From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #343 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, September 5 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 343 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: God save the queers, njc [jrmco1@aol.com] From Kauai [] Update (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] (NJC) Real news from up close and personal ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: From Kauai [Nicola Larosa ] NJC/Rehnquist ["Mike and Alice Hicks" ] njc Roberts named to be Chief Justice [vince ] Re: God save the queers, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Political content [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: NJC White House phone number [LCStanley7@aol.com] blackbird [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Update (NJC) [Em ] cheney? njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #253 [StDoherty@aol.com] re: From Kauai (njc) ["Rosalie Kerr" ] Re: NJC White House phone number ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 51-60 of JM Covers [JLoehr4988@a] Re: Update (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Fw: Killed by Contempt - op-ed piece from 9/5/05 NY Times njc ["Mark Scot] njc race bias in the relief efforts [vince ] njc Kanye West, my new hero [vince ] Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club [Bob Muller ] Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club [Gary Z ] Re: njc Kanye West, my new hero [Bob Muller ] Re: njc race bias in the relief efforts [Catherine McKay ] NJC The Rolling Stones & Rap [Bob Muller ] short editorial NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: From Kauai (njc) ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: njc race bias in the relief efforts [Randy Remote ] Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club ["mack watson-bush" ] njc why Roberts must be defeated [vince ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:01:11 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: njc Bree: Yeah...and you can blame some of the tolerance down there on their inept mayor. Laura: The problem with drugs was/is huge. It takes more than one man or woman to deal with it. I would have preferred to see an increase in the national war on drugs rather than the rich man's war in Iraq. Me: If it were only as easy as ineptness... Laura is right... hard drug abuse is epidemic in every state of this country- in the small towns as much as the big cities... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 03:06:44 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: God save the queers, njc Come hell or high water... This from today's New York Times: In the midst of misery in New Orleans, there were lingering signs of a fading vivacity. About two dozen people gathered in the French Quarter for an annual Labor Day gay celebration, the Decadence Parade. Matt Menold, 23, a street musician wearing a sombrero and a guitar, explained: "It's New Orleans, man. We're going to celebrate." Amen! - -Julius - -----Original Message----- From: LCStanley7@aol.com To: guitarzan@direcpc.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:36:48 EDT Subject: God save the queers, njc Randy wrote: Seems to me, if God hates queers so much, why didn't She wait until they were IN the city to unleash the disaster. Could've wiped out 125,000 of those sinners all at once (if lightening bolts are too much trouble these days). Maybe She was saving them! Hi Randy, Alleluia!!! Great post Randy!!! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 20:41:16 -1000 From: Subject: From Kauai Ive been watching and listening to everything concerning the katrina hurricane and i am not suprised at all that some people on tthis list want to blame bush for every problem that involves anything to do with government. i wasnt expecting this recurring bias until the next presidential run. some of the posts in the last week are in my opinion absolute shibai . im stunned...how can you love joni but have so much hate in your heart.... i dont get it. maybe because i live on a small island..... and for the benefit of the free world please try and run micheal moore in the next presidential election...cynical and drunck sitting in some dark cafe..aloha dean ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:34:00 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Update (NJC) I think many of us knew you'd be givin much of it away... be safe on your journey home >There is a little group called the JMDL who has been sending donations to the Paz Family and we are so grateful and I know you will understand if I share that with people less fortunate than ourselves. I would like to give some to Jack as well as Rick who mixed and saved most of the Pazfest recording for me real good for free. It is probable that his home in Crown Point (outside the levee system down by Laffitte see the map) is gone.< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:39:54 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: (NJC) Real news from up close and personal Thanks for your story Lori. That inspired me to share mine. I've been in close contact with a family member of mine who lives in Texas, just outside of Galveston. Many refugees have landed there & she has mobilized a couple of her friends to help her help them. Thought I'd share her email with ya'll: Hi everyone, I wanted to let you know what I've been up to. Many of the people from Louisiana are displaced here in my area, they have no food, water, supplies...nothing. What some neighbors and I are doing is feeding them lunch and dinner when needed, trying to find companies to feed them, and trying to find them shelter. Many of them are staying in their cars because they have no money and no place to go. The shelters are full and I am harassing my city to find a place to put them. Last night we fed at least 80 people and tonight we'll feed more. Also there are apartments allowing some of these people to move in for $49 for this month, no deposit, my friends and I are reaching out to as many people as we can trying to help gather funds to set some of these families up. If there is anyway you can help it would be great, I knew I wanted to help but I didn't know where to start...all it took was a small effort and I found that there is so much I can do to help...even though I am only one person. If you were wondering how to help feel free to call me, also you can donate to the red cross and the salvation army. Thank you! Lizz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 08:24:22 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: NJC White House phone number hi >>>>>julius responded >>>> Please read this article from the Washington Post, Bree and anyone else >>>> who can't fathom why so many remained. Thank you.<<<< while it is perfectly obvious why so many remained behind, why is it relevant??? surely the fact that they are there & suffering is cause for compassion & action?? at a car crash scene, do paramedics determine whos to blame before responding, or a life guard tell someone they shouldnt have gone so deep if they couldnt swim properly................. do people now have to prove that the mess they are in is not their own fault / choice before anyone will help??? so, so many of lifes tragedies are the result of wrong decisions & choices - the appropriate response is & always will be to help regardless. ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:42:33 +0200 From: Nicola Larosa Subject: Re: From Kauai > Ive been watching and listening to everything concerning the katrina hurricane Will everyone please specify the NJC acronym (meaning No Joni Content) in the subject when that's actually the case? We subscribers to the onlyjoni version of the mailing list will be very grateful for that. Thank you. :-) - -- Nicola Larosa - nico@tekNico.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:23:33 -0400 From: "Mike and Alice Hicks" Subject: NJC/Rehnquist Lori, You do know that Canada will be the next United States. Might as well get an early start. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 08:21:36 -0400 From: vince Subject: njc Roberts named to be Chief Justice just now ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:36:08 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: God save the queers, njc Julius wrote: annual Labor Day gay celebration, the Decadence Parade. Matt Menold, 23, a street musician wearing a sombrero and a guitar, Just the bare necessities... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:43:33 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Political content Bree wrote: Did you see FahrenHype 9/11? So you believe in helll? Hi Bree, FahrenHype 9/11... that is what Bush has been doing in Iraq after the WTC came tumbling down. As for helll, I saw a photo of it, yes, in New Orleans last week at the Convention Center. Somebody even wrote on a cardboard sign: "Bush come and live in this Hell Shelter." He didn't go there though. He was probably too afraid of the devil. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:06:25 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC White House phone number Smurf wrote: My friend Bree and I are at opposite ends of the political spectrum, so I cannot defend her political views. I *can*, however, defend to the death her right to be sarcastic. I think people are not closely reading what she wrote. Hi Smurf, Had my microscope out reading Bree's posts... I love Bree's sarcasm; it fuels my own! I love Bree. I love to disagree with Bree politically. She's a good balance for this list, provides duality, both sides now. Somebody has to be that, or we'll all end up parroting each other (more than we already do) which can get boring and even worse, lead us to become complacent headed. Throw another log on the fire and keep us going Bree. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:08:51 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: blackbird Many many years ago, I figured out a passable version of Blackbird that I lived with until now for my personal playing purposes. However, for a while, I have had a 'realization' (from all of my Joni playing) that this song must have been played in open G.' In looking at a couple of internet tabs (I only began a very cursory lookup) of Blackbird, I noticed that those arrangements were very similar to mine (standard tuning). Today I sat down and began to transpose it into open G. From the 'colorations' , I am more inclined to believe that it is played in open G. Furthermore, all of the chord shapes used are those used by Joni - they can all pretty much be found in either Marcie or the Gallery. If anyone is interested, I would be happy to share my insights (perhaps one of you could tab it). Which leads me to another thought. One of the sites claims that this was purportedly written by Paul (circa 1968 ?) about a black girl ('bird') during the civil rights movement. However, the timing of this work (so few Paul solo guitar solos - does anyone have a proper tab for Yesterday, which also is obviously (to my ear) written in an alternate tuning ?) and of Joni's Marcie and Gallery suggests a connection of some sort to me - is it impossible that they met around that time and shared some chord shapes? Which direction such sharing may have gone I am not sure, but if I had to venture a guess it would be Joni to Paul. Of course, there is the possible Keith Richards connection to consider, too. Also, the title of this song - Black(crow) - rings a bell somewhere in my head :-) When did John tell Joni to put some fiddles on it, I wonder ? We know from the London Bridge song that Joni had been to London while still on the coffeehouse circuit, no ? Ah, I'm a nut. But we guitarists hear things. Is this a bad thing ? Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 07:18:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Update (NJC) - --- michael@thepazgroup.com wrote: > If you don't have his record please purchase a copy at > cdbaby.com/jackneilson. DONE! look forward to receiving it, sounds wonderful from the samples. Good to hear your update. :) Em NP "Sonny" Mary Black ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 10:28:21 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: cheney? njc Where is Cheney? _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:33:14 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #253 The recent postings about rap and Joni's use of the word rap brought this column to mind ... for those interested - check it out. An interesting perspective. The inevitable growth into our parents happens ... least we aren't saying "You can't tell the boys from the girls .... " _Click here: Rap focuses its beat on social ills -- timesunion.com_ (http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=390680&category=DIANECAM&BCCode=&n ewsdate=9/5/2005) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:37:39 -0500 From: "Rosalie Kerr" Subject: re: From Kauai (njc) I don't think hate is the right word, not in my case any way. Anger, dissapointment, fear, amazement at the complete lack of planning. Those words describe it better. This short video clip sums up why pretty well. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10121.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ready for kickoff? Sign up for Fox Fantasy Football powered by MSN. FREE to play! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:45:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: NJC White House phone number Another member of the Bree fan club here! One of the sweetest people on the JMDL. Our political disagreements are only that (and that goes for Kakki, too). Jerry LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Smurf wrote: > > My friend Bree and I are at opposite ends of the > political spectrum, so I cannot defend her political > views. I *can*, however, defend to the death her right to be sarcastic. I > think people are not closely > reading what she wrote. > > > > Hi Smurf, > > Had my microscope out reading Bree's posts... I love Bree's sarcasm; > it > fuels my own! I love Bree. I love to disagree with Bree politically. > She's a good balance for this list, provides duality, both sides now. > Somebody > has to be that, or we'll all end up parroting each other (more than we > already > do) which can get boring and even worse, lead us to become complacent > headed. Throw another log on the fire and keep us going Bree. > > Love, > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 10:55:06 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: cheney? njc last seen Saturday in the Rose Garden with Rove while W spoke Vince Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Where is Cheney? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:02:54 EDT From: JLoehr4988@aol.com Subject: Re: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 51-60 of JM Covers Hi all....I am done burning and ready to send out this interesting batch of joni covers to whom ever would like them next..please e-mail me off list... Regards, Judy (CT) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:24:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Update (NJC) - --- Em wrote: > --- michael@thepazgroup.com wrote: > > > If you don't have his record please purchase a > copy at > > cdbaby.com/jackneilson. > > DONE! > look forward to receiving it, sounds wonderful from > the samples. > Good to hear your update. > :) > Em > It is wonderful. I recommend it highly. Jack has an amazing voice. I'm so glad to hear he's safe and helping out. And Paz, anyone who knows you, knows that you'll be out there helping others too. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 10:16:26 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Fw: Killed by Contempt - op-ed piece from 9/5/05 NY Times njc "For 25 years the right has been denigrating the public sector, telling us that government is always the problem, not the solution. Why should we be surprised that when we needed a government solution, it wasn't forthcoming?" Killed by Contempt By PAUL KRUGMAN Each day since Katrina brings more evidence of the lethal ineptitude of federal officials. I'm not letting state and local officials off the hook, but federal officials had access to resources that could have made all the difference, but were never mobilized. Here's one of many examples: The Chicago Tribune reports that the U.S.S. Bataan, equipped with six operating rooms, hundreds of hospital beds and the ability to produce 100,000 gallons of fresh water a day, has been sitting off the Gulf Coast since last Monday - without patients. Experts say that the first 72 hours after a natural disaster are the crucial window during which prompt action can save many lives. Yet action after Katrina was anything but prompt. Newsweek reports that a "strange paralysis" set in among Bush administration officials, who debated lines of authority while thousands died. What caused that paralysis? President Bush certainly failed his test. After 9/11, all the country really needed from him was a speech. This time it needed action - and he didn't deliver. But the federal government's lethal ineptitude wasn't just a consequence of Mr. Bush's personal inadequacy; it was a consequence of ideological hostility to the very idea of using government to serve the public good. For 25 years the right has been denigrating the public sector, telling us that government is always the problem, not the solution. Why should we be surprised that when we needed a government solution, it wasn't forthcoming? Does anyone remember the fight over federalizing airport security? Even after 9/11, the administration and conservative members of Congress tried to keep airport security in the hands of private companies. They were more worried about adding federal employees than about closing a deadly hole in national security. Of course, the attempt to keep airport security private wasn't just about philosophy; it was also an attempt to protect private interests. But that's not really a contradiction. Ideological cynicism about government easily morphs into a readiness to treat government spending as a way to reward your friends. After all, if you don't believe government can do any good, why not? Which brings us to the Federal Emergency Management Agency. In my last column, I asked whether the Bush administration had destroyed FEMA's effectiveness. Now we know the answer. Several recent news analyses on FEMA's sorry state have attributed the agency's decline to its inclusion in the Department of Homeland Security, whose prime concern is terrorism, not natural disasters. But that supposed change in focus misses a crucial part of the story. For one thing, the undermining of FEMA began as soon as President Bush took office. Instead of choosing a professional with expertise in responses to disaster to head the agency, Mr. Bush appointed Joseph Allbaugh, a close political confidant. Mr. Allbaugh quickly began trying to scale back some of FEMA's preparedness programs. You might have expected the administration to reconsider its hostility to emergency preparedness after 9/11 - after all, emergency management is as important in the aftermath of a terrorist attack as it is following a natural disaster. As many people have noticed, the failed response to Katrina shows that we are less ready to cope with a terrorist attack today than we were four years ago. But the downgrading of FEMA continued, with the appointment of Michael Brown as Mr. Allbaugh's successor. Mr. Brown had no obvious qualifications, other than having been Mr. Allbaugh's college roommate. But Mr. Brown was made deputy director of FEMA; The Boston Herald reports that he was forced out of his previous job, overseeing horse shows. And when Mr. Allbaugh left, Mr. Brown became the agency's director. The raw cronyism of that appointment showed the contempt the administration felt for the agency; one can only imagine the effects on staff morale. That contempt, as I've said, reflects a general hostility to the role of government as a force for good. And Americans living along the Gulf Coast have now reaped the consequences of that hostility. The administration has always tried to treat 9/11 purely as a lesson about good versus evil. But disasters must be coped with, even if they aren't caused by evildoers. Now we have another deadly lesson in why we need an effective government, and why dedicated public servants deserve our respect. Will we listen? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 13:24:44 -0400 From: vince Subject: njc race bias in the relief efforts news story on racial bias in aid to the victims, followed by the August 30 editorial on Kanye West just before the relief show where Kanye West was censored news story on racial bias in aid for the victims GULF COAST CRISIS: RACIAL CONTROVERSY Critics say bias delayed relief to disaster area By William Neikirk and Mike Hughlett, Tribune staff reporters. Tribune senior correspondent William Neikirk reported from Washington and Mike Hughlett from Baton Rouge. Correspondent Cam Simpson contr Published September 3, 2005 BATON ROUGE, La. -- From the storm-created squalor of New Orleans to the polished halls of Congress, the ticklish issue of race erupted Friday in connection with the government's slow relief response for the victims of Hurricane Katrina. It arose because of riveting scenes showing thousands of mostly black victims suffering for days with little food, water or medicine while no one came to their rescue--images that will not go away quickly in the wake of the hurricane's mighty assault on New Orleans and the Gulf Coast. "You want to know why all those black people are stuck down there dying?" asked Yvette Brown, an African-American evacuee from New Orleans. "If they were white, they'd be gone. They'd be sending in an army of helicopters, jets and boats." Brown saw potential racial bias in the fact that thousands of people were trapped at the convention center for days, crying out for help. Some were elderly and sick, some were children in need of baby formula. In New Orleans, the city's mostly black, mostly poor 7th Ward was mired in hip-deep water and its residents tired, thirsty, hungry and angry. Race played a role, some said, and so did economics. "Every time there's a flood here, it always goes through the poor people," said Richard Boissiere, 60. But not all held the view that racism was involved. "I don't think it was racist," said Edith Thibodeaux, 40, of New Orleans' east side. "They were just trying to save the area for the tourists. It's about how much money they can make in this city. They don't care about us." Both Boissiere and Thibodeaux are black. At the River Center in downtown Baton Rouge, evacuees from New Orleans sat idly on cots and folding chairs. Lakeshia Evans, 29, who is black, said race did not play a factor in the rescue effort. She was brought to the state capital on Thursday from the Louisiana Superdome in New Orleans. "There were white people on their houses, too," she said. "A lot of people pull the racist card, but I think it [the storm and the conditions] affected everyone." In Washington, though, congressional leaders focused their criticism on the race and class issues raised by the vivid scenes of suffering. "We cannot allow it to be said that the difference between those who lived and died in this great storm and flood of 2005 was nothing more than poverty, age or skin color," Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, told reporters in Washington. He also had a message for President Bush, saying that "God cannot be pleased" at the relief delays. Illustrating plight African-American congressional leaders shied away from directly blaming racism for the slow evacuation. Instead, they said that because blacks trapped in the city without transportation are poor and powerless, they were more easily ignored. But they did not deny race was part of the picture. "People see class, and they also see race," Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), another Black Caucus member, said in an interview. "It [the conditions in New Orleans] just tended to dramatize the plight of a segment of the population that has been left out and behind." Suggestions that race might have been a factor in the relief response seemed to prompt the Bush administration to send out one of its top Cabinet officials, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, herself an African-American, to say that such allegations are not true. "That Americans would somehow, in a color-affected way, decide who to help and who not to help--I just don't believe it," she told reporters at the State Department. A native of Alabama, Rice said she would tour the devastated area on Sunday. Rice said of any racial implications: "I think everybody's very emotional. It's hard to watch pictures of any American going through this. And yes, the African-American community has obviously been very heavily affected." Project 21, an organization of black conservatives, took issue with statements by Congressional Black Caucus members that race contributed to the delays in relief. Project 21 said in a statement that such a claim amounted to "racially politicizing a natural catastrophe." And not all the evacuees in Baton Rouge saw race as a factor. "I just think they don't have enough boats and helicopters to rescue them," said evacuee Ore Butler. Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.) criticized the slow relief operations and said the federal government should have had the airlines move the victims to cities across the country. He said the victims should not be put in tent cities or in sports stadiums, but rather in hotel rooms. "Where are the hotels of America, the airlines?" he asked. But Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) took a more measured approach, saying in Chicago that while it was not a coincidence that so many blacks were left behind in New Orleans, it is not a conspiracy. "What's true in this country is what's true across the world, which is in the midst of natural disasters the poor and the vulnerable end up getting hit the hardest," he said. Emergency planning in the future must take into account people who can't afford a car or a plane ticket, he said. "If they had been white, middle-class Americans, they would have had the ability to push the right levers to make things happen quicker," Lewis said. Jean Selders, another evacuee in Baton Rouge, took issue with some commentators calling them refugees. "We're homeless," she said. "It makes us sound like we're from another country. We're from this country, born and raised here." Cummings and other Black Caucus members also took issue with calling the victims refugees. Cummings suggested that perhaps some displaced people could be housed in shuttered military bases. Bruce Gordon, president and chief executive of the NAACP, said he is going to the Gulf Coast states this weekend to speak with federal emergency officials, Red Cross officials and black community leaders "to make sure there is a more sensitive approach" in relocating victims. "When all is said and done, it's hard to avoid race in this situation," Gordon said in an interview. It is a matter of both race and economic class, he said. "The issue is sociological. It cannot be ignored. It cannot be denied. People have to be accountable for what happened." Blast from rapper Others had a harsher assessment. Rapper Kanye West, appearing on "A Concert for Hurricane Relief" simulcast Friday night from New York on NBC, MSNBC, CNBC and Pax, said America was set up "to help the poor, the black people, the less well-off as slow as possible." Comedian Mike Myers was paired with West for a 90-second segment that began with Myers speaking of Katrina's devastation. Then, to Myers' evident surprise, the Associated Press reported that West began a rant by saying, "I hate the way they portray us in the media. If you see a black family, it says they're looting. See a white family, it says they're looking for food." While allowing that "the Red Cross is doing everything they can," West--who delivered an emotional outburst at the American Music Awards after he was snubbed for an award--declared that government authorities are intentionally dragging their feet on aid to the Gulf Coast. After he stated, "George Bush doesn't care about black people. Please call--" the camera cut away to comedian Chris Tucker. ____________________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________________ The Trib editorial Kanye West's moment Published August 30, 2005 Hip-hop has a new king, one who dresses for success, raps about his mom and makes a plea against homophobia. Even those who have never paid attention to rap may want to pay attention to Chicago's Kanye West. This is his moment. West has been on the cover of Time magazine and appeared in a Pepsi commercial, symbols of his newfound status as a star slipping into the mainstream of popular culture. But those were sideshows to Tuesday's release of West's second CD, "Late Registration." The follow-up to last year's Grammy Award-winning "The College Dropout," the new work proves that West has successfully skirted music's dreaded sophomore slump. Some critics have hailed "Late Registration" as an instant classic that breaks new ground in hip-hop with its combination of meaningful lyrics and soaring music. Not bad for an artist credited with taking the gangsta out of rap and writing about real-life people and situations. Be warned, though: Some of the lyrics are explicit. "Here is someone who is rapping about things that many people consider uplifting, positive, informative, intelligent and interesting," said Craig Watkins, author of "Hip-Hop Matters: Politics, Pop Culture, and the Struggle for the Soul of a Movement." West raps about the diamond trade in Sierra Leone and the health-care system in America. In "Hey Mama," he raps an ode to his mother Donda West, an English professor. The first single, "Gold Digger," combines West's flat, mesmerizing voice with Jamie Foxx belting out the chorus like Ray Charles in his prime. Those who don't know West may be put off by his brashness. But as he gains mainstream popularity, he'll probably tone down his act, which won't be such a bad thing since he looks and sounds like a star in for the long haul. Hollywood surely will come calling. He already has made the move west to California. When it comes to social issues, the hope is that West will remain true to his values. In a recent interview with MTV, he took a stand against rap's penchant for gay-bashing. West said people called him a "mama's boy" and he became homophobic while growing up. But when he learned that a cousin was gay, West said, it was a turning point. "Yo, this is my cousin. I love him and I've been discriminating against gays." He urged other rappers to turn down the noise against gays. "Yo, stop it," he said. West is on the rise, a voice for this or any other generation. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 13:11:57 -0400 From: vince Subject: njc Kanye West, my new hero On August 30, the very Republican Chicago Tribune ran the following editorial on Kanye West - a few days later, the voice for all generations as the Trib called him told the truth about Bush and shocked, shocked people - my love to Kanye, and once again, once again, rap/hip hop is speaking the truth that no one else is saying. The Trib's editorial: Kanye West's moment Published August 30, 2005 Hip-hop has a new king, one who dresses for success, raps about his mom and makes a plea against homophobia. Even those who have never paid attention to rap may want to pay attention to Chicago's Kanye West. This is his moment. West has been on the cover of Time magazine and appeared in a Pepsi commercial, symbols of his newfound status as a star slipping into the mainstream of popular culture. But those were sideshows to Tuesday's release of West's second CD, "Late Registration." The follow-up to last year's Grammy Award-winning "The College Dropout," the new work proves that West has successfully skirted music's dreaded sophomore slump. Some critics have hailed "Late Registration" as an instant classic that breaks new ground in hip-hop with its combination of meaningful lyrics and soaring music. Not bad for an artist credited with taking the gangsta out of rap and writing about real-life people and situations. Be warned, though: Some of the lyrics are explicit. "Here is someone who is rapping about things that many people consider uplifting, positive, informative, intelligent and interesting," said Craig Watkins, author of "Hip-Hop Matters: Politics, Pop Culture, and the Struggle for the Soul of a Movement." West raps about the diamond trade in Sierra Leone and the health-care system in America. In "Hey Mama," he raps an ode to his mother Donda West, an English professor. The first single, "Gold Digger," combines West's flat, mesmerizing voice with Jamie Foxx belting out the chorus like Ray Charles in his prime. Those who don't know West may be put off by his brashness. But as he gains mainstream popularity, he'll probably tone down his act, which won't be such a bad thing since he looks and sounds like a star in for the long haul. Hollywood surely will come calling. He already has made the move west to California. When it comes to social issues, the hope is that West will remain true to his values. In a recent interview with MTV, he took a stand against rap's penchant for gay-bashing. West said people called him a "mama's boy" and he became homophobic while growing up. But when he learned that a cousin was gay, West said, it was a turning point. "Yo, this is my cousin. I love him and I've been discriminating against gays." He urged other rappers to turn down the noise against gays. "Yo, stop it," he said. West is on the rise, a voice for this or any other generation. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:30:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club And might I add one of the most generous...thinking of those yummy buckeye candies and all the support you've given to the Covers Project, Bree...I may not see (buck) eye to (buck) eye with you all the time, but that's OK, and I admire your willingness to fight for what you believe in when you are so overwhelmingly outnumbered. Melissa Manchester is playing in town November 3 - the ticket's on me, we'll feed you and give you a place to rest your head, so come on down babe! Bob NP: Joni, "Sire of Sorrow" (Job's Sad Song) - --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 14:03:42 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club I'm a proud member of the Bree fan club too - ;-) She's a sweetheart! Gary Detroit Bob Muller wrote: >One of the sweetest people on the JMDL.> > >And might I add one of the most generous...thinking of those yummy buckeye candies and all the support you've given to the Covers Project, Bree...I may not see (buck) eye to (buck) eye with you all the time, but that's OK, and I admire your willingness to fight for what you believe in when you are so overwhelmingly outnumbered. > >Melissa Manchester is playing in town November 3 - the ticket's on me, we'll feed you and give you a place to rest your head, so come on down babe! > >Bob > >NP: Joni, "Sire of Sorrow" (Job's Sad Song) > > > > >--------------------------------- > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:04:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: njc Kanye West, my new hero Rolling Stone gave "Late Registration" 5 stars (out of a possible 5). 5 stars. They don't do that. Ever. Pitchforkmedia.com gave it a 9.5 out of 10, also very unprecedented. Nate's got a copy of The College Dropout upstairs, he says that Kanye is more soul-oriented than rap-oriented, I'm gonna give it a spin and see for myself. Bob NP: Prince, "The Plan" - --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:10:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc race bias in the relief efforts - --- vince wrote: > news story on racial bias in aid to the victims, > followed by the > August 30 editorial on Kanye West just before the > relief show where > Kanye West was censored > Yes. Good for Kanye West for speaking his mind and not pulling any punches. I've just read the death toll could reach 10,000. Unbe-frigging-lievable. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:14:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: blackbird Wow, it's getting to be like a family reunion around here lately, what with all these long-silent types chiming in again. Cool! I don't know the exact timing of that John Lennon statement, I'd guess it to be around the early 70's And yes, she made some appearances in England early on, and played some shows (like the one in Leicester that we've got a copy of) and also shopping her songs around, hence you get some early British folk covers of songs she never recorded, like The Foggy Dew-O doing "Born To Take The Highway" (and BSN), Fairport Convention doing "Eastern Rain" (and a host of others) and The Ian Campbell Folk Group doing "Dr. Junk" (and "Circle Game"). Bob NP: The New Pornographers, "The New Face Of Zero and One" PS: Your post reminded me of an anecdote that Michael told me about a guitar store that had a sign up that said "No Stairway To Heaven or Blackbird!" - --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:18:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC The Rolling Stones & Rap Thanks for sharing the article, Tim - it was good and definitely supports the argument pretty well. And after all, it was Mick & the boys who had the classic line "Black girls just wanna get f*cked all night, I don't have that much jam". That wasn't real subtle, was it? Bob NP: Badly Drawn Boy, "Once Around The Block" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:50:32 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: short editorial NJC National disaster in White House National disgrace" read the News-Press lead headline on Friday. I would like to add that the Bush administration is a national disaster. In the president's nonresponse to the repeated warnings of a Category 5 hurricane approaching the Gulf Coast, and by his inaction after the flooding of New Orleans, Mr. Bush displayed both a chilling apathy and a lack of leadership. Without his scriptwriters and image-makers around him, he seemed at a loss. Indeed, Mr. Bush reveals his incompetence with such stunning consistency that one can count on it. As a Republican for 50 years, I stand utterly horrified as I watch the harm and havoc Mr. Bush wreaks at every turn. I am out of my rocking chair and flying to Washington to join the march on Washington Sept. 24. Tanny Keeler, Santa Barbara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 14:40:26 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: From Kauai (njc) Is that my Burgundy reappearing on the JMDL? Welcome back darling. love, mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 14:39:44 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: njc race bias in the relief efforts Ya gotta love the "balanced" media. They managed to find the six black people in America that don't think the neglect was race related. One of them, Condoleeza Rice, did this during the disaster while in New York: saw the Monty Python play "Spamalot", got a tennis lesson from a famous tennis pro, and went shopping for shoes that cost more than most people make in a month. When a disbelieving woman in the store confronted her about how she could be shopping for shoes while people were dying...well, it's not known how (or if) Rice responded, but the citizen was ejected from the store by security. I was watching the east coast feed of the relief show when Kanye West "went off". I was cheering. It was clear he had departed from the script to speak his mind, and say what so many were feeling. (NBC censored his remarks for the west coast rebroadcast, and later made public statements distancing themselves from him, going so far as to say that it was too bad that one person's outburst could overshadow the efforts of the other well intentioned participants, or something to that effect). Kanye also said something about his people who were off fighting 'other wars' (Iraq) and expressed his outrage that cops had been given permission to shoot blacks in the flooded city. These remarks seem to have fallen through the cracks of the reportage. I'm also glad Mr. West is confronting the sexism, homophobia and diamond-obsessed themes that run through so much of the rap genre on his new CD. People from that community need to stand up and say it's not cool. There are plenty saying it is. Boycott them. RR, who just learned my second cousin had just moved to Biloxi, MI, and lost everything vince wrote: > > GULF COAST CRISIS: RACIAL CONTROVERSY > > BATON ROUGE, La. -- From the storm-created squalor of New Orleans to the > polished halls of Congress, the ticklish issue of race erupted Friday in > connection with the government's slow relief response for the victims of > Hurricane Katrina. > > It arose because of riveting scenes showing thousands of mostly black > victims suffering for days with little food, water or medicine while no > one came to their rescue--images that will not go away quickly in the > wake of the hurricane's mighty assault on New Orleans and the Gulf Coast. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 15:10:55 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: blackbird Bob, I bet your open-G version sounds cool. McCartney played it in standard tuning, however. Yesterday was played in standard, too, with the guitar tuned down 1 step. So he was playing G but it's in F. The only Beatles song I'm aware of in open tuning is Dear Prudence, played in drop-D (standard but low E dropped to D). I think Bob is right about Lennon's fiddles comment-they crossed paths in LA while both were recording at the same studio (A&M? Record Plant?). Lennon's LA time was late '73-early '74. That's the only Beatles contact she has had that I have ever heard of. James Taylor was the first artist signed to Apple Records, too, but in the ton of Beatles bios I've read, no mention of Joan that I recall. I wonder if she ever met George-they shared band members Robben Ford and Tom Scott around the same time. RR ps the black "bird" Paul was thinking of while writing this song was Diana Ross. Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > Many many years ago, I figured out a passable version of Blackbird that I > lived with until now for my personal playing purposes. > > However, for a while, I have had a 'realization' (from all of my Joni > playing) that this song must have been played in open G.' > > In looking at a couple of internet tabs (I only began a very cursory lookup) > of Blackbird, I noticed that those arrangements were very similar to mine > (standard tuning). > > Today I sat down and began to transpose it into open G. From the > 'colorations' , I am more inclined to believe that it is played in open G. Furthermore, > all of the chord shapes used are those used by Joni - they can all pretty > much be found in either Marcie or the Gallery. If anyone is interested, I would > be happy to share my insights (perhaps one of you could tab it). > > Which leads me to another thought. One of the sites claims that this was > purportedly written by Paul (circa 1968 ?) about a black girl ('bird') during > the civil rights movement. However, the timing of this work (so few Paul solo > guitar solos - does anyone have a proper tab for Yesterday, which also is > obviously (to my ear) written in an alternate tuning ?) and of Joni's Marcie and > Gallery suggests a connection of some sort to me - is it impossible that they > met around that time and shared some chord shapes? Which direction such > sharing may have gone I am not sure, but if I had to venture a guess it would be > Joni to Paul. Of course, there is the possible Keith Richards connection to > consider, too. > > Also, the title of this song - Black(crow) - rings a bell somewhere in my > head :-) > > When did John tell Joni to put some fiddles on it, I wonder ? We know from > the London Bridge song that Joni had been to London while still on the > coffeehouse circuit, no ? > > Ah, I'm a nut. But we guitarists hear things. Is this a bad thing ? > > Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 14:38:51 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club Politically, I agree with little to nothing that Bree has to write. We simply don't discuss politics for I think much more of her than I do of that mess. I would have to say that I am her number one fan, well Mar will contest that one. heheh. Melissa Manchester in your town Bob? Now, that just ain't right. I would say the chances of her ever coming to good ole Texas are very small. I hope you go. And if you are lucky enough to talk with her, please tell her that HER number one fan is there in spirit. mack np: who else? Melissa Manchester ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 16:01:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC The Bree Fan Club Yeah, I know...ain't no justice in this world. But check it out: http://www.handlebar-online.com/ (scroll down to the bottom). Me & my buddy Don will be there this week for the BoDeans/Shannon McNally show, looking forward to it. I may have to to the MM show just to get some signed merch for you, Mack - after all, you ARE her #1 fan. Bob NP: Patti Smith, "Memento Mori" - --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:01:09 -0400 From: vince Subject: njc why Roberts must be defeated I had been unable to make up my mind until I saw this in yesterday's NY Times. How clever of the White House to release this when they knew it would get no attention. Vince, arrested outside the South African embassy protesting apartheid on July 27, 1985, in a TransAfrica sponsered action http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/politics/politicsspecial1/04roberts.html Old Memo From Roberts the Young Lawyer Shows a Caustic Side NEIL A. LEWIS Published: September 4, 2005 WASHINGTON, Sept. 3 - When he was a young lawyer in the Justice Department in 1982, John G. Roberts Jr. wrote a memorandum that contained an unusually caustic assessment of a prominent black lobbying group called TransAfrica, according to documents released Saturday. The documents written by Mr. Roberts, who now serves on a federal appeals court and has been nominated to the Supreme Court by President Bush, were released by the National Archives and Records Administration. The memorandum was written in response to a letter to the Justice Department in which TransAfrica's president at the time, Randall Robinson, said he would be providing a free subscription of the organization's policy journal. TransAfrica was set up to lobby the government on behalf of American blacks on issues relating to Africa and the Caribbean. It had organized a series of successful demonstrations outside the South African Embassy before that country abandoned apartheid. Mr. Roberts's superior, Kenneth W. Starr, asked him in a memorandum to draft a thank-you note to TransAfrica. Instead, Mr. Roberts wrote on Feb. 16, 1982, that no thank-you note should be sent. "Sometimes silence is golden," he wrote. "TransAfrica is the American lobby group supporting various Marxist takeover attempts in Africa, particularly Namibia ." At the time, the Reagan administration had adopted a policy of what it called "constructive engagement" with the white regime in South Africa , which also ruled Namibia, then known as South-West Africa. Sylvia Hill, a professor at the University of the District of Columbia and the vice chairwoman of TransAfrica Forum, the current incarnation of the organization, said the remarks were troubling. "One has to be concerned that he essentially used the argument that our support for struggling people in countries who had oppressive legal and racist regimes meant support for Marxism, Communism or the Soviet Union," she said in an interview. Professor Hill added that the significance of his comments "in today's context is that, despite the international and domestic documentation that the South African and Namibian regimes were committing horrific violations of human rights against their peoples, he viewed this as an ideologue opposed to Communism." South African rule in Namibia was opposed by the South West Africa People's Organization, known as Swapo, which was avowedly Marxist. Since taking power, it has not put a Marxist regime in place. South Africa's main opposition group, the African National Congress, had ties to the Soviet Union, but since gaining power has not put a Marxist regime in place. Mr. Roberts added in his note that the fact that Mr. Robinson was the brother of Max Robinson, then the anchor of ABC's evening news program, "does not legitimate the organization." ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #343 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)