand like druids of old..." > > And that's all I remember. Had to memorize the prelude to 'Evangeline' when I > was in 8th grade or some such time (that's pre-history, lamb, there are no > known records or survivors...). > > Mark E. doddering in Shoreline near Seattle by the Sound lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:46:18 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Laura the strumming guitarist.... NJC I don't know what you guys are on, but I'd like to get some... >>> and.... >>> LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Somebody who claims to be Bree wrote: > > Marianne drove ..I sat in the middle and Laura sat passenger > side...and yes ..the hour trip home she regaled us with more strumming and > singing. (The neck of her guitar was hanging out the window...the body of > her Ovation in my side) WHile Marianne and I dragged her suitcases..nine > in all up the walk..up the steps...yeah..Laura was sitting on the stoop > with more strumming and singing. > > Hi "Bree", > > What? Something about this isn't right. You got it all wrong stranger. > What is with your memory anyway?... I'm right handed and wasn't sitting > next to you in the passenger seat. Don't you remember? I was sitting in your > lap, riding you like a horse, singing in your face, my back facing toward the > front of the truck... Also, if you have a video of that..... > that is how the heck the neck of my guitar ended up out > of the window. > > It is okay that you got angry at me and chewed holes in my guitar case > and then blamed it on the ill treatment of it by the air lines during the > flight, but you'd better get the story straight despite your claims to be a > lesbian, questionable claims because I saw you pinned in the corner and not saying > no to that guy in that bar in Toronto... you gay imposter you. > > You made me pay my dues you did you did you did. You forgot to mention > how you and your fiancee forced me to go to a neighbors dump in the middle of > nowhere in the middle of the night and dig up trash and how she made me > carry the trash back to your farm house I thought about burning down. > > You also forgot to mention our little trip to the convent. How you > forced me to drive you there so your fiancee could ask a cloistered nun to unveil > her hair and ask the nun why she was sitting behind that barrier thingy. > Always causing trouble you two are. I've met women who have mouths like yours, > claiming to know my devils and my deeds... > > I said I wouldn't tell, but you told all my secrets so now I'm gonna... > Bree makes Marianne read GW's favorite book, My Pet Goat, to her every night > before bed. Every night. 8 nights of hearing that coming from their > bedroom into the little attic space they gave me to sleep in. After the last page > of the book, Bree makes goat sounds and does the goat dance very well. > > Eight days and you told me it wasn't enough, that I would have to come > back again to pay more dues. Not unless you get the story straight next time. > > Love, > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:48:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club Subject: Re: NO needs Rudy? blech NJC New Orleans needs Rudy? The guy who let New York's emergency plan for the WTC get way out of date and then had the command center set up at the base of the Towers so a lot of the emergency leadership could be crushed in the collapse? The man had one decent moment when he said the toll would be heartbreaking. Otherwise he did nothing. The heroes who saved lives were not him, they were the everyday people. He has been living the celebrity life ever since, and a damn good life it has been, very rewarding and lucrative. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 16:29:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: NJC the Evangelines just so you know....SOME of you caused me to go to iTunes and purchase 5, yes FIVE "Evangeline"s! And there were of course many more Evangelines to be had! got: Evangeline Funky Blues Messiahs Eventually Evangeline Dash Rip Rock Evangeline Emmylou Harris w/ The Band Evangeline Los Lobos ay que delicious man!!!!!!! going back for the Silos maybe..and adding ones I already own by Mary Gauthier and Tracy Grammer (Shadows of Evang.) Fun! thanks you who are to *blame*. I adore the Dash Rip Rock cut! f_ck I adore all of them ;) Em "How would you feel if the world was falling apart around you Pieces of the sky were falling in your neighbors yard But not on you. Wouldn't you feel just a little bit funny Think maybe there's something you oughta do ..." ..Emmylou Harris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 16:41:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: NJC re: the Evangelines...and NJC and "the Evangeline Hotel" by Tom Russell.... damn thats good stuff.... thanks for puttin up with my music rambling, just hoping someone can relate... Em "How would you feel if the world was falling apart around you Pieces of the sky were falling in your neighbors yard But not on you. Wouldn't you feel just a little bit funny Think maybe there's something you oughta do ..." ..Emmylou Harris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 20:08:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: getting the word out (njc) - --- Mark Scott wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Smurf" > > Or if Evangeline will finally find her long lost > beau, > > instead of floating by him in a boat in the night. > > Maybe he's on Cape Cod. > > "This is the forest primeval > Bearded with moss and in garments green > With voices sad and prophetic > The murmuring pines and hemlocks > Stand like druids of old..." > > And that's all I remember. Had to memorize the > prelude to 'Evangeline' when > I was in 8th grade or some such time (that's > pre-history, lamb, there are no > known records or survivors...). > My mother had to memorize that too and she used to recite it to us kids many years later. She would always put a lot of emphasis in it though, so it may have been one that she had to memorize for diction or elocution class or something. It was always quite dramatic, in any case. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:23:35 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club Geez, I thought she was the woman on "Desperate Housewives!" ;-) Gary Mark Scott wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" > > >> Who the hell is Bree? >> > > Oh I've got it now! She was the call girl that Jane Fonda won an > Oscar for playing in 'Klute'. Remember Jane Fonda? That radical > movie star who protested the Viet Nam War and recently got spit on for > her pains? Yeah, that's who Bree must be! > > Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 17:32:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club and I thought she was a great bird-like creature in the old N64 game Banjo Kazooie. "Breegull". :) Em - --- Gary Z wrote: > Geez, > > I thought she was the woman on "Desperate Housewives!" ;-) > > Gary > > > Mark Scott wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" > > > > > >> Who the hell is Bree? > >> > > > > Oh I've got it now! She was the call girl that Jane Fonda won an > > Oscar for playing in 'Klute'. Remember Jane Fonda? That radical > > movie star who protested the Viet Nam War and recently got spit on > for > > her pains? Yeah, that's who Bree must be! > > > > Mark E. in Seattle > "How would you feel if the world was falling apart around you Pieces of the sky were falling in your neighbors yard But not on you. Wouldn't you feel just a little bit funny Think maybe there's something you oughta do ..." ..Emmylou Harris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:40:47 -0400 From: "Mike and Alice Hicks" Subject: Duke/uconn/NJC Patty, Do the UConn students hate Duke players, coaches or students? UConn beat to go to the national championship. What's there to hate? mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:55:30 -0400 From: "Mike and Alice Hicks" Subject: Canada/US/NJC seeing the white population become greyish color, Randy Remote wrote: What does that mean? Sounds to me like they're afraid of those with the complexion of Derek Jeter. JR in NH Yeah, and Kayne West. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:46:47 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Ms. Patty Parlette, njc Say this fast 3 times without pausing: Patty Parlette picked a peck of purple pimples If Patty Parlette picked a peck of purple pimples How many purple pimples did Patty Parlette pick Pitty isn't it... and no mention of Joni. What list is this anyway? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #348 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)