From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #260 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, June 28 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 260 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Music Download NJC [Ahmed Shoukry ] U.S. Supreme Court file-sharing ruling njc [jrmco1@aol.com] Signed, Brokenhearted [jrmco1@aol.com] Dylan Doing Starbucks, Now [jrmco1@aol.com] welcome! ["Anne Sandstrom" ] Re: The date is set ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: The date is set [Em ] Re: hello, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] A huge thanks with a huge hug [Peep Richman ] Re: Ixnay on the Een-gray and mystery songs [littlebreen@comcast.net] Re: The date is set ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: The date is set ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: The date is set (NJC) ["Sherelle Smith" ] A Blonde Rose for Joni [brianasymes@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #127 [marilyn huggins Subject: Music Download NJC Hey all, Ever since I abandoned my evil pirate self, I decided to go legit on downloading music. I was wondering if anyone could suggest good legal downloads sites that provide services to the Middle East as well (I'm Egyptian); and with obviously decent Joni content. Virgin Megastore will be opening this July in Cairo, do they have Joni's albums? And incidentally, what's cheeper, downloading albums or buying them physically? Thanks Ahmed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 05:50:24 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: U.S. Supreme Court file-sharing ruling njc June 28, 2005 Justices Reinstate Suits on Internet File Sharing NY Times By LINDA GREENHOUSE and LORNE MANLY WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court handed a major victory to the entertainment and recording industries on Monday by reinstating a copyright-infringement suit against two file-sharing services. In a unanimous opinion, the court strongly suggested that the services, Grokster and StreamCast Networks, should be found liable for the vast copyright infringement committed by those using their software to download music and movies. Two lower federal courts in California had ruled in favor of the two companies, dismissing the lawsuit without a trial on the basis of a legal analysis that the Supreme Court found seriously flawed. In his opinion for the court on Monday, Justice David H. Souter suggested that when properly evaluated, the evidence against Grokster and StreamCast was, in fact, so strong that the entertainment-industry plaintiffs might be entitled to summary judgment. At the least, he said, MGM Studios and the other plaintiffs - including the Recording Industry Association of America, the Motion Picture Association of America and a class of 27,000 music publishers and songwriters - were entitled to a trial to prove their accusations that the file-sharing companies were in business primarily to enable and induce computer users to find and download copyrighted material. In the Supreme Court's view, the plaintiffs have effectively made that case already. Justice Souter called the record "replete with evidence" that the companies "acted with a purpose to cause copyright violations by use of software suitable for illegal use." The opinion referred to "evidence of infringement on a gigantic scale" and said that "the probable scope of copyright infringement is staggering." [Excerpts, Page C5.] The movie and music industries, even armed with a decision affirming their legal recourse, have a long way to go to capitalize on it, and they plan new efforts to persuade or force those actually doing the downloading to desist. Digital rights advocates, while somewhat relieved that the court did not go further, were concerned that the ruling could invite a deluge of lawsuits and a risk that they would inhibit innovation. There is no dispute that individual users violate copyright law when they share files of copyrighted material, and the industry has had some modest success in seeking fines from college students and others. But with millions of users downloading billions of files each month, retail prosecution proved inefficient, so the music and entertainment industries turned their attention several years ago to the commercial services that make the file sharing possible. That effort led to the Supreme Court's most important copyright case since its ruling in 1984 that shielded the manufacturers of the videocassette recorder from copyright liability for possibly infringing use by home consumers. The court based its decision then, in Sony v. Universal City Studios, on a finding that the VCR was "capable of substantial noninfringing uses," like time-shifting, in which home users simply recorded programs for viewing later. In ruling last year for Grokster and StreamCast, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in San Francisco relied on the Sony decision, finding that the file-sharing software had possible noninfringing uses. Because the software operates in a decentralized way without using a central computer, the appeals court found, Grokster and StreamCast could not track users and had no direct knowledge of any specific instance of infringement. The Supreme Court on Monday held that the appeals court had misapplied the Sony decision by focusing only on the technology, without regard to the business model that the technology served. "One who distributes a device with the object of promoting its use to infringe copyright, as shown by clear expression or other affirmative steps taken to foster infringement, is liable for the resulting acts of infringement by third parties," Justice Souter wrote. Movie and music industry executives hailed the decision. "If you build a business that aids and abets theft, you will be held accountable," said Dan Glickman, chief executive of the Motion Picture Association of America, the lobbying organization for the major Hollywood studios. BMI, representing more than 300,000 songwriters and composers, called the decision "good news indeed for the creative community whose work has been blatantly infringed." The movie and music industries had warned that file sharing was hurting them financially, and could ultimately inhibit the creation of content. The music industry has blamed song-swapping over the Internet for its decade-long sales slump. While movies and television shows are more difficult to trade online because of the size of their files, technological advances are making that easier and threatening the rich source of cash that DVD sales have become for the studios. On the other hand, groups including the American Civil Liberties Union, Consumers Union, the Consumer Electronics Association and other elements of the computer and technology industries warned the court that too broad a rule of contributory copyright infringement would stifle innovation if there was a possibility that consumers might put a product to an infringing use. It was clear from the opinion, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inv. v. Grokster Ltd., No. 04-480, that the justices had taken note of that argument and tried to draw a line that would protect both copyright holders and innovators. The court identified the line as "inducement" - deliberately urging consumers to make illicit use of the product or showing them how it could be done. "Mere knowledge of infringing potential or of actual infringing uses would not be enough here to subject a distributor to liability," Justice Souter said. He added: "Nor would ordinary acts incident to product distribution, such as offering customers technical support or product updates, support liability in themselves. The inducement rule, instead, premises liability on purposeful, culpable expression and conduct, and thus does nothing to compromise legitimate commerce or discourage innovation having a lawful promise." James Gibson, a professor of intellectual property and computer law at the University of Richmond School of Law, applauded what he called a balancing act between artistic creators and technological innovators. By putting so much weight on proving companies' bad behavior, he said, the decision could create more legal expenses and unpredictability for technology companies. At the same time, he added, it should provide peace of mind to creators of technology that could be used for both legitimate and infringing uses. But several technology advocates expressed concern, saying innovators would now be saddled with the befuddling notion of "intent." Matthew Neco, StreamCast's general counsel, said the ruling turned Hollywood and the recording industry into "thought police." Michael Petricone, vice president for technology policy at the Consumer Electronics Association, said that without clear guidelines from the court on what a company must do to avoid being held liable for contributing to copyright infringement, "the legal clarity has decreased and the risk of litigation has increased." Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales said he was pleased the court had "determined that those who intentionally induce or encourage the theft of copyrighted music, movies, software or other protected works may be held liable for their actions." The Bush administration joined the argument in support of the studios. While the court's judgment was unanimous, the justices did not share the same view of how useful the Sony precedent remained after more than 20 years of changing technology. A concurring opinion by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, which Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist and Justice Anthony M. Kennedy joined, suggested that the Sony case's reference to "substantial noninfringing use" was too easily misunderstood by lower courts and might have to be tailored for different types of technology. The file-sharing software might be used to swap large numbers of noninfringing files, Justice Ginsburg said, but even a big number would be "dwarfed by the huge total volume of files shared." Justice Stephen G. Breyer, in a concurring opinion also signed by Justices John Paul Stevens and Sandra Day O'Connor, said the Sony decision had basically achieved its "innovation-protecting objective" and struck the right balance between protecting copyrights and technology. It should be retained, he said. Linda Greenhouse reported from Washington for this article and Lorne Manly from New York. Jeff Leeds and Tom Zeller Jr. contributed reporting. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 07:42:16 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Signed, Brokenhearted From July Newsweek Magazine "Ask Amy" advice column: DEAR AMY: My boyfriend of four months has just broken up with me. He was my first boyfriend. He broke up with me by e-mail, and I was appalled. Amy, he said he didn't want to break up with me in person because he didn't want to see me cry, but I think that was his way of being cowardly. He informed me that he has not liked me for the past two weeks and was waiting to drop the bomb on me until the end of the school year. How can I deal with my sadness and forgive my ex? We will be in school together for the next two years. Brokenhearted DEAR BROKENHEARTED: I prescribe scented candles, Jewel or Joni Mitchell records and some weepy moments with girlfriends. I hope you won't focus too much on him and instead work on how to feel good about yourself. By the time you get back to school, I certainly hope this guy is a little grease spot of a memory on the pavement of your dreams. OK, I'm not as poetic as Jewel or Joni, but you catch my drift. - ------ Tito, hand me a tissue! Sniff... And Jewel?! Rub salt in my wounds, why don't you, Amy?! Waaahhhh!!! - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 07:53:54 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Dylan Doing Starbucks, Now I hope Joni decides to go vintage live on Starbucks, too! - -Julius ____ From CNN.com Positively Starbucks -- Dylan CD coming On the heels of Ray Charles' Grammy-winning album, singer in exclusive deal with coffee merchant. June 28, 2005: 6:31 AM EDT LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Counterculture legend Bob Dylan on Monday became the latest musician to sign up with Starbucks Corp. in an exclusive CD deal that follows the runaway success of a Ray Charles album sold by the coffee maker. "Dylan: Live at the Gaslight 1962," co-released with Sony BMG Custom Marketing Group, will hit Starbucks (Research) coffee shops Aug. 30. It features 10 previously unreleased tracks from performances at New York's Gaslight Cafe over four decades ago, including "A Hard Rains A-Gonna Fall" and "Don't Think Twice It's Alright." Starbucks is moving aggressively into the music scene by selling CDs consumers can't buy elsewhere. The company does not disclose how much CD sales add to profits. One analyst said the music business has been more helpful in driving customer traffic than contributing meaningfully to sales. "I wouldn't say music has been a big driver," JMP Securities analyst Kristine Koerber said. "They are still a coffee retailer, that's their primary focus." Starbucks will carry "Gaslight" exclusively for 18 months, its longest such agreement yet. The CD will cost $13.95 at Starbucks' 4,600 U.S. stores. Dissatisfaction with Top 40-oriented traditional music retailers, particularly among older consumers who are more likely to be Dylan fans, has allowed Starbucks' music business to flourish, company executives said. "That disenfranchised customer is very much a part of the Starbucks customer base," Ken Lombard, president of the chain's entertainment division, said in an interview. He added that the chain is uniquely placed to catch customer interest, as buying coffee at Starbucks has become a part of many consumers' daily routine. Starbucks' biggest music success has been the Grammy-winning Ray Charles CD "Genius Loves Company." Since its release last fall, Starbucks has sold more than 775,000 copies, accounting for 26 percent of its overall U.S. sales, the company said. That success has helped the chain win over other big name artists, such as Alanis Morissette and Joni Mitchell. "That success continues to position us for great projects like the Dylan project and others," Lombard said. It is not the first time Dylan, known for his politically and socially charged lyrics, has partnered with a major corporation to promote his music. Last year, an exclusive compilation CD of his work was sold at lingerie retailer Victoria's Secret, a unit of Limited Brands Inc. (Research) Dylan even appeared in one of the chain's television ads, prompting some critics to say he had sold out. The release of "Gaslight" coincides with the premiere of a documentary film about Dylan's life by director Martin Scorsese called "No Direction Home: Bob Dylan." The chain will also be selling the soundtrack to that film, though not exclusively. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 06:51:55 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: welcome! Hi Bo. Welcome to the JMDL! Very nice first post. It's always exciting to see new folks joining the discussions. Feel free to post often! And lest you misunderstand, I sign all my mails to the list this way: (because I do have lots of love for the people on this list.) lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:48:25 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: The date is set Thanks Laura! For me, Joni has proven herself as an artist. In my Star Trek lingo she has "boldy gone where no one has ever gone before"..... Sherelle >From: LCStanley7@aol.com >To: sherellesmith@hotmail.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: The date is set >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:33:03 EDT > >In a message dated 6/27/2005 3:16:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, >sherellesmith@hotmail.com writes: > >She risked herself emotionally and musically to gve us the very depth of >her >soul. How can anyone top that? How can anyone even come close? >Very well said Sherelle! Joni is all gift. > >Love, >Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 07:03:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The date is set - --- Sherelle Smith wrote: > For me, Joni has proven herself as an artist. In my Star Trek lingo > she has > "boldy gone where no one has ever gone before"..... much as I hate to do a "me too" post.. I have to pipe up and heartily SECOND THAT EMOTION! If nothing else, based on the guitar tunings alone! But, then there's the rest of it, isn't there? boggles the mind... all those dimensions and worm holes and alternate realities where Joni has led us... :D Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:32:32 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: hello, njc Bo wrote: I enjoy the digest so much Hi Bo! I enjoyed your contribution to the digest! Very heart warming! So glad you are out of lurkdom. Keep on sharing with us! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 08:45:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: A huge thanks with a huge hug Hi Everyone! Thanks so much for welcoming me to the list. To feel so welcomed is one way of capturing Joni's essence and sharing it collectively as we all feel in her music, her lyrics, her angst, her wonderment and her joy. Mark, what are "perpetual Joni covers"? I just got a copy of Brian Hinton's "Joni Mitchell both sides now" and am having a lovely time reading more about Joni. If I think the Group will enjoy something he wrote about Joni in particular, I'll be sure to share it with you. By the way...I come up as "peep"....long story made short....in 1960 my parents adopted a baby who was born with mid-brain damage, otherwise referred to as Cerebral Palsy. He couldn't pronounce my birth name (Phyllis....hate it) so he came up with Pee-Pee and at my insistence, came up with Peep. My family calls me Peep or Peeper. Friends call me Bo. I feel most comfortable with Bo, I think, although you have a few options so call me what feels right for you. The weather today in glorious New Jersey is hot and sooooo humid. I hope there are others belonging to our Digest who are enjoying sweeter weather. Love from Bo - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:54:13 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Re: Ixnay on the Een-gray and mystery songs Hi all, Julius said: <> LOL. I'm kinda with you on this Julius, I'm more comfortable with real books, although I'm trying to learn to look around on the net more for research, both w/r/t Joni and my weirder hobbies like minor romance languages. <> You know, somewhere in this mess, I think I have that one -- I was surprised to stumble upon it in a used record storeyears ago, maybe a year after NRH came out. I haven't listened to it in ten years, and assuming I can find it, I'll give it another go, too. Am I correct in remembering that it was from a radio show in the UK somewhere, and that Klein was there and made comments, too? <> Pretty much says it all, Julius! Best, Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me > Thanks for your insightful thoughts, research and analysis, walt. > You've piqued my interest in those rarities, which I had always planned > to delve into, but never quite got sufficiently motivated. I am now! > Those "Jeremy" and "Cara's Castle" lyrics are fresh meat for this Joni > carnivore. Grrrr. Let's eat! > > Btw, walt. I've got Rolling Stone mags from the Blue period coming > soon from ebay. I'll see if I can find any mention or explication of > "LG" therein. Again, the articles are probably on jmdl.com, but > sometimes I like doing stuff the old fashioned way. (Stay out of this, > Paz! :-) > > Funny you should be waxing Joni this way today, walt. I was listening > to her "Night Ride Home Radio Show" which I was able to acquire from > our simon many Matella moons ago. She delves into a lot of these > questions, somewhat. > > I do so love to hear that woman speak, think, sing and giggle... Heck, > I could drink a tub of her bath water! Sorry. That's kinda gross. > Spanning my brain for a better analogy... :-) > > -Julius > > -----Original Message----- > From: littlebreen@comcast.net > To: Joni@smoe.org > Sent: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:58:30 +0000 > Subject: Ixnay on the Een-gray and mystery songs > > Hi, all, > > I'm working on a rather dire essay on this, my least favorite day of > the year > (more about which if I decide to send it here), but first I thought I'd > write > something Jonish. This is partly for the people new to this site and > to > JoniMitchell.com, to give them an idea of what incredible resources > both are. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:03:54 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: The date is set Hi my friend! You don't know how much I am going to take you up on your tour manager offer when things open up. I believe in my heart they will. You hold that thought and take care of yourself my friend. My prayers are still with you. We have work to do down the road!!!! Love, Sherelle >From: Michael Paz >To: Sherelle Smith ,Joni Digest >Subject: Re: The date is set >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:27:53 -0500 > >Sherelle >This is absolutely fantastic. I am so happy for you. As always let me know >if you need any help. When you book the tour I am your tour manager. This >date could allow me to make it if all is good with the stars. Best to you > >Love > >Paz > > > Hi my friends, > > > > What once was just a dream has just become a reality. I've booked a date >for > > my first concert. (knees wobbling!) It will be September 17th at 8:30 pm >at > > Market 5 Gallery in Eastern Market. (Tickets will be $25) > > > > I went down there to meet with the proprietor yesterday and I signed a > > contract, gave him my deposit duckies and it's a deal. He was very > > no-nonsense, but I could tell that he really wants to help me make this >a > > success. I was very touched. His experience came through loud and clear. >He > > suggested that I have a reception after the concert. I was happy with >the > > idea. I just have to work out the details. I feel good about this. I >have a > > group of family members to help out as staff, almost all of the >musicians > > are on board (playing phone tag with the most important one though!) and >I > > think I've given myself enough time to do this properly. My number one > > concern is putting together a very tight show. > > > > I have friends here at Washington Sports and Entertainment who are >willing > > to help me and at Black Entertainment Television (BET) who have also >agreed > > to spread the word. All of these people know people and so I am hoping >for a > > ripple effect. I also plan to do some advertising on the radio station >that > > is playing my music on certain Sundays. My company deals with them so I >am > > going to try to set it up that way. Another coworker in our Corporate > > Marketing department who is a musician in her spare time has shown >interest > > in helping me as well. Even my HR manager is rooting for me! Whew! > > > > I'm not trying to make a profit for myself personally, but am trying to >make > > sure everyone gets paid and that the concert goes well. When I cost > > everything out, this is what I get. The venue can hold about 200 so I >have > > to base things on that number. > > > > I don't want to bend ears too much so please feel free to email me off >list > > if you want the gory details! This all started from singing Dreamland, >Edith > > and the Kingpin and Hissing of Summer Lawns into a pocket tape recorder >in > > my bathroom for "A Tape of You". That's when I got the nerve to try this > > again so I am perclempt with gratitude to this list. This place gives >you > > the freedom to dream.....Ah...yes.... > > > > Love, > > Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:09:02 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: The date is set Hi Sherelle, This is fantastic! Congratulations! You deserve it and I am going to try to make it to see you at this one, you go girl! love db >>> "Sherelle Smith" 6/28/2005 11:03:54 AM >>> Hi my friend! You don't know how much I am going to take you up on your tour manager offer when things open up. I believe in my heart they will. You hold that thought and take care of yourself my friend. My prayers are still with you. We have work to do down the road!!!! Love, Sherelle >From: Michael Paz >To: Sherelle Smith ,Joni Digest >Subject: Re: The date is set >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:27:53 -0500 > >Sherelle >This is absolutely fantastic. I am so happy for you. As always let me know >if you need any help. When you book the tour I am your tour manager. This >date could allow me to make it if all is good with the stars. Best to you > >Love > >Paz > > > Hi my friends, > > > > What once was just a dream has just become a reality. I've booked a date >for > > my first concert. (knees wobbling!) It will be September 17th at 8:30 pm >at > > Market 5 Gallery in Eastern Market. (Tickets will be $25) > > > > I went down there to meet with the proprietor yesterday and I signed a > > contract, gave him my deposit duckies and it's a deal. He was very > > no-nonsense, but I could tell that he really wants to help me make this >a > > success. I was very touched. His experience came through loud and clear. >He > > suggested that I have a reception after the concert. I was happy with >the > > idea. I just have to work out the details. I feel good about this. I >have a > > group of family members to help out as staff, almost all of the >musicians > > are on board (playing phone tag with the most important one though!) and >I > > think I've given myself enough time to do this properly. My number one > > concern is putting together a very tight show. > > > > I have friends here at Washington Sports and Entertainment who are >willing > > to help me and at Black Entertainment Television (BET) who have also >agreed > > to spread the word. All of these people know people and so I am hoping >for a > > ripple effect. I also plan to do some advertising on the radio station >that > > is playing my music on certain Sundays. My company deals with them so I >am > > going to try to set it up that way. Another coworker in our Corporate > > Marketing department who is a musician in her spare time has shown >interest > > in helping me as well. Even my HR manager is rooting for me! Whew! > > > > I'm not trying to make a profit for myself personally, but am trying to >make > > sure everyone gets paid and that the concert goes well. When I cost > > everything out, this is what I get. The venue can hold about 200 so I >have > > to base things on that number. > > > > I don't want to bend ears too much so please feel free to email me off >list > > if you want the gory details! This all started from singing Dreamland, >Edith > > and the Kingpin and Hissing of Summer Lawns into a pocket tape recorder >in > > my bathroom for "A Tape of You". That's when I got the nerve to try this > > again so I am perclempt with gratitude to this list. This place gives >you > > the freedom to dream.....Ah...yes.... > > > > Love, > > Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:26:52 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: The date is set (NJC) Donna, that would be fantastic! I look so forward to that! I am definitely trying to plan something for afterwards there but it's all in thought mode right now. I want to make this nice. Oops! I just realized I forgot the NJC tag!!! So sorry!!! Love, Sherelle >From: "Donna Binkley" >To: , >CC: >Subject: Re: The date is set >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:09:02 -0500 > >Hi Sherelle, > >This is fantastic! Congratulations! You deserve it and I am going to >try to make it to see you at this one, you go girl! love db > > >>> "Sherelle Smith" 6/28/2005 11:03:54 AM > >>> > >Hi my friend! > >You don't know how much I am going to take you up on your tour manager >offer >when things open up. I believe in my heart they will. You hold that >thought >and take care of yourself my friend. My prayers are still with you. We >have >work to do down the road!!!! > >Love, Sherelle > > >From: Michael Paz > >To: Sherelle Smith ,Joni Digest > > >Subject: Re: The date is set > >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:27:53 -0500 > > > >Sherelle > >This is absolutely fantastic. I am so happy for you. As always let me >know > >if you need any help. When you book the tour I am your tour manager. >This > >date could allow me to make it if all is good with the stars. Best to >you > > > >Love > > > >Paz > > > > > Hi my friends, > > > > > > What once was just a dream has just become a reality. I've booked a >date > >for > > > my first concert. (knees wobbling!) It will be September 17th at >8:30 pm > >at > > > Market 5 Gallery in Eastern Market. (Tickets will be $25) > > > > > > I went down there to meet with the proprietor yesterday and I >signed a > > > contract, gave him my deposit duckies and it's a deal. He was very > > > no-nonsense, but I could tell that he really wants to help me make >this > >a > > > success. I was very touched. His experience came through loud and >clear. > >He > > > suggested that I have a reception after the concert. I was happy >with > >the > > > idea. I just have to work out the details. I feel good about this. >I > >have a > > > group of family members to help out as staff, almost all of the > >musicians > > > are on board (playing phone tag with the most important one >though!) and > >I > > > think I've given myself enough time to do this properly. My number >one > > > concern is putting together a very tight show. > > > > > > I have friends here at Washington Sports and Entertainment who are > > >willing > > > to help me and at Black Entertainment Television (BET) who have >also > >agreed > > > to spread the word. All of these people know people and so I am >hoping > >for a > > > ripple effect. I also plan to do some advertising on the radio >station > >that > > > is playing my music on certain Sundays. My company deals with them >so I > >am > > > going to try to set it up that way. Another coworker in our >Corporate > > > Marketing department who is a musician in her spare time has shown > > >interest > > > in helping me as well. Even my HR manager is rooting for me! Whew! > > > > > > I'm not trying to make a profit for myself personally, but am >trying to > >make > > > sure everyone gets paid and that the concert goes well. When I >cost > > > everything out, this is what I get. The venue can hold about 200 so >I > >have > > > to base things on that number. > > > > > > I don't want to bend ears too much so please feel free to email me >off > >list > > > if you want the gory details! This all started from singing >Dreamland, > >Edith > > > and the Kingpin and Hissing of Summer Lawns into a pocket tape >recorder > >in > > > my bathroom for "A Tape of You". That's when I got the nerve to try >this > > > again so I am perclempt with gratitude to this list. This place >gives > >you > > > the freedom to dream.....Ah...yes.... > > > > > > Love, > > > Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:39:08 -0400 From: brianasymes@aol.com Subject: A Blonde Rose for Joni My Rose seeds from crossing yellow roses last year have germinated and are putting on the baby buds. To offically get Joni's permission to name a rose after her would require some communication with her and any money from the sale would best be donated to a nonprofit org of her chosing. In a few days I will see if a yellow bud forms on my babies. Now If I see a orange bud maybe I might just mail it down to Kate Bennett, Kate do you have a garden for a rose to name after yourself or just call it Katedid. Brian in Portland coming out of the lurkness N.p. Hotel California ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:55:18 -0700 (PDT) From: marilyn huggins Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #127 Does anyone have Ashara's email address Marilyn from MA onlyJMDL Digest wrote: onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, May 1 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 127 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Julius and Joni ["William Waddell" ] Re: from just-ice to just re-released joni music [Catherine McKay Joni on shelf [Garret ] Dream collaborations [Garret ] Re: Dream collaborations ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Rolling Stone ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] RE: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs ["Richard Flynn" Re: from just-ice to just re-released joni music [ron Re: Dream collaborations [Randy Remote ] Re: Rolling Stone [Randy Remote ] Alanis at Starbucks ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs [Lori Fye ] Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs [Catherine McKay swingin' chicks of the 60s [Smurf ] Re: swingin' chicks of the 60s [jrmco1@aol.com] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:10:16 +0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Julius and Joni Julius Julius Julius! The photo of you and Joni is just wonderful! Thanks for sharing it. I am so pleased for you not to mention extremely envious. I take back everything I said about the CTV pic - she looks fab and of course overwhelmed at meeting a JMDLer! I recently had my pic taken with Rufus Wainwright - my that was a buzz as I always get so star struck, but to meet Joni! Well done and thanks again. WtS x _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger 7.0 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 08:43:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: from just-ice to just re-released joni music - - --- Randy Remote wrote: > "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > > > Not to argue, but I heard Bessie Smith singing a > tune called "Do Your > > Duty" which contained this charming couplet: > > "When your down on your luck, > > give you lover your last f. > > Do your duty." > > > > Grace might be in the running too? > > The lyrics (published anyway) are: > If you want to have some love > Give your baby your last buck > Don't come quackin' like a duck > Do your duty > > Maybe Ms Smith changed it, I'm guessing it's a > misheard. I haven't heard this song, but on reading the lyrics, does anyone else hear: If there's one rule to this game Everybody's gonna name, it's BE COOL! ? Catherine Toronto - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:54:34 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Joni on shelf Following recent mention on the list that few of Joni's albums are stocked by many of the high street music stores i decided to check it out for myself, and was pleasantly surprised. In Dublin, Joni's catalogue is well represented in most places. In VIrgin there was one copy of T'log, one TBoS, and 3 BSNs. Choice pickings. I looked in two Golden Discs stores. They had a lot of the 70s albums and the last few releases. They had S&L, Refuge of the Road, PWWAM, and WOHAM in teh DVD section. I was so impressed with this that i bought Refuge of the Roads. It was a little disappointing. Both HMV and Tower Records (i tried two of each; one Tower had a poor selection) had most of Joni's albums. HMV had numerous copies of Blue, Hejira, and LOTC at a sale price, and had multiple copies of HOSL, C&S, HOSL, MOA, S&L, BSN. and then one of most of the others. BSN, T'Log, Dreamland, TBOS are particularly well stocked. In three of the stores i looked in people were looking through Joni's albums. Do i have too much time on my hands? GARRET NP- Patti Smith, Break It Up - - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 15:01:20 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Dream collaborations Joni performing with Tom Waits Patti Smith performing with Nick Cave or Leonard Cohen Gillian Welch and Neil Young Tori Amos and Rufus Wainwright Fiona Apple and Bjork Patti Smith and Thom Yorke Sinead O Connor and Damian Rice Belle & Sebastian and Rufus Wainwright Bruce Springsteen and Chrissie Hynde GARRET NP- Patti Smith, Land - - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:24:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Dream collaborations Garret said: > Tori Amos and Rufus Wainwright This one I saw a few years back here in Florida. Jerry - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:50:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Rolling Stone The new Rolling Stone has a story called A Whole Latte Music with a photo oh the Joni Starbucks cd. In it they refer to Joni as "the reclusive singer songwriter." God. Another label for her. Jerry - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:06:44 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs Umm... "Breakfast Barney"? "Sign-off prayer"? - - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Lori Fye Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 4:25 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs I'm in the office listening to "You Turn Me On I'm A Radio" on FTR and I hear Joni sing: If you're lying on the beach With the transistor going And it occurs to me that, while I often tell people that most of Joni's songs are so timeless that they could be released today, the word "transistor" might be a mystery to some younger people. When was the last time you saw a transistor radio in use? Anyone want to play a round of "Dated terms in Joni's songs"? Lori - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:31:18 +0200 From: ron Subject: Re: from just-ice to just re-released joni music hi "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: >>>>>Not to argue, but I heard Bessie Smith singing a tune called "Do Your Duty" which contained this charming couplet: "When your down on your luck, give you lover your last f. Do your duty." rory block sanitises (why is sanitation so closely linked to sanity???) it quite a bit If you want to have some love Baby give me your last hug Don't come quackin' like a duck Do your duty as much as i love rory's music - thats just plain ridiculous - especially when you consider the song & what its all about. talking about "up against the wall motherfucker" - rhino handmade has a david peel & the lower east side cd consisting of "have a marijuana", and "and the rest is history" plus two unreleased tracks. ron np -rory block - got to shine Randy Remote wrote: >"Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > > > >>Not to argue, but I heard Bessie Smith singing a tune called "Do Your >>Duty" which contained this charming couplet: >>"When your down on your luck, >> give you lover your last f. >> Do your duty." >> >>Grace might be in the running too? >> >> > >The lyrics (published anyway) are: >If you want to have some love >Give your baby your last buck >Don't come quackin' like a duck >Do your duty > >Maybe Ms Smith changed it, I'm guessing it's a misheard. >You do score a point regarding Grace Slick, however- >She sang "Up Against the Wall Motherfucker" in chorus with her >bandmates on 1969's "Volunteers", trumping Lennon by a year. >There is a deliciously thorough discussion of the word here: >http://www.answers.com/topic/fuck >RR - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:54:18 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Dream collaborations Or episodes of Celebrity Deathmatch Garret wrote: > Joni performing with Tom Waits > Patti Smith performing with Nick Cave or Leonard Cohen > Gillian Welch and Neil Young > Tori Amos and Rufus Wainwright > Fiona Apple and Bjork > Patti Smith and Thom Yorke > Sinead O Connor and Damian Rice > Belle & Sebastian and Rufus Wainwright > Bruce Springsteen and Chrissie Hynde - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:56:01 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Rolling Stone "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: > The new Rolling Stone has a story called A Whole Latte Music with a photo > oh the Joni Starbucks cd. In it they refer to Joni as "the reclusive > singer songwriter." God. Another label for her. Wake up the editor-it should be "the reclusive FORMER singer- songwriter" - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:36:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Alanis at Starbucks Oh, No, Mr. Bill! Starbucks' new cd release is Jagged Little Pill Acoustic. - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 22:03:29 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs Richard offered: > Umm... "Breakfast Barney"? "Sign-off prayer"? Sign-off prayer is a good one. These days, do stations (radio or otherwise) ever stop broadcasting? However, I don't know what "Breakfast Barney" is -- was that a local morning radio show somewhere? Anyone know where? Somewhere in California? Somewhere in Canada? As for my original mention of "transistor" and the comments about whether folks referred to a portable radio as such, I think this one falls into the category of artistic license on Joni's part. "Transistor radio" wouldn't have fit into the meter of the song, and, while "radio" would have fit, it was too common a word. "Transistor" worked perfectly, though. This is similar to my old complaint about the song "Electricity," in which Joni sings "The masking tape tangles / It's sticky and black." Of course no one uses masking tape for electrical work (unless you have nothing else), and although it would be sticky (although not very), it's not black. Yes, there is coloured masking tape now, but I've never seen black (and I spend a lot of time at Home Depot!) -- and when Joni wrote the song, masking tape was only produced in that familiar pale yellow (or off-white?) colour. Nonetheless, Joni used "masking tape" because it fit the meter of the song better than "electrical tape" did. Back to the subject ... are there any other examples of "dated" terms in Joni's songs? Lori - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:35:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs - - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Back to the subject ... are there any other examples > of "dated" terms in > Joni's songs? > "Just getting home to my reel-to-reel." Does anyone use that anymore? I'm sure it's all digital these days. Catherine Toronto - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 22:12:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: swingin' chicks of the 60s Joni gets quite a write-up here: http://www.swinginchicks.com/joni_mitchell.htm Here's the complete list of swinging chicks. (See if you can find your name!): Andress, Ursula (Bond Beauty, Dr.No, profiled in the book) Andrews, Julie (Movie Star, Mary Poppins) Ann-Margret (Elvis Girl, Viva Las Vegas, profiled in the book) Asher, Jane (Girlfriend, of Paul McCartney, profiled in the book) Auger, Claudine (Bond Beauty, Thunderball, profiled in the book) Aulin, Ewa (Movie Star, Candy) Baker, Carroll (Movie Star, Harlow, profiled in the book) Baker, Lisa (Model, '67 Playmate of the Year) Bardot, Brigitte (Movie Star, Contempt, profiled in the book) Basil, Toni (Movie Star, Easy Rider) Bianchi, Daniela (Bond Beauty, From Russia with Love, profiled in the book) Bisset, Jacqueline (Bond Beauty, Casino Royale, profiled in the book) Blackman, Honor (Bond Beauty, Goldfinger profiled in the book) Blackman, Joan (Elvis Girl, Blue Hawaii) Boyd, Pattie (Girlfriend/Wife, Mrs. George Harrison, profiled in the book) Britt, May (Girlfriend/Wife, Mrs. Sammy Davis, Jr.) Brown, Helen Gurley (Writer, Cosmopolitan Editor, profiled in the book) Budinger, Vicki (Girlfriend/Wife, Mrs. Tiny Tim) Cannon, Dyan (Movie Star, Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice, profiled in the book) Capote, Truman (Writer, In Cold Blood) Capucine (Movie Star, The Pink Panther, profiled in the book) Cardinale, Claudia (Movie Star, 8 1/2, profiled in the book) Carne, Judy (TV Star, "Laugh-In", profiled in the book) Carroll, Diahann (TV Star, "Julia", profiled in the book) Cartwright, Angela (TV Star, "Lost in Space", profiled in the book) Cher (Songbird, "I Got You Babe", profiled in the book) Christie, Julie (Movie Star, Darling, profiled in the book) Clark, Petula (Songbird, "Downtown", profiled in the book) Cline, Patsy (Songbird, "Crazy") Collins, Judy (Songbird, "Both Sides Now") Cox, Maureen (Girlfriend/Wife, Mrs. Ringo Starr) Craig, Yvonne (TV Star, "Batman", profiled in the book) Dee, Sandra (Beach Girl, Gidget) Deneuve, Catherine (Movie Star, Repulsion, profiled in the book) Des Barres, Pamela (Girlfriend/Wife, L.A. starlover) DeShannon, Jackie (Songbird, "Put a Little Love in Your Heart") De Varona, Donna (Athlete, Olympic swimmer) Dickinson, Angie (Movie Star, Ocean's Eleven, profiled in the book) Douglas, Donna (TV Star, "The Beverly Hillbillies", profiled in the book) Duke, Patty (TV Star, "The Patty Duke Show", profiled in the book) Dunaway, Faye (Movie Star, Bonnie and Clyde, profiled in the book) Eaton, Shirley (Bond Beauty, Goldfinger, profiled in the book) Eden, Barbara (TV Star, "I Dream of Jeannie", profiled in the book) Elliot, Mama Cass (Songbird, the Mamas and the Papas) Ekberg, Anita (Movie Star, 4 for Texas, profiled in the book) Erickson, Dolores (Model, cover of Whipped Cream) Fabares, Shelley (Elvis Girl, Girl Happy, profiled in the book) Faithfull, Marianne (Girlfriend, of Mick Jagger, profiled in the book) Farrow, Mia (Movie Star, Rosemary's Baby, profiled in the book) Feldon, Barbara (TV Star, "Get Smart", profiled in the book) Field, Sally (TV Star, "Gidget", profiled in the book) Fleming, Peggy (Athlete, Olympic skater, profiled in the book) Fonda, Jane (Movie Star, Barbarella, profiled in the book) Francis, Connie (Songbird, "Where the Boys Are") Franklin, Aretha (Songbird, "Respect") Funicello, Annette (Movie Star, Beach Blanket Bingo, profiled in the book) Garr, Teri (Elvis Girl, Fun in Acapulco) Gentry, Bobbie (Songbird, "Ode to Billie Joe") Gore, Lesley (Songbird, "It's My Party") Hama, Mie (Bond Beauty, You Only Live Twice, profiled in the book) Harrison, Linda (Movie Star, Planet of the Apes, profiled in the book) Hart, Dolores (Elvis Girl, King Creole) Hawn, Goldie (Movie Star, Cactus Flower, profiled in the book) Heatherton, Joey (Songbird, "The Dean Martin Show", profiled in the book) Hedren, Tippi (Movie Star, "The Birds", profiled in the book) Helm, Anne (Elvis Girl, Follow That Dream, profiled in the book) Hepburn, Audrey (Movie Star, My Fair Lady, profiled in the book) Hussey, Olivia (Movie Star, Romeo and Juliet, profiled in the book) Hyer, Martha (Movie Star, First Men in the Moon) Jeffries, Fran (Songbird, "Sex and the Single Girl") Jetson, Judy (TV Star, "The Jetsons", profiled in the book) Johnson, Betsey (Model, top American designer in the '60s) Johnson, Candy (Beach Girl, Beach Party) Johnson, Jody (Telescopes) Jones, Anissa (TV Star, "Family Affair") Jones, Carolyn (TV Star, "The Addams Family", profiled in the book) Jones, Shirley (Movie Star, The Music Man) Joplin, Janis (Songbird, "Piece of My Heart", profiled in the book) Kennedy, Jacqueline (Girlfriend/Wife, Mrs. JFK) King, Billie Jean (Athlete, tennis champ) Kristen, Marta (Beach Girl, Beach Blanket Bingo) Langdon, Sue Ane (Elvis Girl, Roustabout) Lavi, Daliah (Bond Beauty, Casino Royale) Lawson, Linda (Songbird, and the movie Night Tide) Leigh, Janet (Movie Star, Psycho, profiled in the book) Lipton, Peggy (TV Star, "The Mod Squad", profiled in the book) Little Red-Haired Girl, The (Girlfriend, of Charlie Brown) Lodge, Veronica (Girlfriend, of Archie Andrews in Archie Comics, profiled in the book) Lollobrigida, Gina (Movie Star, Come September) Longet, Claudine (Songbird, "The Look of Love") Loren, Donna (Beach Girl, Beach Blanket Bingo, profiled in the book) Loren, Sophia (Movie Star, Two Women, profiled in the book) Louise, Tina (TV Star, "Gilligan's Island", profiled in the book) Lulu (Songbird, "To Sir with Love", profiled in the book) Lynley, Carol (Movie Star, Bunny Lake Is Missing) Lynn, Loretta (Songbird, "I'm a Honky Tonk Girl") Lyon, Sue (Movie Star, Lolita, profiled in the book) MacLaine, Shirley (Movie Star, The Apartment, profiled in the book) MacRae, Meredith (TV Star, "Petticoat Junction") Mansfield, Jayne (Movie Star, Promises! Promises!, profiled in the book) Margolin, Janet (Movie Star, David & Lisa) McBain, Diane (Elvis Girl, Spinout) McKay, Catherine (Cuddly Canadian) Merrill, Carol (TV Star, "Let's Make a Deal") Mills, Hayley (Movie Star, The Parent Trap, profiled in the book) Mimieux, Yvette (Movie Star, The Time Machine) Mitchell, Joni (Songbird, "Woodstock") Mobley, Mary Ann (Elvis Girl, Harum Scarum, profiled in the book) Moffitt, Peggy (Model, Rudi Gernreich's fashions) Monroe, Marilyn (Movie Star, The Misfits, profiled in the book) Montgomery, Elizabeth (TV Star, "Bewitched", profiled in the book) Moon, Kim (Girlfriend/Wife, Mrs. Keith Moon) Moore, Mary Tyler (TV Star, "The Dick Van Dyke Show", profiled in the book) Morrison, Pamela (Girlfriend, of Jim Morrison) Newmar, Julie (TV Star, "Batman", profiled in the book) Nichols, Nichelle (TV Star, "Star Trek", profiled in the book) Nico (Songbird, the Velvet Underground, profiled in the book) Noel, Chris (Beach Girl, Beach Ball, profiled in the book) Novak, Kim (Movie Star, Kiss Me, Stupid) Nun, The Singing (Songbird, "Dominique") Pallenberg, Anita (Girlfriend, of Keith Richards, profiled in the book) Parkins, Barbara (TV Star, "Peyton Place") Parlette, Patti (Ooh, la la!) Parks, Allison (Model, '66 Playmate of the Year) Parrish, Julie (Elvis Girl, Paradise, Hawaiian Style, profiled in the book) Pettet, Joanna (Bond Beauty, Casino Royale) Phillips, Michelle (Songbird, the Mamas and the Papas, profiled in the book) Plath, Sylvia (Writer, The Bell Jar) Pleshette, Suzanne (Movie Star, Nevada Smith) Powers, Stefanie (TV Star, "The Girl from U.N.C.L.E.") Presley, Priscilla (Girlfriend/Wife, Mrs. Elvis Presley, profiled in the book) Priest, Pat (TV Star, "The Munsters", profiled in the book) Prowse, Juliet (Elvis Girl, G.I. Blues, profiled in the book) Quant, Mary (Model, creator of the miniskirt, profiled in the book) Redgrave, Vanessa (Movie Star, Camelot, profiled in the book) Rigby, Cathy (Athlete, Olympic gymnast, profiled in the book) Rigg, Diana (Bond Beauty, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, profiled in the book) Ross, Katharine (Movie Star, The Graduate, profiled in the book) Rudolph, Wilma (Athlete, Olympic sprinter) St. John, Jill (Movie Star, Tony Rome, profiled in the book) Scott, Janette (Movie Star, Crack in the World) Seberg, Jean (Movie Star, Paint Your Wagon) Sedgwick, Edie (Model, Andy Warhol's girl, profiled in the book) Shepherd, Cybill (Model, teen queen) Shrimpton, Jean (Model, Yardley Cosmetics, profiled === message truncated === ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #260 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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