From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #339 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, September 3 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 339 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- njc, Cindy Sheehan, champion of peace and hope ["Patti Parlette" ] njc, forgive me fathers and others ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: NJC News Flash - Homos to Blame! [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: MIchael Moore's letter [Catherine McKay ] Re: Bush's guitar, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] NJC News Flash - Homos to Blame! ["Kate Bennett" ] More on Moore's letter (NJC) [Darice ] re: (NJC) - Political Content and RT [Debra Shea ] Re: More on Moore's letter (NJC) [Debra Shea ] Re: More on Moore's letter (NJC) [Emiliano ] Re: Nothing wrong with BSN, NJC now [Emiliano ] Re: Did you "wind up fixing dinner"? NJC [Emiliano ] Re: More on Moore's letter (NJC) [Emiliano ] Without Sanctuary njc [vince ] Re: VMA's/Vince [vince ] NJC Now just RT content [Bob Muller ] Re: Nothing wrong with BSN, NJC now [Bob Muller ] Re: NJC News Flash - Homos to Blame! [Smurf ] Re: Michael Moore's letter NJC [Lori Fye ] sorry for no tag [vince ] Re: (NJC) Letter from Michael Moore [Lori Fye ] Re: MIchael Moore's letter [Lori Fye ] Re: NJC News Flash - Homos to Blame! [Lori Fye ] Re: NJC News Flash - Homos to Blame! -- Hmm ... [Lori Fye Subject: njc, Cindy Sheehan, champion of peace and hope Dear Joniamigos: Reading the news and it sure looks bad....they won't give peace a chance, that was just a dream some of us had.......and then along comes Cindy Sheehan!!!!! Brava, Cindy!!!! A woman who dares to speak my own heart and mind -- and many of yours, too, of course. I have been too swamped to reply to Smurf's post of 8/25 about Cindy, so please forgive my running behind the times here. I made the mistake of reading it in my workplace where one minute I'm so happy blithely quoting Joni, and the next I'm crying on everyone's knees.... I know you warned us to get out the kleenex, Smurf, but OMG.... - ------------ Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:58:12 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Smurf > >Subject: "I never died," said he -- njc > > > >I have cut and pasted below the last few paragraphs of > >Cindy Sheehan's blog entry for today. If you'd like to > >read the entire piece, it's at: > > > >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cindy-sheehan/camp-casey-day-18_b_6184.html And he part that got me the most was this: - ------------ "The most emotional thing for me though was walking through the main tent and seeing the huge painting on canvas of Casey. Many things hit me all at once: That this huge movement began because of Casey's sacrifice; thousands, if not millions of people know about Casey and how he lived his life and the wrongful way in which he was killed; but the thing that hit me the hardest was how much I miss him. I miss him more everyday. It seems the void in my life grows as time goes on and I realize I am never going to see him again or hear his voice. In addition to all this, the portrait is so beautiful and moving and it captures Casey's spirit so well. I sobbed and sobbed. I was surrounded by photographers, I looked around until I finally found a friendly face, then the news people crushed in on me and I couldn't breathe. I didn't mean to have such a dramatic re-entrance to Camp Casey, but the huge portrait of Casey really surprised me." - -------------- Normally so voluble, I'm having trouble finding the right words to express my gratitude for and empathy with this woman. She turns her unspeakable grief into positive action which springs, like hope eternal, from her totally pure maternal love for her son. To me, she is the hero of our lifetime. How ANYONE could criticize her is beyond my understanding. I guess I just have to somehow accept that there will always be hawks and doves? But who would ever CHOOSE to be a hawk over a dove? Don't get it. Look what she has gone through! I paste below her post on August 30th (great synchro for me because this is my first-born son's birthday....the day I myself became a mother...the day I came to only BEGIN to know what true and pure love -- the greatest love of all -- really is): - ---------- "While George golfed yesterday, the worst hurricane ever struck New Orleans; oil went up to over $68/barrel; and an American soldier was killed in the charade and cataclysmic occupation of Iraq. The soldier's family doesn't even know what's going to hit them yet. The death is "Pending Notification." I continually ask myself: "How do George Bush and other death-mongers live with themselves?" While George vacations and bikes and golfs his way to the lowest poll numbers since Richard Nixon, other "patriots" are wrapping themselves in the Stars and Stripes and going along with the farce that the mission from hell -- killing more people in Iraq, because so many have already been killed -- is somehow a good thing ordained by God. I can live with myself, but trust me, sleep does not come easily to me these days. Yesterday at Camp Casey was again, naturally, an amazing day. Dennis Means from the A.I.M. came with a group of Native American musicians and they made a presentation to me. He gave me a shawl in the tradition of Tecumseh and he pinned a brooch of 5 stars on it from "one chief to another." He also said we should all change our last names to Sheehan and he will be known as: Dennis Means Sheehan! Sheehan is Gaelic for "Peace" which I think is such a cool thing, and not a coincidence. Casey Sheehan's sacrifice will stand for peace forever. (interjected note from Patti: BEAUTIFUL, CINDY!!!!!!) I missed the candlelight vigil at Camp Casey I last night, but I heard that the counter-protestors came over and held vigil with us for our killed heroes. I heard it was beautiful and life-affirming. This is what Camp Casey does for us: it transforms bitter anger into righteous, productive anger. It turns hate into love. It brings people together in new love and cements mature relationships. It brings other people together who would normally not ever meet and makes them lifelong soul-friends. It heals broken hearts and mends broken souls. I know Camp Casey has healed my broken soul and heart. A veteran from the Iraq tragedy told me that he is now cured of any bad feelings he had. Just another day at Camp Casey. I must admit when I sat down in the ditch on August 6th, I thought to myself: "Self, what the hell did you do? Texas in August? A ditch filled with fire ants, rattlesnakes, and chiggers? Pooping in a bucket? Dodging lightening bolts and heat exhaustion?" But I knew I would have to suffer it through to the end. I knew that the people of Iraq and our soldiers have it far worse than we did. I thought as long as I could have plenty of water and an occasional shower at the Peace House, that I would survive. What I never thought, however, was that I would grow to love it here: That I would be so overwhelmed by the magnitude of love and support I received that I would be depressed to leave Camp Casey. I don't want to leave, but I know that for the Camp Casey movement to keep growing, we have to leave Crawford and take Camp Casey to the people. Tonight I will write to look back on the good times, less than good times and the miracles that occurred here in Crawford. But I want to thank one person for the best "vacation" and most amazing experience I have ever had - -- George Bush: Thank you George for not meeting with me on August 6th and thank you for being the motivation for Camp Casey. I know you don't want Camp Casey to come to the place you reside between vacations, so I would suggest you bring our troops home immediately. But most of all: thank you my son. Thank you for living the kind of life that inspires people to work for peace and justice. Thank you for choosing me to be your mom. Thank you for being the embodiment of love and thank you for being the inspiration for the Camp Casey movement. I promise you it won't end until all of your buddies are brought home. And I promise I will fight for your unborn nieces and nephews and the rest of the children of the world, so they won't be misused and abused by corrupt leadership like you and your buddies were. I love you Casey." - -------------- Is there a dry eye here? Not at my computer station, that's for sure. What a mom, what a mom, what a mighty good mom. Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with Cindy. She is our light in the darkness. Shadows and Light, indeed: The dark shadows of BUSHIT the "War President" vs. the pure light of this courageous mother's love. Love to all (with a HUGE extra dollop to Paz et famille and all the suffering souls down South), Patti P. "Another Mother for Peace" P.S. I highlight (repeat) here something Sister Cindy ("...soul sister, soul sister!...") said in her 8/30 post, because it makes me think of Lori's totally justified anger, and what Em and SCJoniguy are gently suggesting she do with that anger: "This is what Camp Casey does for us: it transforms bitter anger into righteous, productive anger. It turns hate into love." Now THAT is the "sweeter fare" we need. YOU GO, CINDY! And I'm going with you! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:32:28 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: (NJC) Letter from Michael Moore >We as a country are spoiled rotten....and this is part or even most of the problem down there..instead pulling together SOMe of the victims are raping....murdering.....robbing ..looting.....< Bree I agree with you in part (many of us in this country are spoiled). However, I would not include so many of the very poorest people who were unable to flee from the disaster because they were just too poor to leave. It is easy to pass judgment on a situation from the safety & comfort of our homes but in truth neither you nor I can fully grasp what is going on there. I am not excusing the raping & murdering & some of the looting. I urge you to gain a deeper understanding of what is happening right now in NO by listening to the entire interview with the Mayor. It is not as simple as you think. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:49:43 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Darice Subject: Bush, New Orleans et al (NJC) "President [Bush] plans to take his campaign to shore up sagging support for the war in Iraq to San Diego next Tuesday with a speech at North Island Naval Air Station. A speech at North Island Naval Air Station in Coronado will be the third and final Iraq pitch during the president's five-week vacation as Bush attempts to blunt the growth in anti-war sentiment and a drop in his approval ratings. The president's counteroffensive on those policies came as the protest by a California woman who lost her son in Iraq grew into a rallying point for other Americans unhappy with the war. With the protesting mother, Cindy Sheehan, camped near his Crawford, Texcas, ranch for much of his vacation, Bush has sought to use speeches in Utah, Idaho and now San Diego to emphasize both his steadfastness and his compassion." The above abstract is from the San Diego Union (a decidely Republican based paper) about the upcoming visit President Bush was to make to the San Diego area. The paper also reported that Rumsfeld was there for the festivities and went to a sporting event. This is the important "honoring the dead" mission to San Diego. Would you like to refute the San Diego Union reports? Bree??? Darice ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 21:15:21 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, forgive me fathers and others Forgive me fathers, for I have sinned. I should not have only spoken of mothers' love for their children! Please know that I in no way meant to offend or exclude you. I was just writing from my personal perspective as a Mom. I know there are many great Dads up on the peace train, too...SCJoniguy, Emiliano, the last time I read Richard, and of COURSE "you know..." Not at all the spirit that's inside of me to ever offend. Love, Patti P. "Another PARENT for Peace" P.S. Oh NO! Merde! "You can't please 'em all..I do my best and I do good business..." Have I now offended the non-parents? Non, non -- you know what I mean, don't you? "Another PERSON for Peace" -- there we go! NPIMH: The peace train's getting LOUDER.....everyone up on the peace train! Well I've got this berth and this pull down blind I've got this fold up sink And these rocks and these cactus going by And a bottle of German wine to drink Settle down into the clickety clack With the clouds and the stars to read Dreaming of the pleasure I'm going to have Watching you get impeached You UGLY MAN!!!!! Oh, sour grapes and hell on earth because you won the election! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:47:22 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: take 2- NYTimes.com: Mayor C. Ray Nagin's Interview NJC Oh sorry my last post came through weird... here is a better version... It is a link to the entire interview... listen to the mp3... (you'll have to register with the nytimes but it is free to do so) http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/02/national/nationalspecial/02TEXT-NAGIN.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 15:01:45 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: NJC News Flash - Homos to Blame! Ye olde self-righteous aire-head says in the first sentence: "PHILADELPHIA - Just days before "Southern Decadence", an annual homosexual celebration attracting tens of thousands of people to the French Quarters section of New Orleans, Hurricane Katrina destroys the city. " Seems to me, if God hates queers so much, why didn't She wait until they were IN the city to unleash the disaster. Could've wiped out 125,000 of those sinners all at once (if lightening bolts are too much trouble these days). Maybe She was saving them! Unfortunately, this kind of tripe is not reserved for small-minded bible thumpers. I heard a program host on the local left-leaning radio station saying it was probably Mother Nature punishing the south for supporting Bush! By drowning the poor black folks? Same simplistic idiocy. RR Bob Muller wrote: > "Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a wicked city" > > http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html > > Darn those homos! > > Bob, in a total state of confusion, because if I pray for the situation, ain't I talking to same deity that caused the mess in the first place? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 15:26:51 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: MIchael Moore's letter Laura asked:> The question where are our helicopters and why weren't there air drops of supplies right after the hurricane? are THE questions I have been asking too. We live just south of the largest army base in Arkansas, and I haven't seen nor heard any helicopters... I did when the war started. < Many of the helicopters are in Iraq. My friend in Montana says all of his state's helicopters (used for fighting fires which by the way is the beginning of a potentially very bad fire season) save one that is broken are in Iraq (a way GWB figured he could wage this war on the cheap). Then there is this: "On Wednesday reporters listening to horrific stories of death and survival at the Biloxi Junior High School shelter looked north across Irish Hill Road and saw Air Force personnel playing basketball and performing calisthenics." An editorial in The Sun Herald in Biloxi, Miss It is plain as day that this government is being run by callous idiots. It is time that bush supporters have the courage to take a look at how flawed this administration is & stop making excuses. This is not about hindsight this is about RIGHT NOW. Two days ago the head of FEMA said he didn't know about the conditions at the Convention Center! The president of this country said "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees." HUH?! I learned about this situation last weekend & even posted to this list a snippet of what I had read regarding the destruction potential from this hurricane. How come I knew but Bush didn't???????????????????????????????????????????? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:50:46 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC News Flash - Homos to Blame! Bob wrote : > "Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed > a wicked city" > I heard about that on the radio yesterday, and Randy is right! If God wanted to destroy the wicked homos, he/she would have waited until this weekend of the annual "Southern Decadence" instead of last weekend. Also, God wouldn't have had a hurricane to destory an entire city. He/She would have just struck a bolt of lightening on just the sinners. Just more of the religious bullshit !!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 19:11:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: MIchael Moore's letter - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > Two days ago the head of FEMA said he didn't know > about the conditions at > the Convention Center! The president of this > country said "I don't think > anyone anticipated the breach of the levees." > > HUH?! I learned about this situation last weekend & > even posted to this > list a snippet of what I had read regarding the > destruction potential from > this hurricane. > > How come I knew but Bush > didn't???????????????????????????????????????????? You know how to read. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 19:18:00 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Bush's guitar, njc In a message dated 9/3/2005 3:13:44 P.M. Central rr>here is Bush at a photo-op with his new custom-made guitar with inlaid presidential seal. Even beginners will recognize his fingering-a G chord.....on the wrong fret. _http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/fiddles.jpg_ (http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/fiddles.jpg) < Kate wrote: lol, finally. Look at the (guitar tech? teacher?) behind him... quite worried at what mr b is doing whilst oblivious... Hi Kate and Randy, Thanks for the laugh!! Looks to me like he is flipping himself off. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 16:39:24 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NJC News Flash - Homos to Blame! Yup I read a similar rant in our local paper. Interesting irony is that the French quarter, host to all those 'sinful' activities, remains relatively undamaged. By the logic of those crazed Christians I guess god loves parties, sex, bars & voodoo shops. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 19:49:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Darice Subject: More on Moore's letter (NJC) Air Force One touched down at Naval Air Station North Island Monday. The president and first lady Laura Bush arrived at the Coronado base about 4:30 p.m. following brief stops earlier in the day in Ontario, Calif., and Arizona. The president did not speak to reporters, who were hoping he might say something about Hurricane Katrina. SURVEY Should President George W. Bush be in the Southwest drumming up support for his policies while Hurricane Katrina batters the Gulf Coast? Yes No Results | Disclaimer Several military officials met the president before he was escorted to the Hotel Del Coronado in a presidential limousine. The president and first lady spent the night there. Following the address, the president paid a visit to the Naval Medical Center San Diego in Balboa Park. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was also in San Diego Monday. Rumsfeld hung out with the boys of summer at Petco Park, watching the Padres game from a skybox. Earlier Monday, Rumsfeld met with 1,000 soldiers and civilians at the national training center in Fort Irwin, where he awarded Purple Hearts. POSTED: 6:15 pm PDT August 29, 2005 UPDATED: 3:51 pm PDT August 30, 2005 Hey, Bree, Even more information, speculation from news sources, WHILE Bush and Rumsfeld were in San Diego...questioning why the highest level of the government was ignoring the disaster on the Gulf Coast. Honoring our dead and not even on the "real" anniversary....!!!!! Two weeks later than the date of the surrender and celebrating Macarthur's arrival in Japan as the occupation force. Where are the Seabees (construction battalions) who regularly meet for their two week trainings in the Gulf Coast area and know the area and have the skills to operate equipment,etc, where are the helicopters (which could have landed in the open space next to the Superdome), with food and water, where, where, where,???? The president even refused help from Germany, assuring the world that the US could take care of it's own??? WHERE WAS THIS CARE??????? Did it take this long to rescue those who lived next to the WTC? No, it didn't. Darice + ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 17:07:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Shea Subject: re: (NJC) - Political Content and RT - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Hi Debra, and welcome back - I've definitely missed > you, I was hoping that my comment about the upcoming > Richard Thompson concert in Greenville would cast a > spell and bring you back, I'm glad it did and I take > full credit. Yes, that was the positive spark! After that I just couldn't stay away! Do you have Richard's new cd yet, Front Parlor Ballads? It's mostly acoustic and recorded in his garage when he had the time. He just keeps on going, creating in every way imaginable. He hates bootlegs or tape trading of any kind (but of course his die hard fans do it anyway, quietly), and now he's releasing cds of his earlier concerts, which is really great since he's most impressive when you see him in person, as you and a few others here have discovered. I don't have his new cd yet (I'm seriously slacking in my new cd buying), but have heard that it's really weird and rather disappointing at first, but that it seeps in and then won't let go... reminds me of many people's reaction to Hejira. He'll probably play several of those tunes at the show you're going to see. > Pravda of this administration.> > > How true - I went into a Subway sandwich shop and > bad enough that they had a TV in there (I really > don't require a TV in EVERY building I walk into) > but it was on Fox "News". Before I ordered a > sandwich, I told the kid behind the counter that I > really needed to change the channel because Fox > makes me lose my appetite and that's bad for his > business. LOL! very good! much better than gettin' all "political" about it. Forget that, and just exploit the kid's ingrained capitalistic impulses. Everyone here has them, to some degree. > Republicans traditionally believe in "small > government." This administration apparently believes > in "no government" and, with the huge tax breaks for > the corporations and the few extremely wealthy > people, > have managed to starve the government as quickly as > they can. > > > Except when it comes to BIG INTRUSIVE SELF-SERVING > government, like the Patriot Act, right? Strange, isn't it? The current Republicans have forgotten their party's basic philosophy of keeping government "off people's backs", paying- as-you-go fiscal responsibility, and keeping the U.S. nose out of other country's business. But they are doing their usual Republican "big business good, worker concerns bad" routine. Earlier Repubs managed to keep in mind that if workers here don't have the money to buy anything, big business is then in trouble too. This "grab it all" administration doesn't have a clue about that. And then there are all the pseudo-scientists supported by conservative groups that come up with things like, "oh, there's no proof of global warming," and "Let's teach creationism (and now call it intelligent design) because we think it's equal to Darwin's theory" and "HUGE deficit, China's our biggest lender, no problem Prez." Those are the shills Bush relies on. I don't recall previous Repubs being so anti-science, and so unwilling to listen to real, widely respected experts. If all this wasn't potentially deadly to most of us, I'd find such nuttiness very interesting. Debra Shea P.S. Bob, please post a review of Richard's show and his new cd, if you have it. I'd be happy to read about both. And I'm glad to hear about Fluor's efforts -- there's no doubt about the generosity of people here, sometimes even when they're stretched to the limit themselves. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 17:30:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Shea Subject: Re: More on Moore's letter (NJC) - --- Darice wrote: > [On day after Katrina] > Several military officials met the president before > he was escorted to the Hotel Del Coronado in a > presidential limousine. The president and first lady > spent the night there. And was there a dinner or party with financial supporters? Probably, because Bush always ties his fundraising trips to some bit of government business so that taxpayers pay for the trip. Not necessarily a bad idea, except that Bush does it A LOT! So, was he given the guitar at that serious, two-week late, "honoring the dead" event, or at a party? Looks like a party to me, and no one parties with Bush without turning over some cash. The three people he's friendly with already have government jobs. The media might mention the fundraiser part of a trip, but doesn't report on the private parties because it doesn't have access to them, so it's only the public activities that get in the news. Add sneaky to Bush's other repulsive qualities. Michael Moore was once again telling the truth. Debra Shea, signing off for the weekend Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 03:07:50 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: More on Moore's letter (NJC) Oh, my! I guess I must refrain myself from saying anything on the USA's government... I don't want to offend anybody. My thoughts are with all the people horrified at situation: thousands and thousands so far away from their homes, don't knowing when they could return,... and so many thousands too caught in this nightmare that is the beloved New Orleans these days! Let me say one thing: Is there anybody that can be, at least very very slightly, surprised at the ravage and violence actings they're happening now in NO? Seriously? As JPSartre says: "L'enfer, ce sont les autres": that's why we always must try to stay together: there shouldn't be others in the world: only a rich, varied, manycoloured, 6,464,322,120 WE, Nosotros, Noi, Nous, Wir... All Together Now! Emiliano NPimH: Come Together ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 03:08:24 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Nothing wrong with BSN, NJC now Amen to that, Mister! !!! BTW: what is "Jakob the Liar"? You know, the Magi still come every Epiphany day in Spain to bring toys and presents to ev'ry people, but that reference really arouses my curiosity, you know... Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Darrell Scott, John Cowan and Pat Flynn: All ALong the Watchtower 2005/9/3, Bob Muller : > > > Nothing wrong with BSN at all; in fact it may be one of a handful of "perfect" songs in terms of its structure. Three verses, each similar but each one building textually/emotionally to the next. A chorus that also varies and musically complements the sonics of the verse in flawless fashion. BECAUSE of its perfection as a popular song, many many many people did it who had no business doing it (or anything, for that matter). When a lame performer does anything, it'll be lame. > > If a lame cast did "Jakob the Liar" and their performance stunk, you wouldn't blame the script, would you? > > Bob > > NP: Death Cab For Cutie, "No Joy In Mudville" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 03:10:01 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Did you "wind up fixing dinner"? NJC > I would very much like to know how was the French food at the fest. What did you guys eat? Please, please let me know. Someone?... > > Love, > > Nuri > Love, Nuri! Well, I'd like to chime in such a frivoulous theme (hey excuse me but I need frivolity) although I'm maybe the least qualified to do a report on these: not only I don't know exactly what I've eaten in that salads but I've also missed first noon meal (I was having a very needed sleep at Garrett's bed... of course he was at the big table, meanwhile) The thing is: I love to travel, and one of things I really enjoy is having the opportunity to taste new meals: different flavours, strange imaginations... It's Culture! Well, I think the most accurate report on this Jonifest meals (apart from DearLieve's on the Fruits of the Garden) is Lucy's "Snail and nettle pate! Fennel with a lot of things, plenty of plums, very nice cheese in a black wax coat, some to-die-for camembert and a brie that should not be aloud out on its own..." Humm, you know that snail and nettle pate' was very kindly and successfully brought to us by Lieve herself (Thanks Lieve for this, too!!!) and was served in the only "aperitif" of these days, with a couple or so of more things: fried corn and olives... wich to my surprise weren't touched at ll by many festers: don't you love Olives?!? Aceitunas! The meals... There was always very Magnificients salads for starter: with plates and plates lettuce, potatoes, allioli... of many other vegetables and sauces whose name I can't remember in English (maybe nor in Spanish, too :-) I'll never forget our horror look when at first dinner we did see appear the cheese plate: "That's all?" "..and where's the meal?"... You know wine is nourishing so... the rest is already told (or not...) by better listers than me. Next dinner we have Lamb plus salad'n cheese. Dessert: a delicious and dark tinted fruit salad from these memorable mulberries fruits... oh my! The next noon meal was the greatest for the youngest: Chicken! Of course it was very yummy (don't get me started in its origin, please). There was an urgent message from cook: we could only have one piece so evrybody could get his/her chance. BTW did someone get a piece of the chicken's breast - pechuga? That night... after the salad and the cheese I didn't want to taste the fish: you know, at home, we ate fish some 5 times a week (not counting sea food) but I profoundly dismiss *simply* boiled fish: that's not for me. When the apple pie came in, I almost jumped in it, you know... I guess the problem with meals was that the definetively Beautiful and Charming site's kitchen isn't prepared to cook for so many hungry people and maybe they exceed of some optimism... and "we do it all ourselves" attitude. I mean, if you've got one single little oven, you can bring from next village's bakery a couple of tasty'n big meat-pies "empanadas" to make people feel more filled and happy. Well, I've said it. As I've already told, that wasn't of many importance... but it's no wonder I was always the first one to arrive at breakfast's table, he he he Ah, Many Thanks to the Royal Family for the chocolate and cookies, of course! Sooooo Happily Yours: Emiliano PS: there's a lot of more things I'd love to talk now (that plastic bag in American Beauty, for instance) but that's right for now NP: Anita Gabrielle: (Your Love) Takes Me Back ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 03:17:20 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: More on Moore's letter (NJC) and ah, Debra! It's Very Very Great to read from you again!!! Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 21:33:41 -0400 From: vince Subject: Without Sanctuary njc Working on something else I reviewed the website for an exhibit that I saw in July, Without Sanctuary. http://withoutsanctuary.org/ It is not about the events of the last week in New Orleans but yet, in a way, it is exactly about that. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 21:31:02 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: VMA's/Vince Mike, I have not had time sooner to answer this, sorry. Since you have my name in the thread title, I feel I have to respond, and so let me as humbly as I can suggest that your knowledge of rap music, based on your description, is not very extensive and seems based on what sounds more like Victoria Secret commercials than anything else. Sure there are some songs and it seems to your point videos that are as you say. This is hardly new to music, unless you believe that the Beatles "fish and finger pie" was not about girl's crotches. Hey, if someone wants to believe that Mama's got a squeeze box, Daddy likes to play at night is an ode to accordion musicians, that's fine by me. Maybe "Brown Sugar" really is about... brown sugar and the ode to cinnamon is coming soon. We seem to have come at age at about the same time, as I too vividly remember the Beatles first appearance on Ed Sullivan , my father said to turn it off, I said no (the first time I ever said "no" to him) and that was a one-step entrance into generational conflict. If you characterize the music of that day as "the saturation of love songs" than we listened to different radio stations. But it does depend on context, surely. I used to work in foster care with abused children, part of the job was transporting them to parental visits, counseling, etc., and the "love songs" of the 60s took on a sinister tone when we had "classic rock" (oh, the sweet innocent music) on in the car. When you are driving the child or teen aged victim of rape, incest, or other, imagine how "young girl, get out of my mind, my love for you is way out of line, you better run, girl..." sounds. Or "she was just seventeen and you know what I mean." Or "young girl, you're a woman now." Or "hey little girl, comb your hair, fix your make-up, time to get ready for love." That is when one is not listening to songs about violence. "Met her in the mountains, there I took her life.. stabbed her with my knife." "I shot the sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy." (And that song I have no use for, in that my cousin, a deputy, was blown away in the line of duty and whether Marley or Clapton sing it, it is not a cheerful subject - as their song is.) And when you take children from their crack addicted parents, the fun of all the drug songs loses its joy... or was White Rabbit really about Alice in Wonderland and "she blew my nose and then she blew my mind" is about a nurse with a kleenex and a fascinating story of new developments in vitamin therapy. I mean, really. The music of any day is not sweet and innocent unlike the dirty music of today. yes, you have become your father, which involves a healthy dose of selective memory of one own's day. Lighting, indeed, strikes again. During yet another 2 Live Crew controversy, the announcer (and I unfortunately forget who) on a classical musical station that I was listening to commented that if 2 Live Crew had simply sung the same lyrics in Italian or German, it would be hailed as classical and played on his station... and then he played great excerpts of fun operas (Norma, killing one's children; Aida, treason; Madama Butterfly, colonial exploitation and illegitimate children and suicide; and the Ring Cycle, that all time Wagnerian fun fest of incest, bestiality, racism, and murder). 2 Live Crew's songs about hairy women and bald women seemed so tame in comparison. Of course the complaint back in the day was the political lyrics of rap, be it NWA or Tupac or whoever. I do not defend every thing in rap as I cannot with any form of music. I think there is much I would recommend about rap. I suggest the Roots, Phrenology a good album to start with. Catch the MTV five part history of rap next time they show it (tape it, tivo it, whatever), check out the Chuck D interview on the Commonwealth Club (did you listen to it a few months back when I but the link up?). Dare to be different than Dad and take the time to know the music. And me being me, check out the MTV hour long studies of Eminem. I love seeing the My name is video - his ode to leave it to Beaver cracks me up every time. I am attaching a link to a simple history of hip hop/rap (I disagree with the author of this site because I think there is a difference between the two just as I can distinguish the San Francisco psychedelic rock from heavy metal) but overall it has good resources on it and is well written. http://www.jahsonic.com/Rap.html I must alert that it does begin with an interesting picture of Lil Kim. Proof that rap is forcing naked wimmin on us - but she shows nothing, unlike Joni hanging her ass out in an album, or Janis Joplin who was proud of how good her breasts looked in that famous nude shot, Lil Kim is as sedate as Sally Rand - suggestive, nothing direct. As for your comment: "Is this the black man throwing it in the white face? You tell me." I can only reply: I can't respond to that, I cannot tell you anything there. I do not have enough knowledge of you to understand the overtones of your statement; it sounds rather frightening to me, frankly, but that may be because I do not know you to know the context in which you mean that. In these days when it takes the federal government six days to get to a hospital and a convention center to bring food and water and rescue to people living in a cess pool, I suggest that the next wave of rap political commentary is going to be very angry. Vince Mike and Alice Hicks wrote: >Vince, >I can understand your point clearly. I love all kinds of music myself and I >was there in the living room with my Dad watching the Beatles on Ed Sullivan. >Communists, bunch of junk, etc. was his take on all this and still is. He is >veteran of WWII so I just kept my musical feelings to myself. I figured he >deserved to vent his position. But I must admit, the rap thing does bother me >some. I try. I even like Coolio's song he put out a few years ago as he >talked about the ghetto life and and how tough it is. I really can appreciate >that. But what I don't get is why the crotches of girls have to be thrown in >our faces on tv. I have children that I cannot allow them to think that >behavior is okay. Is this what the mini skirt of the 60's/70's evolved to? I >don't know. I just know what I see.....arrogance, pimp, money hungry, >grabbin' all they can grab and throwing it in your face. Is this the black >man throwing it in the white face? You tell me. I try to like it because I >am a music lover. But there has to be more than the same old thing to talk >about. All of a sudden the saturation of love songs doesn't seem so bad. Did >I grow up to be my Dad? > >Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:37:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Now just RT content I'll definitely post about the show, it's not until November so you'll have to be patient. I don't have the latest RT release, but I should. Radio Paradise has played one or two songs from it and I like them a bunch, so I should pick it up. Thanks for reminding me. Bob NP: Keane, "Your Eyes Open" - --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:43:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Nothing wrong with BSN, NJC now It's the play that Nuriel wrote, based on the novel by Jurek Becker: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1106191073177 So much talent in our midst... Bob NP: Ozomatli, "Timido" (oh, this sounds like a Spanish party, Emiliano...Baile!) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:49:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: NJC News Flash - Homos to Blame! - --- Kate wrote: > By the logic of those crazed Christians > I guess god loves > parties, sex, bars & voodoo shops. Isn't it also interesting to note that Jesus, aka The Son of God, chose to hang out with the sinners, not with the self-righteous hypocrites. And we all know what Jesus had to say about queers. What a day. I have been hobbling around the Boston area since 8:30 this morning, and then I came home to so many great posts. Thanks. Debra Shea! How nice to see you back here. If your ears have been ringing lately, it's because another JMDLer and I were bemoaning your absence just a few days ago. Thanks for posting the White House phone number. I meant to post that number here when I called on Thursday to tell the misguided soul who answered that no president has ever angered and embarrassed me more than W. I'm sure she never actually gave him the message, but I had to do something. (Maybe she told Karl Rove and he told GWB that I called to complain about the cancellation of Decadence Weekend.) I also called my state senators -- Kennedy and Kerry ... not exactly the ones to complain to, I know -- and urged them not to let the issue of GWB's incompetence and overall scary behavior die. The right's decades-long divide-and-conquer crap has been working brilliantly up to Hurricane Katrina. But now, I think it's time to take back the heart and soul of America, which truly is much, much greater than the sum of a bunch of greedy fascists and their idiotic people-and-planet-killing policies. Speaking of the media -- whose 'performers' have become every bit as embarrassing as most of the pols they cover -- here's what Camille Paglia had to say about them yesterday: "But to ask for powers of scientific or sociological analysis from the preening parrots currently infesting American media is a pointless exercise. The time is long gone when American broadcasting could draw on the talents of foreign correspondents who honed their skills during the Second World War. Edward R Murrow, Eric Sevareid, Howard K Smith, and Walter Cronkite had a gravitas and stoic deliberativeness that seem a million miles away from the flirty smirkiness of the airheaded moppets and gym-sculpted pretty boys who now harangue us from the TV screen." The entire article is here: http://comment.independent.co.uk/commentators/article309925.ece And thanks, Mama Parlette, for your post. How radical of you to love your children enough to speak out against a president who would love to throw them into the hell of his unwinnable war. I hope that kind of crazy behavior catches on in this country. - --Smurf ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 22:27:12 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Michael Moore's letter NJC > And nobody can disagree that because of the war, our rescue resources > have been very limited and our people in New Orleans are dying as a result. Actually, I think my friend Sharon in Philly (another Joni fan who isn't a member of this list) said it best: *"Yup. I've been saying it's just like AIDS during Reagan.* *Don't lift a finger--all the right people are dying."* Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 22:32:35 -0400 From: vince Subject: sorry for no tag last post should have had njc in it, sorry, I was going to add it and forgot Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 22:40:02 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: (NJC) Letter from Michael Moore Kate wrote, to Bree: > It is not as simple as you think. That's it in a nutshell, really. Both sides (all sides) accuse each other of simplistic thought. We're all guilty of it (myself included). We have the luxury of doing it, while not living the lives of those we judge (the president included). We ALL need to take a step back and think about that, and then take a step forward and do what we can to help. Not just today, not just for this tragedy, but everyday and to prevent future tragedies. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 22:49:51 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: MIchael Moore's letter This was written by Terry Toedt, who left before Katrina hit. He's responding to the question of why more people didn't leave the danger zone: You're right, but to be perfectly fair, you have to look at things from the spectrum of prospective that we, who live here, see. First, there are, in the affected area, several hundred thousand people who could not leave because their health issues or financial issues prohibited them from doing so. One who sucks on oxygen to survive, who is bed-ridden, or is severely incapacitated, cannot just "up and leave". To do so would require a level of Civil support that is not available, anywhere in our country. There are many in the South (as well as the rest of the country) who live from paycheck to paycheck. They do not have any money for a hotel room, the gas required to drive 3 or 4 hundred miles, and not even the money required to feed themselves, and their families, on the way and back. There are a few shelters available that would feed them, and even provide some level of medical care, but there is no place where those people can find that information, nor could they get there. Remember, these people probably have no access or understanding of the Internet, nor do they have another avenue of information available to them. Many do not have any form of transportation, as well. Second, you have the problem of consistent "false alarms". Most of the people on the Coast have followed the "Mandatory Evacuation" orders many times. Many have done it a dozen, or two, times. Only to find that it was completely unnecessary. But, because the storm hit somewhere between where your home is, and where you went, a major expense (and major pain in the ass) was required just to get back home. Back home, where nothing had happened but sunshine and summer showers. Some of us have the money, and (very importantly) friends, to keep on evacuating and (even more importantly, get back quickly).... most don't. Third, when you evacuate you know that one of two things will happen; there will be nothing that happens, or absolute chaos. In the most likely event that nothing happens, you also know that, due to the emergency requirements of the community, "your stuff" is less protected. But, even worse, if something does happen, "your stuff" will very likely be completely unprotected, and looters will be everywhere. But, even worse yet, you also know that, because it is "your stuff", your property will be completely undamaged, but because they (the authorities) won't allow you to return, the looters will get it all. Some months hence, you will return to a perfectly preserved house or apartment, and EVERYTHING will be gone. This is the kind of thing that goes through your mind. Self-preservation is great, but there comes a point where we think we are sacrificing for nothing more than the CYA tactics by some low level bureaucrat. This time, Linda and I were still blessed in that we could afford to bail, which allowed us to leave "our stuff". But, by far, most of those who live in the Deep South, could not continue to do so. Since we are now essentially "homeless" and "jobless" we may not be able to dodge the next one, if we elect to stay in this area. The bottom line, rightly or wrongly, is that poverty in the U.S. can often be a death sentence. (c) Terry K. Toedt 31 August 2005 http://8thwood.com/terry_toedt.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 23:06:01 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: NJC News Flash - Homos to Blame! > Isn't it also interesting to note that Jesus, aka The > Son of God, chose to hang out with the sinners, not > with the self-righteous hypocrites. If Jesus were visible to the random eye today (I won't say, "If Jesus were alive today" because that's sure to start an argument), he would piss off the radicial "religious" right wing nuts so much, he would be ... Crucified. Since we don't use a cross for to perform executions anymore, though, everyone would instead start wearing neckaces with little gold lethal injection beds dangling from them. Wouldn't that be lovely? (Wish I could claim credit, but it's something that comic Suzanne Westenhoefer suggested. I think she said the charms would be electric chairs or gas chambers or somesuch. Whatever, you get the idea.) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 23:16:12 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: NJC News Flash - Homos to Blame! -- Hmm ... Hey, I've got a question: What if you're a homo who voted for Bush? Would you still be to blame? 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