From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #322 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 23 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 322 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Fest part 2 from Bobnjc ["Anita Gabrielle Tedder" ] Re: Funk Brothers at the Birchmere! (njc) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Joni Fest [Peep Richman ] Happy birthday Ashara ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: DED Acoustic? ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re:2005 Joni Fest Photos ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: Joni Fest [Bob Muller ] to Bob and Richard njc [Em ] Subject: DED Acoustic? ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: Jonifest in Europe, Part 2 NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: Dr. Robert Moog (1934-2005) njc [Bob Muller ] RE: Dr. Robert Moog (1934-2005) njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] French Jonifest 2005 Pictures [Chris Marshall ] RE: Jonifest in Europe, Part 2 NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] re: DED Acoustic? ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Dr. Robert Moog (1934-2005) njc [Randy Remote ] DED Accoustic ["Mike and Alice Hicks" ] Re: DED Acoustic? [Tejas4x4@aol.com] Re: DED Acoustic? ["Mark Scott" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:57:43 +0100 From: "Anita Gabrielle Tedder" Subject: Re: Joni Fest part 2 from Bobnjc Bob wrote: "Sunday night was more great food and song, but despite this the highlight of the night was given to us by Rajah, the resident German Shepard, who fell head over heels with Martin and in the middle of Anita's set got caught up in the moment and started humping his leg!" I can't believe this dog turned into a gay dog with the thing about Martin, because it followed Steph and I around the whole of day 1 and had eyes for no-one else but else. I thought Rajah must have heard about my latest album 'Dog Hump Dog' and it was his tribute to my dogerwauling. A xx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 04:06:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: DED Acoustic? And here's a nice piano-only version of "Impossible Dreamer" from the same 'Rock Master Class' show: http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=093YN1PRQUS5I23899EIOQWAVH Happy Monday, all...back to work - Ugh. Bob Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:02:57 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Funk Brothers at the Birchmere! (njc) Yo dude! I am so busted!!!! Earth to Sherelle! Earth to Sherelle! Right now I'm going, "Aaaaaagggghhh!!!! He worked with the Funk Brothers! He worked with the Funk Brothers!!!!" Gloat on brother man!!!!! I love it!!!! I'm sorry you didn't get a chance to talk to Tom Scott but you have to follow your heart! I know you will have another opportunity. Who knows Paz? He may have been going through something at the time. You did the right thing IMO. Joan Osborne is something else isn't she? I love her!!! And we don't even have to speak on Chaka Khan! What a talent!!! How terrific that you had a chance to hear the songs performed by them and the Funk Brothers just like the movie!!!! Amazing! They seemed like jokesters even on stage! I'm so glad you had a chance to hang out with them! That is amazing! (Oh by the way the word I've been trying to use to explain my emotions is Faklempt...thanks Bo!) Anyway I was overcome by emotion just at the sight of them! I can only imagine what it was like to talk and joke around with them! You definitely have to keep that one in your memory bank! Paz I am so happy that you were able to experience them so up close and personal! I too have to buy the DVD because of Detroit. It is a very special place with very special people. Everyone seems to come out of that city kicking major musical buttocks!!!! Love, Sherelle >From: Michael Paz >To: Sherelle Smith , Joni Digest >Subject: Re: Funk Brothers at the Birchmere! (njc) >Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:13:32 -0500 > >Sherelle > >Yo girl I am tired of living vicariously thru you and parallel universes at >the same time. Did I post on the list about working with the Funk >Brothers?? >I think I did. But if not to recap a bit and gloat. They did a corporate >show here in NO at the Municipal Auditorium. I got the gig to do all audio, >lighting, and backline for the show. At lunch time I went up to the lunch >room and sat just a few feet away from Tom Scott who was the MD for the >show. I resisted talking talking to him cause it just did not feel right, >but I regret that now. Anyways the show was off the charys including vocals >by Joan Osbourne (who kicked my ass), Chaka (who needs no other adjectives) >and a host of other singers. It was a great show and besides all that Jack >was driving the limo bus for them and I took a ride with him with the band >and had some laughs as well. I need to by the DVD of Standing in the >Shadows >of Motown cause it was such a beautiful story about my old hometown and >those cats were bad... Anyways I loved your story and wish I could have >been >there to hang with you. > >Love > >Paz > > > Oh my gosh! Oh my gosh!!! > > > > I am still floating two feet above the ground! By chance I happened to >pick > > up a copy of one of our express newspapers last Thursday or Friday and I >saw > > where the Funk Brothers were coming to the Birchmere in Northern >Virginia. > > Even though I am terrified of driving in this Metro traffic, I had to >go!!! > > > > I emailed a friend of mine who frequents the venue a lot for >instructions on > > what to do once I got there. (I'd never been there before) I had heard >that > > there was no assigned seating so I wanted to make sure I did it right to >get > > the best seat. She told me to show up no later than 4 and get in line >(the > > show started at 7:30). The doors would open at 5 so that everyone could >get > > a ticket to determine their place in line for seating once the stage >area > > opened up at 6. I was fourth in line. The area we waiting in was out of >the > > sun and there were benches lined against the building so that everyone >could > > sit. The first person their said she could not sit (she had a cane) and >so > > she leaned against her car parked in front of us in the handicapped >section. > > The next thing I knew, she hit the ground with a "thud" which went right > > through me! The lady behind me called 911 and they arrived within five > > minutes, thank goodness! We stepped away and let the paramedics do their > > job. We were later informed that she was taken to the hospital. That and >the > > fact that my tail pipe came loose going over the biggest speedbump I'd >ever > > seen made me wonder if I should have turned around and gone back home. I >am > > so glad that I didn't! > > > > I was third in line going into the staged area of the venue and I went > > straight to the front!!!! I was there to see bassist Bob Babbit and when >I > > saw the bass in the base stand, I sat down right in front of it! The > > Birchmere is also a fine eating establishment so I ordered chicken pot >pie > > for myself and it was delicious! (They serve until 8 pm). I met some >very > > great people who kept me company (Hubby had to work) and when the lights > > dimmed, this feeling of excitement came over me!!!!!! I'd heard that >only > > three of the Funk Brothers (Uriel Jones-drums, Bob Babbit-bass, and >Eddie > > Willis-guitar) would be performing and I wasn't sure if things would be >the > > same but man! I was not dissapointed!!!!!!! > > > > The sound of a radio broadcast from the 60's played while Eddie Willis >made > > his way onto the stage. He had a cane and made his way slowly to the >stool > > he would sit on throughout the performance. Seeing him took my breath > > away!!!!! I was five feet from him if that!!!! Then Bob Babbit, and >Uriel > > Jones made their way onto the stage and for some reason, I was overcome >with > > emotion and started crying like a baby! They so deserved this long >awaited > > spotilight! Bob Babbit was sitting right in front of me and probably >thought > > I'd lost my mind! (smile) I spent most of the night with my hand over my > > mouth in disbelief! > > > > I think I was most overcome when Bob Babbit played the famous bass line >in > > "What's Going On". That is the album where they were first recognized by > > name. Babbit (as everyone calls him) would close his eyes and just play >to > > the grove. You couldn't help but go there with him. Eddie Willis was >playing > > rhythm guitar with one of the guitarists from Rare Earth (who was also > > briefly in the movie) and it was so fantastic to see how they >complimented > > each other. One would always play higher on the frets and the other >would > > play lower. They would switch up on different songs. Uriel Jones had >every > > original beat down perfectly. I can't tell you what is was like to be >that > > close to such legends! I had to fight the urge not to cry during the >entire > > show! > > > > Their singers were all from Detroit and they were fantastic! I think the > > best song of the night was "What Becomes of the Brokenhearted". They did >it > > EXACTLY like the movie. The sound was absolutely incredible!!! They had > > three horn players with one of them playing that huge saxophone that >seems > > to be five foot tall! > > > > At the end of the set, everyone was on their feet and I was so sad it >was > > almost over. The fellow next to me pushed me forward to shake Bob >Babbit's > > hand. What an honor!!!! I was also able to shake Uriel Jones hand and > > then...the encore! My goodness! They played the most rousing version of > > "Shotgun" I've ever heard!!!!! We went crazy!!!!! Each Funk Brother did >a > > solo and Bob Babbit stood up, closed his eyes and played his heart >out!!!! > > You could see they were tired so it was definitely the last song. > > > > As they started to leave the stage, the fellow next to me actually got >Uriel > > Jone's drum sticks! Uriel said, "What am I going to play with man?" > > jokingly. What a nice payback for pushing me towards the front to shake > > hands! Bob Babbit looked back at me and I ws able to say "Thank you". He > > smiled and nodded and for me, it did not get any better than that. I >turned > > to go because the desires of my heart had been fulfilled. I shook hands >with > > Bob Babbit...what more was there? > > > > Going out the door, I saw the stretch limo waiting to take them away and >I > > thought to myself, "how perfectly fitting!"... A limo long enough for >the > > souls of all the Funk Brothers who are no longer here...James Jamison, > > Pistol Allen, Benny Benjamin, Earl Van Dyke, and Robert White if I've > > remembered everyone. For everything they've done and contributed to R&B > > music in this century, this tribute by me is pitifully woeful of what >they > > really deserve. > > > > Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 07:22:47 -0700 From: Subject: YouSendIt Delivery Notification: D3T02.mp3 Hello, You've got a file called "D3T02.mp3" (4828 KB) from anima_rising@yahoo.ca waiting for download. anima_rising@yahoo.ca says: Here's an mp3 of "Number One" from the Amnesty concert, 1986. You can click on the following link to retrieve your file. The link will expire in 7 days and will be available for a limited number of downloads. Regular link (for all web browsers): http://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3MEDLK7Z7FI442J7DYTMNKJ2JB - ----- File too big for email? Try YouSendIt at http://www.yousendit.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 07:53:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re: Joni Fest Many, many thanks to Bob for a beautifully crafted written description of all that went on at the Fest. And Jamie, the photographs were terrific. THANK YOU!!!!! It seems to me, from your description, Bob, that all the magic of Joni was captured at the physical site of the Fest. It's so wonderful to know that friends are united and a wonderful time was had by all. I wasn't fully aware that so many of the writers on the Digest are musicians! Just a quick note about a DVD I watched this weekend...called "Off The Map" with Joan Allen,Valentina de Angelis and Sam Elliot. It was one of my all time favorites....hopefully some of you will rent a copy. All is well in the Dog Days of August in New Jersey. What a HOT and HUMID summer!!! Love to all! Bo - --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:33:11 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Happy birthday Ashara A little bird told me that Ashara is celebrating a certain number of years on this planet today. Happy birthday Ashara! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:19:32 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Re: DED Acoustic? And let's not forget the acoustic version of Impossible Dreamer, also available on the Rock Master Class set from 85. In fact, it is my favourite of the three. Gorgeous piano. Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. 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Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:00:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni Fest Glad you enjoyed it, Bo - of course as anyone who has attended one of these will tell you, I only touched on the tip of the iceberg...I didn't even mention the part about walking up to the upper pool to discover Claudia & Lucy swimming in their birthday suits! And damn good ones as well - some have CD's out there, and just as many should have. Bob - --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:08:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: to Bob and Richard njc thanks for putting up those links to the acoustic-ish live versions. Em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:44:37 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Subject: DED Acoustic? Dontpoll, You are preaching to the JMDL choir. Amen. I'd by buy less ornate "takes", if they were also available. In addition to the 3 outtakes you found on "The Complete Geffen Recordings", there's a clearer, remixed version of "Paprika Plains" on "Songs of a Prairie Girl". I think Joni will keep giving us rarities in this piecemeal fashion. I think she's too much of a perfectionist to give us a whole box of rarities, all at once. There's 5 minute remix version of "Shiny Toys" around. I think it might be a 12" single. (Fact checkers please note I said, "I think!") My favorite take of "3 Great Stimulants" is the one she did at the Amnesty International 25th Anniversary (June 16, 1985). I won't tell you why; you should discover it on the JMDL video collections. I think parts of the first Carnegie Hall show (on video) have been excerpted here and there. I'd like to see a full-on DVD release of that. "I send up my prayer..." Jim L'Hommedieu DontPoll@aol said in part, >I recently purchased the Geffen Box Set, After hearing Joni's piano-only demo of "Good Friends", it made me long to hear more of these songs in a stripped down setting. Which leads to my next question - are there any plans for a rarities/outtakes compilation? Many bands do this; a lot of people don't care about that sort of stuff, but I like hearing bare bones versions of songs. Of course, it wouldn't matter much for her earlier work (would demos on STAS sound much different from the final product?). But on her 80's material, I'd love to hear some.> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:47:10 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Re: Jonifest in Europe, Part 2 NJC Nice job, Bob. Thanks. Jim Covington, KY - ---------------------------------- "The only things we own are the moments. Everything else is like a book borrowed from the library: it will all be returned." Karin Berquist of 'Over The Rhine' - ---------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:54:07 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Re: Jonifest in Europe, Part 2 NJC Ms. Stansfield? Is there something you'd like to share with the class? Jim Covington, KY Muller said, >And you're right...Ashara pre-announced another Full Moon Fest for April 2007, so start saving those GBP's now.> Jim Covington, KY np: Joni's piano-only version of the song "Dog Eat Dog" at the aforementioned Amnesty Intl show. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:19:52 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Dr. Robert Moog (1934-2005) njc He passed from this life in Ashville, North Carolina. (Victor, if you're lurking and you still live in Ashville, the public memorial is Wednesday.) Like Carl Sagan, Moog went to Cornell. (Hi Patti. Have you seen Mac lately?) Remember, "Moog" rhymes with vogue. I wonder what Keith Emerson and Rick Wakeman are thinking today. Amen, Jim Covington, KY np: "Lucky Man" at 3/4 volume, in memory of a fine technician. I just noticed that ELP's first album was engineered by Eddie Offord. I don't know why I remember this, but I remember seeing Eddie Offord's name in the credits of "The Yes Album". Sure enough, he co-produced with Yes. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:41:12 -0400 From: Patti Witten Subject: Re: Dr. Robert Moog (1934-2005) njc jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > Like Carl Sagan, Moog went to Cornell. (Hi Patti. Have you seen Mac > lately?) Hi Jim, When I heard I began thinking about David Borden and Mother Mallard9s Portable Masterpiece Co., who were an ensemble performing on moogs here in the 70s. http://www.mothermallard.cornell.edu/history.html Then I thought about all the bands I knew here, especially funk bands, that used synthesizers. And the commercial records, too. That solo in "Lucky Man" epitomizes the sound for me. Nice memories! Umm, but... who's Mac? Benford? Maybe one of my marbles has fallen out (looking, looking...) A Mac G5 is staring at me, so at least I know where that is (whew!). Patti - -- Patti Witten on I-Town Records www.itownrecords.com MySpace http://myspace.com/pattiwitten http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:58:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Dr. Robert Moog (1934-2005) njc Subject: RE: Dr. Robert Moog (1934-2005) njc :) Sometimes Sue McNamara refered to herself as "Mac". Have you seen Sue lately? Jim np: "Starship Trooper" on "The Yes Album", with Bill Bruford on drums. He was a whip-smart, dangerous drummer. (Tony Kaye on Moog and keys.) > From: Patti Witten [mailto:patti@pattiwitten.com] > Umm, but... who's Mac? Benford? Maybe one of my marbles has fallen out > (looking, looking...) A Mac G5 is staring at me, so at least I know where > that is (whew!). Jim said something like, >>"Have you seen Mac lately?">> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:15:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Dr. Robert Moog (1934-2005) njc And why let those prog-rockers have all the Moog fun? Here's a "Both Sides Now" played exclusively on Moog by Dick Hyman. http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1NUEQRH2BXPYA3LJ9A3XJX0GAW RIP Dr. Robert... Bob - --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:52:17 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: French Jonifest 2005 Pictures Mine are uploading (as we speak) to the hatstand.org gallery. As more people upload, galleries will appear here:- http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/jonifest2005 Enjoy! - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:26:30 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Jonifest in Europe, Part 2 NJC She's out celebrating her birthday! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 7:54 PM To: JMDL Cc: AsharaJM Subject: Re: Jonifest in Europe, Part 2 NJC Ms. Stansfield? Is there something you'd like to share with the class? Jim Covington, KY Muller said, >And you're right...Ashara pre-announced another Full Moon Fest for April 2007, so start saving those GBP's now.> Jim Covington, KY np: Joni's piano-only version of the song "Dog Eat Dog" at the aforementioned Amnesty Intl show. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:17:57 -0400 From: mm mclaughlin Subject: Joni Hi Everyone, Just found this site and I'm so excited to join. I've been a fan of Joni's since the beginning and it's been great to read all of the tidbits of news and views of other fans of her wonderful music. Does anyone know of a good source for acquiring rare CDs or albums, eg, those that date back to the 70s and/or older live recordings? I would really appreciate any tips. Take care, Mercedes M. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:05:05 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: DED Acoustic? You mean Boyd is the guy who sang "your serpent cannot be denied" on DJRD? Oh, please slide down the ice berg and share some more of your stories. What about the Tequila Anaconda - any relationship? This all sounds so wonderful! Mia - (who is very happy her computer is finally working again - - darn crapware!) <> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:11:32 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Dr. Robert Moog (1934-2005) njc "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" wrote: > He passed from this life in Ashville, North Carolina. > I wonder what Keith Emerson and Rick > Wakeman are thinking today. "The sound defined progressive music as we know it," ELP's keyboardist Keith Emerson said. 1964: Moog's first synth developed 1968: "Switched-On Bach" becomes first classical album to go platinum Other memorable Moog moments: Wakeman's solo on "And You And I" (Yes) / Beatles' "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" / McCartney's "Band On The Run" Also, bluegrass fiddle great Vassar Clements died last week. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:48:42 -0400 From: "Mike and Alice Hicks" Subject: DED Accoustic Bob, Thanks so much for sharing that Joni DED accoustic. Is she talented or what? To take a simple song and make a beautiful, sweet masterpiece with just one instrument...piano. So pure. Joni is the purest form of art that I know. Hey Bob. How could I download that song onto a disc from your mail or is that possible? And would you mind if I did if it were possible? Nevermind. Somehow it appeared on my Ipod after going to that website. How did that work. Mike NP : Doves - Almost Forgot Myself ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:03:46 EDT From: Tejas4x4@aol.com Subject: Re: DED Acoustic? Hi Mia, Yes, Boyd is the voice of "your serpent cannot be denied" Can't say if there is a connection with Tequila Anaconda, but i would venture to say probably not. Like I said Boyd is from Valentine, a small West Texas town. Also is Alpine and Marfa (have you heard of the Marfa Lights? VERY COOL) which are all very close together and the geography is prairie land at high altitude. Boyd is an artist and you probably would know him by the cover art he did on one of the Eagles albums (Cow Skull). This is how Joni and Boyd made a connection and became friends. Joni likened this area to where she grew up in Canada. Thanks for asking..glad i could share...take care, tejas ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:48:33 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: DED Acoustic? - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Hi Mia, > > Yes, Boyd is the voice of "your serpent cannot be denied" Can't say if > there > is a connection with Tequila Anaconda, but i would venture to say probably > not. Like I said Boyd is from Valentine, a small West Texas town. Also is > Alpine and Marfa (have you heard of the Marfa Lights? VERY COOL) which > are all > very close together and the geography is prairie land at high altitude. > Boyd is > an artist and you probably would know him by the cover art he did on one > of > the Eagles albums (Cow Skull). This is how Joni and Boyd made a connection > and became friends. Joni likened this area to where she grew up in Canada. > Thanks for asking..glad i could share...take care, tejas ;-) > I looked this up the other night and the voice of the Split Tongued Spirit on DJRD is humorously credited to 'El Bwyd'. I always wondered who this was. This would seem to explain it. Boyd Elder - El Bwyd. Great story. Thanks for sharing it. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #322 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)