From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #344 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 6 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 344 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: short editorial NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: blackbird [Smurf ] Jonifest in France and more, njc now ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Dubya finally gets it right, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: NJC/Rehnquist -- Canada will be the next United States? [Lori Fye ] Kenye West(NJC) ["Mike and Alice Hicks" ] bush blame on the list NJC [mags h ] (NJC) Falluja Floods the Superdome [Lori Fye ] Re: NJC/Rehnquist -- Canada will be the next United States? [Catherine Mc] RE: NJC could it be? more flooding tsunami ["Kay Ashley" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 16:12:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: short editorial NJC And let us not forget that while N.O. was vulnerable to the natural disaster that just struck, the entire country is vulnerable to the economic disaster that could happen. We've just seen the huge increase in the price of fuel, this will obviously be followed by a sharp increas in the price of everything that has to be trucked, which is, um, everything. Americans are already badly in debt, and a sharp price increase will be tough for a lot of families, already pushed to the max, to handle. If China (who is a prime lender to us in our time of record debt) changes the valuation of the Yuan to the Dollar it will compound matters worse. And just as Bush was apathetic to the citizens of the Gulf Coast, he's fully prepared to let all of us slide down the slope of recession and economic depression without a care - he's set for life and so are all of all of his cronies, thanks to his tax cuts and redistribution of incomes,so screw us. He took a record budget surplus and turned it into a record deficit - the reverse Midas touch! If only the Democrats would wake up...strangely enough, the Republicans (like the guy who wrote this article) are the ones who are expressing the outrage. Bob NP: Guess Who, "These Eyes" - --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 16:53:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: blackbird - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Wow, it's getting to be like a family reunion around > here lately, what with all these long-silent types > chiming in again. Cool! Hi, Bob! Remember me? I used to post a lot. I'm Bob "I Did That" Smurfy. And hi to Bob Sart, too! Welcome back. We're really Bob, Bob, Bobbin' along now! Regarding Lennon's advice to Joni, there is an essay at JoniMitchell.com about the song "Impossible Dreamer," which is supposed to be about Lennon. The author, Frank H. Jump, ends the short essay with the following: "During a TV interview, Joni shared a story with the audience about a conversation she once had with John Lennon about her frustration with the record industry and its preoccupation with record sales. She was told by them that she needed a hit. Lennon replied, and I'm paraphrasing Joni's comic impersonation, "Oh, why don't you just add some fiddles. They love fiddles." No fiddles on this tune, but there's certainly a drum." So, according to this source, if Lennon told Joni to "put some fiddles in it" that advice was given in the context of pleasing her record company or record buyers -- whoever "they" is in the above paraphrased quotation. It was not suggested as a way to improve her music. The whole essay is at: << http://www.jonimitchell.com/EssayDreamer.html >> - --Smurf ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 20:03:25 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Jonifest in France and more, njc now John, I hate it when the fact checkers get a hold of my posts, so I apologize in advance. 1. As far as I know, Wally Breese had cancer. Wally said that repeatedly, then Leslie Mixon told me that in New Orleans. 2. There were at least 4 planes on Sept 9, 2001. It took 2 jumbo jets to bring down both towers, and one each at the Penatgon and the field in Pennsylvannia. There was a rumor of a 5th (twarted) attempt but I don't know if it was false or just suppressed by the intellegence community. Jim Covington, KY PS, Mitchell has two l's at the end, but you knew that. John said, in part, >------------------------------ In May 2000, I was present at Pazfest in New Orleans. Wally Breese, the founder of JoniMitchel Dot Com, had just died of AIDS. To thank and commemorate him, we lit candles before the performances started. Claudia stood next to me and put her hand on my shoulder. She did not know what that meant to me at the time. In 2001, on September 9, I had just returned from Jonifest in Topsfield when three planes caused a worldwide shock. I wrote about the conflicting feelings on this list. The warmth at the fest, the heat in the street. Where is Patrick? How is Kate? Again. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 20:07:53 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Beth Patterson's ok, was Celebrities in Katrina, njc On littlebluemen.com, Beth Patterson made an entry on Sept 2. Beth said, >A Message from Beth and Ron - ---------------------------- Hey, everybody...I just wanted to thank you all for your messages, calls, thoughts and prayers. Ron and I evacuated in an extreme hurry at about 3 AM on Sunday, and we are high and dry in Lafayete, LA. We are trying not to freak out, as we don't know the situation with our home, our studio, and many of our friends, since all lines of comunication are down right now out there. But we have good food and clean clothes, so we are luckier than most. I can't change my schedule online right now, but I guess I don't need to tell you that my New Orleans gigs are off. I can't send an e-newsletter right now, but I will keep you guys posted on everything as soon as I can. My thanks to you all for your support... Love, Beth> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:07:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: These people are not from this planet -- njc This -- cut and pasted from the Drudge Report -- is what Barbara Bush the Elder said today at the Huston Astrodome: Barbara Bush: 'So many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this - --this is working very well for them'... Hear it for yourself here: http://www.drudgereport.com/bb.mp3 - --Smurf ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:09:39 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club Well, let me be the first to say that I don't like Bree. Her political views are skewed. I loathe her creamy chocolates, especially those named for the state that brought us four more years of 'his shrubbery'. Oh, and as far as sarcasm is concerned, I hate that as no one ever gets it. Suze - -- CoreComm Webmail. http://home.core.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 20:18:48 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Dubya finally gets it right, njc Okay, after slamming President Bush earlier this week, I have to give him equal time when he gets it right. He was back in Mississsippi and Louisianna again today. The nightly news had great footage of our President visiting with a roomful of actual displaced citizens. More to the point, the President was hugging and kissing black mothers and babies. So Presidnt Bush and Karl Rove get one point today. Lord knows they has some fence mending to do. (Levee mending?) Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 00:24:39 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, peace train sounding LOUDER I wrote this post (pasted below) this morning (Monday), and sent it, but it did not appear on the digest I just received. Don't know what's up with that, but I put so much time and heart into it that I am going to re-send it. If it appears twice, forgive me. The main thing I want y'all to see are Joan Baez and Steve Earle's videos from Camp Casey. They are awesome! - ------------------------------------------------------- From the powerful combination of seeing Crosby Stills and Nash on August 8th, and with Cindy Sheehan's sparking the peace movement back to life (she holds out a flashlight and she shines it in, and she begs us to help her to fix it again), I find myself terribly pumped up these days. And now, with the unspeakable horrors on the Gulf Coast.......my head is spinning around. (NPIMH: Graham Nash lyrics, a little twisted: "I am a simple woman, And I sing a simple song Never felt so much inspir'd, And never hurt so bad At the same time...") If you need some inspiration and hope during this horrible chapter in our history, you can "be" at, and capture the spirit of, Camp Casey here: http://www.truthout.org/cindy.shtml On the right side of your screen you will find "Video Reports". You can scroll down and see some great video clips....I haven't had to time to view them all, but the ones I did see and hear have given me hope and inspiration. Particularly: Joan Baez singing "Where Have All the Flowers Gone", and Steve Earle's "The Revolution Starts Now". Joan Baez's interview is great too....I am going to paraphrase quickly here and probably badly, but she talks about a giant wall of deception, almost impenetrable, until Mike Moore put some cracks in it, and then Cindy, with her tears, finally starts to really bring it down (....Just like Jericho I said "Let these walls come tumbling down" I said it like I finally found the way To keep the good feelings alive I said it like it was something to strive for...) As Emiliano reminded us: it's time to Come Together. Right now! Cindy is taking the spirit of Camp Casey on the road, and here is the map: http://www.bringthemhomenowtour.org/article.php?list=type&type=7 It cheers me to see this voyage of peace charted out visually. You can click on "Full Tour Schedule" for further information. (..."Get your bags together, go bring your good friends too Cause it's getting nearer, it soon will be with you...") Copied from that website: "On August 31st, the last day of the encampment, the Bring Them Home Now Tour will launch three buses from Crawford, Texas, each carrying military and Gold Star families, veterans of the Iraq War and veterans of previous wars. These buses will travel different routes across the country, converging in Washington, DC on September 21, for the United for Peace and Justice Mobilization September 24th-26th." Lori and Sherelle in DC? Marianne in Rochester? Smurf & Company in Boston? "And you know..." And JONI!! Where are YOU now? Are you in some hotel room? Come out, come out, wherever you are! Interrupt our sorrow....sing yours again, for there is no joy in New Orleans or Iraq. Please put down your paintbrush. We need you now! Give us the mother of all encores. Please? You don't even have to sing...just speak, just show your face. You know two Joans are better than one! I don't know which bus, if any, Cindy is actually on, but I plan to go to New Haven to meet the Northern Tour bus. I also don't know if this will the great BIG DEAL I hope it will be, or if it will get much media attention. Time will tell, but ya gotta believe! Okay, well it is Labor Day here in the U.S., and I can't help but think of the labor of love that Paz and Mikey and the rest of the family are about to undertake as they head back to the human disaster zone (the "serious shit."). Vaya con Dios y la JMDL, Senor Paz! Be safe and do the good work that you always do. Loving, peaceful, hopeful and comforting wishes to all, Patti P. (now afflicted w/ both CSNOCD *and* JMOCD!) NPIMH: (playing a bit w/ Graham's lyrics once again) Though your brother's bound and gagged And they've chained him to a chair Won't you please come to Camp Casey Just to sing In a land that's known as freedom How can such a thing be fair Won't you please come to Camp Casey For the help that we can bring We can change the world Re-arrange the world It's dying ... to get better Politicians sit yourself down There's nothing for you here Won't you please come to Camp Casey For a ride Don't ask George to help you 'Cause he'll turn the other ear Won't you please come to Camp Casey Or else join the other side We can change the world Re-arrange the world It's dying ... if you believe in justice It's dying ... and if you believe in freedom It's dying ... let a man live his own life It's dying ... rules and regulations, who needs them Open up the door Somehow people must be free I hope the day comes soon Won't you please come to Camp Casey Show your face AND JUST FOR YOU, JONI: From the bottom of the ocean To the mattala of the moon Won't you please come to Camp Casey No one else can take your place!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:25:42 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: These people are not from this planet -- njc You know, I heard her speak on NPR tonight and I thought, she didn't say that, I misheard her, she couldn't have said that, I just think she said that because I think the Bush's are so out of touch... How sad that I heard her correctly - if Drudge has her saying that, that is confirmation enough of what I heard myself. Thanks for the fact check. Vince Smurf wrote: >This -- cut and pasted from the Drudge Report -- is >what Barbara Bush the Elder said today at the Huston >Astrodome: > >Barbara Bush: 'So many of the people in the arena >here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this >--this is working very well for them'... > >Hear it for yourself here: > >http://www.drudgereport.com/bb.mp3 > >--Smurf > > > > > >______________________________________________________ >Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 20:28:17 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Neil Young's "The Painter", sjc The other day, I was in the car listening to a syndicated singer-songwriter program called "The World Cafe". David Dye played "The Painter", then dropped in a pregnant pause. A slowly strummed, weird chord rose up, followed by a shorter pregnant pause. On the second chord, I recognized Joni's "California" from BLUE. I guess David Dye "hears" Joni in "The Painter" too. Jim Covington, KY, US np: "We work the black seam together." - - --- Smurf wrote: > The lyrics: > THE PAINTER > > The painter stood > before her work > She looked around every where > She saw the pictures and she painted them > She picked the colors from the air ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 02:50:51 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: New Orleans prophecy, njc Almost looks like a prophecy in this National Geographic article from october 2004 : http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0410/feature5/ And Bree I love you too for your courage to disagree with the jmdl majority. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 22:18:23 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: NJC/Rehnquist -- Canada will be the next United States? > You do know that Canada will be the next United States. Might as well get an > early start. MIke, I most certainly do not know that. Would our Canadian friends like to chime in on this subject? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 22:23:52 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: These people are not from this planet -- njc > Barbara Bush: 'So many of the people in the arena > here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this > --this is working very well for them'... Proof positive that what my friend Sharon in Philly said is so accurate: *> Yup. I've been saying it's just like AIDS during Reagan.* *> Don't lift a finger--all the right people are dying.* Lori, who would like to tell Barbara to do something else with her pearls ... and it would go so well with "Decadence Week," too! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:18:54 -0700 (PDT) From: cindy vickery Subject: Re: NJC The Shannon McNally Fan Club oh, Bob! i LOVE LOVE LOVE Shannon McNally. i'm sooooo jealous! i want a full report, okay? cindy Bob Muller wrote: Me & my buddy Don will be there this week for the BoDeans/Shannon McNally show - --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 22:19:55 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: (NJC) Political content > As for helll, I saw a photo of it, yes, in New Orleans last week at the > Convention Center. Somebody even wrote on a cardboard sign: "Bush come and > live in this Hell Shelter." He didn't go there though. He was probably too > afraid of the devil. I think they took all the mirrors in the White House down, for this very reason. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 22:32:07 -0400 From: "Mike and Alice Hicks" Subject: Kenye West(NJC) Let's all drop what we're doing and rally around Kenye. Let's stop shooting blacks and shoot whites to make it even. No matter who is looting let's just even the score. Mike NP: Lloyd Cole - Shelf Life ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:29:34 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: bush blame on the list NJC here's to freedom of expression, one of the constitutional rights n'est-ce pas? hey after all, monsieur bush is the president of the us of eh, so why wouldnt people "blame" him, hold him responsible, feel beside themselves with angst/worry/anger as a result of the way things have not been handled in N'awlins. just a few thoughts from a canadian who lived there, and gets it, bloodywellbigtime, from both sides, now. mags. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 22:46:05 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) Falluja Floods the Superdome From the subject column: On Thursday morning, the president told Diane Sawyer that he hoped "people don't play politics during this period of time." Presumably that means that the photos of him wistfully surveying the Katrina damage from Air Force One won't be sold to campaign donors as the equivalent 9/11 photos were. Maybe he'll even call off the right-wing attack machine so it won't Swift-boat the Katrina survivors who emerge to ask tough questions as it has Cindy Sheehan and those New Jersey widows who had the gall to demand a formal 9/11 inquiry. But a president who flew from Crawford to Washington in a heartbeat to intervene in the medical case of a single patient, Terri Schiavo, has no business lecturing anyone about playing politics with tragedy. Eventually we're going to have to examine the administration's behavior before, during and after this storm as closely as its history before, during and after 9/11. We're going to have to ask if troops and matiriel of all kinds could have arrived faster without the drain of national resources into a quagmire. We're going to have to ask why it took almost two days of people being without food, shelter and water for Mr. Bush to get back to Washington. If you'd like to read the entire column, it can be accessed here: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/opinion/04rich.html?n=Top%2fOpinion%2fEdito rials%20and%20Op%2dEd%2fOp%2dEd%2fColumnists If you don't have a NY Times account and don't feel like signing up for one, use mine. Login: lrfye Password: neworleans Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 22:49:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC/Rehnquist -- Canada will be the next United States? - --- Lori Fye wrote: > > You do know that Canada will be the next United > States. Might as well get > an > > early start. > > MIke, I most certainly do not know that. > > Would our Canadian friends like to chime in on this > subject? > > Lori > Mike, do you mean that we will be taken over by the US, or that we are turning into another US? It's possible that we will be taken over by the US. After all, we have the Alberta oil sands, and a lot of fresh water. I'm sure it would be a relatively simple thing to convince those that count that we have Weapons of Mass Destruction. They could use the South Park song, "Blame Canada" as a rallying cry and resurrect the Manifest Destiny. If they want to take us over, it will be over my dead body, of course, not that anyone would likely notice. I wonder what side the Brits would be on? Hmmmm. How to drive Tony Blair crazy! If it's a question of us becoming more and more like the US, in many ways that's true. We have McDonald's - our first Prime Minister was one, in fact and it's a very popular name whether it's Mc or Mac. On the other hand, Tim Horton's makes a damn good donut and they're infiltrating the US via Michigan. Donuts of Mass Destruction. How could something with absolutely no nutritional value taste so damn good? Time to build a wall, I guess (but Lori, you're always welcome, of course!) Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:37:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: RE: NJC could it be? more flooding tsunami Hey All, Em wrote: Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 07:58:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: NJC could it be? more flooding tsunami do you think that just within the last year something has profoundly changed that will be (from now on), causing more and more tsunami conditions all around? I mean we've been hearing about global warning and the possible effects for a long time - and yet just within this last year, the tsunami in thailand and thereabouts and now this storm with flood in the US Gulfcoast. I just wonder if this means this stuff is now going to be a yearly occurance *somewhere*, more often now. Or, is it just co-incidence? the two things don't seem related..and yet..could it be? - ---------------- I'm behind in my digests, so someone may have already responded to this... but since I'm a geology grad school dropout, I feel that I can provide some answers to Em's concerns. Last year's Asian tsunami and Hurricane Katrina are not related, though their consequences appear much the same. The tsunami was caused by a massive earthquake on the ocean floor, in which one continental plate was displaced several meters vertically in relation to another continental plate. That massive movement of the sea floor caused a massive displacement of ocean water. The walls of water that inundated the southeastern asian coastlines were in essence gigantic versions of the ripples that you can create in water by dropping a stone. Katrina's devastation is due to tremendous rainfall combined with massive winds, which literally push ocean water ashore. This is the "storm surge" that you hear about. When the storm surge happens to coincide with the natural high tide, that makes the damage even worse. In the case of New Orleans, its location below sea level means that flooding is going to be worse even in the absence of a levee break, not only because the city sits in a "bowl" which is difficult to drain, but also because the ground itself becomes so saturated and essentially merges with the ocean water underground in a zone called the "phreatic lens". So, the water table has risen because of the storm, which makes the flooding automatically worse than in other areas, like Mississippi. Obviously the levee breaks in N.O. have multiplied the effects of the storm. As far as this sort of thing happening more often: a tsunami like we saw last year is an exceedingly rare event. It's highly unlikely that another equally devastating tsunami would occur within the next 100 years. These are what geologists call "100-year events" or even "500-year events", meaning that on average, that's how often they occur. The famous eruption of Krakatoa during the late 19th century was the last time such a devastating tsunami occurred (in the same area as last year's tsunami, btw). It's likely that the next large tsunami would occur in the same area, or in the Pacific because of tectonic activity along the Aleutian islands or in the Japanese island arc. The tsunami alert system that was set up in the Pacific was done so in response to a tsunami caused by the 1964 Alaskan earthquake, if memory serves. As far as hurricanes go, we will be seeing more of them: more numerous hurricanes, more category 4 and 5 hurricanes, and we will see the hurricane season begin earlier in the year. There is a natural cyclicity to hurricane activity in the Atlantic, and some "authorities" use that to poo-poo the warnings of "global warming alarmists", but I believe that what we're seeing is a combination of both factors. There is indeed a natural hurricane cyclicity in the Atlantic, just as there is a natural cyclicity to El Nino events in the South Pacific, but these natural cyclicities are occuring against a background of global warming. Sea level is rising (polar ice caps melting) at a rate that cannot be explained by natural causes alone. Most importantly, it's key to realize that the oceans are the planet's heat "sinks", or heat reserves. You know how water holds heat longer than the ground -- well that same principle holds true on a planetary scale. As temperatures rise, that excess heat is mostly stored in the oceans. Tropical depressions (pre-hurricane-status storms), hurricanes and the asian monsoon season are all natural venting mechanisms for excess heat in the oceans. They are natural occurrences which are healthy for the planet long-term, despite their devastating effects to individual creatures in the short term. However, because of our proliferation of greenhouse gases -- which causes solar radiation to be trapped below the upper atmosphere -- the oceans are getting warmer, and at a faster rate than normal. Since nature seeks balance, this means that increased storm frequency and severity are the natural mechanisms by which the oceans will try to cool themselves down. Storms of Katrina's magnitude used to be considered 100-year events. But in the last 15 years we've seen a lot of those so-called 100-year storms. This is not due to the natural cyclicity of the Atlantic -- this is due to global warming. So, get ready for a wild ride, folks. A moment of Global Warming proselytizing: the relatively crude computer models of the 1970's that predicted global warming are being proven to have been correct. New supercomputers like the one the japanese have (the name is escaping me), dedicated solely to modeling the earth's climate, are confirming the early predictions, and in fact are predicting that global temperature may rise even more in the next century than originally predicted (up to 10 degrees celsius). Even if the rises are only half of what is being predicted, we are looking at global ecological changes within our lifetimes that are difficult for us to imagine. I hate to be a Debbie Downer (can I have a tritone, David Lahm?), but I fear that the events of the past 4 years are just the beginning skirmishes of devastating global changes. Forget imperialist wars over access to oil; I believe that, if I live a long life, I will live to see wars fought over potable water. And I'm obviously in favor of new energy technologies, but I fear that we are already past the point of no return, that we've already passed the tipping point. The time for action was 30 years ago, and we did pretty well there for a while, at least with car fuel efficiency, but Reagan began the Capitalism is King era which has effectivly reversed all that progress. What can people do to be safer? Don't live in coastal areas if you can help it. As time goes on, it's going to be more and more dangerous to live on the coasts, particularly the Atlantic coast of the American southeast and the Gulf of Mexico. Anyone who is interested in the global warming issue should check out these sites: http://www.heatisonline.org/ http://www.ipcc.ch/ OK, I'm off the soapbox now. My thoughts and prayers are with Michael Paz and family, as well as with David Brown, the former conductor of the New York Metro Mass Choir (some of you saw Patrick Leader and myself singing on Good Morning America with that choir), who recently moved back to New Orleans, his home town. He has lost everything, but he is safe. Back to lurkdom.... Kay Ashley np on my iPod: "night ride home" - --------------------------- Em wrote: Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 07:58:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: NJC could it be? more flooding tsunami do you think that just within the last year something has profoundly changed that will be (from now on), causing more and more tsunami conditions all around? I mean we've been hearing about global warning and the possible effects for a long time - and yet just within this last year, the tsunami in thailand and thereabouts and now this storm with flood in the US Gulfcoast. I just wonder if this means this stuff is now going to be a yearly occurance *somewhere*, more often now. Or, is it just co-incidence? the two things don't seem related..and yet..could it be? I'm just freaked out wondering "who's next" and will these things be coming with increasing frequency now. Trying to tell myself that the majority of disaster is because of New Orleans is in a "bowl" and that the bowl is below sea level..but that has no bearing on the destruction of, say, Gulfport. Makes me real nervous. Like the song says, "even god is uneasy". Em - ------------------------------ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.kayashley.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 22:13:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: RE: re: (NJC) - Political Content Holy Crap, folks! I'm back! Mia wrote: <<2001: FEMA designates a major hurricane hitting New Orleans as one of the three "likeliest, most catastrophic disasters facing this country.">> Anybody know what the other two are? Inquiring minds want to know, Mia - ------------ The other 2 are (1) a major terrorist attack and (2) a major earthquake in California. Not that FEMA can follow its own recommendations... I guess as a New Yorker, I must begrudgingly give Guiliani props b/c he was in the FEMA headquarters all the time, making sure that things that needed to happen, happened. Not a fan of Guiliana at all, but it sure seems that NO could have used someone like him... Kay - ------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 11:42:56 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: (NJC) - Political Content Holy Crap! The info coming in regarding our government's inept preparedness is overwhelming! Why were we shooting looters? And why is it okay to drop troops in harm's way in Iraq, but we can't do the same in our very own country? Watching the Ted Koppel interview of the FEMA Director was also deeply disturbing to me. It was the first time I had ever seen Koppel on the verge of losing his cool. From Richard's post: <> This sucks!! .... and where were the Democrats during these appointments?? ... where was the outcry?? -- COWARDS!! <<2001: FEMA designates a major hurricane hitting New Orleans as one of the three "likeliest, most catastrophic disasters facing this country.">> Anybody know what the other two are? Inquiring minds want to know, Mia ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.kayashley.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #344 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)