From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #285 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, July 21 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 285 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Joni Mitchell Tribute in Denver - SOLD OUT NJC now [Bob Muller Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell Tribute in Denver - SOLD OUT NJC now Hey that's news I can USE, Patrick - thanks so much for the boost. Send me your snail mail addy and a copy of #67 is on its way to you. I hope Lynn isn't offended by anything in my message, I'm sure it was an honest mistake (payment was made via Paypal on her website). I have a similar problem with trying to buy these college acapella CD's...they give you an address to mail a check to but nobody ever checks the mailbox. But at least with them they typically have an email contact so you can follow up. It'll sure seem weird being at a Jonifest without you around! Bob NP: The Kinks, "Apeman" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:40:12 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell Tribute in Denver - SOLD OUT dear bob; les put lynn in touch with me before she visited new york in may, and i got to hear her live (she did a killer 'little green') i've forwarded your message to her and hopefully she'll sort out the cd, either by contacting you directly or working through me. i have a copy, i adore it, including the cover of 'help me'. i sure wish i could be at the joni thing in denver, i'm betting it'll be a killer show. i've heard some soundcheck samples from the first concert dress rehearsal. she's originally classically trained, now her voice is more jazzy and just beautiful. she's also a lovely person; my sister and i attended a choral concert together while she was here. patrick np - etta james (and her mother), blue gardenia - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:09 PM To: JMDL Subject: Joni Mitchell Tribute in Denver - SOLD OUT http://www.lynnskinner.com/ This show in Denver, CO was originally scheduled a couple of months ago and a freak snowstorm (Randy Remote insert freak joke here) postponed it to July 30, and now it's a sellout! Boy, people can't get enough of those Joni covers! The original concert was going to be recorded for a CD; I don't know if that's still the plan but I'm keeping an eye on the website so y'all know I'll keep you posted. Lynn does a cover of "Help Me" on her already released CD; I've bought a copy but I never got it, dammit. I hate when that happens, and there's no way to get an email to her either. In other Joni cover news, West Coast diva Lorraine Gervais (she's released Blue Motel Room and sent me an EXCLUSIVE recording of A Case of You previously) is covering Edith & The Kingpin on her upcoming CD - hear a two-minute clip at: http://www.lorrainegervais.com/pages/samples.html That's all for now...of course hot on the heels of the well-received Volume 66 we'll have another impressive bouquet (or maybe Banquet is a better word) of Joni covers to feast on in a week or so. Bob NP: Nick Drake, "From The Morning" (every song he did is simply gorgeous) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:33:04 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: RE: Woo-hoo! Jonibashing in Canada's Reader's Digest website Walt wrote: > Now back to me -- if anyone knows this gentleman (on this > list? I doubt it!), please put a lit paper sack of fresh > poo on his front porch and run just far enough away to > capture him on film stomping it out. I'll reimburse you > personally. That's our Roberto all right! And I kind of agree with him (although maybe not with such vehemence). I wish Joni hadn't gotten so bitter and twisted about the music business, but let's face it, if "making music" was the single most important thing in her life, she'd still be doing it, regardless of how big the audience was, or how the music business received it (IMO, of course). It's perfectly fine if it's NOT the most important thing any more, but I wish she'd just leave it at that and move on! We've had a good number of great albums over the years, and I'm prepared to settle for that. But don't forget the question was: <> His comments could most definitely result in a fairly heated dinner-table fight if you got the right people from this list together ;o)! Hell ___________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:59:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: RE: Woo-hoo! Jonibashing in Canada's Reader's Digest website I think the most significant question is, how did the JMDL lose Roberto to the Canadian Reader's Digest site? ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 05:14:22 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Re: clean shoes and a red face (mine) (njc anymore) Hi, Patrick, and all (and Roberto, if you're reading this), <> Well, now I feel like I've stepped in some flaming poo myself -- I remember now meeting Robert(o) at the 2002 'fest, and enjoyed talking with him, etc. I'd forgotten his name in the meantime. And of course I didn't mean to suggest he didn't have the right to his opinion. I was more amused than irritated at the tirade. Fortunately, Patrick, you caught this in time, and straightened me (and any potential prankster) out before I had to go out and buy Robert a new pair of shoes. Peace to all, Walt-- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me > hey walt: > > first, let me express my happiness about your recent negative diagnosis and > my deep appreciation for your honesty in sharing the trials you've been > going through. i hope you'll continue to share. > > second, i must defend my friend robert holliston, who indeed has been a > member of the list for many years, usually signing his posts 'roberto'. > though he's not currently subscribed, he first joined the list seven or so > years ago and has attended many jonifests, both at ashara's and at full > moon, sharing his killer piano skills and warmth with many list members. > personally, his friendship has been one of the finest gifts this list has > brought me. he most recently visited joni list friends in boston and new > york in may of this year (he lives in victoria bc) > > about his musical bona fides, he toured internationally as a classical > pianist in his 20s, turned to accompanying (due to a dislike for the solo > musician life) and is on the keyboard faculty at the victoria conservatory > of music and is chorus-master and repetiteur for pacific opera victoria. > he's also a huge joni fan, having seen both the 'shadows and light' tour and > the dylan/van morrison tour in 1998. > > as for his rant about la mitchell, it's nothing many of us haven't felt and > said. joni's a great musical artist, but a monster of ego, and for those of > us who read her every eruption a little too closely, she's become very > tiresome. i mean how many times have we heard heard her say: > > 1) there's no one making anything original in music any more; > 2) no one has been spreading the alarm about political trends like she has; > and > 3) she doesn't believe in feminism because [insert self-serving and > dishonest excuse here]? > > i could quibble with roberto's harshness, but i think he nails joni's > hypocrisy, this women who rails about the music biz that has brought her so > much comfort and acclaim. and there are indeed times when her music doesn't > live up to her personal puffery, her last studio album: 'taming the tiger' > is decent enough with some truly fine songwriting, but its production is one > of the most lackluster efforts of the last 20 years by any mainstream > artist, final proof that joni should never again ask for a solo production > credit on an album. yet if you read her interviews of the time, you'd think > she invented the wheel. deluded, self-absorbed megalomaniac sounds about > right. > > i'm smiling as i write this. though i still subscribe to the list and read > nearly every post, i don't post often. threads that go by do affect me; i > just pulled out shawn colvin's 'steady on' and had a lovely listen. > > there are a lot of great musicians in the world, passionate, talented, > innovative, and often quite sophisticated politically. many musicians > complain about the state of the music biz and the world, some of them do > something about it. all joni ever does is complain. and she hasn't > innovated in a very, very long time. > > even now, if she doesn't feel the urge to write, i wish she'd keep on > exploring the american songbook. i think her voice is a miracle of > careworn, hard-earned beauty right now. > > patrick > > np - etta james, this bitter earth (from blue gardenia) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > littlebreen@comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:11 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Woo-hoo! Jonibashing in Canada's Reader's Digest website > > > Hi, gang, > > Was googling again, and came across this at Canada's reader's Digest > website -- sotrry if it's already been reported. It would appear that a > certain Mr. Hollister's panites are in a big bunch over *something*, > n'est-ce pas: > > > < start a good dinner-table fight? > > Date: June 25, 2005 > Name: Robert Holliston > > Comments: > I would like to challenge the belief that Joni Mitchell is now anything more > than a deluded, self-absorbed megalomaniac. If only she would be content for > us to admire her songs! But in interview after interview she insists that we > must be purified ten times over in the cleansing fire of her genius. Alas, > her songs don't stand up to that kind of scrutiny. She boasts - nay, > fetishizes - about her originality, but there is nothing in her music that > would have baffled Guillaume de Machaut (c. 1300-1377), Carlo Gesualdo > (1561-1613) or Claudio Monteverdi (1567 -1643), although much of it might > have bored them. As a wordsmith, she has never approached Cole Porter, > Stephen Sondheim or hosts of others, dating back to the 12th-century > troubadours. Now she wants us to think of her as a social critic - this > privileged woman who has never even voted. She petulantly refuses to accept > that many intelligent listeners - even those of us who have not given to the > world art so profound and sha! > ttering as "Empty, Try Another" - dismiss her "social anthems" not because > they are difficult but because they are laboured and trite. As if this isn't > enough, she rails against a music business that has allowed her to own a > mansion in Bel Air, acres of property in B.C., and, at various times, homes > in Malibu and New York City. When she claims, as she does in your interview, > to admire black singers, one wonders if she has ever considered Ruth Brown, > who could barely afford groceries; LaVern Baker, who couldn't get enough > work to support herself; Joe Turner, who at the end of his life was still > doing $50-a-night gigs: great black singers all. It's like overhearing > Katharine Hepburn complaining to Anne Frank because she didn't get to be as > old as George Burns. Joni Mitchell should be writhing on the floor in > shame!>> > > Now back to me -- if anyone knows this gentleman (on this list? I doubt > it!), please put a lit paper sack of fresh poo on his front porch and run > just far enough away to capture him on film stomping it out. I'll reimburse > you personally. > > Best to all, > > Walt > -- > Let the walls go tumbling down > Falling on the ground > And all the dogs go running free > The wild and gentle dogs > Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:23:07 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell Tribute in Denver - SOLD OUT > i sure wish i could be at the joni thing > in denver, i'm betting it'll be a killer show. I'll be there. And will report. :-) Les ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #285 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)