From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #345 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 6 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 345 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- US govt and N.O. [rsc1@humboldt.edu] RE: NJC could it be? more flooding tsunami [Catherine McKay ] Re: fuck eyes, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: fuck eyes, njc ["Jerry Notaro" ] (NJC) It IS Armageddon!! [Lori Fye ] (NJC) It IS Armageddon!! [Lori Fye ] RE: These people are not from this planet -- njc ["Ross, Les" ] Re: Update (NJC) [Lori Fye ] Re: fuck eyes, njc ["Suze Cameron" ] Melissa [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Melissa [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: Cheney njc ["Ruth Davis" ] Re: fuck eyes, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Cheney njc [revrvl@comcast.net (vince)] Re: Cheney njc ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Cheney njc ["Mark Scott" ] digest style [Normajean Garza ] Celebrating Early Joni ["JEFF HANKINS" ] Re: Cheney njc [revrvl@comcast.net (vince)] Out Of Joni [Nuriel Tobias ] NJC The Bree Fan Club ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Ms. Patty Parlette, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] new orleans, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Ms. Patty Parlette, njc [Em ] Re: Celebrating Early Joni [Bob Muller ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 02:11:25 -0700 (PDT) From: rsc1@humboldt.edu Subject: US govt and N.O. >> The Iraq war is the luxury of a rich/spoiled leadership... not a not a last resort effort. Now we are feeling the cost even greater. > I think.. at least when I last checked...that the U.S. is still the richest country on earth. SO I think we can handle both. You THINK we can handle both. Perhaps... but, while the US may be the richest country on earth, it also carries an enormous debt already (it's called the deficit, remember?). A huge, costly war (with no end in site), coupled with a huge natural disaster may very well strain the governments ability to maintain the illusion that everything is "OK". Gas prices skyrocket, which affects the cost of everything else. How strong IS our economy? We may find out very soon. Suppose we have a terrorist attack next month, or another hurricane sweeps into this already ravaged region? Will we have the money to deal with it all? Look, even Bush himself said that the governments response was terrible. AND, didn't the administration cut funds earmarked for strengthening the levees because the money was needed for the war effort? These bumbling stooges should never have been allowed to continue in office (I love that Cheney continued to stay on vacation while this mess unfolded - shows us all the man's true character, if indeed it was ever in doubt!), and now the 49% of us who didn't vote for them have to live with their arrogance AND their ineptness. > This tragedy of nature is being taken care of...... ...slowly... far too slowly.... > Where is your hope and optimism? It still exists, but it's hard when our country is being run by an imbecile. The American people will survive, but at what cost? Gus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 06:51:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: NJC could it be? more flooding tsunami Kay Ashley! It is so good to hear your voice! You've just explained, and in relatively few words at that, global warming in a way that now makes sense to me. Just another reason why I love this list. There is so much knowledge about almost everything. Ask a question, and someone answers it. - --- Kay Ashley wrote: > Hey All, > > Em wrote: > I mean we've been hearing about global warning and > the possible effects > for a long time - and yet just within this last > year, the tsunami in > thailand and thereabouts and now this storm with > flood in the US > Gulfcoast. > I just wonder if this means this stuff is now going > to be a yearly > occurance *somewhere*, more often now. > Or, is it just co-incidence? > the two things don't seem related..and yet..could it > be? > ---------------- > > I'm behind in my digests, so someone may have > already responded to this... > but since I'm a geology grad school dropout, I feel > that I can provide > some answers to Em's concerns. > > Last year's Asian tsunami and Hurricane Katrina are > not related, though > their consequences appear much the same. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 03:53:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: NJC could it be? more flooding tsunami Um, is this gonna be on the test? Bob NPIMH: Van Halen, "Hot For Teacher" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 04:38:09 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: These people are not from this planet -- njc Barbara Bush: Things Working Out 'Very Well' for Poor Evacuees from New Orleans By E&P Staff Published: September 05, 2005 7:25 PM ET updated 8:00 PM NEW YORK Accompanying her husband, former President George H.W.Bush, on a tour of hurricane relief centers in Houston, Barbara Bush said today, referring to the poor who had lost everything back home and evacuated, "This is working very well for them." The former First Lady's remarks were aired this evening on National Public Radio's "Marketplace" program. She was part of a group in Houston today at the Astrodome that included her husband and former President Bill Clinton, who were chosen by her son, the current president, to head fundraising efforts for the recovery. Sen. Hilary Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama were also present. In a segment at the top of the show on the surge of evacuees to the Texas city, Barbara Bush said: "Almost everyone I've talked to says we're going to move to Houston." Then she added: "What I'm hearing which is sort of scary is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. "And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she chuckles slightly) is working very well for them." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:41:54 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: (njc) Note from Michael Moore Hi, gang, I've been so devastated by Katrina and its effects that, together with various trials and tribulations large and small in my own life, I've been all but rendered unable to write much of late. I've been to N'Awlins, truly one of the jewels of this country and of the world, so many times, I feel like I lived there -- in fact, I rented an apartment there once, on Royal, not far from the police department, back in '90, but it didn't pan out. Seeing it this way breaks my heart. I can't imagine what Paz and his family are going through. Most of you have probably seen this reprinted somewhere or other, but just in case, here's a little note to the Prizdint from Michael Moore. Thoughts and prayers to all, Walt > Friday, September 2nd, 2005 > > Dear Mr. Bush: > > Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane > Katrina and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be > airlifted. Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military > choppers? Do you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears > parking lot. Man, was that a drag. > > Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could > really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do > like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to > begin with? > > Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of > Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then > but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there > were still homes without power. That night the weatherman said this > storm was on its way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody > tell you? I know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know > how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to > and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed her! > > I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying > to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. > Don't let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane > was over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike? > > And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how > you specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New > Orleans this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them > that even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there > weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you > had a much more important construction job for them -- BUILDING > DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ! > > On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I > was moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the > clouds as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of > the disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and > stand on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there > done that. > > There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try > to use it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out. > Respond to nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this > would happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter > and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all > their global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a > hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one F-4 tornado > that stretched from New York to Cleveland. > > No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 > percent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had > no transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, > it's not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving > white people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race > has nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with this! > > You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army > helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans and > the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit. > > Yours, > > Michael Moore > MMFlint@aol.com > www.MichaelMoore.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:01:57 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: These people are not from this planet -- njc Kate Bennett schrieb: > Barbara Bush: Things Working Out 'Very Well' for Poor Evacuees from New > Orleans http://www.drudgereport.com/bb.mp3 moni ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:08:18 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Governor holds the reins, njc After ranting to a Coast Guard reservist about FEMA's slow response, I learned something. Local officials are responsible for emergency response and *always* have been. FEMA was created only recently. Here's more from the NY Times: "(Governor) Blanco and (President) Bush have been at odds over the deployment of the National Guard in Louisiana, and both sides pointed fingers. On Friday night, Ms. Blanco refused to sign an agreement proposed by the White House to share control of National Guard forces in the state with federal authorities. "She would lose control when she had been in control from the very beginning," Ms. Bottcher (her press secretary) said on Sunday." In retrospect, this local responsibility sounds familiar, not just like self-protective rhetoric from the Administration. The mayor of NYC was the most visible leader after 9/11. The governor of Florida was the most visible leader in the wake of all of the Florida hurricanes last year. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:39:49 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: blackbird Randy replied "Bob, I bet your open-G version sounds cool. McCartney played it in standard tuning, however. Yesterday was played in standard, too, with the guitar tuned down 1 step. So he was playing G but it's in F. The only Beatles song I'm aware of in open tuning is Dear Prudence, played in drop-D (standard but low E dropped to D)." Thanks for the history, Randy. I stand de-hypothesized. The open G version is enhanced by the ability to use the high "D" string as a drone in many spots - which gives it a more open sound than I have been able to generate in standard tuning with Blackbird. Perhaps I need to work on my arrangement and technique. There are on or two chord variations that I play that I like a lot, and am not sure are easily replicated in standard. Hmm. I'll send you my chord shapes off line Best Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 06:59:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: These people are not from this planet -- njc Am I the only one that finds the Clintons' presence in this disconcerting? Where's Jimmy Carter? Wonder if he thinks things have worked out well. Em - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > Barbara Bush: Things Working Out 'Very Well' for Poor Evacuees from > New > Orleans > > By E&P Staff > > Published: September 05, 2005 7:25 PM ET updated 8:00 PM > > NEW YORK Accompanying her husband, former President George > H.W.Bush, on a tour of hurricane relief centers in > Houston, Barbara Bush said today, referring to the > poor who had lost everything back home and evacuated, > "This is working very well for them." > > The former First Lady's remarks were aired this > evening on National Public Radio's "Marketplace" > program. > > She was part of a group in Houston today at the > Astrodome that included her husband and former > President Bill Clinton, who were chosen by her son, > the current president, to head fundraising efforts for > the recovery. Sen. Hilary Clinton and Sen. Barack > Obama were also present. > > In a segment at the top of the show on the surge of > evacuees to the Texas city, Barbara Bush said: "Almost > everyone I've talked to says we're going to move to > Houston." > > Then she added: "What I'm hearing which is sort of > scary is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is > so overwhelmed by the hospitality. > > "And so many of the people in the arena here, you > know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she > chuckles slightly) is working very well for them." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:57:08 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: fuck eyes, njc Somebody who hates wrote: Well, let me be the first to say that I don't like Bree. Her political views are skewed. I loathe her creamy chocolates, especially those named for the state that brought us four more years of 'his shrubbery'. Oh, and as far as sarcasm is concerned, I hate that as no one ever gets it. Hi Bree basher, Hating other JMDLer's candy and sarcasm is not a JMDL family value. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 10:14:54 -0500 From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: fuck eyes, njc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:21:57 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) It IS Armageddon!! There are 666 JMDL threads in my Inbox!!! Help!! ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:21:57 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) It IS Armageddon!! There are 666 JMDL threads in my Inbox!!! Help!! ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 15:25:52 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: RE: These people are not from this planet -- njc ..this makes staggering reading. How can she possibly say these things and not wish the earth to swallow her up? - -----Original Message----- From: Kate Bennett Sent: 06 September 2005 12:38 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: These people are not from this planet -- njc Barbara Bush: Things Working Out 'Very Well' for Poor Evacuees from New Orleans ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:37:54 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Kenye West(NJC) > Let's all drop what we're doing and rally around Kenye. Let's stop shooting > blacks and shoot whites to make it even. No matter who is looting let's just > even the score. Works for me. Where do I sign up? I'll even bring my own .38 and bullets. Can I start with Shrub? ; ) Lori, whose girlfriend worries when I say things like that ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:40:35 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Update (NJC) >> There is a little group called the JMDL who has been sending donations to >> the Paz Family and we are so grateful and I know you will understand if I >> share that with people less fortunate than ourselves. Michael, I can speak only for myself, but it's yours to do with as you see a need. As Kate said: > I think many of us knew you'd be givin much of it away... be safe on your > journey home We'll be thinking of you, and yours ... Love, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:33:10 -0500 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: fuck eyes, njc Dear Laura, If you read my e-mail carefully, you will understand that I was poking fun at all of our typical political posts after any major news event. I am much more concerned with how to support relief efforts than pointing fingers. I am grateful to Les for creating a spot on the JMDL site where we can assist Michael, as knowing Michael the way I do, he will filter our money to where it is most needed. We can stand on opposite sides of the political battlefield and it will accomplish nothing for the victims of this devastating natural disaster. BTW, I am sure out of the 600 or so people on this list there are several who don't like me. It isn't the end of the world. This is not a popularity contest, merely a site for us to discuss the life and times of Joni Mitchell. I will admit to stirring the pot a bit to get us off the political rhetoric and on to some pro-active messages. Suze - ----- Original Message ----- From: LCStanley7@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: fuck eyes, njc Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:57:08 EDT > > Somebody who hates wrote: > > Well, let me be the first to say that I don't like Bree. Her political > views are skewed. I loathe her creamy chocolates, especially > those named for the > state that brought us four more years of 'his shrubbery'. Oh, and as far as > sarcasm is concerned, I hate that as no one ever gets it. > > > > Hi Bree basher, > > Hating other JMDLer's candy and sarcasm is not a JMDL family value. > > > Love, > Laura - -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:20:45 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Melissa > just ain't right. I would say the chances of her ever coming to good ole > Texas are very small. I hope you go. And if you are lucky enough to talk > with her, please tell her that HER number one fan is there in spirit.> Another big Melissa fan here. First time I saw her she was one of Bette Midler's Har-Lettes (and Barry Manilow was her pianist)! Then saw her in concert many times throughout the 70's. Her new cd is pretty good, but I was lucky one night to see a 15 minute special on the making of the cd on television they used as a filler. Great talent. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:30:35 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: Melissa I wish people wouldn't send me these emails with only girls first names in it... I get so much spam porn I have no where to put my real porn emails.... so I was a little disappointed to find out it wasn't porn but about Melissa Manchester... Also it's an NJC. Can you dig? Sorry to be an obssessive... I'm even on the alljoni list, I'm just looking out for those that aren't! - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > > > just ain't right. I would say the chances of her > ever coming to good ole > > Texas are very small. I hope you go. And if you > are lucky enough to talk > > with her, please tell her that HER number one fan > is there in spirit.> > > Another big Melissa fan here. First time I saw her > she was one of Bette > Midler's Har-Lettes (and Barry Manilow was her > pianist)! Then saw her in > concert many times throughout the 70's. Her new cd > is pretty good, but I was > lucky one night to see a 15 minute special on the > making of the cd on > television they used as a filler. Great talent. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:07:05 GMT From: "Ruth Davis" Subject: Re: Cheney njc Marianne asked the question "Where's Cheney?" Perhaps, before the orgy of press conferences ensued, he was piloting the barge that rammed the levee in NOLA. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 12:08:08 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: fuck eyes, njc Suze wrote: If you read my e-mail carefully, you will understand that I was poking fun at all of our typical political posts after any major news event. Hi Suze, Sure, sarcasm, got it! Life and times of Joni Mitchell, like lives being saved and levees being repaired and pumping going on today, got that too! Smile. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:08:32 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: Re: Cheney njc Now that's funny! - -------------- Original message -------------- > Marianne asked the question "Where's Cheney?" > Perhaps, before the orgy of press conferences ensued, he was piloting the barge > that rammed the levee in NOLA. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:06:36 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Cheney njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Davis" > Marianne asked the question "Where's Cheney?" > Perhaps, before the orgy of press conferences ensued, he was piloting the > barge that rammed the levee in NOLA. > Maybe this is the answer to the 'Where's Cheney?' question. He was probably visiting his old pals. Mark E. in Seattle Sept. 1, 2005, 8:30PM AROUND THE REGION CONSTRUCTION Halliburton hired for storm cleanup The Navy has hired Houston-based Halliburton Co. to restore electric power, repair roofs and remove debris at three naval facilities in Mississippi damaged by Hurricane Katrina. Halliburton subsidiary KBR will also perform damage assessments at other naval installations in New Orleans as soon as it is safe to do so. KBR was assigned the work under a "construction capabilities" contract awarded in 2004 after a competitive bidding process. The company is not involved in the Army Corps of Engineers' effort to repair New Orleans' levees. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:07:46 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Cheney njc This is from the Houston Chronicle, btw. > > Sept. 1, 2005, 8:30PM > > AROUND THE REGION > > > CONSTRUCTION > Halliburton hired for storm cleanup > The Navy has hired Houston-based Halliburton Co. to restore electric > power, repair roofs and remove debris at three naval facilities in > Mississippi damaged by Hurricane Katrina. > > Halliburton subsidiary KBR will also perform damage assessments at other > naval installations in New Orleans as soon as it is safe to do so. > > KBR was assigned the work under a "construction capabilities" contract > awarded in 2004 after a competitive bidding process. The company is not > involved in the Army Corps of Engineers' effort to repair New Orleans' > levees. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 12:19:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Normajean Garza Subject: digest style Dear web host/hostess, Is there any way I can receive my Joni list message E-mails individually? I can't get used to the digest format. I am forty-eight years old and I fell in love with her music and lyrics since I was just a kid when I was on a merry-go-round at the Hemisfair '68 World Fair. Judy Collins was singing Joni's song over the carnival loud speakers and my Dad bought me the 45 record and learned it was Joni Mitchell . By the time "Blue" came around, I was 15 and since then she has been my inspiration, especially when I felt/feel hopeless and desperate or ecstatic with wonderment in nature, living life in the moment, just as when I was just a little child looking out my window or catching grasshoppers on the lush green grass in my backyard. Joni has been the vehicle to much of my healing and happiness. From there instead of curling into a fetal position of despair, her music moves me turn to God when either dark or creamy white clouds are in the skies and in my soul, because as Leon Russell sings it out get-down style that I am also one of those who lives life on this shattered planet as a "stranger in a strange land," while these short sighted criminal politicians and legal charlatans keep paving and destroying sacred land and lives. I can't stand it anymore and these are times I need Joni the most and then I go pray to Jesus to ask Our Father to fill and flood the world with the Holy Spirit so that Joni and I can see and feel the healing and the changing of the greedy guards. I have so very much in me to share about my love, and respect and even a little heartbreaks I have for Joni in my life's experiences. I just can't get accustomed to this format style. Pax et Bonum, Normajean Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:37:54 +0100 From: "JEFF HANKINS" Subject: Celebrating Early Joni Hello jmdl: for many years, I've been dipping in to these archives every few weeks to see what's the latest buzz. I'm really too lazy to sustain anything like a regular correspondence, so I'm full of admiration for all of you who discuss with such cheerful diligence the body of work of this wonderful artist we find so inspiring. Still, recently I've felt a need to add my small voice to thoughts which do occasionally surface, particularly regarding Joni's 'early period'. Like many of you, I suspect, I'm quietly obsessed - and tantalized - by those unreleased songs, and a couple of things come to mind which I'll itemize: 1.. As far back as July 1991 (see 'JM Comes in from the Cold' CD Review Interview in The Library) Joni was talking about a box set which might include e.g. alternative Mingus takes never used on disc; trad. folk songs (like some of the things on the 'Lets Sing out' tapes, one presumes ) and outtakes like 'Jeremy' (how we long to hear that one at last!). This is, after all what we've all been waiting for. My question is this. Could not a healthy fan base bring an influence to bear that this apparently shelved project should now see the light of day? Somehow. After all, JM herself appealed for that same fanbase's support when she was promoting 'The Beginnings of Survival'. Doesn't it work the other way? That somehow we can say to her: look, thanks for all the compilations, but please, no more: this is what we want, what we really really want, the 'box set' of rarities - Jeremy and Poor Sad Baby and Cara's Castle et al. How do we make that voice heard? 2.. I believe it's fairly well documented that Joel Bernstein is the real archivist of the coffee-house tapes of those early years. I've often dreamt of raiding his home in my British robber outfit (striped shirt, Lone Ranger eyemask, 'swag' bag on my back) to bring home the prized loot - only joking, Joel, if you're reading: I don't think that would be at all ethical. Still, if anyone has inroads into Mr Bernstein's confidence, and into his ear, heart and mind, perhaps they can exert an influence for the release of these recordings, before we get too old to enjoy them. (I believe Wally B got to know him, and heard some of those recording there which we have yet to hear. He well deserved that privilege, I don't begrudge it!) 3.. .Why aren't those early songs more celebrated? Why don't we fly them high - OK sure they don't have the loose warmth of Blue, or the sophistication of Summer Lawns, or the probing maturity of Turbulent Indigo, but we all appreciate, I'm sure, that there's a lot more to them than naove juvenilia. Though romance-based more often than not, there's more substance to the lyric of pre-1968 songs than most of Wild Things.., and such engaging intricacy to many of the melodic, chordal and lyrical structures. So. doesn't it seem daft that only one cover has ever been recorded of the exquisite 'Eastern Rain'? That 'A Melody in your Name' remains unknown to most of the tune-humming world? If jmdl ever records another tribute tape, why doesn't it tackle only unreleased songs? Here's a confession: I bought 'The Music of Joni Mitchell' songbook early in 1971, and started going out with a girl who could play the piano - partly at least because she could perhaps work out the music for ' Moon in the Mirror' , ' Strawflower Me' etc - all that excitingly unfamiliar stuff from that book. (she found the musical notation in the book unworkable - and thankfully the relationship found other things to sustain it). Meanwhile, I' d try and pick through 'Who has seen the Wind?' on the guitar, using the standard-tuning chords the book suggests. The fact was: those songs intrigued - and still do. It's just bonkers that all of Dylan's output from cradle onwards is (more or less) freely available, record producers eventually realizing the sense of releasing the 'official bootleg' versions etc - when, relatively, so little of Joni's early live canon is available! Frustrating or wot? Finally, I think someone was talking about demo-tapes recently. How's this for tantalizing?: in my effort to turn every stone, I struck up a brief correspondence a coupla years back with one half of the Foggy Dew-O, an English folkie duo (geddit?) who, you'll remember, recorded (still the only cover of it, as I told him - he didn't know this) 'Born to Take the Highway' . He recounted hearing the song on a demo tape of about a dozen songs, distributed by Essex Music here in the UK, around the time, I suspect, Joni did that brief tour supporting the Incredible String Band for Joe Boyd. Anyway - 'I think I might still have that tape' he said.' I'll send it ' (Huge excitement) . After months of searching, no, it could not be found. Huge sadness. Enough from me now, till a few years more? But I'd be interested to see some responses to these thoughts! Jeff Hankins Wales ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 20:08:17 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net (vince) Subject: Re: Cheney njc that is news I can use and thanks to you sharing it I have been posting that all over the internet, thank you - -- http://www.southsiders.net - -------------- Original message -------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ruth Davis" > > > > Marianne asked the question "Where's Cheney?" > > Perhaps, before the orgy of press conferences ensued, he was piloting the > > barge that rammed the levee in NOLA. > > > > Maybe this is the answer to the 'Where's Cheney?' question. He was probably > visiting his old pals. > > Mark E. in Seattle > > Sept. 1, 2005, 8:30PM > > AROUND THE REGION > > > CONSTRUCTION > Halliburton hired for storm cleanup > The Navy has hired Houston-based Halliburton Co. to restore electric power, > repair roofs and remove debris at three naval facilities in Mississippi > damaged by Hurricane Katrina. > > Halliburton subsidiary KBR will also perform damage assessments at other > naval installations in New Orleans as soon as it is safe to do so. > > KBR was assigned the work under a "construction capabilities" contract > awarded in 2004 after a competitive bidding process. The company is not > involved in the Army Corps of Engineers' effort to repair New Orleans' > levees. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:17:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Out Of Joni Joni, you gave me the breath of hope And despair. Takes a good while of sinking, But you're always there. The moon has not shown it's face. No stars are about to colide. The hope and despair are against you, so your Joni is always denied. And you're nearly that age when you're sinking, And it's just about your bitter end, And the least you could do is say "Joni". But you fight, you're too busy, escape. It's your root that is always demanding, Send, you've sent a thousand posts a day. In her lane she's still hanging her shirts off, And sinking, by the way, oh by the way. And you wonder how she ever got that dirty, And you want to wash her face and make her feel better. With the moon hunting the clocks, You sit down and write a letter. "Dear Joni, whoever you are..." But then your pen falls to the floor like flock of stars. Joni won't help you out this time, old man. Joni is busy reflecting again. Go and buy the new album, Be the new one what may, For your way out of Joni Is the hell far away! Nuriel - --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:34:08 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: NJC The Bree Fan Club he he heheheh Hi Suze! : -) >Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:09:39 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club Well, let me be the first to say that I don't like Bree. Her political views are skewed. I loathe her creamy chocolates, especially those named for the state that brought us four more years of 'his shrubbery'. Oh, and as far as sarcasm is concerned, I hate that as no one ever gets it. Suze< _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:47:30 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Ms. Patty Parlette, njc Help me out here guys. . Precious Patty Parlette. . . . . . Precious Patty Parlette pontifies . . . . . Precious Patty Parlette promotes. . . on this list brainstorming here >Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 00:24:39 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, peace train sounding LOUDER I wrote this post (pasted below) this morning (Monday), and sent it, but it did not appear on the digest I just received. Don't know what's up with that, but I put so much time and heart into it that I am going to re-send it. If it appears twice, forgive me. The main thing I want y'all to see are Joan Baez and Steve Earle's videos from Camp Casey. They are awesome! - - ------------------------------------------------------- From the powerful combination of seeing Crosby Stills and Nash on August 8th, and with Cindy Sheehan's sparking the peace movement back to life (she holds out a flashlight and she shines it in, and she begs us to help her to fix it again), I find myself terribly pumped up these days. And now, with the unspeakable horrors on the Gulf Coast.......my head is spinning around. (NPIMH: Graham Nash lyrics, a little twisted: "I am a simple woman, And I sing a simple song Never felt so much inspir'd, And never hurt so bad At the same time...") If you need some inspiration and hope during this horrible chapter in our history, you can "be" at, and capture the spirit of, Camp Casey here: http://www.truthout.org/cindy.shtml On the right side of your screen you will find "Video Reports". You can scroll down and see some great video clips....I haven't had to time to view them all, but the ones I did see and hear have given me hope and inspiration. Particularly: Joan Baez singing "Where Have All the Flowers Gone", and Steve Earle's "The Revolution Starts Now". Joan Baez's interview is great too....I am going to paraphrase quickly here and probably badly, but she talks about a giant wall of deception, almost impenetrable, until Mike Moore put some cracks in it, and then Cindy, with her tears, finally starts to really bring it down (....Just like Jericho I said "Let these walls come tumbling down" I said it like I finally found the way To keep the good feelings alive I said it like it was something to strive for...) As Emiliano reminded us: it's time to Come Together. Right now! Cindy is taking the spirit of Camp Casey on the road, and here is the map: http://www.bringthemhomenowtour.org/article.php?list=type&type=7 It cheers me to see this voyage of peace charted out visually. You can click on "Full Tour Schedule" for further information. (..."Get your bags together, go bring your good friends too Cause it's getting nearer, it soon will be with you...") Copied from that website: "On August 31st, the last day of the encampment, the Bring Them Home Now Tour will launch three buses from Crawford, Texas, each carrying military and Gold Star families, veterans of the Iraq War and veterans of previous wars. These buses will travel different routes across the country, converging in Washington, DC on September 21, for the United for Peace and Justice Mobilization September 24th-26th." Lori and Sherelle in DC? Marianne in Rochester? Smurf & Company in Boston? "And you know..." And JONI!! Where are YOU now? Are you in some hotel room? Come out, come out, wherever you are! Interrupt our sorrow....sing yours again, for there is no joy in New Orleans or Iraq. Please put down your paintbrush. We need you now! Give us the mother of all encores. Please? You don't even have to sing...just speak, just show your face. You know two Joans are better than one! I don't know which bus, if any, Cindy is actually on, but I plan to go to New Haven to meet the Northern Tour bus. I also don't know if this will the great BIG DEAL I hope it will be, or if it will get much media attention. Time will tell, but ya gotta believe! Okay, well it is Labor Day here in the U.S., and I can't help but think of the labor of love that Paz and Mikey and the rest of the family are about to undertake as they head back to the human disaster zone (the "serious shit."). Vaya con Dios y la JMDL, Senor Paz! Be safe and do the good work that you always do. Loving, peaceful, hopeful and comforting wishes to all, Patti P. (now afflicted w/ both CSNOCD *and* JMOCD!) NPIMH: (playing a bit w/ Graham's lyrics once again) Though your brother's bound and gagged And they've chained him to a chair Won't you please come to Camp Casey Just to sing In a land that's known as freedom How can such a thing be fair Won't you please come to Camp Casey For the help that we can bring We can change the world Re-arrange the world It's dying ... to get better Politicians sit yourself down There's nothing for you here Won't you please come to Camp Casey For a ride Don't ask George to help you 'Cause he'll turn the other ear Won't you please come to Camp Casey Or else join the other side We can change the world Re-arrange the world It's dying ... if you believe in justice It's dying ... and if you believe in freedom It's dying ... let a man live his own life It's dying ... rules and regulations, who needs them Open up the door Somehow people must be free I hope the day comes soon Won't you please come to Camp Casey Show your face AND JUST FOR YOU, JONI: From the bottom of the ocean To the mattala of the moon Won't you please come to Camp Casey No one else can take your place!!! _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:26:05 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: new orleans, njc I saw a black woman on the news talking about her experience in the Astrodome, or the Convention Center ( I cannot remember ) She is an evacuee. . She told the reporter that her usual job was working as a caregiver in a nursing home. She spoke so sweetly. . the interviewer asked, "What have you been doing in the shelter?" She said "caring for older people here who need help when eating. . . helping them go to the bathroom." This is what she was up to in her homeless condition. That inspired me. . she spokle so beauitifully and so simply. . It is stories like these . . and all of it and oh, the stories about the animals reallly get to me. . life in general. . the beauty the suffering there's a storm inside of me these days Mar _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:26:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Ms. Patty Parlette, njc Em adds Precious Patty Parlette percolates. . . - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Help me out here guys. . > > Precious Patty Parlette. . . . . . > > > Precious Patty Parlette pontifies . . . . . > > Precious Patty Parlette promotes. . . > > > > on this list > > brainstorming here > > >Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 00:24:39 +0000 > From: "Patti Parlette" > Subject: njc, peace train sounding LOUDER > > I wrote this post (pasted below) this morning (Monday), and sent it, > but it > did not appear on the digest I just received. Don't know what's up > with > that, but I put so much time and heart into it that I am going to > re-send > it. If it appears twice, forgive me. The main thing I want y'all to > see > are Joan Baez and Steve Earle's videos from Camp Casey. They are > awesome! > > - ------------------------------------------------------- > > From the powerful combination of seeing Crosby Stills and Nash on > August > 8th, and with Cindy Sheehan's sparking the peace movement back to > life (she > holds out a flashlight and she shines it in, and she begs us to help > her to > fix it again), I find myself terribly pumped up these days. And now, > with > the unspeakable horrors on the Gulf Coast.......my head is spinning > around. > > (NPIMH: Graham Nash lyrics, a little twisted: > "I am a simple woman, > And I sing a simple song > Never felt so much inspir'd, > And never hurt so bad > At the same time...") > > If you need some inspiration and hope during this horrible chapter in > our > history, you can "be" at, and capture the spirit of, Camp Casey here: > > http://www.truthout.org/cindy.shtml > > On the right side of your screen you will find "Video Reports". You > can > scroll down and see some great video clips....I haven't had to time > to view > them all, but the ones I did see and hear have given me hope and > inspiration. Particularly: Joan Baez singing "Where Have All the > Flowers > Gone", and Steve Earle's "The Revolution Starts Now". Joan Baez's > interview > is great too....I am going to paraphrase quickly here and probably > badly, > but she talks about a giant wall of deception, almost impenetrable, > until > Mike Moore put some cracks in it, and then Cindy, with her tears, > finally > starts to really bring it down (....Just like Jericho I said > "Let these walls come tumbling down" > I said it like I finally found the way > To keep the good feelings alive > I said it like it was something to strive for...) > > As Emiliano reminded us: it's time to Come Together. Right now! > > Cindy is taking the spirit of Camp Casey on the road, and here is the > map: > > http://www.bringthemhomenowtour.org/article.php?list=type&type=7 > > It cheers me to see this voyage of peace charted out visually. You > can > click on "Full Tour Schedule" for further information. (..."Get your > bags > together, go bring your good friends too > Cause it's getting nearer, it soon will be with you...") > > Copied from that website: > > "On August 31st, the last day of the encampment, the Bring Them Home > Now > Tour will launch three buses from Crawford, Texas, each carrying > military > and Gold Star families, veterans of the Iraq War and veterans of > previous > wars. These buses will travel different routes across the country, > converging in Washington, DC on September 21, for the United for > Peace and > Justice Mobilization September 24th-26th." > > Lori and Sherelle in DC? Marianne in Rochester? Smurf & Company in > Boston? > "And you know..." And JONI!! Where are YOU now? Are you in some > hotel > room? Come out, come out, wherever you are! Interrupt our > sorrow....sing > yours again, for there is no joy in New Orleans or Iraq. Please put > down > your paintbrush. We need you now! Give us the mother of all > encores. > Please? You don't even have to sing...just speak, just show your > face. You > know two Joans are better than one! > > I don't know which bus, if any, Cindy is actually on, but I plan to > go to > New Haven to meet the Northern Tour bus. I also don't know if this > will the > great BIG DEAL I hope it will be, or if it will get much media > attention. > Time will tell, but ya gotta believe! > > Okay, well it is Labor Day here in the U.S., and I can't help but > think of > the labor of love that Paz and Mikey and the rest of the family are > about to > undertake as they head back to the human disaster zone (the "serious > shit."). Vaya con Dios y la JMDL, Senor Paz! Be safe and do the > good work > that you always do. > > Loving, peaceful, hopeful and comforting wishes to all, > > Patti P. (now afflicted w/ both CSNOCD *and* JMOCD!) > > NPIMH: > > (playing a bit w/ Graham's lyrics once again) > > Though your brother's bound and gagged > And they've chained him to a chair > Won't you please come to Camp Casey > Just to sing > > In a land that's known as freedom > How can such a thing be fair > Won't you please come to Camp Casey > For the help that we can bring > > We can change the world > Re-arrange the world > It's dying ... to get better > > Politicians sit yourself down > There's nothing for you here > Won't you please come to Camp Casey > For a ride > > Don't ask George to help you > 'Cause he'll turn the other ear > Won't you please come to Camp Casey > Or else join the other side > > We can change the world > Re-arrange the world > It's dying ... if you believe in justice > It's dying ... and if you believe in freedom > It's dying ... let a man live his own life > It's dying ... rules and regulations, who needs them > Open up the door > > Somehow people must be free > I hope the day comes soon > Won't you please come to Camp Casey > Show your face > > AND JUST FOR YOU, JONI: > > From the bottom of the ocean > To the mattala of the moon > Won't you please come to Camp Casey > No one else can take your place!!! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:26:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Celebrating Early Joni Good question, Jeff - and unfortunately one lacking a good answer. In later interviews Joni talks about Hits & Misses as her boxset, so I don't think she understands what we are jonesing for. By the same token, even if we were to put together some petition of JMDLer's, it would be a pitifully small number and certainly not one to have any influence. I've tried to influence such a project - I sent Henning Olsen (the Danish guitarist who was half on the long-defunct "Big Yellow Taxi" Joni Tribute group) a copy of the unrecorded/unreleased songs, and he was so excited about them he was going to record them with a new singer, but that never materialized. Another fellow in the USA was going to do the same thing, using that Music of Joni Mitchell songbook and getting lead sheets from the ASCAP library. Nothing's come of that but maybe someday it will. After months of searching, no, it could not be found. Huge sadness.> Aarggghhh - don't you hate that? Well, at least we have THEIR cover of Born To Take the Highway: http://s49.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0C93V2Z2QANOU0XFAYJ3ATGJBJ And hey, if you want the original vinyl, you can go get it: http://cgi.ebay.com/FOGGY-DEW-O-Born-To-Take-The-Highway-rock-pop_W0QQitemZ4728444594QQcategoryZ306QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Like you & lots of others here, I'm nutty about these early songs. Hopefully one day we'll be as lucky as all the Dylan fans who are now getting tons of great stuff! Bob NP: Neil Young, "Hangin' On A Limb" Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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