From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #304 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, August 7 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 304 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Is Joni A Loon?:) [Nuriel Tobias ] Early Joni [Bob Muller ] Re: earth honoring, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Is Joni A Loon?:) ["JR" ] Re: Early Joni ["JR" ] Jamie on Joni ["Patti Parlette" ] Songs of a Prarie Girl ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Hiroshima, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Subject: Re: Is Joni A Loon?:) ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Jamie on Joni NJC [Bob Muller ] Joni/James tracklist [Bob Muller ] njc, jmdl.com ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: njc, jmdl.com [Bob Muller ] New Library addition: 'The Missing Music' [LesIrvin@jmdl.com] Joni a flake [Kate ] Four Ages Of Joni MItchell? [Jamie Zubairi ] njc, OH HAPPY DAY! ["Patti Parlette" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 04:09:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Is Joni A Loon?:) No doubt Jamie has sent us some enlightment. Like senior Smurf i also found it to refreshing. If i may add, then i'll say Joni is "normal" when it comes to overviewing others and gets a bit edgy when it comes to singing about hersel. And hell, why not, i love loons and moons. Yours, Nuri Smurf wrote: - --- Jamie wrote: > You asked... it's nearly 2am and I'm thinking in > overdrive... But you are thinking very well. I have never pondered this stage of Joni's life so deeply, Jamie, but everything you said rings clear -- and fresh! -- which is difficult to do with someone who's been a Joni fan for more than 30 years and on this list for more than 5. Speaking of "I told you when I met you I was crazy," Sam Phillips has a line that echoes that for me. She sings, "I was broken when you got me" in a song called "How to Stop." - --Smurf __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 05:29:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Early Joni Hi JR - and welcome! That early period of Joni's is also my favorite. Especially the early unreleased songs. Here's what I have in the '66-'70 period - I'm happy to trade or to make copies for blanks & postage. (Some of this may be on the P2P JMDL sharing hub if you're into that): "Joni Mitchell Sings Joni Mitchell" (the audio from the Pink Dress Concert) Mariposa Folk Festival, 7/26/70 Worcester Polyechnic Institute, 12/5/69 PBS-TV, 11/30/69 (a broadcast of a summer performance) Joni with James Taylor, Paris Cinema/London, England 10/29/70 Newport Folk Festival, 7/19/69 Unknown Venue, 1968 Ed Sciaky/Gene Shay broadcast of early recordings & interviews,WMMR-FM, Club 47/Cambridge MA January '68 Top Gear 9/23/68 + Johnny Cash performances 69/70 The White Swan/Leicester UK, 9/67 2nd Fret; 3/17/67 "Looking Out For Love" bootleg, Misc appearnces 67-69 Gerdes Folk City/New York, NY 01/67 "Let's Sing Out" appearances, 1965 & 1966 (video also available - and incredible) The Second Fret Sets - 2CD bootleg Bob NP: Dave van Ronk, "That Song About The Midway" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:50:54 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: earth honoring, njc An earthy mother wrote: How about if we all give simple ways that we can honor the earth? Hi earthy, My simple suggestion for honoring the earth is to promote the end of artificial segregation of what is and what isn't natural... let the segregation walls come tumbling down in order to give to the Earth all that is Hers, namely every part of creation regardless of what creature forms it. Some possible ways: 1) bring some of what is OUTside your house INside; for example plants, rocks, and animals 2) bring some of what is INside your house OUTside; for example "house" plants, colored glass, and "domesticated" animals 3) practice Feng Shui in your home as well as in your garden 4) hang clothes inside the house to dry, not just outside 5) open a window to hear the birds and the bugs in the trees, and sing so they can hear you too 6) wear dress clothes while hiking through the woods at dawn and wear blue jeans and a tie dye tee-shirt while hiking through a high rise downtown at the start of business hours 7) burn incense by an open window so some of it stays inside and some of it goes outside through the common air as a prayer for world peace Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:45:22 -0400 From: "JR" Subject: Re: Is Joni A Loon?:) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nuriel Tobias" To: Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 7:09 AM Subject: Re: Is Joni A Loon?:) >And hell, why not, i love loons and moons. I'm rather fond of moons and Junes, m'self....;-) JR in NH ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 09:22:41 -0400 From: "JR" Subject: Re: Early Joni Hi Bob! Wow! That's a schweeeeet early Joni list! I've also got that Joni/James show from London, though I've always suspected that there was a fair amount of the show that I've been missing. My track list is: Midway, Gallery, Rainy Day Man, Steamroller, Priest, Carey, Carolina, California, For Free, Circle Game, You Can Close Your Eyes. Is there more to that recording, or is that it? And what's up with James at the beginning of For Free, describing it as a 'kind of a cowboy song'??!! It never struck me as anything like that! Anyway, I've also got those Gene Shay shows and Johnny Cash shows, on a couple of 90-min. tapes, if I recall. I just love the story she tells about writing Carey in Matala, Crete, and how he was collecting those Mickey Mouse chocolate wrappers, and she was thrown out for trying to wash out the grime of the desert from his turban in a bidet in a pension in Athens! She was (and is) a very funny storyteller. Apart from the early shows, I'm also really happy to have a very nice recording of the only show that I saw in person, at Boston Common on July 20, 1983. What nuts it took to stop the show halfway through Song for Sharon, saying " I've got a weird quirk, I have NEVER been able to play to people milling around EVER in my life,man....I'm sorry, I just can't get into it. I'm gonna go take about ten minutes, and compose myself, so you can find your seats and we can do this thing".... I was floored! It was about two ar three years later that I found the tape, and was I ecstatic!! Anyway, before this reaches publishable length, I'll wrap it up. Thanks for writing, and I guess I'll be sending some discs for some b 'n p's. As she said at the end of that Boston show: "Thank you for your attention". Cheers! JR in NH NP: Aimee Mann, The Forgotten Arm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:24:34 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Jamie on Joni Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:21:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Is Joni A Loon?:) - - --- Jamie wrote: >You asked... it's nearly 2am and I'm thinking in >overdrive... But you are thinking very well. I have never pondered this stage of Joni's life so deeply, Jamie, but everything you said rings clear -- and fresh! -- which is difficult to do with someone who's been a Joni fan for more than 30 years and on this list for more than 5. - ------------ Oh, please forgive me, but can I do a verboten "me, too!"? Jamie, that was outstanding. A round resounding for you way out here in New England! Applause, applause, Joni's life is our cause, and when I think of your interpretation, Jamie, my mind see saws! Encore, encore! To me, your analysis/interpretation of this period gives new and deeper meaning to the lyrics "...only a dark cocoon before I get my gor-or-or-orgeous wings and fly away, only a phase these dark cafe days...." She knew she was a little stuck, but she was also hopeful, knowing that she'd get out of it. And "gorgeous wings" is right -- look at all the *gorgeous* stuff she went on to do! Joni is a great therapist. Whenever I get the blues inside and outside my head, I just think of those lyrics about gorgeous wings, and hope springs eternal. SIQUOMB, indeed. Everyday she give me more to marvel at. There is no other. Love, Patti P., waiting to hear from Julius, but otherwise having a lovely Saturday Chelsea Morning P.S. Is anyone else having trouble connecting to jmdl.com today? I can't access the lyrics database to check my lyrics. I don't know if it's my computer or me or what. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 10:43:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Songs of a Prarie Girl As one who originally spoke negatively of all these compilations, I'm changing my mind. They are not the retreads most artists put out, but carefully remastered (remixed, R.R. :)) and packaged. It gives even this old fan a chance to reappreciate some of Joni's work by giving it a new listen. Simon and I talked a while back, and as he was about Dylan live, he was right. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 11:00:45 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Hiroshima, njc Japan Remembers Nuclear Bombing 60th Anniversary of Hiroshima Explosion Marked With Silence By ERIC TALMADGE, AP HIROSHIMA, Japan (Aug. 6) -- Hiroshima marked the 60th anniversary Saturday of the first atomic bomb attack with prayers and water for the dead and a call by the city's mayor for nuclear powers to abandon their arsenals and stop ''jeopardizing human survival.'' At 8:15 a.m., the instant of the blast, the city's trolleys stopped and more than 55,000 people assembled at Peace Memorial Park observed a moment of silence that was broken only by the ringing of a bronze bell. A flock of doves was released into the sky. Then wreaths and ladles of water - - symbolizing the suffering of those who died in the atomic inferno - were offered at a simple, arch-shaped stone monument at the center of the park. Outside the nearby A-Bomb Dome, one of the few buildings left standing after the blast, peace activists held a die-in to commemorate the bombing that turned life to death for more than 140,000 and forever changed the face of war. Fumie Yoshida was just 16 when Hiroshima was bombed. She survived but lost her father, brother and sister. On Saturday, she chose not to attend the formal memorial, but with a small group of friends paid her respects privately in the peace park. ''My father's remains have never been found,'' she said. ''Those of us who went through this all know that we must never repeat this tragedy. But I think many Japanese today are forgetting.'' In a ''Peace Declaration,'' Hiroshima's outspoken Mayor Tadatoshi Akiba vowed to never allow a repeat of the tragedy and gave an impassioned plea for the abolition of nuclear weapons, saying the United States, Russia and other members of the nuclear club are ''jeopardizing human survival.'' ''Many people around the world have succumbed to the feeling that there is nothing we can do,'' he said. ''Within the United Nations, nuclear club members use their veto power to override the global majority and pursue their selfish objectives.'' In a more subdued speech, Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi offered condolences for the dead. ''I offer deep prayers from my heart to those who were killed,'' he said, vowing that Japan would be a leader in the international movement against nuclear proliferation. Though Hiroshima has risen from the rubble to become a thriving city of 3 million, most of whom were born after the war, the anniversary underscores its ongoing tragedy. Officials estimate that about 140,000 people were killed instantly or died within a few months after the Enola Gay dropped its deadly payload over the city, which then had a population of about 350,000. Three days later, another U.S. bomber, Bock's Car, dropped a plutonium bomb on the Japanese city of Nagasaki, killing about 80,000 people. Japan surrendered on Aug. 15, 1945, ending World War II. Including those initially listed as missing or who died afterward from a loosely defined set of bomb-related ailments, including cancers, Hiroshima officials now put the total number of dead in this city alone at 242,437. This year, 5,373 more names were added to the list. 08/06/05 08:42 EDT Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 11:15:02 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Re: Is Joni A Loon?:) I enjoyed your post, Jamie. Thanks. Jim L'Hommedieu Covington, KY, US Note: The assertions in this email have not yet be validated by the JMDL community. I will, of course, retract any memory, opinion, allegation, or compliment that anyone finds inaccurate or objectionable. I reserve the right to make weekly batches. >Hello Nuriel If you read Court and Spark like a diary, a collection of thoughts of a period of time, you would get the sense that Joni was certainly going through it at that point. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:16:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Jamie on Joni NJC I couldn't get to it either, so it's not just you. Bob - --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:19:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni/James tracklist JR, The complete tracklist for the Joni/James show is: 1. Joni - That Song About The Midway 2. Joni - The Gallery 3. James - Rainy Day Man 4. James - Steamroller Blues 5. Joni - The Priest 6. Joni - Carey 7. James - Carolina In My Mind 8. Both - California 9. Both - For Free 10. Both - The Circle Game 11. Both - You Can Close Your Eyes 12. Joni - Hunter 13. Joni - River 14. Joni - My Old Man 15. Both - A Case of You 16. Joni - Carey (with extended story) Bob Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 15:28:41 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, jmdl.com >today? > > >I couldn't get to it either, so it's not just you. > >Bob > I just got into it, so I guess it's okay now. Phew! It's like when you lose your "electricity" -- when you're without it, and then it comes back on, you really learn to appreciate it! Long live jmdl.com! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:48:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: njc, jmdl.com And while you're there, you can check out my Undercovers Page and see that I hit the 1800 mark! Cool. Bob NP: Tori, "Precious Things"...ooh, that just ended and Joni's "Boho Dance" came on, which is awesome but it reminds me that my hissing summer lawn is calling me... Patti Parlette wrote: > >today? > > >I couldn't get to it either, so it's not just you. > >Bob > I just got into it, so I guess it's okay now. Phew! It's like when you lose your "electricity" -- when you're without it, and then it comes back on, you really learn to appreciate it! Long live jmdl.com! Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:59:05 -0400 From: LesIrvin@jmdl.com Subject: New Library addition: 'The Missing Music' The following has been recently added to the JMDL Library: Title: The Missing Music Publication: Speakeasy Magazine Date: 2005-7-1 Type: Appreciation Find it here under "Most recent additions...": http://jmdl.com/library ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 12:08:44 -0600 From: Kate Subject: Joni a flake onlyJMDL Digest: > I often wonder if Joni conciders herself crazy. My friend of 30 years, who was my roommate for a year when we were about 19 and has never warmed up to Joni's music because I overdosed her on it back then, recently said "I've tried many times to like it but it just irritates me. And in that Reader's Digest interview, she comes across as a flake." I just laughed. My friend might be right. Anyone who says they are not a feminist has something wrong with her head! but lyrically, musically, vocally, to me Joni is a genius. Kate journal ~ http://xoetc.antville.org correspondence ~ http://letterwritershotel.blogspot.com fiction ~ http://stubblejump.diaryland.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:06:25 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Four Ages Of Joni MItchell? I've been thinking (after reading 'The Missing Music' from todays' recent library addition that there must be four ages of Joni Mitchell. Would we agree this? I don't know if you would but to me I distinguish these by voice, themes, musical arrangement. The Early Period This is at least from 1966 to 1972 The Middle Period (or Joni's Jazz Age) From 1974 to 1981. Although jazz to Joni has been a strand throught her music, it's only in this period where she starts playing with Jazzers and influences her sound. Hey we have drums in more than one song! The Angry Years From 1982 to 1988 Even though this period starts off with an album that mentions 'love' 44 times (or something like that, I'm paraphrasing - it might be 78 times) this period is marked by synthesizers, a lower range in her vocal, a more hard, rock sound and songs which have a more overt political, eco-aware Joni. Later Works From 1991 to present day (but I will accept a cut-off point at 1997) And marks a return to the acoustic instrument, a broadening of themes, a return to love. I don't know why I had to categorise this, but I just felt the urge, y'know? Much Joni Jamie Zoob going swimming ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 20:55:22 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, OH HAPPY DAY! Julius just called (4:25 EST Saturday) to say he is picking up Gail to bring her home! My hands are shaking as I write -- I hadn't heard from him in 48 hours and was concerned. So when I said: "Is everything okay?" and he said: "I'm bringing her HOME!" I just screamed into the phone: "How happy are YOU? On a scale of 1-10? One hundred?" and he said: "One thousand. And Gail is one million!" He is just blown away. I reminded him that a mere two weeks ago, they were sitting by the phone. But of course, he knows that. He's lived it. He told me he called his Mom first, and then us (Team Gail). Deep breath. We hung up as he was pulling into the parking lot of UCSF Medical Center, and he said what a beautiful building it is. Another deep breath. God bless the donor and his family. God bless the transplant team. God bless Julius and Gail. God bless us, everyone! Laughing and crying, Patti P. P.S. Julius says he'll be posting soon. P.S.S. I assembled my "TO:" list really quickly so pardon me if I added your name twice, or forgot anyone. Racing away......... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #304 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)