From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #340 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, September 4 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 340 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: More on Moore's letter (NJC) [Lori Fye ] njc, Leave My Child Alone ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: NJC News Flash - Homos to Blame! [Em ] njc Rehnquist is dead [vince ] (NJC) Different Wiring [Lori Fye ] Chief Justice Rehnquist Dead [jrmco1@aol.com] Re: njc Rehnquist is dead [Lori Fye ] Saturday: Prez begins to grasp situation, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] darice & debra njc ["Kate Bennett" ] [none] ["Patti Parlette" ] God save the queers, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Subject: NJC News Flash - Homos to Blame! [Claud9 ] Katrina, FEMA and Bush (NJC) [Michael Richman ] Alanis ["Mike and Alice Hicks" ] Fw: VMA's/Vince ["Mike and Alice Hicks" ] Re: MIchael Moore's letter ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: NJC White House phone number ["Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: More on Moore's letter (NJC) > The president even refused help from Germany, assuring the world that the US could take care of it's own??? I wonder what the response was to Fidel Castro's offer ... I can only imagine it was no response at all: http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/cuba-offers-help/2005/09/03/1125302770223 .html Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 03:19:24 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Leave My Child Alone Dear Joniamigos: If you have high school-aged children, or have friends or family who do, you might be interested in www.LeaveMyChildAlone.org. Here are some snippets from their website: - ---------------- Opt Out Deadlines Approaching! Opt your child out of the list high schools give military recruiters and the Pentagon's illegal JAMRS database. Cindy Sheehan (mother of a soldier slain in Iraq), Jim Massey (ex-Marine recruiter) and others reveal the true impact of No Child Left Behind's military recruitment in our high schools. With no end in sight to the increasingly lethal American occupation in Iraq, this is the single-most important film for concerned parents and citizens to see. Watch the 11-minute film and then take action to "opt our kids out" at www.LeaveMyChildAlone.org. "A recruiter got a hold of Casey at a vulnerable time for him. Casey had resisted recruiters for years, since he was a junior in high school... If I had the opportunity to get his name off the list, I definitely would have." - -- Cindy Sheehan, mother of soldier slain in Iraq, in the Leave My Child Alone DVD - ------- ALL kids in high school and college are at a vulnerable time. My youngest son Michael almost joined the Military Madness at the end of his freshman year of college (March 2003). He finally admitted, after deciding NOT to join (O HAPPY DAY!!!!), that he considered it because he was unsure of what to major in. (Now, at the beginning of his senior year, he has found himself, and wants to go to graduate school to be a guidance counselor. PHEW!) If you have college-aged kids, it's not as easy. You have to be ever-vigilant and keep asking your young adult questions. In our case, the recruiters left messages on my home phone, and sent mail to my home. Those, I could erase and/or hide. If the kids are contacted in their dorms or other places on campus, we have no control. And that scares me. Love, Patti P. "Another Mother for Peace" NPOMTV in the other room: CNN, Larry King interviewing Celine Dion (Dionne?) who is weeping uncontrollably about the unbelievable, unfathomable suffering of our brothers and sisters down south. Like her music or not, she sure looks/sounds sincere to me. She is giving a million dollars. "And you know..." Although of course it would take a heart of stone to not weep at what is happening. Did any of Bush's photo-ops show him weeping? I did not see any. E. L. Doctorow is right on. It is soooo "unacceptable", eh Mr. President? The "haves and the have mores" -- what about the "have nots"? Do you EVER think of them? THAT is what is unacceptable. Oh, and I read in the newspaper today that he "comforted" two young mothers who were looking for clothes for their little ones by kissing their heads and putting his arms around them and saying "Hang in there." "Hang in there???????" WTF???? Hang in there in a cesspool of death and destruction? That comment just sent me through the roof. And believe me, I am thankful to have one (a roof) tonight, and I am wishing I could share it right now. It is a beautiful night here in New England -- no more shiny hot nights -- and I feel guilty for being so comfortable. So I will write another check, and send up my prayer once again. Peace, love and comfort to all. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:26:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC News Flash - Homos to Blame! I don't think we're done crucifying the old Jesus yet. And every time some right wing faux Christian perpetrates some hateful abomination in his name, the old Jesus is once again given vinegar to suck on. Em - --- Lori Fye wrote: > > Isn't it also interesting to note that Jesus, aka The > > Son of God, chose to hang out with the sinners, not > > with the self-righteous hypocrites. > > If Jesus were visible to the random eye today (I won't say, "If Jesus > were > alive today" because that's sure to start an argument), he would piss > off > the radicial "religious" right wing nuts so much, he would be ... > > Crucified. > > Since we don't use a cross for to perform executions anymore, though, > everyone would instead start wearing neckaces with little gold lethal > injection beds dangling from them. Wouldn't that be lovely? > > (Wish I could claim credit, but it's something that comic Suzanne > Westenhoefer suggested. I think she said the charms would be electric > chairs > or gas chambers or somesuch. Whatever, you get the idea.) > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 23:30:10 -0400 From: vince Subject: njc Rehnquist is dead ABC just announced the Chief Justice's death now Bush has two vacancies kiss Roe v Wade good-bye and an end to a woman being able to make medical decisions for her own self and right now I have a tinge of anger for all who said there was no difference between Kerry and Bush - you really believe there would no difference between their court appointments? Those who remove themselves or are above participating in the actual choices we have because it fails to match the utopian ideal are aiding that which they object to most. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 23:33:14 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) Different Wiring I know I wrote earlier about how we're too simplistic, but maybe it really is kind of simple afterall. We've had this discussion before, about how people MUST be wired differently in order to think so oppositely about things that would seem to be so obvious. Today Mary and I rode our motorcycles to Luray Caverns and back. Lovely trip, about 250 miles. As the caverns are in the Shenandoah Valley area, our trip took us into Virginia. You absolutely cannot visit Virginia without being reminded of the Civil War (or the War Between the States, or the War of Northern Aggression, your choice). It occurred to me that it really HAS to be that people are absolutely wired differently, from birth even, because how else can you explain men literally killing their brothers because they truly believed it was acceptable to keep other human beings enslaved? Fast forward 140 years. Now you have people blaming the poor in New Orleans - -- who are mostly black -- for their own poverty, for not getting themselves out in time, etc. No sympathy, no empathy, certainly no assistance. Just blame the "disposable" people. It really just boggles the mind, but at least I can take comfort in the notion that it's gotta be a wiring difference. Yep. Faulty wiring. Having solved that, I feel better now, and think I will go to bed with a peaceful mind. (Not.) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 23:33:16 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Chief Justice Rehnquist Dead ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 23:50:23 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: njc Rehnquist is dead Thanks for the news, Vince. As has been usual over the last 8 years, I get my most important information from this list. (The life and times of Joni Mitchell. I wonder what Joni has to say these days?) It is now officially time to move to Canada. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 23:52:48 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Saturday: Prez begins to grasp situation, njc In Saturday's news, CNN.com was saying President Bush mostly toured Katrina's devestation by air. Then it reported in part, >>>>Bush heard plenty, however, during more than an hour of meetings aboard his plane with state and local politicians about why it is taking so long to relieve the misery of so many people in New Orleans who have been living in squalor without the necessities of life. "He heard some things he didn't want to believe at first," said Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-Louisiana. "The president is starting to grasp the magnitude of the situation.">>>> This is crucial so I'll repeat this: this is Saturday's news! What I take from this: a.) He's a bit slow. b.) He was in denial. c.) Although most of us reacted to the fallen levees four days ago, the President is beginning to catch on today. d.) I can't wait for the next Presidential election: he can't run again. On the other hand, the Rose Garden message was spot-on: We didn't do enough. We will redouble our efforts. Here's a Kentucky expression: "Damn straight!" Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:54:54 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: njc Rehnquist is dead this was the real issue of our last election. it was a given one justice on the supreme court will pass way and that it would probably be chief justice rehnquist. what i didn't expect was justice sandra day o connor resigning. two appointments to the supreme court. idiots come and go, in this case 4 year term. the two appointments will define decades in which direction our country will grow. this was my chief issue in the last election. who put the ju ju on us??? gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "vince" To: "joni" Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: njc Rehnquist is dead > ABC just announced the Chief Justice's death > > now Bush has two vacancies > > kiss Roe v Wade good-bye and an end to a woman being able to make > medical decisions for her own self > > and right now I have a tinge of anger for all who said there was no > difference between Kerry and Bush - you really believe there would no > difference between their court appointments? Those who remove > themselves or are above participating in the actual choices we have > because it fails to match the utopian ideal are aiding that which they > object to most. > > Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:00:07 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: darice & debra njc Welcome back, it is so wonderful to hear from you both again! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 04:30:12 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: [none] Kate B., another mother for peace, wrote: >How come I knew but Bush >didn't???????????????????????????????????????????? You know how to read. Catherine Toronto Touche, Catherine! You took the words right out of my mouth, but said it better, comme d'habitude, because I would have had many more. I love your succinctness, and Smurf's! What a gift you are to us. So, I will add that he may know how to read, but REFUSES to. His advisors will tell him him everything he needs to know. How stupid is THAT? Uh oh...don't get me going again. If any Homeland Security people are infiltrating our JMDL, we'll all be on "No Fly" lists. Love, Patti P., staying up way too late, loving all these posts. There is no place like home! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:36:48 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: God save the queers, njc Randy wrote: Seems to me, if God hates queers so much, why didn't She wait until they were IN the city to unleash the disaster. Could've wiped out 125,000 of those sinners all at once (if lightening bolts are too much trouble these days). Maybe She was saving them! Hi Randy, Alleluia!!! Great post Randy!!! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 00:52:31 -0400 From: Claud9 Subject: Subject: NJC News Flash - Homos to Blame! Puke - Thanks Bob! Claud on 9/3/05 4:11 PM, JMDL Digest at owner-joni-digest@smoe.org wrote: > Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:11:38 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bob Muller > Subject: NJC News Flash - Homos to Blame! > > "Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a > wicked city" > > http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html > > Darn those homos! > > Bob, in a total state of confusion, because if I pray for the situation, ain't > I talking to same deity that caused the mess in the first place? > > NP: XTC, "Humble Daisy" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 23:50:58 -0500 From: Michael Richman Subject: Katrina, FEMA and Bush (NJC) >- --- Kate Bennett wrote: > > The president of this country said "I don't think > > anyone anticipated the breach of the levees." Too funny. Go to this *White House* web link and read how the President knew what could happen the Sunday before the storm hit. He went on TV to warn people to get to high ground for only the reason that the levees might break, flooding New Orleans. Read all about it: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050828-1.html After you read it, see if you think all of that federal coordination he promised the people came to pass in any reasonable time frame. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 01:42:54 -0400 From: "Mike and Alice Hicks" Subject: Alanis Nuri, I was lucky enough to see Alanis this summer doing the JLP accoustic tour. I'd have to say that may have been one of the best concerts I have been to. To have been accoustic, she had the most energy of anyone ever. She really seemed to enjoy every moment. I think she has a little Joni in her. Talented, on the edge song writer. What can be better than that? Supposed is still my favorite album by her though. I have not heard the accoustic cd however. Mike NP: The Innocence Mission - Birdless ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 01:52:12 -0400 From: "Mike and Alice Hicks" Subject: Fw: VMA's/Vince - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike and Alice Hicks" To: "vince" Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 11:11 PM Subject: Re: VMA's/Vince > Vince, > Glad to receive a reply. You make very good and truthful points. I don't > need to look up the history site though. I have seen it as you have. My > beef is that blacks in general have a very hard time with money, teen > pregnancy, and drug addiction.....not that whites do not. But, the stats > are there. Yet, rap seems to flaunt the very things that are degrading to > their people. I guess the media is partly responsible. But, it seems in > order to make a buck rap artists will do anything short of nudity, > sometimes not, to promote their music. And sometimes the bleeps for > profanity out weigh the other lyrics. Rock and rap go beyond boundaries > in that respect, but I think rap artists think there are no boundaries. > Yes the songs you listed MAY have been about crotches and drugs, but at > least one had to delve into the album cover and read the lyric sheet to > find out. I don't think that the groups you spoke of would go to the > vulgarity limits to sell their product even today. The music seemed to be > primary for them. Rap seems to be opposite. Let's grab and hump each > other on video. Oh yeah, they put this on a cd. Let's go buy it. It > seems to me this is how it works for them. But hey, they're making bucks. > I guess that's what it's all about. And, the songs you referred to were > over a 30 year span. We have to, or not, listen to rap every day. How > long did it take to figure out about White Rabbit? Did you not have to > hear it a few times and search? No searching with most rap. It's in your > face. And at least you had to open the album cover to get Joni's ass. > > Mike > PS - Sorry about calling you out in the thread title. I am fairly new to > how this works. My apologies. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "vince" > To: "Mike and Alice Hicks" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 9:31 PM > Subject: Re: VMA's/Vince > > >> Mike, >> >> I have not had time sooner to answer this, sorry. >> >> Since you have my name in the thread title, I feel I have to respond, and >> so let me as humbly as I can suggest that your knowledge of rap music, >> based on your description, is not very extensive and seems based on what >> sounds more like Victoria Secret commercials than anything else. Sure >> there are some songs and it seems to your point videos that are as you >> say. This is hardly new to music, unless you believe that the Beatles >> "fish and finger pie" was not about girl's crotches. Hey, if someone >> wants to believe that Mama's got a squeeze box, Daddy likes to play at >> night is an ode to accordion musicians, that's fine by me. Maybe "Brown >> Sugar" really is about... brown sugar and the ode to cinnamon is coming >> soon. >> We seem to have come at age at about the same time, as I too vividly >> remember the Beatles first appearance on Ed Sullivan , my father said to >> turn it off, I said no (the first time I ever said "no" to him) and that >> was a one-step entrance into generational conflict. If you characterize >> the music of that day as "the saturation of love songs" than we listened >> to different radio stations. But it does depend on context, surely. I >> used to work in foster care with abused children, part of the job was >> transporting them to parental visits, counseling, etc., and the "love >> songs" of the 60s took on a sinister tone when we had "classic rock" (oh, >> the sweet innocent music) on in the car. When you are driving the child >> or teen aged victim of rape, incest, or other, imagine how "young girl, >> get out of my mind, my love for you is way out of line, you better run, >> girl..." sounds. Or "she was just seventeen and you know what I mean." >> Or "young girl, you're a woman now." Or "hey little girl, comb your >> hair, fix your make-up, time to get ready for love." That is when one is >> not listening to songs about violence. "Met her in the mountains, there >> I took her life.. stabbed her with my knife." "I shot the sheriff, but I >> did not shoot the deputy." (And that song I have no use for, in that my >> cousin, a deputy, was blown away in the line of duty and whether Marley >> or Clapton sing it, it is not a cheerful subject - as their song is.) >> And when you take children from their crack addicted parents, the fun of >> all the drug songs loses its joy... or was White Rabbit really about >> Alice in Wonderland and "she blew my nose and then she blew my mind" is >> about a nurse with a kleenex and a fascinating story of new developments >> in vitamin therapy. >> >> I mean, really. The music of any day is not sweet and innocent unlike >> the dirty music of today. yes, you have become your father, which >> involves a healthy dose of selective memory of one own's day. Lighting, >> indeed, strikes again. >> During yet another 2 Live Crew controversy, the announcer (and I >> unfortunately forget who) on a classical musical station that I was >> listening to commented that if 2 Live Crew had simply sung the same >> lyrics in Italian or German, it would be hailed as classical and played >> on his station... and then he played great excerpts of fun operas (Norma, >> killing one's children; Aida, treason; Madama Butterfly, colonial >> exploitation and illegitimate children and suicide; and the Ring Cycle, >> that all time Wagnerian fun fest of incest, bestiality, racism, and >> murder). 2 Live Crew's songs about hairy women and bald women seemed so >> tame in comparison. >> >> Of course the complaint back in the day was the political lyrics of rap, >> be it NWA or Tupac or whoever. >> I do not defend every thing in rap as I cannot with any form of music. I >> think there is much I would recommend about rap. I suggest the Roots, >> Phrenology a good album to start with. Catch the MTV five part history >> of rap next time they show it (tape it, tivo it, whatever), check out the >> Chuck D interview on the Commonwealth Club (did you listen to it a few >> months back when I but the link up?). Dare to be different than Dad and >> take the time to know the music. >> >> And me being me, check out the MTV hour long studies of Eminem. I love >> seeing the My name is video - his ode to leave it to Beaver cracks me up >> every time. >> >> I am attaching a link to a simple history of hip hop/rap (I disagree with >> the author of this site because I think there is a difference between the >> two just as I can distinguish the San Francisco psychedelic rock from >> heavy metal) but overall it has good resources on it and is well >> written. >> http://www.jahsonic.com/Rap.html >> >> I must alert that it does begin with an interesting picture of Lil Kim. >> Proof that rap is forcing naked wimmin on us - but she shows nothing, >> unlike Joni hanging her ass out in an album, or Janis Joplin who was >> proud of how good her breasts looked in that famous nude shot, Lil Kim is >> as sedate as Sally Rand - suggestive, nothing direct. >> >> As for your comment: "Is this the black man throwing it in the white >> face? You tell me." I can only reply: I can't respond to that, I cannot >> tell you anything there. I do not have enough knowledge of you to >> understand the overtones of your statement; it sounds rather frightening >> to me, frankly, but that may be because I do not know you to know the >> context in which you mean that. >> >> In these days when it takes the federal government six days to get to a >> hospital and a convention center to bring food and water and rescue to >> people living in a cess pool, I suggest that the next wave of rap >> political commentary is going to be very angry. >> >> Vince >> >> Mike and Alice Hicks wrote: >> >>>Vince, >>>I can understand your point clearly. I love all kinds of music myself >>>and I >>>was there in the living room with my Dad watching the Beatles on Ed >>>Sullivan. >>>Communists, bunch of junk, etc. was his take on all this and still is. >>>He is >>>veteran of WWII so I just kept my musical feelings to myself. I figured >>>he >>>deserved to vent his position. But I must admit, the rap thing does >>>bother me >>>some. I try. I even like Coolio's song he put out a few years ago as he >>>talked about the ghetto life and and how tough it is. I really can >>>appreciate >>>that. But what I don't get is why the crotches of girls have to be >>>thrown in >>>our faces on tv. I have children that I cannot allow them to think that >>>behavior is okay. Is this what the mini skirt of the 60's/70's evolved >>>to? I >>>don't know. I just know what I see.....arrogance, pimp, money hungry, >>>grabbin' all they can grab and throwing it in your face. Is this the >>>black >>>man throwing it in the white face? You tell me. I try to like it >>>because I >>>am a music lover. But there has to be more than the same old thing to >>>talk >>>about. All of a sudden the saturation of love songs doesn't seem so bad. >>>Did >>>I grow up to be my Dad? >>> >>>Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 01:58:15 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: MIchael Moore's letter >Hi Bree, > > Yes, we are spoiled, the upper classes are. The people in New >Orleans >who are stuck there are not in those classes. Most were too poor to >evacuate >before the hurricane without owning cars and not being able to afford >renting >a hotel north of the city, etc. Laura... Many of those stuck people could have gotten out. Did you know at least the day before the hurricane...and maybe even several days before.. busses roamed the neighborhoods looking for people to bus out of New Orleans proper? Most of those busses came back bare or with just one or two people. And yes...many could not get out because of their poverty. .....mental illness...handicapped...elderly. > New Orleans has always had a large population of drug addicts and >without their drugs now, it is not surprising they are getting violent. Yeah...and you can blame some of the tolerance down there on their inept mayor. The violence that got so out hand is because he chose to look the other way. Before any help could be given it was up to him and the governor to get things under control. So Bush is blamed and the mayor is given a pass. I wonder why? Just the >heat alone down there could make a person lose their mind. This is the >hottest part of the year in the south. I don't know how they are making >it down >there and don't blame the ones who aren't and who are crazy. SOOOO..it's no longer the twinkie defense but the HOT defense...THE HEAT MADE ME MURDER....RAPE......hi-jack > The Iraq war is the luxury of a rich/spoiled leadership... not a last >resort effort. Now we are feeling the cost even greater. It wouldn't >have >been possible to war with Iraq if this national tragedy had occurred prior >to >the decision to go to war with Iraq. It is now blatantly obvious how we >really >can't afford the war. The helicopters should have been busy moving our >people to safety this whole week. This is tragedy upon tragedy. It is >another >debt the war has raised. And, this debt is not able to be as hidden as >the >war dead and the national debt. I think..at least when I last checked... that the U.S. is still the richest country on earth. SO I think we can handle both. And besides....we are the most generous and we will take care of all the hurricane victims. The resources are pouring in....people are giving....things WILL get better. > We are going to see change as the result of this crisis... major >change. > This is going to cause a revolution in the minds and hearts of the >majority >of the people. The truth is the truth and this tragedy makes even more >clear the truth that we could not afford to go to war with Iraq. This >tragedy >will not be forgotten. Laura..please.....this was a very bad hurricane....mother nature caused this... our military evacuated just today from the convention center... 19,000 Americans . This tragedy of nature is being taken care of...... Where is your hope and optimism? Love.. Bree >Love, >Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 02:37:51 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: NJC White House phone number "I just called to say I love you" but serious..Debra...do you think Bush is back from vacationing? I mean he could still be on the ranch or back at the ranch.....or heading there... I mean ..you know it's not like we have mass communications and the President is still the president ..well ..if he's in Crawford ..Texas or Xenia..Ohio... he can't possibly do his job anywhere BUT from the Oval office. Just like if one's a lawyer or an accountant they absolutely can NOT..no way.... do any work from home. It MUST be all done at the firm. it's late..goodnight.. Bree : Sat, 3 Sep 2005 12:28:34 -0700 (PDT) > >If you want to get up close and personal about it, the >phone number of the White House is 202-456-1111. > >My guess is that Bush supporters call the most. It's >time that the White House tenant hears from other >people. > >Debra Shea > > > > > >____________________________________________________ >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #340 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)