From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #334 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, September 1 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 334 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JoniFest 2005 (SJC?) [Lucatello Adriano ] Re: New Orleans Update-njc [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Incredible ["Kate Bennett" ] Katrina and the waves NJC ["mike pritchard" ] re: Neil Young as Joni's archivist [Smurf ] Re: Incredible -- njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: PBS: Best news coverage of Katrina? njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Smurfy's owies njc [Catherine McKay ] Did you "wind up fixing dinner"? [Nuriel Tobias ] re: Neil Young as Joni's archivist [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #249 ["Mark Tatum" ] When the levee breaks, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Contributions to Paz - njc ["Les Irvin" ] Good news: St. Charles Parish, a summary njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] more French fest pictures up! njc [ReckersL@ebrd.com] Re: Good news: St. Charles Parish, a summary njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: When the levee breaks, njc [Catherine McKay ] re:Good news: St. Charles Parish, a summary njc [michael@thepazgroup.com] RE: When the levee breaks, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Jonifest in France and more ["John van Tiel" ] louisiana ............(njc) ["ron" ] Re: louisiana ............(njc) [cindy vickery ] Re: Prez on New Orleans., njc [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni As A Baby, (and as a lesbian) [Bob Muller ] Re: When the levee breaks, njc [Bob Muller ] From Lisa Haley: Louisiana Hurricane Relief Concert [michael@thepazgroup.] Re: Katrina and the waves NJC [Lori Fye ] Re: Katrina and the waves NJC ["gene mock" ] But be prepared to bleed [Bob Muller ] Re: But be prepared to bleed [Em ] Hurricane Katrina - animals are people too [Patti Witten ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:03:02 +0200 From: Lucatello Adriano Subject: Re: JoniFest 2005 (SJC?) On 1 Sep 2005, at 03:32, Catherine McKay wrote: > > > I would love to go to Italy but I'm afraid the France > thing is probably the one-and-only trip of a lifetime > for me and that my travelling days are over for a > while. But, you never know. If I should come into some > money (winning a lottery maybe?), then Italy is > certainly a place I've always wanted to go. > Thanks for the compliments, we share the same feelings about you and your family. I am sorry to hear about your, hopefully temporary, impossibility of travelling, I do hope you win the lottery soon... ;) but I am glad we were able to meet at least once (for the time being), keep on rehearsing though... we shall miss your Joni's songs. Adriano, Licia and Marta > > Catherine > Toronto > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:27:08 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: New Orleans Update-njc It would be lovely if any JMDLer could help out those effected by the hurricane and it's heartwarming to see the sympathies pouring in from around the world but, my anger is not only towards George W. Bush but here in my own city are the CEOs from nearly every major company in the world having a week-long conference at the Sydney Opera House. As I have said, it has been a top news story here but there has not been one word on any assistance or even any sympathies expressed from a single CEO (including Steve Forbes himself). Just analysis of the effect it will have on world oil prices. Is losing your sense of compassion a pre-requisite to being promoted to CEO or is it the job that steals it away? My two cents. Mark in Sydney NP Salva Mea - Faithless ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 00:58:55 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Incredible >While he was there he checked us out as well and my home is intact. Once again I find that I am blessed beyond any words that I can put together.< HOORAY! Where & how is jack? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:38:52 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Katrina and the waves NJC Interesting story in today's Guardian (link below). Here are three extracts. Best wishes to Paz and anyone else affected by Katrina. http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1560149,00.html This president, who flew away on Monday to fundraisers in the west while the hurricane blew away entire towns in coastal Mississippi, is very much his father's son when it comes to the kinds of emergencies that used to call forth immediate White House action before its Bushite captivity. When he was president, his father did not visit Miami after Hurricane Andrew, nor for that matter, did he mind being photographed tooling his golf cart around Kennebunkport while American troops died in the first Iraq war. Now the younger Bush seems determined to show his successors how to holiday through an apocalypse... As for the Superdome refugees, it finally fell to the governor of Texas to announce that they could come to Houston's Astrodome. What other American president, one wonders, would fail to house these people in the decent barracks available at the closed and active military bases scattered throughout the South? The plain fact is that Jimmy Carter did a better job of housing the Mariel refugees from Cuba than Bush has done with the citizens of New Orleans... The church-going cultural populism of George Bush has given the United States an administration that worries about the house of Saud and the welfare of oil companies while the poor drown in their attics and their sons and daughters die on foreign deserts. (c) Howell Raines. The writer is the former editor of the New York Times and author of a memoir, The One That Got Away, to be published by Scribners in May 2006. mike in bcn NP Anita - Wounded and Healing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 03:55:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: re: Neil Young as Joni's archivist - --- Smurf wrote: > The lyrics: > > THE PAINTER > > The painter stood > before her work > She looked around every where > She saw the pictures and she painted them > She picked the colors from the air > > green to green > red to red > yellow to yellow > in the light > black to black > when the evening comes > blue to blue > in the night > > It's a long road > behind me > It's a long road > ahead > > If you follow every dream > You might get lost > If you follow every dream > You might > get > lost. > > She towed the line > She held her end up > She did the work of too many > But in the end > She fell down > Before she got up again > > I keep my friends eternally > We leave our tracks in the sound > Some of them are with me now > Some of them can't be found > > It's a long road behind me > and I miss you now > > If you follow every dream > you might get lost > If you follow every dream > you might > get > lost. > > -- neil young, 2005. > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 06:58:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Incredible -- njc - --- Smurf wrote: > > --- Catherine wrote: > > > I never realized Lake Pontchartrain was that big. > > > Honey, Paz hears that one ALL the time. > > --Bob > I knew something like that was coming. I just wasn't sure if it would be from you, or someone else. Touche, you old fart! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 07:03:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: PBS: Best news coverage of Katrina? njc > --- Jimmy wrote: > They > > will show an African American > > family with food from the grocery store (who are > > starving) and make it as they > > are looting. When I saw a white family taking food > > from a flooding grocery > > store, they made it as if this was a poor family > > just trying to stay alive. --- Smurf wrote: > Makes me want to hurl! And I've got evidence, as > Lily > Tomlin used to say: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/firewall/38725768/ > > White America really sucks sometimes. OK, so should they allow the food to go bad and then hang around waiting for relief workers? I don't have a problem with people "looting" for food in those situations. Does anyone? Grr. > --Smurf, who has thrown away his Dickensian crutch > and > will be limping back to work tomorrow for the first > time in three weeks. > That's great news, but you should hang onto the crutch anyway to use as a sympathy bid when you need it. Also, with the crutch and an eyepatch, and the ability to pronounce, "ARRRrrrr," you'd make a very cute pirate. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 04:12:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: PBS: Best news coverage of Katrina? njc - --- About my getting rid of my crutch, Catherine wrote: << That's great news, but you should hang onto the crutch anyway to use as a sympathy bid when you need it. Also, with the crutch and an eyepatch, and the ability to pronounce, "ARRRrrrr," you'd make a very cute pirate. >> I am one step ahead of you, you wise old crone. I got out my cane for those sympathy bids/sudden soft-shoe routines. And as I discussed last night over dinner with Jody and That Guy, my pirate sound is more like "AHHHhhhhh" with my Boston accent. It's all moot anyway, because when anyone touches my broken shoulder I break just like a little girl. - --Smurf ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:04:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni As A Baby, (and as a lesbian) I wonder what awaits Joni in her next life. Will she be cursed or blessed? Will one day i'd cross the street and see a child that was once Joni? All i know is that in my next life i want to be a tree. Love, Nuri Marianne Rizzo wrote: Hi Nuri and Em and all, I remember hearing Joni say once that she feels that she was a man in every life before this one. . that this was the first time she was a woman. . somhow this thought feels linked here. Marianne >From: Em >Subject: RE: Joni As A Baby, (and as a lesbian) >well, I guess a woman who sees guitar strings in the sky can imagine >any old other thing she fancies too...maybe she'd want to be a gay >cowboy or gay black man..that way she could still have her "cake" and >eat it too! _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 11:14:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Smurfy's owies njc - --- Smurf wrote: > when anyone touches my broken > shoulder I break just like a little girl. > OMG, I didn't realize you had broken your shoulder too. It hurts just thinking about it. I hope that gets better really soon. If anyone hurts you, they'll have to answer to me, dammit! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:19:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Did you "wind up fixing dinner"? I would very much like to know how was the French food at the fest. What did you guys eat? Please, please let me know. Someone?... Love, Nuri - --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:15:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: re: Neil Young as Joni's archivist Thanks, Smurf. Reminds me of the few beautiful songs Joni wrote about painting and how many colours she blessed us with. Love, Nuri Smurf wrote: - --- Smurf wrote: > The lyrics: > > THE PAINTER > > The painter stood > before her work > She looked around every where > She saw the pictures and she painted them > She picked the colors from the air > > green to green > red to red > yellow to yellow > in the light > black to black > when the evening comes > blue to blue > in the night > > It's a long road > behind me > It's a long road > ahead > > If you follow every dream > You might get lost > If you follow every dream > You might > get > lost. > > She towed the line > She held her end up > She did the work of too many > But in the end > She fell down > Before she got up again > > I keep my friends eternally > We leave our tracks in the sound > Some of them are with me now > Some of them can't be found > > It's a long road behind me > and I miss you now > > If you follow every dream > you might get lost > If you follow every dream > you might > get > lost. > > -- neil young, 2005. > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 10:12:13 -0500 From: "Mark Tatum" Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #249 Here is a image link that shows what New Orleans looks like right now. http://www.digitalglobe.com/images/katrina/new_orleans_msi_aug31_2005_dg.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:24:03 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: When the levee breaks, njc PBS said New Orleans' levee system was designed by the Army Corps of Engineers to survive a Category 3 hurricane. As usual, engineers know their stuff. (Katrina was a category 4.) Jim Covington, KY, US ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:33:48 -0400 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Contributions to Paz - njc Joniphiles - A number of people have expressed concern about the PayPal system of donations. To clarify, you DO NOT need a PayPal account and you do not need to be in the US to make a donation this way. Once you click the link at http://jmdl.com, those without a PayPal account can click the "If you do not currently have a PayPal account..." button and proceed that way. If you simply don't want to do it that way but still want to contribute... you can send a check to me (payable to Michael Paz) and I'll get it to him. It's uncertain where he will be and if there will even be mail delivery once he gets home, thus my co-ordination of the mailings. My address: Les Irvin 662 Crosstrail Dr Colorado Springs, CO 80906 USA Many thanks to everyone who has contributed so far. Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:49:54 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Good news: St. Charles Parish, a summary njc According to the Parish govenment, 1. There's been no looting in St. Charles Parish. 2. Running water is still okay in some areas of the Parish; other areas are under a "Boil Order". That implies that water is running though. 3. Although this doesn't affect Michael's kids, the public schools are intact and ready to open the minute electricity is restored. The bad news is the electricity is off, apparently in the whole Parish. Details are at the link which Kate found the other day: http://www.stcharlesgov.net/ Sincerely, Jim L'Hommedieu Covington, KY, US ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 13:10:17 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: When the levee breaks, njc > PBS said New Orleans' levee system was designed by the Army Corps of > Engineers to survive a Category 3 hurricane. As usual, engineers know their > stuff. (Katrina was a category 4.) > > Jim > Covington, KY, US > Not the whole story, Jim. The project was designed to be a ten year one and funded at 750 million dollars. Bush slashed the last phase of the project in 2003 from 250 million to 10 million. What would he have done for a blue state??????????? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:12:23 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: more French fest pictures up! njc What a wonderful combination: a "back-to-the-garden basics" fest, in an almost midieval-feeling France, and then being able to share it through the miracles of technology! We know each other through the internet, and we can share our memories and photos through the same internet - how wonderful! And when I did not know how to upload my photos, I called Ashara in another continent (which costs less than calling the other side of this country) and she very kindly talked me through it as if she was sitting in the room with me! Yes, this is the best of both worlds. So this is just to say that I have managed to put my French jonifest photos on Chris Marshall's Hatstand site http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/v/JoniMitchell/jonifest2005/ and I hope you will enjoy it. Just a few warnings: 1) It may take long to get the full picture to come up, when you click on the small version. Some people with slow connections may not actually be able to do this at all and will just have to stick to the thumbnail versions. 2) I regret that by accident my camera had the automatic datemarking option switched on. I feel these dates are way too big and almost ruin certain pictures. 3) I failed to take pictures of quite a few performances after the first day. Sorry, I certainly enjoyed them and treasure the memories. I also remember someone was asking about photos of Randall with hair half shaven (by Strings). Well, I'm glad to say I have pictures of before, mid-way and after, as marked up in the captions. I hope yo enjoy them. Looking forward very much to Les, Catherine, Martin and Laurent (and anybody else?) also doing their photo updates, Lieve in London. ______________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:37:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Good news: St. Charles Parish, a summary njc - --- "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" wrote: > According to the Parish govenment, > 2. Running water is still okay in some areas of the > Parish; other areas are > under a "Boil Order". That implies that water is > running though. It means there is water but that it could be contaminated with fecal coliforms, parasites or other nasties (could be because either because municipal purification systems aren't fully functioning, or, in the case of anyone that might use well water, that contaminants have leached into the ground water). Water must must be brought to a rolling boil to kill these off. It should not be used for drinking, including brushing teeth, making infant formula, coffee, tea, etc., washing fruit and vegatables, or anything that could get it into your system without its first having been boiled to kill off the germs, or decontaminated with a bleach solution. These things we take for granted until a catastrophe strikes. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:43:02 +0100 From: Lucy Hone Subject: RE :back home again LONG (vljc) EMILIANO...Dear one and happiest man in the world.... Oh at last!!! what a joy to hear your voice in the way you write..... wonderful that you are home safe with your family and that you and your beloved Marga are reunited.... You contributed soooooo much to our enjoyment of Fest and if you and your family want to come and stay in England you can stay with us.... Sam and Liz would love to meet your kids and Liz is learning Spanish so it would be good for her to speak with someone who is a native speaker..maybe they could be e-mail pals or something.... Anyway thank you for your wonderful account and abundant praise.... you are a sweetie and we loved you lots Take care and be in touch Hugs and love to you Lucy and Frank and Sam and Liz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:52:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: When the levee breaks, njc - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > > PBS said New Orleans' levee system was designed by > the Army Corps of > > Engineers to survive a Category 3 hurricane. As > usual, engineers know their > > stuff. (Katrina was a category 4.) > > > > Jim > > Covington, KY, US > > > Not the whole story, Jim. The project was designed > to be a ten year one and > funded at 750 million dollars. Bush slashed the last > phase of the project in > 2003 from 250 million to 10 million. What would he > have done for a blue > state??????????? > > Jerry Most (maybe all?) of the infrastructure in Canada and the US hasn't been renewed for a long time. We've been flying on a wing and a prayer for too long now. Governments, aware of the huge costs to rebuild/refurbish and so on, have put off much-needed repairs in the hope of getting by another year or until the next election because they don't want to spend the money and look like the big, bad gov't that raised taxes (and didn't get elected.) This is how levees break when disaster occurs and how the big northeast blackout happened a couple of years ago. Much of what we have to run our power and communications dates back 20, 30, 40 years or more ago and is inadequate to serve the needs and population we have now. Someone mentioned the other day about corporate meetings taking place where not a word was said about the aftermath of Katrina in the southern US. Business today is all about the almight dollar, and the only way people who worship money can focus on the profit and not on the human side of the story is to dissociate. I believe that most big business - and governments today are run more and more like, or even by, big business - is led by sociopaths who can walk by human tragedy without even noticing, because up ahead is the treasure to be won by he or she who gets there first, and everyone else be damned. Everything is reduced to spreadsheets and bottom lines. Kids learn statistics from the earliest grades and are slotted into categories and their grades assessed, if not by a computer, then in a computer-like fashion, so that they fit into one of 3 or 4 categories, and their qualities as empathetic and caring humans aren't considered. You're either a winner or a loser, and no one wants to even notice the losers. It's all about competition and being number one. Those are our North American values. I'm not sure if I can say the same about Europe and the rest, but that's what I see in Canada and the US. If a natural disaster occurs at home or abroad, isn't it terrible, isn't it a pity, now where did you put the remote, and oh goshdarnit, isn't the price of gas just terrible? And then again, there's a war going on that was supposed to have been over a while ago. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:11:56 -0500 (CDT) From: michael@thepazgroup.com Subject: re:Good news: St. Charles Parish, a summary njc Thanks Jim (the roving St.Charles Parish reporter)WE have been monitoring the parish site and we are very anxious for them to get the juice flowing in our area. I spoke to my boss this am and it appears that I am looking for work. IN the meantime I have a stash saved that will sustain us for awhile. This will allow me to get home and protect my family and then get to work helping others that are not as blessed as we are. This morning I heard from the Northwest Medical Teams that are deploying teams to our area and I will be working with them. Dr.Heiman reported this morning that he is treating refuge patients in the Crowley Louisiana area. Thanks also to Mark Tatum for the post of the web site http://www.digitalglobe.com/images/katrina/new_orleans_msi_aug31_2005_dg.jpg which allows people to see an aerial view of the flooding. I have posted this on forums where people are desperate to know what is going on. The images that are on the tube today are the most disturbing ever. The authorties still seem to be at a loss of how to get food and water and help to people that need it. The images of the Convention Center are right on the Mississippi River and there is plenty of dock access. They shoould be able to get ANY kind of boats loaded with stuff up river and bring them in. If they drop a bomb down someones chimney and take them out why can't they get some stuff to some needy people?? I am listening tothe briefing from Homeland Security (quite possibly an oximoron or worse) and they don't seem to be answering the questions of WHY we are not seeing the distribution of all these incredible numbers of donations and foodstuff to these people out in the street. If you can get news teams and celebs into the area you should be able to get food and medicine in. The response to allof this is incredibly underwhelming. I more than anyone know the challanges of dealing with hurricane and disaster relief. If something else happens elsewhere in the US I fear they would not be able to deal with it. I am sorry to be ranting but I am just crazy sitting here not being able to do anything. Thanks again to everyone for your constant calls and emails. My heart continues to runneth over. I am sorry I cannot update everyone individually. Be well all. Love Paz > According to the Parish govenment, > 1. There's been no looting in St. Charles Parish. > 2. Running water is still okay in some areas of the Parish; other areas are > under a "Boil Order". That implies that water is running though. > 3. Although this doesn't affect Michael's kids, the public schools are > intact and ready to open the minute electricity is restored. > > The bad news is the electricity is off, apparently in the whole Parish. > > Details are at the link which Kate found the other day: > http://www.stcharlesgov.net/ > > Sincerely, > Jim L'Hommedieu > Covington, KY, US ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:19:31 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: When the levee breaks, njc The worst part of it is the baby boomers represented a huge boon to the tax base. That the boomer generation didn't refresh the infrastructure (when there are so many of us, relative to the population as a whole), is among our greatest sins. In addition to the neglected electric grid and the neglected levees, there are the long inadequate bridges. NYC alone has at least a half dozen too-small bridges, built in the late 50s and finished in the early 60s. People die every day because these bridges have had their emergency lanes pressed into full-time use. So the next generation is inheriting a multi-dimensional infrastructure mess, in addition to an impossible social security problem. Did anyone see the Terry Gilliam movie, "Brazil"? Jim > From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] > Most (maybe all?) of the infrastructure in Canada and > the US hasn't been renewed for a long time. We've been > flying on a wing and a prayer for too long now. > Governments, aware of the huge costs to > rebuild/refurbish and so on, have put off much-needed > repairs in the hope of getting by another year or > until the next election because they don't want to > spend the money and look like the big, bad gov't that > raised taxes (and didn't get elected.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 20:48:32 +0200 From: "John van Tiel" Subject: Joni Mitchell in The Hague 1983 After the magic post-Jonifest Joni moment in Belgium (see Bob Muller's fest account), Dutch radio surprised me only two days later. It broadcast a one-hour compilation of Joni's one and only concert in the Netherlands (as far as I know), in The Hague on 27 April 1983. I could not be present at the time, nor have I ever seen any copies of this concert on any trading list ... and, believe me, I am an avid trader. It's a crisp, well recorded show that I would love to share with all of you. I have 10 copies here, ready to be mailed. Real good, and for free. Just send me a message off-line with your address. It would be nice if you could re-offer it again to other list members if you have copying capabilities. I will pick the lucky 10 on Sunday afternoon, so digesters have a chance to react too. John van Tiel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 20:48:20 +0200 From: "John van Tiel" Subject: Jonifest in France and more Six weeks after Les started the JMDL discussion list in 1996, I joined. I have never been away since. I joined because of my love for Jonis music. I stayed because I found kindred spirits  people who enriched my life in many ways. Music, wisdom, temper, politics, love. In 1999, I went to my first Jonifest at Asharas house in Topsfield. I was in shock for weeks afterwards. As if I had met all the friends I wanted to meet all my life, all in just one weekend. Others have had similar experiences. Jonifests are not sectarian meetings. They bring out the best in the attendees, even good ol-fashioned cynics like me. I have missed only one major Jonifest (2004) since then. Many of the people I met, have become close friends (in spirit, some of them are geographically not all that close). Several have visited my home on the safe- Dutch coast. Many ended up with butt blisters because of the obligatory bike ride (30 miles minimum). I may not have spoken the words out loud, but I often thought: I love you for who and what you are. The recognition and understanding of Joni s music seems to be a solid base for bonding. In May 2000, I was present at Pazfest in New Orleans. Wally Breese, the founder of JoniMitchel Dot Com, had just died of AIDS. To thank and commemorate him, we lit candles before the performances started. Claudia stood next to me and put her hand on my shoulder. She did not know what that meant to me at the time. The performances in New Orleans were fantastic. Michaels enthusiasm and hospitality were incredible. On 30 August 2000, Claudia and I, met again in Topsfield, MA. We have been together ever since. On 30 August 2005, I received Less message asking for support for Michael. He had to flee the New Orleans area to escape Hurricane Katrina. Michael, you are one of those friends to me. So is Jack Neilson. Where is he now? The Howlin Wolf Club in downtown New Orleans, the place where my new life started, may have been on tv dozens of time over the past few days. I did not recognize it. Everything is flooded in New Orleans. I can see the Dutch sea dykes from my window. On 30 August 2005, 15.30 hrs, I was at a funeral parlour. One of my best friends died from a heat attack last Saturday. He was 49. On tv, almost 1,000 people dead after a stampede in Bagdad. Because someone shouted something. Words dont kill? In 2001, on September 9, I had just returned from Jonifest in Topsfield when three planes caused a worldwide shock. I wrote about the conflicting feelings on this list. The warmth at the fest, the heat in the street. Where is Patrick? How is Kate? Again. The fest in France was so beautiful. Claudia and I met old friends, new friends. Mike. Emiliano. Laurent. Bob. Ashara. Eric. Catherine Michael Schumacher McKay and her kids. Reine Lulu et entourage. Jean-Yves. Tiery. Guy. Adriano & family. Lieve (who speaks the most beautiful Dutch and whose name means dear). Les. Stryngs. Martin. Chris. Jamie. Bob. Laurents family and friends. Garrett who forced me to sing a John Denver song threatening to expose that I have always secretly been a fan of Olivia Newton-John. The place was paradise. The wine was good. The food was late, but very tasty. The weather was perfect. The cats and kittens were mesmerizing. The music was sometimes superb (hey, I live with Claudia. She loves to play and she does not know half how good she is. I heard her practice with Randall for almost a week in the room next to my office  it was spell-binding). Stryngs is a lyrical supertalent who silently made me cry with her songs. She is slightly less talented as a hairdresser, though. Ask Randall. I have yet to be treated by her in her professional capacity as a psychiatrist so no rating there. And Les and Bob have special places in my heart (and Claudias). Bob rode/drove back with us to Holland (via Belgium). Yes, Bob, that moment outside the frietenkot with the fries, meatballs, bitterballs and beer when all of a sudden  we had arrived 5 minutes earlier  Jonis Magdalene Laundries sounded from the radio in this fries stand, was truly magical. And come back and stay longer. Claudia and I said goodbye to Bob in Amsterdam and spent another few days at the beach. Then Claudia went ahead to the USA. I will follow. The trip through France and the fest had fuelled us up. I felt happy, inspired, energized, in love. All pre-holiday work fatigue was gone. I had met so many friends again. We had been at magical places. We had eaten and drunk too much. Just before Claudia boarded the plane, we repeated how wonderful a time we had had. How wonderful a time. Thank you so much Laurent. 30 August 2005 was only yesterday. John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 21:48:06 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: louisiana ............(njc) hi well - at least we knoiw that michael, his family, & home are safe................... what about cindy & giselle??? are they anywhere in the region that was affect?? also wondering about jack neilson - any news on him??? ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:04:50 -0700 (PDT) From: cindy vickery Subject: Re: louisiana ............(njc) hey sweetie! we're fine.... no electricity, and it won't be back until tuesday or so, the power company folks tell me (and this was after i bribed them with boiled shrimp. cooked 40 lbs or so that i'd had in the freezer last night, before it went bad.), but we're fine. the yard's a disaster, but the neighbor's are used to that. we still haven't heard from gisele's sister and her family in houma, but with land lines out and cell towers down, there's no way to hear from anyone. we're waiting, and hoping, and thinking that surely cathy would be haunting us by now if something bad happened, since i was still saving the crab she sent me for christmas last year, and it thawed beofre i could get it cooked last night. the devastation in louisiana just boggles the mind.... i've no right to complain about anything, ever again! michael - let us know about jack, and about beth and ron and 'dem, cher. hugs to you, ron.... c ron wrote: what about cindy & giselle??? are they anywhere in the region that was affect?? also wondering about jack neilson - any news on him??? - --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:33:43 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Prez on New Orleans., njc Q: Why did President Bush stay at his Crawford ranch for two days after the hurricane hit? A: He still hadn't finished the book about the goat. Why are there no massive water and food drops? They could also drop thousands of hand operated water filters. They could land jumbo jets on the freeways to transport people out of there instead of in slow stinky buses. Thing is, this could be any city in America. A massive earthquake in the west, or a dirty bomb anywhere. For all their BS talk, the gov't does not have it together. Experts have been warning for years that this very thing could happen to New Orleans. Yet I just heard Bill Clinton say 'nobody could have forseen this'. New word: condoleecizing. While I fully encourage people to donate to the relief effort, it still makes my skin crawl to hear Bush appeal to people to get their pocketbooks out, knowing that he has shoveled mountains of cash to the already hyperwealthy in the largest transfer of wealth in history, and bankrupted the country on an illegal and unneccesary war. A million acres of bayou have been lost to development of casinos and oil shipping lanes around N.O. Climate experts agree that hurricanes have become increasingly severe due to climate change. Yet our government still blocks the Kyoto protocols. And how much do you want to bet that, while gas prices rise in the wake of this disaster, a year from now we will hear that oil companies (again) posted record profits? Rant, rant, piss and moan...still it is heartbreaking to watch the people suffer helplessly. 30% of New Orleans lives below the poverty line, and they are precisely the ones that did not have the means to get out of the way of the storm. No matter what the gov't does at this point, it is too little too late. I hope the American people will remember this next election. RR ps Susan, I hope your people will be okay "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" wrote: > Well, he DID fly over it. But it was in Air Force One, which is a JET! :( > > How slowly can someone fly a huge Air Force jet at 2,500 feet? 500 miles an > hour? Exactly how clearly can someone (even a former aviator like President > Bush) see at that altitude and speed? I'm not impressed either. > > Jim > > Paz wrote: > >Where the fuck is our leader? How can he have a 5 week vacation while > >people are dying In Iraq and whereis the great leadership in regards to the > >Gulf Coast?? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:31:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni As A Baby, (and as a lesbian) < All i know is that in my next life i want to be a tree. And if Joni comes back as a dog....? She might get even with you, Nuri. "Let all these dogs go running free The wild and the gentle dogs Kenneled in me" Bob NP: The Replacements, "Hold My Life" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:35:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: When the levee breaks, njc Excerpt: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay," Jefferson Parish emergency management chief Walter Maestri told the newspaper. "Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us." The Army Corps' New Orleans office, facing a $71 million cut, also eliminated funds to pay for a study on how to protect the Crescent City from a Category 5 storm, New Orleans City Business reported in June. And FEMA was slashed as well, read all about it: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0901-01.htm Bob NP: Jethro Tull, "Bouree" - --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:54:09 -0500 (CDT) From: michael@thepazgroup.com Subject: From Lisa Haley: Louisiana Hurricane Relief Concert Please support my friend Lissa Haley if you are in the area of one of the shows. She is one of those guardian angels that I love so much. Paz > > > Forwarded From: BlueFiddle > > > Press Release - for immediate release > > > > Louisiana Hurricane Relief Concert > > > > > > > > From: Lisa Haley > > Sept 1, 2005 > > > > Blue Fiddle Productions > > > > Lisa Haley & the Zydekats > > > > PO Box 263 > > > > Lawndale, CA 90260 > > > > 310-676-4884 > > > > lisa@bluefiddle.com > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends: > > > > > > > > Announcing a very special concert: > > > > > > > > The Louisiana Hurricane Relief Concert, Redondo Beach, CA: > > > > This event will benefit victims of Hurricane Katrina > > > > in combination with the Redondo Beach Patriots Day event in memory of the > > victims of 9/11 > > > > > > > > Event Date: Sat, Sept 10, 2005 > > > > Location: Aviation Park > > > > corner of Aviation and Manhattan Beach Blvds, Redondo Beach, CA > > > > Time: 12 noon - 7PM > > > > Suggested Admission: tax-deductible donation of $15 > > > > > > > > The following bands have graciously donated their time and services to make > > this event possible: > > > > > > > > Musician Caravan: > > > > Lisa Haley to coordinate > > > > > > > > Acts confirmed: > > > > Eddie Baytos & the Nervous Brothers > > > > Bonne Musique Zydeco > > > > Bennie & the Swamp Gators > > > > Lisa Haley & the Zydekats > > > > Pending: > > > > Zydeco Party Band > > > > T. Lou & the Red Hot Zydeco Band > > > > > > > > > > Information phone number: > > > > Redondo Beach Chamber of Commerce 310-376-6911 > > > > > > > > Website: > > > > www.bluefiddle.com to sponsor page - Lisa > > Haley to coordinate 310-676-4884 > > > > > > > > > > Nonprofit sponsor: > > > > Redondo Beach Chamber of Commerce > > > > > > > > Donations Recipient: > > > > Salvation Army, Redondo Beach Chapter > > > > to be earmarked for distribution to Salvation Army relief efforts in > > Louisiana > > > > > > > > Please come join us for a day celebrating Louisiana music, > > > > to help restore the land of its birth following this terrible storm. > > > > > > > > Please hit 'reply' to request a full-color poster of the event! > > > > > > > > Kindest Regards, > > > > Lisa Haley > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > Upcoming events! > > > > > > > > SEPTEMBER > > > > FRI 2: SAWDUST FESTIVAL, LAGUNA BEACH, CA - 5:30PM > > > > http://www.sawdustartfestival.org/summer_show/summershow.htm > > > > MON 5: REDONDO BEACH PIER LABOR DAY FESTIVAL - REDONDO BEACH, CA - 3PM > > INFO: (310) 318-0631 > > > > SAT 10: LOUISIANA HURRICANE RELIEF CONCERT - REDONDO BEACH, CA - 12PM > > AVIATION PARK > > > > OCTOBER > > > > SAT 1 & SUN 2: SANTA CLARITA FESTIVAL, CA > > > > FRI 14: SILVERADO DAYS FESTIVAL - BUENA PARK, CA - 7:30PM > > > > NOVEMBER > > > > FRI 18 & SAT 19: MISSOULA, MONTANA > > > > > > > > -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 20:15:24 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Katrina and the waves NJC Bottom line: if you voted for Bush, or if you didn't vote at all, then you deserve whatever's coming your way, including $10 a gallon gas (and I hope like hell it goes that high). Whether you voted for Bush or not, if you aren't absolutely outraged at his behavior (as well as that of the rest of the rich bastards in the Administration), you deserve the same. Someone else put it very well on another list: "Bush is a fucking asshole." Yeah, buddy. He makes me absolutely embarrassed to be an American. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:44:11 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: Katrina and the waves NJC Democracy is a government where you can say what you think even if you don't think. -- Unknown {Category: Law and Politics} - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Fye" To: Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Katrina and the waves NJC > Bottom line: if you voted for Bush, or if you didn't vote at all, then you > deserve whatever's coming your way, including $10 a gallon gas (and I hope > like hell it goes that high). > > Whether you voted for Bush or not, if you aren't absolutely outraged at his > behavior (as well as that of the rest of the rich bastards in the > Administration), you deserve the same. > > Someone else put it very well on another list: > > "Bush is a fucking asshole." > > Yeah, buddy. He makes me absolutely embarrassed to be an American. > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:45:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: But be prepared to bleed Eeeeew... http://cgi.ebay.com/Urban-Hippie-cloth-menstrual-pad-set-by-NaOMi-bl-ylw_W0QQitemZ5611054703QQcategoryZ11837QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem "These pads feature three different joni mitchell-inspired prints by the alexander henry collection of quality fabrics, including: woodstock (forest), carey (flowers), and morning morgantown (cityscape) in mellow yellows and blues. All pads are backed in soft blue flannel." Bob Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:04:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: But be prepared to bleed eewwwwwwwwwwww, indeed! who would think up something like that? Why does an item like that need to be "pretty"? And then it gets "besmirched". I would find that disconcerting. LOL!!!!!!!!! I don't get it!!!!!!!! Em - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Eeeeew... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Urban-Hippie-cloth-menstrual-pad-set-by-NaOMi-bl-ylw_W0QQitemZ5611054703QQcategoryZ11837QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > "These pads feature three different joni mitchell-inspired prints by > the alexander henry collection of quality fabrics, including: > woodstock (forest), carey (flowers), and morning morgantown > (cityscape) in mellow yellows and blues. All pads are backed in > soft blue flannel." > > > > Bob > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:20:28 -0400 From: Patti Witten Subject: Hurricane Katrina - animals are people too After most of the people have been aided and rescued in coastal and inland Louisiana and Mississippi, FEMA and other officials on-site will allow certified animal rescue workers into the affected areas. Pets left behind, animals in shelters, horses and livestock still alive will receive direct aid and rescue from these organizations: The ASPCA Disaster Relief Fund http://tinyurl.com/bx2wd The American Humane Society and Disaster Relief Teams https://secure.hsus.org/01/disaster_relief_fund_2005/ If you've got more to give, please consider donating to these organizations. Pass it on. Thanks, Patti - -- Patti Witten http://pattiwitten.com Hurricane Katrina Aid - Donate to: - - The American Red Cross National Disaster Fund http://redcross.org - - The ASPCA Disaster Relief Fund http://tinyurl.com/bx2wd - - The American Humane Society and Disaster Relief Teams https://secure.hsus.org/01/disaster_relief_fund_2005/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:11:10 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: something constructive (NJC) My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone affected by the hurricane. What a terrible mess! But rather than complain, I thought I'd pass this along. This is one of the most practical things I've seen so far. lots of love, Anne - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noah T. Winer, MoveOn.org Civic Action" Subject: Emergency housing drive at www.hurricanehousing.org. Pass it on. Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 10:43:56 -0700 > > Dear MoveOn member, > > Hurricane Katrina's toll on communities, homes and lives has devastated > the nation. Now victims must face the daunting question of where to go > next--and we can help. > > Tens of thousands of newly homeless families are being bused to a stadium > in Houston, where they may wait for weeks or months. At least 80,000 are > competing for area shelters, and countless more are in motels, cars, or > wherever they can stay out of the elements. The Federal Emergency > Management Agency and the Red Cross are scrambling to find shelter for the > displaced. > > This morning, we've launched an emergency national housing drive to connect > your empty beds with hurricane victims who desperately need a place to > wait out the storm. You can post your offer of housing (a spare room, > extra bed, even a decent couch) and search for available housing online > at: > > http://www.hurricanehousing.org?id=5946-1809547-mAvj11ZSnmEydwS2kL6kSQ > > Housing is most urgently needed within reasonable driving distance (about > 300 miles) of the affected areas in the Southeast, especially New Orleans. > > Please forward this message to anyone you know in the region who might be > able to help. > > But no matter where you live, your housing could still make a world of > difference to a person or family in need, so please offer what you can. > > The process is simple: > > * You can sign up to become a host by posting a description of whatever > housing you have available, along with contact information. You can change > or remove your offer at any time. > > * Hurricane victims, local and national relief organizations, friends and > relatives can search the site for housing. We'll do everything we can to > get your offers where they are needed most. Many shelters actually already > have Internet access, but folks without 'net access can still make use of > the site through case workers and family members. > > * Hurricane victims or relief agencies will contact hosts and together > decide if it's a good match and make the necessary travel arrangements. > The host's address is not released until a particular match is agreed on. > > If hosting doesn't work for you, please consider donating to the Red Cross > to help with the enormous tasks of rescue and recovery. You can give > online at: > > http://www.moveon.org/r?r=859 > > As progressives, we share a core belief that we are all in this together, > and today is an important chance to put that idea to work. There are > thousands of families who have just lost everything and need a place to > stay dry. Let's do what we can to help. > > http://www.hurricanehousing.org?id=5946-1809547-mAvj11ZSnmEydwS2kL6kSQ > > Thanks for being there when it matters most. > > --Noah T. Winer and the whole MoveOn.org Civic Action Team > Thursday, September 1st, 2005 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #334 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)