From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #326 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, August 27 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 326 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: "Fountain of Sorrow"? [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: Things that make you go hmmmmm.... [Catherine McKay ] RE: [NortheastJonifest] Festy tidbit and where are you Spanish-ty pe peepuls? njc [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: Things that make you go hmmmmm.... [Jerry Notaro ] was Joni and younger.... now Roches.. njc [Em ] Re: Things that make you go hmmmmm.... [Em ] Re: Things that make you go hmmmmm.... ["Bree Mcdonough" ] joni fest in winnipeg [mags h ] Fountain of Sorrow (SJC) ["Lindsay Moon" ] Re: "Fountain of Sorrow"? [kate@katebennett.com] Re:Re: "Fountain of Sorrow"? [Warrenkeith91354@aol.com] Re: Things that make you go hmmmmm.... [Monafitz@aol.com] Re: Moog Moments(NJC) [Bob Muller ] Re: New Library addition: 'Five Grossest Song Lyrics of All Time' [Bob Mu] Re: Things that make you go hmmmmm....NJC [Bob Muller ] RE: New Library addition: 'Five Grossest Song Lyrics of All Time' ["Les ] Re: Moog Moments(NJC) [Randy Remote ] New Library addition: 'From show biz to big biz to no bizand loving it' [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:22:50 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: "Fountain of Sorrow"? For me what links this song to Joni is the refrain in the background of towards the end (you have to turn it up really loud) "Help me I think I'm falling in love again..." towards the end? ;-) hee hee - --- Smurf wrote: > "Fountain" isn't listed in JoniMitchell.com's list > of > songs about Joni: > > << > http://www.jonimitchell.com/ListsInspiredByInspiredByJMYear.htm > >> > > I can easily see why anyone would think it's about > Joni, though, with lyrics like "running of in search > of a perfect stranger" and even the single word > "sorrow!" > > The lyrics: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:46:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Things that make you go hmmmmm.... - --- Les Irvin wrote: > Regarding the just-added article to the Library, I > have just two comments: > > "Huh??" > > and > > "What the...?" > > I hope you all 'enjoy' it as much as I did. > > http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1332 > > Puzzled, > Les > I'm equally puzzled. I'm not sure the guy necessarily understands what the word "gross" means. He got paid to write that? Scratching my head... Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:47:15 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: Things that make you go hmmmmm.... I had quite a strong reaction to this collection of puerile and asinine observations, which certainly doesn't merit the name "article". It's the sort of thing a twelve-year-old boy with his first access to a computer and the web would churn out, sniggering to himself like Butthead. And this would still be forgivable if it were funny, which to my eyes it ain't. Rob Rabiee should consider himself lucky that his pathetic scribblings are being archived anywhere. Azeem in London NP: the Fourth Test Match - England holding their own! - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 24/08/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:24:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Festy tidbit and where are you Spanish-ty pe peepuls? njc Well, who needs magazines when you're on toilet like that. Thanks for sharing such a special moment with us Lieve. I feel so close to you now. : ) Thanks also to everyone else for the fabulous fest reports that helped me get through my last four days of work before vacation. Wish I coulda been there. Next time. Jenny ReckersL@ebrd.com wrote: Well Catherine, since I was "assembled" by my just-married parents on honeymoon in Majorca, I consider myself (at least a little bit) one of those Spanish-type peepuls. So here is my Jonifest report. With thanks to those who have reported before, that will hopefully keep my own story shorter. I left London a week before my arrival at the fest, and had a very enjoyable journey with several stopovers in France. I even discovered some other very do-able venues for a future Jonifest, should people like to explore France a bit more. At a small town, I came across a typical market for local produce, with people sitting at wooden tables eating all sort of pies and cheeses. I bought a large bottle of apple and rhubarb juice for the journey, and a pot of snail-with-nettle pate for my jonifest friends. And before you ask what sort of friend would do that, let me assure you I tasted it myself and found it delicious! Adventure is fun, also with food. So anyway, thanks to an excellent map and Laurent's excellent driving instructions, I got to the right spot by Thursday evening. I saw some cars parked by the side of the road, one of which Dutch, so I guessed that must be John van Tiel's. I got out and started walking down the gravel path. I heard voices, laughter, the sound of guitars. It was a wonderful moment, it felt like an arrival in paradise. And yes, there I found John, Claudia, Les and Randall, plus a number of German people who have settled in the area and who were also having their own music gathering (they left the next day, before the Jonifest began). Jean-Yves is indeed a wonderful person, he immediately made me feel at home, my room in the mill was waiting and my bed was made up. As Garrett has already hinted about my toilet story, let me share it straightaway, as it happened that evening. I know Americans talk about bathrooms, but I prefer to be precise. There was no bath, it was a toilet. The most wonderful one, with Indian fabrics and an ingenious door shutting mechanism based on big heavy acorns, in a wooden hut on a slope, overlooking an enormous valley, where you could leave the window wide open because there couldn't be anyone standing in front of it without falling off the slope. So anyway, I was "sitting" there in the evening minding my own business, looking out of that open window at the many big stars in the sky, and then right in front of me, from one corner of the window to the other, I saw a falling star! Now you can tell me off for being so crude to be talking about sitting on a toilet, but how many of you can claim to have done so, and in full comfort, while looking out through a big open wooden window frame onto a falling star? So yes, that was a magic moment. The following day was fun, just relaxing and hanging out in a small group. Lots of good chats with John and Claudia. By the evening most other people had arrived, and the fest began in earnest with a big meal at hotel Fargo, where a lot of the people were staying. It tasted good, and it felt good. I won't repeat what the others have written about the following days and the performances, but here are just some of the things that really touched me. Laurent is a really nice person who deserves a million thanks for organising this fest. So do Jean-Yves, and Monique and all the boys who helped getting our wonderfully fresh food on the tables 3 times per day. Laurent started off the music playing one lunchtime, he plays the guitar beautifully. His young daughter has a beautiful voice, and her singing of Yesterday (with John VT's subtle accompaniment) was really sweet. In the evening, I started taking short "audio photos" of the performances. (Or rather, just a very short film recording through my digital camera.) I meant to do this of everybody, but realised it was using up my batteries and memory cards too fast, so I don't have much, but I do have a beautiful snippet of Anita singing and playing Marcie. I was less successful in recording Jamie, who has a beautiful warm voice, but unfortunately the picture accompanying that voice only shows my feet, which is really not a fair exchange for Jamie's handsome figure! So I gave up on recording, but really enjoyed the beautiful performances that first evening by Anita, Catherine and Bob. Like everybody, I was really stunned by Thierry Antoine's guitar play, so fresh and clean, reminding me of the cool waterfalls and rivers of the region. I hope he joins the list and contributes further. I have already mentioned the "kids". Or rather, the young adults, Catherine's Sarah and Mathew, and Lucy's Lizzy and Sam. It was a highlight for me, to sit and talk with them, different as they are, but all so genuine and sensitive in their own way. It was also great to finally meet people I had read posts from for so long, but had not yet met, such as "Mike from Barcelona" (who is a really entertaining guy) and Emiliano who is as wonderful as we expected him to be. I really enjoyed our chat in the car (when on one of Laurent's excellently chosen excursions) about philosophy and language. Thank you, Emiliano! Also thanks to Bob for stopping me from following the wrong car in the middle of the mountains (and for being such a gentleman for not mentioning it in his own report). We had some good laughs, involving spiders and horses (not half as indecent as those of you who laugh at dogs!) We had real "stars" playing and singing, of course, such as the Stryngs band, Claudia and Randall, we're so used to getting spoiled at Jonifest, so I will leave it to better music reviewers than myself to sing their praises. I just need to finally mention another highlight for me. You see, at work in the office I am a chocoholic. But on holiday I am a fruitaholic. And Jean-Yves' garden was paradise for that. Not only were there lovely blackberries and plums to be picked, but there were ripe mulberries! Yes, mulberries!!! The midieval fairy-tale type fruit that grows on the tree on which the silk worm grows. The fruit is so fragile, that you will never find it in shops. It breaks as you touch it, leaving your hands and face dripping with red juice like an axe murderer. But the taste is fantastic, and so you just have it by eating it off the branch. A truly sensuous experience. I am glad I made a few more converts, such as Lucy's son Sam and Ashara's friend Eric. (Eric even climbed into the tree right above the steep slope, as one of my photos will prove when I get round to posting them.) Well so much for keeping my post short because most of it had already been told... I hope, like Catherine, that my "fellow spaniards" will post soon too. Thanks to everybody for the company, the music and the memories. Lieve in London. - -----Original Message----- From: NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: 25 August 2005 16:06 To: NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: [NortheastJonifest] Festy tidbit and where are you Spanish-type peepuls? njc Hmm, thought I'd share this with some of you that were there, before I forget. Did I mention I don't think I heard many performances at all because everything started so late? In which case, I hope audio will be available! One thing I noticed... One night the kids and I were leaving (earlier than most who stayed up until god knows when - I mean it was almost 2 o'friggin am by this time and things were just STARTING), we were stumbling up the road to where the car was parked, minus any flashlights or anything, hence, one foot shuffling ahead of the other veeerrrrryyyy s-l-o-w-l-y trying to spot the whiteness of gravel reflecting moonlight, not unlike Hansel and Gretel lost in the woods, except for the fact that to one side was a CHASM... Strings was singing and there was a point in the road where the music just rose up out of the dark and sounded absolutely FANTASTIC. I bet it sounded better from there, than it did down at the site, just because of the fact that it was rising up the mountain from the valley or something. It was all quite magical in any case. So, if you happen to be in that part of France, and there happens to be a musical thing going on down a long dirt road that's impossible to find, then might I suggest, that you stumble about halfway up (or down, depending on where your start point is) the road (you may want to take a flashlight/torch with you, if you value your life), stop there and give a listen. What you hear may astound you, if you live to tell the tale. - ---------------- Now I want to know one thing - where are Pritchard and Emiliano and their reports on fest? Was it that bad, or are you lost somewhere on the road, kidnapped by Catalans, maybe? Catherine Toronto - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca - ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. 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The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:54:58 -0400 From: Patti Witten Subject: Re: Joni and Younger Musicians (SJC?) Sherelle > The main thing I try to impart is that no one is going to "give" > you anything. It is not required. You must create your own buzz and forge > your own destiny. To give the artist a sense of self-sufficiency is the best > thing I could ever do for someone. More than fiscal success, I prefer to see > "emotional success" where someone stands and says with pride, "I am a > musician" or "I am a singer/songwriter".< Kate > I agree. I think when someone asks us for help the best thing we can do > is share our experience. We can't do any more. I don't think Joni ever > enjoyed the biz part of music (as an artist, who does?). Yes, experience is key. When I was just starting out as a solo singer-songwriter, I went to a small concert given by Suzy Roche. She and I are not that far apart in age, but she's a veteran in the folkworld; if you know the Roche's history, you know what I mean. She almost winced when I told her I wanted to "be like her," saying, "I wouldn't wish this business on my worst enemy." I now realize what a huge favor she did me when after actually listening to the CD that I gave her, she wrote me a letter (not email) telling me she love my voice and wishing me well. That validation made a huge impression on me. (I've been a slut for validation ever since! LOL.) But the caution was just as strong. A good role model for encouragement: realistic yet warm. Still waiting to hear from Joni, who was handed my CD by a friend, at a gallery opening in CA the same year. Patti - -- Patti Witten on I-Town Records www.itownrecords.com MySpace http://myspace.com/pattiwitten http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:10:56 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni and Younger Musicians (SJC?) The Roches' Christmas album is without peer. They are extraordinary talents. Jerry > Yes, experience is key. When I was just starting out as a solo > singer-songwriter, I went to a small concert given by Suzy Roche. She and I > are not that far apart in age, but she's a veteran in the folkworld; if you > know the Roche's history, you know what I mean. She almost winced when I > told her I wanted to "be like her," saying, "I wouldn't wish this business > on my worst enemy." I now realize what a huge favor she did me when after > actually listening to the CD that I gave her, she wrote me a letter (not > email) telling me she love my voice and wishing me well. That validation > made a huge impression on me. (I've been a slut for validation ever since! > LOL.) But the caution was just as strong. A good role model for > encouragement: realistic yet warm. Still waiting to hear from Joni, who was > handed my CD by a friend, at a gallery opening in CA the same year. > > Patti ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:50:50 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Things that make you go hmmmmm.... I agree. I don't think he is being serious, but trying to get attention. Much like when Muller makes those fart noises under his arm. Jerry :) > He's a joker. Little bit of adolescent silliness to try and be funny and > look smart. > > Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:07:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: "I never died," said he -- njc - --- Smurf quoted from Cindy Sheehan's blog: > I know Casey will be > waiting for me when it is my turn, and I know when I > finally get there he's going to hug me and say: "Good > job, Mom." See, alot of people think otherwise. Granted, she's his Mom - so I would certainly give her the benefit of the doubt as far as knowing her son's true heart, but others think he might say something like "Mom, I *wanted* to give to my country - even my life" instead. I'm just throwing that out there because that's how some people think. This one friend of mine swears CS is inadvertently dishonoring her son's service, and his intent to serve even to the point of death. That she is somehow diminishing his service. This stuff is all really hard. I'm glad to see all the support Cindy Sheehan has. But these other folks are really adamant about seeing it the other way. HUGE gap of understanding. I shake my head alot these days. Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:14:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: was Joni and younger.... now Roches.. njc I love the Roches. Thats awesome she wrote you an actual "epistle" on paper. Cool! Had the good fortune to see them in the 80's in a fairly small, acoustically well-suited venue. Whew! Kinda wish I could go to New York around Christmas some year, maybe to try and catch a Christmas gig of theirs if they're doing any. :) Em ps: have "re-purchased" some of their stuff on iTunes..omg, its GLORIOUS to hear CLEAN copies of this stuff. In the late 70's and early 80's we WORE out copies of the first album (the Paul Simon produced one) up through Nurds. WORE THEM OUT!!!!!! LOL!!!!! bloooooowwws me away........ - --- Patti Witten wrote: > Yes, experience is key. When I was just starting out as a solo > singer-songwriter, I went to a small concert given by Suzy Roche. She > and I > are not that far apart in age, but she's a veteran in the folkworld; > if you > know the Roche's history, you know what I mean. She almost winced > when I > told her I wanted to "be like her," saying, "I wouldn't wish this > business > on my worst enemy." I now realize what a huge favor she did me when > after > actually listening to the CD that I gave her, she wrote me a letter > (not > email) telling me she love my voice and wishing me well. That > validation > made a huge impression on me. (I've been a slut for validation ever > since! > LOL.) But the caution was just as strong. A good role model for > encouragement: realistic yet warm. Still waiting to hear from Joni, > who was > handed my CD by a friend, at a gallery opening in CA the same year. > > Patti > -- > Patti Witten > on I-Town Records www.itownrecords.com > MySpace http://myspace.com/pattiwitten > http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:22:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Things that make you go hmmmmm.... OMG I want to kick his butt! I guess he doesn't know much about Joni's guitar accomplishments - alternate tunings, etc. That boy needs to LEARN!!!!!!! lol..... Em < wrote: > Regarding the just-added article to the Library, I have just two > comments: > > "Huh??" > > and > > "What the...?" > > I hope you all 'enjoy' it as much as I did. > > http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1332 > > Puzzled, > Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:50:09 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Things that make you go hmmmmm.... TIE HIS BUTT DOWN AND MAKE HIS LISTEN TO HEJIRA! >--- Les Irvin wrote: > > > Regarding the just-added article to the Library, I > > have just two comments: > > > > "Huh??" > > > > and > > > > "What the...?" > > > > I hope you all 'enjoy' it as much as I did. > > > > http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1332 > > > > Puzzled, > > Les > > > >I'm equally puzzled. I'm not sure the guy necessarily >understands what the word "gross" means. > >He got paid to write that? > >Scratching my head... > > >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________________ >Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:55:17 -0400 From: "Yoda, Jedi Master, Esq." Subject: Neil Young as Joni's archivist Good news / bad news here. Good news: Mr. Young, in addition to being a fine songwriter and musician, also "hears" well. When CD was new, he said something like, "it sounds like thousands of tiny ice pellets hitting your face." In my opinion, he'd be a good caretaker of the existing sound quality. Bad news: 1 Mr. Young is still writing. 2 Mr. Young is still recording. 3 Mr. Young tours occasionally. 4 Mr. Young was sidelined last year. 5 So, in his SPARE TIME, he can work on his own rarities. 6 As mentioned, Joni's project is in queue behind Neil's. So, I guess I'm gonna enjoy the "1/2 full glass" I have in front of me: the audience records, the JMDL video trees, and (maybe) Neil Young's new album. np: Harry's House / Centerpiece on our Beloved singer-songwriter station, WNKU. How often do you hear Joni's jazz on the radio where you live? On the all-request show, he has 3 requests for Joni, none of them from me. >At one point Joni came up in the conversation, and he said that he was the archivist for all her audio works, and that he was going to be working with Joni and Larry AFTER he had finished the Neil project.< Jim Covington, KY - ---------------------------------- "The only things we own are the moments. Everything else is like a book borrowed from the library: it will all be returned." Karin Berquist of 'Over The Rhine' - ---------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:03:34 -0400 From: "bluejr@adelphia.net" Subject: Re: I never died, said he -- njc Original Message: - ----------------- From: Em emzdogz@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:07:15 -0700 (PDT) To: smurfadelica@yahoo.com, joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: "I never died," said he -- njc >But these other folks are really adamant about seeing it the other way. >HUGE gap of understanding. It's called DENIAL. >I shake my head alot these days. As so many of us are. JR in NH - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:12:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Things that make you go hmmmmm.... hi Bree, I agree that Hejira would be good to let him know Joni does have other than cornball content to offer. Hejira is way "dry", right? But as far as guitar work.... I'm thinking father back..(maybe even LOTC) has neat guitar stuff. Even picking strings! me likey.... :) happy Friday, Em - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > TIE HIS BUTT DOWN AND MAKE HIS LISTEN TO HEJIRA! > > > > >--- Les Irvin wrote: > > > > > Regarding the just-added article to the Library, I > > > have just two comments: > > > > > > "Huh??" > > > > > > and > > > > > > "What the...?" > > > > > > I hope you all 'enjoy' it as much as I did. > > > > > > http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1332 > > > > > > Puzzled, > > > Les > > > > > > >I'm equally puzzled. I'm not sure the guy necessarily > >understands what the word "gross" means. > > > >He got paid to write that? > > > >Scratching my head... > > > > > >Catherine > >Toronto > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________________ > >Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:30:56 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: joni fest in winnipeg the dust is finally settling down, hey it's not my turn to dust LOL oh yea .. the winnipeg fest... well Ive been tossing this idea around and not sure how to do it. I know I dont have the whateverittakes to pull it off ... um, so Im thinking of asking if anyone is interested in attending the Winnipeg Folk Festival and then we can do some jammin' in an informal way from there. THis is THE best folk festival in the country, so it is said, has been going strong for many, many years. check out the site; as i think i've posted this before but perhaps it was missed.... www.winnipegfolkfestival.ca mind you, it's not as extensive as it once was but keep watching for changes...the 2006 line ups will be posted before you know it, speaking of which, any of you who are interested CAN apply to perform. There's info on that on the site, I think. It starts on the Thursday evening and then continues on until Sunday night. This year's festival included Daniel Lanois and Emmylou Harris, both of which were spectacular, even if the oncoming crazystorm did scare many of us away. The location is gorgeous and there is a camp ground...and if that doesnt turn your crank, there's lots of alternatives. this is a long way off, but you know how time flies when you are having fun....how I would dearly love to see this come to life. You never know...seems that anything is possible... Winnipeg is a great city, only 700,000 people however, music and art are fully supported in big ways here...lots of things to do and see too... ask Richard Flynn, he was here in June and he can tell you all about the Golden Boy ;-)) love, Mags - --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:59:50 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Fountain of Sorrow (SJC) The lyrics: Looking through some photographs I found inside a drawer I was taken by a photograph of you There were one or two I know that you would have liked a little more But they didnt show your spirit quite as true You were turning round to see who was behind you And I took your childish laughter by surprise And at the moment that my camera happened to find you There was just a trace of sorrow in your eyes Now the things that I remember seem so distant and so small Though it hasnt really been that long a time What I was seeing wasnt what was happening at all Although for a while, our path did seem to climb But when you see through loves illusions, there lies the danger And your perfect lover just looks like a perfect fool So you go running off in search of a perfect stranger While the loneliness seems to spring from your life Like a fountain from a pool Fountain of sorrow, fountain of light Youve known that hollow sound of your own steps in flight Youve had to hide sometimes, but now youre all right And its good to see your smiling face tonight Now for you and me it may not be that hard to reach our dreams But that magic feeling never seems to last And while the futures there for anyone to change, still you know its seems It would be easier sometimes to change the past Im just one or two years and a couple of changes behind you In my lessons at loves pain and heartache school Where if you feel too free and you need something to remind you Theres this loneliness springing up from your life Like a fountain from a pool Fountain of sorrow, fountain of light Youve known that hollow sound of your own steps in flight Youve had to hide sometimes but now youre all right And its good to see your smiling face tonight Fountain of sorrow, fountain of light Youve known that hollow sound of your own steps in flight Youve had to struggle, youve had to fight To keep understanding and compassion in sight You could be laughing at me, youve got the right But you go on smiling so clear and so bright "Late for the Sky" by Jackson Browne to me was one of those flawless albums. I haven't listened to it in years but just reading those lyrics gave me goosebumps. The title track without fail caught in my throat at the same place every time and would probably do so if I heard it again. Several of the lyrics in Fountain have always made me think (completely guess) it's about Joni: I'm just one or two years and a couple of changes behind you (as I recall, Jackson was the young punk among the So Cal bunch of musicians he hung out with, Joni, the Eagles, etc., and Joni had been through quite a lot by the time she was on tour with JB) ... love's pain and heartache school (Blue album. Pain and Heartache University ... hmm, title for an album? 'university' very hard to rhyme with though) You've had to hide sometimes You've had to struggle, you've had to fight (the pre-FTR self-imposed seclusion and the several times she left stages mid concert) ... to keep understanding and compassion in sight (I always thought it was compassionate sight but then I thought the Steely Dan lyric of 'The Cuervo Gold, the fine Columbian" was "the Cuervo Gold, the pine cone ambiance." (Guess I'm off that discussion list ...) (How she writes every one of her songs) It was just my own musings but it's my story and I'm sticking with it. And it's sad to think that *if* the song was written with her in mind the falling out the two have since come to. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:06:34 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: Re: "Fountain of Sorrow"? smurf>>I can easily see why anyone would think it's about Joni, though, with lyrics like "running of in search of a perfect stranger" and even the single word "sorrow!" < hmmm... interesting thought, reading the lyrics it certainly could be about joni... and there is also "But when you see through loves illusions, there lies the danger" and there is this (is joni older than jackson? i think so...): "Im just one or two years and a couple of changes behind you: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:37:49 EDT From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Re:Re: "Fountain of Sorrow"? This is totally Joni, I can't imagine it being anyone else! He captures her essence in those lyrics! Being aware of their history together I have got to say Joni, Joni, Joni!!! Jonily Yours, Warren Keith Smurf writes: "Fountain" isn't listed in JoniMitchell.com's list of songs about Joni: << http://www.jonimitchell.com/ListsInspiredByInspiredByJMYear.htm >> I can easily see why anyone would think it's about Joni, though, with lyrics like "running of in search of a perfect stranger" and even the single word "sorrow!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:20:19 EDT From: Monafitz@aol.com Subject: Re: Things that make you go hmmmmm.... In a message dated 8/26/2005 1:23:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LesIrvin@jmdl.com writes: Regarding the just-added article to the Library, I have just two comments: "Huh??" and "What the...?" Puzzled, Les Don't be puzzled Les, Darwin was wrong, that's all. No doubt Mr. Rabiee is brachiating across the room now, working on his next article. Cheers, Mona Mona A. Fitzgerald, JD Windsor, CT 06095 USA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:34:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Moog Moments(NJC) Great track, Mike - don't forget their new one "Plans" comes out this Tuesday. I'm making plans to get it. 2005 continues to rock. Bob NP: Herbie Hancock, 'Maiden Voyage" - --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:41:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: New Library addition: 'Five Grossest Song Lyrics of All Time' I suppose you have to include this in your database just as I have to include some of my covers, but boy it sure is a terrible article. When he says: "Hey Joni, Joni: put away the Mel Bay Guitar Method -- Vol 1 chord chart and go head an overpriced co-op or something." He REALLY shows his ignorance - Joni's entire CAREER (which will be remembered long after the worms have made a meal out of him) is driven by an 'anti-Mel Bay' attitude. And like Catherine says, Joni's lyric is not even that gross. Why not pick a more obvious one like "snot is running down his nose, greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes"? (And don't think I'm dissing that J.Tull lyric; I'm not - it's a classic and sets the tone for the song. But it's a WHOLE lot grosser than DDT on apples, isn't it? Bob NP: Kevin Johansen, "So Lazy" - --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:44:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Things that make you go hmmmmm....NJC Subject: Joni And Jackson: the plot thickens After reading the thread on Fountain of Sorrow, I decided to write to Russ Paris who maintains the most excellent Jackson Browne fansite, which is well worth a visit: http://www.jrp-graphics.com/jackson_browne.html Here is our correspondence: > - - - - - ORIGINAL MESSAGE - - - - - > On Aug 26, 2005, at 1:52 PM, Richard Flynn wrote: > >> Dear Russ, >> >> What fabulous Jackson Browne fansite you maintain-I've used it many >> times. My question is: I'm a member of the Joni Mitchell discussion >> list and one of the people who works on its website >> http://www.jmdl.com . Currently members are speculating whether or >> not "Fountain of Sorrow" was written about Joni Mitchell. It seems >> biographically plausible, but I wondered if you could shed any light >> on the discussion, since you are obviously a real expert on JB. I've >> been a fan of him and his music since the first lp (my copy has the >> "simulated burlap cover"). >> >> Thanks for any help you can offer. >> >> Richard Flynn > -----Original Message----- > From: Russell Paris [mailto:russ@jrp-graphics.com] > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:01 PM > To: Richard Flynn > Subject: Re: A Jackson Browne Question > > Hi Richard, > > Jackson Browne always says he likes people to find their own meaning > in the lyrics to his songs. > > There is a general consensus among Jackson's fans that "Fountain of > Sorrow" was written primarily for Joni Mitchell. (The timing of their > relationship and the writing of the song is about right.) > > However, I can tell you that I heard from an extremely reliable source > that at least part of the song does not refer to Joni. I was very > surprised when I found out who it was about just a couple of years > ago, and it changed my whole framework for this song. (Sorry, the > person who told me didn't give me permission to repeat the story... > though it's very possibly that maybe the song wasn't really written > about > Joni.) > > In any case, I've seen Jackson perform the song in concert a number of > times where he's implied fairly strongly that it was written for Joni > Mitchell... and as I said, that's the generally accepted view among > his fans. UNofficial biographies of Jackson agree... though no > official Jackson Browne biography has been released. > > My own personal opinion is that I think it's likely that in writing > the song, Jackson drew on an amalgamation of various relationships... > but since his relationship with Joni was the freshest in his mind at > the time, he relates it to her. Maybe one of these days Jackson will > write an autobiography and we'll find out more. > > I hope that helps. > > Russ > http://www.jrp-graphics.com/jackson_browne.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:13:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC More WTF stuff http://cdbaby.com/cd/bornagainchickens (two samples available) There couldn't possibly be a market for this. Bob NP: David Bowie, "Drive-In Saturday" Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:33:34 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: New Library addition: 'Five Grossest Song Lyrics of All Time' > I suppose you have to include this in your database just as I > have to include some of my covers, but boy it sure is a > terrible article. I agree it's terrible. My philosophy with the Library has always been to include everything I find that's relevant to or focused upon Joni - good or bad. Besides, the inclusion of this 'article' will someday come to haunt the author for the rest of his life. :-) Speaking of less-than-flattering portrayals, everybody remember Liz Braun? http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=79 Les NP - Metheny/Mays "September 15th" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:53:14 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Moog Moments(NJC) Waaaeellll...... um, no. 1971-Who's Next 1970- ELP "Lucky Man" 1969-Abbey Road "Maxwell's Silver Hammer", "Because", "Here Comes The Sun" 1968-Moog on Monkees album, don't know which one. So, oddly, they were probably the first to use it for a pop album. I'm not even sure that was a Moog on the Who song, it could've been an Arp 2600...that sequencer thing going on. The sound in "The Song Is Over" is more Moog (same album). Mike and Alice Hicks wrote: > Wasn't the Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again" one of the first moog songs ? Or > maybe one of the most popular or maybe the first moog solo. New Age artists > grabbed it quickly but I don't think they were around then. > > Mike > > NP: Transatlanticism - Death Cab for Cutie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:35:34 -0400 From: LesIrvin@jmdl.com Subject: New Library addition: 'From show biz to big biz to no bizand loving it' The following has been recently added to the JMDL Library: Title: From show biz to big biz to no bizand loving it Publication: Toronto Star Date: 2005-1-9 Type: Mention Find it here under "Most recent additions...": http://jmdl.com/library ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #326 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)