From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #275 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 12 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 275 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- thinking of you ["Anne Sandstrom" ] Re: winnipeg folk festival this weekend NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: njc, another mother for peace/ Joan Baez in the theatre [Em ] Re: njc, another mother for peace ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 05:57:26 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: thinking of you Dearest Michael, I will indeed keep your brother, you, and your family in my thoughts. How horrible that he suffered so. As dreadful as it is to die young, I think it's many times worse to see it coming from a long way away. I echo your thoughts on smoking. I know it's extremely difficult to stop. But I encourage anyone who's even vaguely considering quitting to give it another try. I'm sure you made the right decision, hard as it was, not to travel. I flew home, through Cincinnati the day the first big tropical storm came through there. It was absolute chaos, with everyone running (including us) to catch flights. And, I'll have to give the two tunes you mentioned a listen. lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:23:08 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: winnipeg folk festival this weekend NJC Hi Mags! This is the Folk Festival you have been telling me about! I am a little behind on digests so I hope you are having a good time there! (What's up with the heat so far north?) One day I will snag a guitarist and try to join in on it! Heck, I say all of the JMDL guitar efficianodos try to jump onto the bill! WE have so much talent here! Emmy Lou Harris...wow! (Jim...your girl!) Please enjoy all of the festivities and if you are already back. I hope you had a great time! Emmy Lou is coming this way to Wolftrap later this summer. It's good to know she is still performing strong! What a beautiful voice! It's so pure! Take care Mags! Love, Sherelle Mags wrote: http://www.winnipegfolkfestival.ca/ http://www.winnipegfolkfestival.ca/index.php?pageID=2005+PERFORMERS&subID=&tmpl=2 www.xavierrudd.com hello everyone, i cant sleep, it's too darned hot here in the Peg, so I thought I'd write a little about my adventures tomorrow on the prairie. I'm going to the country tomorrow, to see the last day's performances at the Winnipeg Folk Festival. (major huge event in Canada). Tomorrow evening is a big night, with Emmy Lou Harris , Xavier Rudd, Daniel Lanois, and Odetta on the main stage. All day long, there are various smaller stages with a host of folks from around the globe. Whilst it will be over 30C, I'm looking forward to this day more than words can express. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:28:05 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Thoughts and Shameless Self Promotion NJC Hi Jamie! No need to worry! I love this place because everyone appreciates everyone else's talents. It's a very rare thing indeed. I loved your commercial and both characters. My favorite part was at the very end when she said "Checkmate" and he just messed up the board! I loved the expression on her face! I'm laughing just thinking about it! Well done! Sherelle Jamie wrote: Anyway, if I haven't offended anyone by that, here's a link to my commercial. The production company have uploaded it to their website. You need to click on the 'Lighter Ways' commercial. http://vital-productions.com/vital-productions-london.php I hope everyone is well. Much Joni Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:33:39 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: njc, another mother for peace Dear Mark, Thank you for sharing these beautiful lyrics! I am just so tired of war and I want everyone back in their mother's arms...could it ever be that simple? Sherelle This was one of my suggestions to Marianne for her compilation. Here are the lyrics, for you, Patti P., brave Mother for Peace: ALL THE WEARY MOTHERS OF THE EARTH ( PEOPLE'S UNION # 1) (Words and Music by Joan Baez) All the weary mothers of the earth will finally rest We will take their babies in our arms and do our best When the sun is low upon the field To love and music they will yield And the weary mothers of the earth shall rest And the farmer on his tractor and beside his plow Will stand there in confusion as we wet his brow With the tears of all the businessmen Who see what they have done to him And the weary farmers of the earth shall rest And the aching workers of the world again shall sing These words in mighty choruses to all will bring "We shall no longer be the poor For no one owns us anymore" And the workers of the world again shall sing And when the soldiers burn their uniforms in every land The foxholes at the borders will be left unmanned General, when you come for the review The troops will have forgotten you And the men and women of the earth shall rest ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:37:12 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: njc, another mother for peace Whoa! That caught me off guard!!! Not sure if that's the Joan Baez I'm ready for but as long as she's happy doing it.... Sherelle Kerry wrote; Speaking of Joan Baez, you may wonder what she's up to these days. I came across this on a recent trip to San Francisco: http://love.zinzanni.org/ Kinda scary! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:51:14 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Prayer Oh Paz! Thank you for sharing this! Even now after so many years, this comforts me. Even with your loss, you comfort others. Thank you. I know it was hard for you to stay home but you did the right thing. I know your brother is proud of you. I just want you to know that as the days and weeks start going by, I will be here for you as will all of your JMDL family. We've gotten each other through a lot of tough times and we're not stopping now! We love you so much! Sherelle Paz wrote: BTW Here is the prayer that was read by the priest to close my brothers service. I think it says a lot. My sister La just sent it to me and I thought I would share it with you as we have all had losses. Love Paz TO MY BELOVED FAMILY AND FRIENDS: "Death is nothing at all. I've only slipped away into the next room. I am I, and you are you. Whatever we were to each other, that we are still. Call me by my old familiar name. Speak to me in the easy way which you always used to. Put no difference into your tone. Wear no false air of solemnity or sorrow, laugh as we always laughed at the little jokes we enjoyed together. Play, smile, think of me, pray for me. Let my name be ever the household word it always was. Let it be spoken without effect, without a ghost of a shadow on it. Life means all that it ever was. There is absolutely unbroken continuity. Why should I be out of mind because I am out of sight? I am but waiting for you for an interval, somewhere very near, just around the corner. All is well...." From a 19th Century Epistle written by an English parson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: njc, another mother for peace/ Joan Baez in the theatre I think its great! I wish Joan all the fun and happiness in the world doing this. Wish I could see the show - and I'm not even a "play" person at all. Guess I'm not sure what you both are having the semi strange reaction to.... hmmm...doesn't seem unusual to me that she'd do this. Seems kind of fun and fresh, in a way. Is it the idea of her in theatre? Or is it the role she's taken on that seems odd? just wondering is all... :) Em - --- Sherelle Smith wrote: > Whoa! That caught me off guard!!! Not sure if that's the Joan Baez > I'm ready > for but as long as she's happy doing it.... > > Sherelle > > Kerry wrote; > > Speaking of Joan Baez, you may wonder what she's up to these days. I > came > across > this on a recent trip to San Francisco: > http://love.zinzanni.org/ > > Kinda scary! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:10:50 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: njc, another mother for peace/ Joan Baez in the theatre I'm sorry Em! No negative feelings intended. I think what is happening with me is that the personna I have of Joan Baez is a very serious, politically active one. I think of songs like "the Night They Drove Old Dixie Down", "Diamonds and Rust" and "Joe Hill" when I think of her and what I saw was not what I expected, that's all. No harm intended at all. Sherelle >From: Em >To: Sherelle Smith , bluewindows723@yahoo.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: njc, another mother for peace/ Joan Baez in the theatre >Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT) > >I think its great! I wish Joan all the fun and happiness in the world >doing this. Wish I could see the show - and I'm not even a "play" >person at all. >Guess I'm not sure what you both are having the semi strange reaction >to.... >hmmm...doesn't seem unusual to me that she'd do this. Seems kind of fun >and fresh, in a way. >Is it the idea of her in theatre? Or is it the role she's taken on that >seems odd? >just wondering is all... >:) >Em > >--- Sherelle Smith wrote: > > > Whoa! That caught me off guard!!! Not sure if that's the Joan Baez > > I'm ready > > for but as long as she's happy doing it.... > > > > Sherelle > > > > Kerry wrote; > > > > Speaking of Joan Baez, you may wonder what she's up to these days. I > > came > > across > > this on a recent trip to San Francisco: > > http://love.zinzanni.org/ > > > > Kinda scary! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:32:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: njc, another mother for peace/ Joan Baez in the theatre Hi Sherelle, oh no apology needed! I didn't think anyone said anything negative...I was just wondering what aspect of this seemed so strange! I've heard Joan can be a very silly person at times, who loves to laugh and joke and cut up. I didn't always know that though! (and of course I don't know it firsthand, but have just read it) This thing she's doing seems pretty neat...its like a circus/dinner theatre thingy, I now realize. Anyway, I'm happy for her and very much hope she is enjoying herself. Hope that for YOU, too. :) Em - --- Sherelle Smith wrote: > I'm sorry Em! No negative feelings intended. I think what is > happening with > me is that the personna I have of Joan Baez is a very serious, > politically > active one. I think of songs like "the Night They Drove Old Dixie > Down", > "Diamonds and Rust" and "Joe Hill" when I think of her and what I saw > was > not what I expected, that's all. No harm intended at all. > > Sherelle > > >From: Em > >To: Sherelle Smith , > bluewindows723@yahoo.com > >CC: joni@smoe.org > >Subject: Re: njc, another mother for peace/ Joan Baez in the theatre > >Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT) > > > >I think its great! I wish Joan all the fun and happiness in the > world > >doing this. Wish I could see the show - and I'm not even a "play" > >person at all. > >Guess I'm not sure what you both are having the semi strange > reaction > >to.... > >hmmm...doesn't seem unusual to me that she'd do this. Seems kind of > fun > >and fresh, in a way. > >Is it the idea of her in theatre? Or is it the role she's taken on > that > >seems odd? > >just wondering is all... > >:) > >Em > > > >--- Sherelle Smith wrote: > > > > > Whoa! That caught me off guard!!! Not sure if that's the Joan > Baez > > > I'm ready > > > for but as long as she's happy doing it.... > > > > > > Sherelle > > > > > > Kerry wrote; > > > > > > Speaking of Joan Baez, you may wonder what she's up to these > days. I > > > came > > > across > > > this on a recent trip to San Francisco: > > > http://love.zinzanni.org/ > > > > > > Kinda scary! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:56:38 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: njc, another mother for peace/ Joan Baez in the theatre Hi Em! See, I didn't know that about her at all! Amazing! I had no idea. I'm glad to hear that she is a fun loving person. I'm jsut used to the serious side (Did we have a discussion about this once on the list?) Understanding this, it makes perfect sense to me now to see her in a theater role. Do you know anything about the play itself? Why do you always make me cry with kind words?? Stop it I say!!! Stay tuned for an update/post and thank you Em! Much love, Sherelle >From: Em >To: Sherelle Smith , bluewindows723@yahoo.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: njc, another mother for peace/ Joan Baez in the theatre >Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:32:35 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi Sherelle, oh no apology needed! I didn't think anyone said anything >negative...I was just wondering what aspect of this seemed so strange! >I've heard Joan can be a very silly person at times, who loves to laugh >and joke and cut up. I didn't always know that though! (and of course I >don't know it firsthand, but have just read it) >This thing she's doing seems pretty neat...its like a circus/dinner >theatre thingy, I now realize. >Anyway, I'm happy for her and very much hope she is enjoying herself. >Hope that for YOU, too. >:) >Em > >--- Sherelle Smith wrote: > > > I'm sorry Em! No negative feelings intended. I think what is > > happening with > > me is that the personna I have of Joan Baez is a very serious, > > politically > > active one. I think of songs like "the Night They Drove Old Dixie > > Down", > > "Diamonds and Rust" and "Joe Hill" when I think of her and what I saw > > was > > not what I expected, that's all. No harm intended at all. > > > > Sherelle > > > > >From: Em > > >To: Sherelle Smith , > > bluewindows723@yahoo.com > > >CC: joni@smoe.org > > >Subject: Re: njc, another mother for peace/ Joan Baez in the theatre > > >Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >I think its great! I wish Joan all the fun and happiness in the > > world > > >doing this. Wish I could see the show - and I'm not even a "play" > > >person at all. > > >Guess I'm not sure what you both are having the semi strange > > reaction > > >to.... > > >hmmm...doesn't seem unusual to me that she'd do this. Seems kind of > > fun > > >and fresh, in a way. > > >Is it the idea of her in theatre? Or is it the role she's taken on > > that > > >seems odd? > > >just wondering is all... > > >:) > > >Em > > > > > >--- Sherelle Smith wrote: > > > > > > > Whoa! That caught me off guard!!! Not sure if that's the Joan > > Baez > > > > I'm ready > > > > for but as long as she's happy doing it.... > > > > > > > > Sherelle > > > > > > > > Kerry wrote; > > > > > > > > Speaking of Joan Baez, you may wonder what she's up to these > > days. I > > > > came > > > > across > > > > this on a recent trip to San Francisco: > > > > http://love.zinzanni.org/ > > > > > > > > Kinda scary! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:21:35 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: njc, another mother for peace/ Joan Baez in the theatre > Hi Sherelle, oh no apology needed! I didn't think anyone said anything > negative...I was just wondering what aspect of this seemed so strange! > I've heard Joan can be a very silly person at times, who loves to laugh > and joke and cut up. I've been meaning to write something about Joan Baez (and Bob Dylan) for awhile now. I recently read David Hajdu's book 'Positively 4th Street - The Life and Times of Joan Baez, Bob Dylan, Mimi Farina and Richard Farina'. It's a fascinating read for anybody that has any interest in the 'folk revival' that started in the late 50s, early 60s. The book gives some interesting insights into the characters of these four people. Apparently Joan Baez has a very wicked sense of humor. I also found it very interesting that Joni mentioned Debbie Green and her connection to Joan in the recent Reader's Digest interview. Hajdu basically says the same thing that Joni said. According to Debbie Green, Joan Baez pretty much stole her entire act back when they were playing the coffee houses in Cambridge, Massachusetts in the early 60s. Joan is quoted as later saying that Debbie wasn't really serious about being a singer and that in the long run she didn't really do her any harm. Hajdu paints Baez as having self-image problems as a girl and as a young adult. Her singing was a way to bolster her ego. He also says that she would suddenly start singing along with a performer when she was in a coffee house audience and eventually be invited to join the performer on stage. That being said, I don't get the idea that the book ever questions her commitment to the various social causes she has championed over the years or challenges her pacifist stance. On the other hand, Bob Dylan himself has said that he wrote songs of social protest because that was what was selling at the time and he really wasn't interested in making politcal statements in song or otherwise. Apparently Dylan told all kinds of stories about his background when he first turned up in New York City, very few of them true. Hajdu says that Dylan had the hots for Joan's sister Mimi Baez (later Farina) when they first met. He also says that Richard Farina once told Dylan that if he wanted to make it in the folk music scene, he should start screwing Joan Baez. Whether that was Dylan's motivation or not, Hajdu shows Dylan as being a real a**hole to Joan when their relationship split up. She took him on her tours and pretty much demanded that her audiences listen to him before he was well known. After the breakup, Dylan had become a star in his own right and put it about that he didn't want Joan up on stage with him at all when he performed. The book also says that Dylan's first love was rock and roll, that he only sang folk music in the beginning because it was what was 'hip' at the time and he didn't find his true voice until he found a way to merge his poetic lyrics with rock. Before Dylan, rock and roll was pretty silly, sophmoric stuff, appealing to teenagers. Dylan managed to give it some substance, broadening its appeal to a more mature audience of increasingly disaffected young adults. As for Joan appearing with Teatro ZinZanni, I say more power to her. I saw her in concert once, many years ago and as I recall, she did display a healthy sense of humor. I don't think she is the dead serious 24/7 social reformer that she has been perceived as by some people. She has a lighter side. When I saw her on TV recently, it seems she can still sing as well. So I say, go for it Joan! Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:43:07 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Concert Update/Shameless Self Promotion (njc) Hi there, Unfortunately, I was told that there was an accidental double booking for September 17th and so I have had to move my show to: Saturday, October 1st at 8:30 pm again at the Market 5 Gallery in Eastern Market-Washington, DC. (At least they are going to cut me a better deal for the inconvenience!) Tickets are going to be $25. My daughter (business manager) and I decided that since I am an unknown in this city, to stir up interest and to give value to the event, we are going to give away a printed version of my CD with every ticket. The Gallery proprietor also had a great idea to have a mini-reception/meet-and-greet after the show. I've been very pleased with his desire to help me make this a success. I am in process of ordering tickets to be printed now and I plan to really kick things into gear on August 1st. My friend Rita Lewis at BET Jazz has come on board to help spread the word there and I should be able to get some advertising "in's" from local radio stations and TV. (It helps to work for a sports and entertainment company!) Everyone's willing to pitch in and help including family and friends. Another coworker and friend with an extreme PR background has offered to write press releases for me and there are a host of other coworkers from videographers to corporate marketers who are willing to pitch in and help. They respect that I have made the choice to pursue music whenever those doors open up instead moving up within the company. (Tough decision but I'm glad I did it!) So I would love to have as many area JMDL'ers that would care to make it to come out if you can. If you can't, just send me some love!!!!! (smile) Love, Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:54:22 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: njc, another mother for peace/ Joan Baez in the theatre Whoa! I didn't know Bob Dylan and Joan Baez ever dated! Very interesting! If I am understanding correctly, Joan Baez stole Debbie Green's entire act? Eeeks! It sounds like everyone has made peace with all of that (I think). I've never heard of Teatro ZinZanni, but I wish her the best in this production! Again this is another artist following their hearts. I was in an email discussion (which turned ugly later) about what is most important-artists following their hearts as to what they perform and record versus following the desires of their fans that support them and if it should be one way, the other way, or a combination of both. As SNL Linda Richmond of "Coffe Talk" would say, "Discuss..."( I love those skits!) Sherelle Mark wrote: > >I've been meaning to write something about Joan Baez (and Bob Dylan) for >awhile now. I recently read David Hajdu's book 'Positively 4th Street - >The Life and Times of Joan Baez, Bob Dylan, Mimi Farina and Richard >Farina'. It's a fascinating read for anybody that has any interest in the >'folk revival' that started in the late 50s, early 60s. The book gives >some interesting insights into the characters of these four people. > >Apparently Joan Baez has a very wicked sense of humor. I also found it >very interesting that Joni mentioned Debbie Green and her connection to >Joan in the recent Reader's Digest interview. Hajdu basically says the >same thing that Joni said. According to Debbie Green, Joan Baez pretty >much stole her entire act back when they were playing the coffee houses in >Cambridge, Massachusetts in the early 60s. Joan is quoted as later saying >that Debbie wasn't really serious about being a singer and that in the long >run she didn't really do her any harm. Hajdu paints Baez as having >self-image problems as a girl and as a young adult. Her singing was a way >to bolster her ego. He also says that she would suddenly start singing >along with a performer when she was in a coffee house audience and >eventually be invited to join the performer on stage. That being said, I >don't get the idea that the book ever questions her commitment to the >various social causes she has championed over the years or challenges her >pacifist stance. > >On the other hand, Bob Dylan himself has said that he wrote songs of social >protest because that was what was selling at the time and he really wasn't >interested in making politcal statements in song or otherwise. Apparently >Dylan told all kinds of stories about his background when he first turned >up in New York City, very few of them true. Hajdu says that Dylan had the >hots for Joan's sister Mimi Baez (later Farina) when they first met. He >also says that Richard Farina once told Dylan that if he wanted to make it >in the folk music scene, he should start screwing Joan Baez. Whether that >was Dylan's motivation or not, Hajdu shows Dylan as being a real a**hole to >Joan when their relationship split up. She took him on her tours and >pretty much demanded that her audiences listen to him before he was well >known. After the breakup, Dylan had become a star in his own right and put >it about that he didn't want Joan up on stage with him at all when he >performed. The book also says that Dylan's first love was rock and roll, >that he only sang folk music in the beginning because it was what was 'hip' >at the time and he didn't find his true voice until he found a way to merge >his poetic lyrics with rock. Before Dylan, rock and roll was pretty silly, >sophmoric stuff, appealing to teenagers. Dylan managed to give it some >substance, broadening its appeal to a more mature audience of increasingly >disaffected young adults. > >As for Joan appearing with Teatro ZinZanni, I say more power to her. I saw >her in concert once, many years ago and as I recall, she did display a >healthy sense of humor. I don't think she is the dead serious 24/7 social >reformer that she has been perceived as by some people. She has a lighter >side. When I saw her on TV recently, it seems she can still sing as well. >So I say, go for it Joan! > >Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:31:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: njc, another mother for peace/ Joan Baez in the theatre I liked how Bob wrote about Joan in his autobiography. It was edgy and exciting and I think he conveyed the electricity in the air very well. About the reasons she struck him as so powerful and pure and in a way, raw, and elemental and beyond fashion. Same as her early stuff strikes me. She really slayed (slew?) him there for awhile, it would seem. I just pigged out on iTunes buying nice clean versions of some of her early stuff. I had forgotten she did "I Know You Rider". I guess it seems fun sometimes to think back on people's "scuffling days" with nostalgia of a sort. But often forgotten is the survivalist, cutthroat stuff that went on. As for the last part you wanted us to discuss, Sherelle, gosh I sure don't know about that. I kinda wish Joni (our Joni) had done more and more acoustic-ish type stuff - but if it wasn't in her nature to do it...then what the heck. You know? Its like a wave. When it reaches the shore, its done - and no amount of casting about is gonna bring it back. You just wait for a new one and hope it is fun. Some artists attain a certain amount of wealth that they don't have to do stuff anymore to make money. So they can do whatever blows out their b_tt, with no regard for their fan base. But other folks, (like Taj Mahal came to mind), are journeymen and they do what they do well and they keep doing it because their fans love it and they make a nice living but they probably still have a need to work (for financial reasons?). Dylan called himself a "song and dance man" at one point..and I can see that. I don't think he does stuff especially for his fans..but I think what HE wants just happens to be what his fans think is pretty neat. Its just lucky that way. He's a working musician naturally. When I saw him with the Dead a couple of years ago, i was amazed how happy Bob looked/seemed to just play along keyboards, in the background, with the Dead. Playin' in the band! (altho it was disconcerting to me to have him doing that given the survival rate of Dead keyboardists) (kidding) I always feel really blessed when my faves continue to do music or art that tastes good, smells good and feels good. As well as feeling good when I discover an ASTONISHING talent I never knew about before. Two I can think of that I indirectly learned of through this list would be Dave Carter, and also Eva Cassidy. And THEN the sock in the gut feeling to learn they were dead. How much does that bite? anyway..sorry... am rambling. Thats why I've not been posting too much. Brain just rambles. :) Em - --- Sherelle Smith wrote: > Whoa! I didn't know Bob Dylan and Joan Baez ever dated! Very > interesting! If > I am understanding correctly, Joan Baez stole Debbie Green's entire > act? > Eeeks! It sounds like everyone has made peace with all of that (I > think). > > I've never heard of Teatro ZinZanni, but I wish her the best in this > production! Again this is another artist following their hearts. > > I was in an email discussion (which turned ugly later) about what is > most > important-artists following their hearts as to what they perform and > record > versus following the desires of their fans that support them and if > it > should be one way, the other way, or a combination of both. As SNL > Linda > Richmond of "Coffe Talk" would say, "Discuss..."( I love those > skits!) > > Sherelle > > Mark wrote: > > > >I've been meaning to write something about Joan Baez (and Bob Dylan) > for > >awhile now. I recently read David Hajdu's book 'Positively 4th > Street - > >The Life and Times of Joan Baez, Bob Dylan, Mimi Farina and Richard > >Farina'. It's a fascinating read for anybody that has any interest > in the > >'folk revival' that started in the late 50s, early 60s. The book > gives > >some interesting insights into the characters of these four people. > > > >Apparently Joan Baez has a very wicked sense of humor. I also found > it > >very interesting that Joni mentioned Debbie Green and her connection > to > >Joan in the recent Reader's Digest interview. Hajdu basically says > the > >same thing that Joni said. According to Debbie Green, Joan Baez > pretty > >much stole her entire act back when they were playing the coffee > houses in > >Cambridge, Massachusetts in the early 60s. Joan is quoted as later > saying > >that Debbie wasn't really serious about being a singer and that in > the long > >run she didn't really do her any harm. Hajdu paints Baez as having > >self-image problems as a girl and as a young adult. Her singing was > a way > >to bolster her ego. He also says that she would suddenly start > singing > >along with a performer when she was in a coffee house audience and > >eventually be invited to join the performer on stage. That being > said, I > >don't get the idea that the book ever questions her commitment to > the > >various social causes she has championed over the years or > challenges her > >pacifist stance. > > > >On the other hand, Bob Dylan himself has said that he wrote songs of > social > >protest because that was what was selling at the time and he really > wasn't > >interested in making politcal statements in song or otherwise. > Apparently > >Dylan told all kinds of stories about his background when he first > turned > >up in New York City, very few of them true. Hajdu says that Dylan > had the > >hots for Joan's sister Mimi Baez (later Farina) when they first met. > He > >also says that Richard Farina once told Dylan that if he wanted to > make it > >in the folk music scene, he should start screwing Joan Baez. > Whether that > >was Dylan's motivation or not, Hajdu shows Dylan as being a real > a**hole to > >Joan when their relationship split up. She took him on her tours > and > >pretty much demanded that her audiences listen to him before he was > well > >known. After the breakup, Dylan had become a star in his own right > and put > >it about that he didn't want Joan up on stage with him at all when > he > >performed. The book also says that Dylan's first love was rock and > roll, > >that he only sang folk music in the beginning because it was what > was 'hip' > >at the time and he didn't find his true voice until he found a way > to merge > >his poetic lyrics with rock. Before Dylan, rock and roll was pretty > silly, > >sophmoric stuff, appealing to teenagers. Dylan managed to give it > some > >substance, broadening its appeal to a more mature audience of > increasingly > >disaffected young adults. > > > >As for Joan appearing with Teatro ZinZanni, I say more power to her. > I saw > >her in concert once, many years ago and as I recall, she did display > a > >healthy sense of humor. I don't think she is the dead serious 24/7 > social > >reformer that she has been perceived as by some people. She has a > lighter > >side. When I saw her on TV recently, it seems she can still sing as > well. > >So I say, go for it Joan! > > > >Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:52:43 +0100 From: Lucy Hone Subject: RE: London NJC, now 'fox news: fans of terrorism' Lucys take on this Dear Patrick. You must be soooo disappointed with your fellow Americans about what you have seen and heard in the media....... >Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:55:50 -0400 >From: "patrick leader" >Subject: RE: London NJC, now 'fox news: fans of terrorism' > >EDITED > >about the london terrorism, i was appalled to read this: > >"My first thought when I heard - just on a personal basis, when I heard >there had been this attack and I saw the futures this morning, which were >really in the tank, I thought, 'Hmmm, time to buy.'" >- - Fox News's Brit Hume, 7/7/05 > >Earlier in the day, Fox reporter Brian Kilmeade seemed to cheer on the >attack because he said "it works to our advantage." Meanwhile, Fox's Stuart >Varney was genuinely excited that the attack will mean other progressive >issues will now be knocked out of the public debate. "It takes global >warming off the front burner," Varney frothed. "It takes African aid off the >front burner. It sticks terrorism and the fight on the war on terror, right >up front all over again." > >can you imagine if this had appeared in the new york times? or if someone >from moveon had said something like this? it makes you weep. > I am sadly not surprised by the crowing callousness of the media, intent on gouging every last piece of decency out of such a dreadful attack. There is not one spark of humanity in that person and their words will come to haunt them in times to come. I have had several exchanges with friends in parts of the world and below is a mixture of my thoughts on it all. To explain the opening lines, horror had been expressed about the way that these people were "just innocent working people" just going about their daily job and just unaware that things would change.... What I feel about it all is this. Yes, some of them would be working people but some of them may have been tramps who sleep on the underground given half a chance. Whether working or not they were all lives that were precious to someone somewhere, although in some cases maybe their death will mean nothing.... that I find very sad. There will also be in those who are affected, Catholics, Hindhus. Bhuddists, Jaines, non-believers, Spiritualists, Methodists, Baptists, Muslims , Jews, .... someone from every belief system will have been caught up in this somewhere...... Every one of those people who set the bombs or killed them selves in the process, believes themselves to be in the right. They exist in a world of extremists and bigots. Our nations, regardless of where we personally stand, believe we are right to be in this war and to go and bomb and mutilate and rape and kill and terrify people who are at best, ill educated. there are those who are not ill educated but they were got rid of as being "infidel" by the societies that are ruled by the zealots. I have always condemned our involvement in the Iraq war, always. I do not condemn, and cannot condemn these "terrorists" for the evil deeds they do, for they themselves are wronged by their elders and their warped leaders, who twist the words of Islam into spears of hate. Because, for what ever reason, they have been brought up in a way that leads them into prejudice and hate for that which they will never have been permitted to understand. But we only ever hear of these people, never the billions of Islamic people who live peacefully by the Koran. They are ignored worldwide for the few that are intent on Jihad. There are those in our society who also have their own narrowness of view and interpretations to think on. People who mock what they dont understand, when it is fear that drives the derision... I am not without my own areas of intolerance but they are not to do with religion, race, colour, gender or sexuality. I go by the person and what I know of them personally, and how they operate in my sphere of reference. I have been horrified to hear kids blaming the Iraqis for The Twin Towers. Its what happens... The guys who did it were zealous Saudi Arabians who were members of Al Quaida NOT Iraqis.... HELLO??? has the spin been so good? how did that happen? Its a nasty mess. Its terrible that people have died and there will be many who are terribly affected. Maybe had my sister in law gone to work early then she might have been at Liverpool Street on the train that is still wedged in the tunnel. I would have been extremely sad if Marian had been killed or injured but I would forgive them. Its not like they set out to kill anyone for any personal reasons. Its the work of general prejudice and brainwashing..... Someone at work said to me the other day "you must be very moral or religious to be able to be so magnanimous" It is not a religious stance to forgive. It is human. I look on the terrorists as those whose humanity has been removed from them and for lacking that love for all humankind they cannot be condemned. They (whoever THEY ARE) will feel they are justified because of how they have lived, what they have experienced, and what has been fed to them... just as there are those with whom we have grown up in similar circumstances will have views that have come from their parents etc,. and nothing will convince them otherwise and those oppinions will differ from ours by miles and miles and we dont understand them. Nothing justifies the act or its consequences but what can help to start healing is forgiveness. Too much of our world is taken up with anger and disastisfaction about things that happen to us. Forgiveness removes us from being a Vicitm in the sense that it disarms the harm. It will not prevent the pain but it distances you from the act and makes you proactive in the process of moving on. Foregiveness allows you to rise above the "eye for an eye" mentality that perpertrates more violence, fear, dread and loathing. I have no greater humanity than anyone else here but I cannot accept that retaliation to any enemy makes us better than them or leads to a path that has any meaning. These acts are perpertrated by an unidentified group. We can speculate who it is but speculation is pointless and even if we do find out who they are they will not be brought to any form of justice and the violence and attacks will continue anyway.. The Special Branch of the police here will have to come up with someone to blame as they supposedly should have seen this. Why would they have seen this? How can it be predicted and that is why we have to carry on as if nothing has happened. You cannot legislate for the insane, so we have to get on with life, remain vigilant and try to look at what it is that is happening globally and our part in it....... I know I will not see eye to eye with some of you here but that is where we have so many strengths in this group. I am, have always been, and will remain a humanist. I believe very much that decency lies in our core and that we do live, for the main part, by a secular concensus of living and letting be. It is when books with rules are produced and these are interpreted by those who crave power and influence, that we let in bigotry, prejudice and the potential for hating our fellow man for they are seen to be "other" to how we live. Anyway that is my two pennies on where I stand... Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 02:42:54 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: njc, another mother for peace/ Joan Baez in the theatre Ahh...but it was a very good ramble Em! Thank you! I like your analogy of musical style and a wave hitting the shore. Very profound...I really liked it! I'm going to think about what you said. There is a lot of good and truthful kernels there. Yes, I would think that Dylan has it best if that's how things work out for him. Unfortunately, I've never seen him live. (Pooh!) Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts Em! Love, Sherelle >From: Em >To: Sherelle Smith , mark.travis@gte.net, >bluewindows723@yahoo.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: njc, another mother for peace/ Joan Baez in the theatre >Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:31:02 -0700 (PDT) > >I liked how Bob wrote about Joan in his autobiography. >It was edgy and exciting and I think he conveyed the electricity in the >air very well. About the reasons she struck him as so powerful and pure >and in a way, raw, and elemental and beyond fashion. >Same as her early stuff strikes me. She really slayed (slew?) him there >for awhile, it would seem. > >I just pigged out on iTunes buying nice clean versions of some of her >early stuff. >I had forgotten she did "I Know You Rider". > >I guess it seems fun sometimes to think back on people's "scuffling >days" with nostalgia of a sort. But often forgotten is the survivalist, >cutthroat stuff that went on. > >As for the last part you wanted us to discuss, Sherelle, gosh I sure >don't know about that. I kinda wish Joni (our Joni) had done more and >more acoustic-ish type stuff - but if it wasn't in her nature to do >it...then what the heck. You know? Its like a wave. When it reaches the >shore, its done - and no amount of casting about is gonna bring it >back. You just wait for a new one and hope it is fun. > >Some artists attain a certain amount of wealth that they don't have to >do stuff anymore to make money. So they can do whatever blows out their >b_tt, with no regard for their fan base. But other folks, (like Taj >Mahal came to mind), are journeymen and they do what they do well and >they keep doing it because their fans love it and they make a nice >living but they probably still have a need to work (for financial >reasons?). > >Dylan called himself a "song and dance man" at one point..and I can see >that. I don't think he does stuff especially for his fans..but I think >what HE wants just happens to be what his fans think is pretty neat. >Its just lucky that way. >He's a working musician naturally. When I saw him with the Dead a >couple of years ago, i was amazed how happy Bob looked/seemed to just >play along keyboards, in the background, with the Dead. Playin' in the >band! >(altho it was disconcerting to me to have him doing that given the >survival rate of Dead keyboardists) (kidding) > >I always feel really blessed when my faves continue to do music or art >that tastes good, smells good and feels good. >As well as feeling good when I discover an ASTONISHING talent I never >knew about before. Two I can think of that I indirectly learned of >through this list would be Dave Carter, and also Eva Cassidy. And THEN >the sock in the gut feeling to learn they were dead. How much does that >bite? > >anyway..sorry... am rambling. Thats why I've not been posting too much. >Brain just rambles. >:) >Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:39:35 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: London NJC now lack of volunteers for armed service Jim wrote: > Jerry, This is a really interesting way to look at it. I normally think > of > young people as idealists. From your points, they seem as deeply > conflicted > as their parents. I am somewhat amazed and heartened that the young people seem to be intelligent realists. I'll never figure out the disconnect that has happened with people who have heard of the threats and attacks against us for 30 years, have heard and seen tapes of Al Queda and other groups tell us repeatedly for years that we are all infidels and they are going to take us out unless we convert to their version of Islam and yet have erased all this from their memories and think it all began with Bush. That is more frightening to me than anything sometimes. Let's just lay down, roll over and sing peace songs and it will all go away. Geez. I thank God there are some people who have to courage to want to fight against these barbarians. They are not only the soldiers - they are many people working in the various agencies who put themselves on the line every day right here in our own country and in other countries such as Britain, thwarting attacks and tracking cells behind the scenes. I certainly don't expect anyone here to join the fight, Everyone has free will and conscience or their own interests that they should follow. But they could at least acknowledge those who are trying to protect us. > I wonder if future administrations will back away from war because they > lack > personnel. I doubt it. They'll probably re-institute the draft in order > to > execute "the will of the American people". :( The latest stats for June say that recruitment is back up to goal. Yeah, maybe they upped the bonuses, but that was also done during the action in Bosnia. I have a friend who was in the Army in Bosnia. He is out of the service now, making a good salary. However, he wants to re-sign up in part because of all the benefits and bonuses he would receive - and which he received when he was in Bosnia. > Finally, I don't think young people are wrong to stay out of the military. > I applied for concientious objector status in '73. My request was denied. > Iraq? Who did they think was going to fight this war?> I don't think they are wrong, either. I don't want an army of unwilling soldiers. I think that all the stories about declining enlistment, etc, is just another back door push to get Bush to reinstate the draft. Then we could have riots and demonstrations just like back in the 60s. I don't ever want to go there again. I don't want a draft, ever. I'm surprised you didn't get CO status. I had three friends who easily got it. They still had to serve but had desk jobs instead of combat duty. Maybe it was a regional thing. Just heard of another person in the NG who was called up. His family knew a prominent senator who "fixed" it for him. Same as it ever was. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 02:46:35 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: njc, another mother for peace/ Joan Baez in the theatre I haven't heard Diamonds and Rust since 1975. My college roomate had the album. I discovered Joan Baez as an artist at that time so it was all plenty new to me. I had not come into Bob Dylan at that time so I would have never made the connection anyway. Cheers, Sherelle >From: djp >To: "Sherelle Smith" >Subject: Re: njc, another mother for peace/ Joan Baez in the theatre >Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:08:39 -0500 > >At 11:54 AM 7/12/2005, you wrote: >>Whoa! I didn't know Bob Dylan and Joan Baez ever dated! > >Heavens, Sherelle! Listen to Diamonds and Rust again, now. > >djp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:56:16 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Prayer Very nice. Thank you for sharing this Paz. This parson expresses so beautifully my experience with my mom who passed away... it seems like only yesterday but it has been 8 years now. I can't imagine the sorrow of loosing a sibling or god forbid a child. But this prayer is true in my opinion & a good reminder to speak & laugh & listen (don't forget the listening... sometimes we pray so hard we forget to listen!) again with my mom. When I really miss her she is right here. The veil between worlds is so thin really. >TO MY BELOVED FAMILY AND FRIENDS: "Death is nothing at all. I've only slipped away into the next room. I am I, and you are you. Whatever we were to each other, that we are still. Call me by my old familiar name. Speak to me in the easy way which you always used to. Put no difference into your tone. Wear no false air of solemnity or sorrow, laugh as we always laughed at the little jokes we enjoyed together. Play, smile, think of me, pray for me. Let my name be ever the household word it always was. Let it be spoken without effect, without a ghost of a shadow on it. Life means all that it ever was. There is absolutely unbroken continuity. Why should I be out of mind because I am out of sight? I am but waiting for you for an interval, somewhere very near, just around the corner. All is well...." From a 19th Century Epistle written by an English parson< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:05:35 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: njc, another mother for peace Patti what a great story! Thank you for taking the time to share with us. Kudos to you for doing what is right, risking your son's anger for what was best & reminding us of the power of a mama's prayer. Glad to hear of the happy ending. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #275 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)