From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #259 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, June 28 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 259 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 41-50 of JM Covers [Mark-Leon Th] RE: what is Chicago today??? NJC ["mike pritchard" ] RE: what is Chicago today??? NJC [Em ] Hello [Peep Richman ] Judgement Day (re: downloads and file-swapping) (njc) [littlebreen@comcas] Ixnay on the Een-gray and mystery songs [littlebreen@comcast.net] file sharing njc ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Ixnay on the Een-gray and mystery songs [Catherine McKay ] Re: hits ?? [Lori Fye ] Re: NJC what is Chicago today??? NJC [Lori Fye ] Re: The date is set ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Jeremy and the Wizard of Is [littlebreen@comcast.net] Re: The date is set [LCStanley7@aol.com] A very good tool [notaro ] Re: A traitor about to be honored, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Jeremy and the Wizard of Is [Gary Z ] Re: A traitor about to be honored, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Teach a man to fish... njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Jeremy and the Wizard of Is [Bob Muller ] Re: The date is set [Michael Paz ] Re: Hello [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:33:20 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 41-50 of JM Covers I have heard so much about Bob's covers project and am dying to get some copies of them. As I don't have any of them, I would be happy to get any or all of them. So, wherever they are in the world, would you please let me know where you are and send them to me so that I may copy them and send them on to the next person? Mark in Sydney. NP Bring My Family Back (Matt Darey Mix) - Faithless ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:54:49 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: what is Chicago today??? NJC >>I do love fat punchy horns...<< so put on the chicago transit authority lp/cd, slap on the headphones, crank up the volume and hit 'Introduction', and forget about the current band. After this I think the band went downhill, IMO, of course. mike in bcn NP PJHarvey Kamikaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 05:12:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: RE: what is Chicago today??? NJC Hi mike, Ha! thats probably the best advice! yeah I kinda suspect that while the live show may have its rippin' "moments", it may well be awash in Vegas style smarm. Because, really and truly, they do have to try and please that audience too. I think this is the kind of concert it would be fun to just "happen upon", for free. Thanks too, to Randy and Bob for their .02. :) em - --- mike pritchard wrote: > >>I do love fat punchy horns...<< > > so put on the chicago transit authority lp/cd, slap on the > headphones, crank > up the volume and hit 'Introduction', and forget about the current > band. After > this I think the band went downhill, IMO, of course. > mike in bcn > NP PJHarvey Kamikaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 05:54:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Hello Hi Everyone, I, like Sue, have been reading your very informative messages for months but this is the first time I am stepping from the shadows. I guess it was you, Sue, who gave me the uuummmph! I have adored Joni since her very first album (dating myself, am I?). I can say that without question her music, the incredible lyrics and intimacy she shares with us has saved my life on so many occasions. I remember how I sat mesmerized as each album, now CD was released. The only CD I am missing is the one from Starbucks. Joni has taught me so much and her magnificent artistry has given me hope when the black clouds loomed too low. Having always wanted to have a discussion with Joni, I know that a conversation with her....although one-sided...is something I've enjoyed for over 25 years or more. She allows each listener to dig way down into the emotional trenches and challenges you to make decisions, see our world differently, commit random acts of kindness, consider and reconsider why you're on the planet and she allows you to have a few belly laughs. Her wisdom is profound. You are all so informed and witty. I enjoy the digest so much and thank you for helping me through some tough times. Bo Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:01:58 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Judgement Day (re: downloads and file-swapping) (njc) Hi, all, The Supreme Court is real busy these days as it prepares to tie things up before its three-month slumber, but since we've chatting so much about the legality of file-swapping, I thought I'd mention that one of the cases they may be considering today is about just that. Renquist's probable retirement is bigger news, and I'm more concerned about the ruling on public display of the 10 Commandments, but I thought I'd give a heads up (and an apology if someone's already done so). Best, Walt-- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:58:30 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Ixnay on the Een-gray and mystery songs Hi, all, I'm working on a rather dire essay on this, my least favorite day of the year (more about which if I decide to send it here), but first I thought I'd write something Jonish. This is partly for the people new to this site and to JoniMitchell.com, to give them an idea of what incredible resources both are. This weekend, I watched the DVD of "Joni Mitchell: Woman of Heart and Mind" which a good friend had sent me this past Christmas. I didn't rush to watch it because I'd watched the VHS version at least three times since it'd been broadcast, what, a year or more ago on PBS. Of course, two of the advantages of DVD over VHS are the extras the former has, and the ability to jump around; and the vastly superior quality of the picture, especially if you want to freeze frame and examine something more closely -- something I'll return to below. But also in this past week, I got in the mail a copy of Leonore Fleischer's 1976 book "Joni Mitchell: Her life, her loves and her music". I'd bought this book when it came out and must have read a dozen times between 1976 and 1990, when I lost it; so when I saw it somewhere for about 3 bucks, I snatched it up. But I didn't start reading it until the morning after I'd watched the DVD. I was curious, given Joni's happiness at finding Kilauren and being a grandmom now, at how Fleischer's book from nearly 30 years ago dealt with Little Green, because I couldn't remember anything in the book about this wrenching period in Joni's life. (I'd always been curious, of course, about who Joni'd been writing about, a friend perhaps, who'd been forced to give a baby up for adoption -- remember, the song's in the ambiguous second person, not first or third, but of course one can talk to oneself in the second, as to a reflection; still, I figured certainly by the time the book was written, she'd have "come out" about it if she'd had a child, so I really thought the song was about someone else...) Well, sure enough, it's a case of ignoring the big pink (or little green) elephant in the room with you. The period of time in which Joni briefly attended college, started singing in coffee houses to pay the rent and married Chuck Mitchell are all but glossed over, and -- this is the real kicker -- while every single song of Joni's career thus far (through HOSL) is discussed with at least a sentence in the latter half of the book, guess which song is never mentioned at all? I don't know Leonore Fleischer -- is s/he an old friend of Joni's or an established music journalist I'm not familiar with? Anyway, I can't help but wonder that the omission of the song, and the short shrifting of that period in Joni's life, must have been an intentional one. "I'll sit on a secret where honor is at stake." I partly believe Joni's explanation of why she kept the birth a secret for so long -- not to protect her "*own* honor, but to spare her parents the embarrassment -- but I also respect her desire, living such a public life, to keep *some* things to herself. When Blue came out, what did journalists of the period do? Did any directly probe Joni as to the identity of the "you" in LG (was she talking to the press at all during this time)? If so, what kind of answers did she give? (I didn't start reading Music journalism until around the time of Court and Spark, when I was a freshman in college.) I should go to the archives and just find out for myself, of course... Anyway, returning now to the DVD, I was thrilled to be able to freeze frame on a "page" I'd never been able to make out very well before, in Joni's handwriting. Here was what I was finally able to make out clearly: I Came To The City 1. I Had a King 2. Free Darling 3. Tin Angel 4. He Comes For Conversation 5. Night In the City 6. Morning Morgantown/Dr. Junk 7. Gift of the Magi 8. Chelsea Morning 9. Michael From Mountains 10. Cara's Castle [I should note that this was hard to make out -- it seemed Joni hadn't at the time definitely decided *whose* castle, since I can also make out a "J"; I was able to resolve it at JoniMitchell.com] 11. Jeremy (incomplete) I'm assuming Joni jotted this down as she was tossing ideas around for the first album, STAS. Were they the songs for the whole album, or was she just in the winnowing phase for just the first side of STAS? Facinating to speculate... And then the songs! The only one that's a complete mystery to me (and apparently to everyone) is Free Darling -- no recordings that I know of, no sheet music, no words. Most of the others are all either on one of Joni's albums or are available in one form or another from the good people here, with the exception of Jeremy and Cara's Castle. I have Jeremy now in sheet music form and I'm working on it, but apparently a recording *was* made of it as they were working on STAS! (I got this info from jonimitchell.com, under Music, Rarities.) This is the kind of thing I wish they'd release! Here are the words (also available there), and the melody is a slow folk waltz: Jeremy Jeremy sits in the sun and he stares at the stripes On the floor from the bars on the door, Thinking of rabbits he kept as a child In a chicken wire cage; he remembers the rage Of his father the night he made his one call; The relative stranger who left him to fall To the mercy of judges with no shield at all. Now he sits and he stares at the punishing wall. Jeremy picks up the crayon he saved and he Writes in the dark and he thinks of the park And the flowers he gave to the girl with the bells. He remembers he smile; it was gone at the trial. Hear the footsteps of night guards patrolling the halls. There are coughers and talkers who don't sleep at all. 'Midst the cursewords and worse words That someone had scrawled He writes her a poem on the punishing wall. Mary, sweet Mary, it's dark and it's cold; It's all of the stories you've ever been told. Keep the jar on the window, keep the lock on the door. keep your mind on the man; keep away from the store. Oh, Jeremy gentle, oh, Jeremy kind As you walk with the thieves and the killers believe That our numbers are growin'; the change has to come. Put resentment aside; don't turn bitter and die ) 1967, 1969 SIQUOMB PUBLISHING CORP. Interesting, no? Kind of Leonard Cohen or Johnny Cashish. But the real shocker was Cara's Castle, which I hadn't investigated before: Cara's Castle If you ever come to our town On a carousel crusade And you're tired of fighting windmills with a nail Cross the fence and join the dragons Who have never made the grade Caras castle and the keepers of a most unholy grail. Oh Cara, Queen of the losers, ruler of the weak Give the poet what he chooses till he's too dumb to speak There's a clock upon the mantle But its hands forget the time And the windows turn their backs upon the day And the people in the shadows Could be all lost friends of mine Caras courtiers need no light  need no light to lose their way Oh Cara, Queen of the losers, ruler of the weak Give the poet what he chooses till he's too dumb to speak From the end to the beginning Crippled minds retrace the steps From the burial to the birth they do retreat Wonderin where and when and why Their souls were slaughtered while they slept Caras courtiers know no victory  know no victory just defeat Oh Cara, Queen of the losers, ruler of the weak Give the poet what he chooses till he's too dumb to speak One by one the battered soldiers Go slowly cross the moat One by one they seek new castles somewhere else With their crutches and the cravens And I wonder is there hope Is there hope for Caras courtiers  and the wars against themselves Oh Cara, Queen of the losers, ruler of the weak Give the poet what he chooses till he's too dumb to speak ) Gandalf Publishing Co. 1967 Yikes, huh? Sort of a nastier Roses Blue. I guess she couldn't put two songs about assh*les in castles on the same album and either she or the powers that be at Reprise decided that I Had A King was the better song. By the way, I noticed that as of the last time it was updated, the words to the Wizard of Is were not available at the site -- but isn't it on one of the recordings we now have? I can't remember the name of the collection, a recording made in the UK around '67; it was given out at the '01 'Fest, which I didn't attend, but through Smurf I met Queen Ashara, who was kind enough to give me a copy -- and now I can't find it -- if I do, I'll be happy to do the transcription for the site -- 'bout time I contributed something! Best to all, Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:01:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: file sharing njc Breaking News: Supreme Court rules against file-sharing services Internet file-sharing services will be held responsible if they intend for their customers to use software primarily to swap songs and movies illegally, the Supreme Court ruled Monday, rejecting warnings that the lawsuits will stunt growth of cool tech gadgets such as the next iPod. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:30:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Ixnay on the Een-gray and mystery songs - --- littlebreen@comcast.net wrote: > And then the songs! The only one that's a complete > mystery to me (and apparently to everyone) is Free > Darling -- no recordings that I know of, no sheet > music, no words. Most of the others are all either > on one of Joni's albums or are available in one form > or another from the good people here, with the > exception of Jeremy and Cara's Castle. I have > Jeremy now in sheet music form and I'm working on > it, but apparently a recording *was* made of it as > they were working on STAS! (I got this info from > jonimitchell.com, under Music, Rarities.) This is > the kind of thing I wish they'd release! Here are > the words (also available there), and the melody is > a slow folk waltz: "Jeremy" is in "The Joni Mitchell Songbook", and I taught it to myself a long time ago, then forgot about it because the book went missing (but, thanks to E-Bay, has now been replaced.) This is the very first time I've ever heard of either "Cara's Castle" or "Free Darling." Weird, and wow. Thanks, Walt, for mentioning it, because many more years could have gone by without my noticing it. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:40:45 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: A traitor about to be honored, njc > It's really quite simple, I just got this in the mail and didn't recall it had been discussed here before. I was in no way endorsing it, just asking > for the straight dope which Jerry provided in no time. I apologize to Lori and the List if I've rehashed a lame hoax, quite unknowlingly I > assure you. Laurent, you don't owe me an apology. Maybe I owe you one, though! I have to admit to overreacting when I saw the Fonda thing. I've just had it up to "here" with people whining on and on, ad nauseaum, about Jane Fonda. It was so long ago, and she's apologized. Anyway, let's all be friends again, shall we? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:46:38 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: hits ?? > `Boy winds came around "Boy winds"? What the hell are "boy winds"? Is that some sort of Beavis & Butthead cut-the-cheese kinda thing? ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:43:30 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: NJC what is Chicago today??? NJC I saw Chicago about 7 years ago at the San Antonio Stock Show & Rodeo, and - -- even though Peter Cetera wasn't with them, as Bob pointed out -- they were quite good and it was an enjoyable show. Have fun! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:16:13 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: The date is set Hi Laura! Of course you know I am perclempt again! (I love "Coffee Talk") Thank you! I know I am going to do something "Joni". I think that will have to become a staple! I owe her so much for her influnece and just for the beauty of everything she has created both musically and artistically. I get this liump in my throat every time I think about it and think about her. She risked herself emotionally and musically to gve us the very depth of her soul. How can anyone top that? How can anyone even come close? Where one person may excel in technique, they would lack in emotional depth and intensity (in my book). I know of no other artist who has given so much of both. I'm sure there are a handful that come close, but for me, Joni has no rival.... Love, Sherelle >From: LCStanley7@aol.com >To: joni@smoe.org >CC: sherellesmith@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: The date is set >Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:52:08 EDT > >Sherelle wrote: > >This all started from singing Dreamland, Edith >and the Kingpin and Hissing of Summer Lawns into a pocket tape recorder in >my bathroom for "A Tape of You". > > >Hi Sherelle, > > Congrats on setting the date!! I hope someday I can hear you sing >these >songs. > >Love, >Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:19:51 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Re: Jeremy and the Wizard of Is <<"Jeremy" is in "The Joni Mitchell Songbook", and I taught it to myself a long time ago, then forgot about it because the book went missing>> Hey, Catherine, yeah, same here on both counts -- learned Jeremy and the 6 or 7 "unrecorded" songs in the JM Songbooks -- which has all of the first two albums and several unrecorded ones -- just by playing it on the piano back in the '70's, and I'm trying them out again, now that I have the sheet music again (thank you, Rob in Chicago) and now that I've heard several more of them actually sung by her Siquombness, thanks to this crew. Btw, all, I found my copy of "Couriers Fold Club Appearance at the White Swan, Leicester, UK, ca. September 1967" and relistened to the Wizard of Is (along with Little David, Come to the Sunshine, Dr. Junk, Eastern Rain, and Go Tell the Drummer Man, and several of her well-known and officially recorded songs). The sound to "Wizard" isn't too bad, and I'm going to transcribe the words and then see if I can figure out how to submit it to jonimitchell.com. I'll also check to make sure the words to all of the songs I just listed above are there, too. I think I made this comment after first hearing Wizard (and someone strongly agreed, Bob Muller maybe?) that it sounded like a response song to Leonard Cohen's "Suzanne". They are known to have been pals (if not more) back in Joni's scufflin' days in the boho zones of Canada. Best to all, Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me > > --- littlebreen@comcast.net wrote: > > > And then the songs! The only one that's a complete > > mystery to me (and apparently to everyone) is Free > > Darling -- no recordings that I know of, no sheet > > music, no words. Most of the others are all either > > on one of Joni's albums or are available in one form > > or another from the good people here, with the > > exception of Jeremy and Cara's Castle. I have > > Jeremy now in sheet music form and I'm working on > > it, but apparently a recording *was* made of it as > > they were working on STAS! (I got this info from > > jonimitchell.com, under Music, Rarities.) This is > > the kind of thing I wish they'd release! Here are > > the words (also available there), and the melody is > > a slow folk waltz: > > "Jeremy" is in "The Joni Mitchell Songbook", and I > taught it to myself a long time ago, then forgot about > it because the book went missing (but, thanks to > E-Bay, has now been replaced.) This is the very first > time I've ever heard of either "Cara's Castle" or > "Free Darling." Weird, and wow. Thanks, Walt, for > mentioning it, because many more years could have gone > by without my noticing it. > > Catherine > Toronto > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:33:03 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: The date is set In a message dated 6/27/2005 3:16:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, sherellesmith@hotmail.com writes: She risked herself emotionally and musically to gve us the very depth of her soul. How can anyone top that? How can anyone even come close? Very well said Sherelle! Joni is all gift. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:36:39 -0700 (PDT) From: notaro Subject: A very good tool file attachment: main_site_temp This e-mail in its original form contained one or more attached files that were infected with the W32.Klez.H@mm virus or worm. They have been removed. For more information on Road Runner's virus filtering initiative, visit our Help & Member Services pages at http://help.rr.com, or the virus filtering information page directly at http://help.rr.com/faqs/e_mgsp.html. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:34:40 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: A traitor about to be honored, njc Anyway, let's all be friends again, shall we? Lori We never stopped being friends. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:39:45 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: Ixnay on the Een-gray and mystery songs Thanks for your insightful thoughts, research and analysis, walt. You've piqued my interest in those rarities, which I had always planned to delve into, but never quite got sufficiently motivated. I am now! Those "Jeremy" and "Cara's Castle" lyrics are fresh meat for this Joni carnivore. Grrrr. Let's eat! Btw, walt. I've got Rolling Stone mags from the Blue period coming soon from ebay. I'll see if I can find any mention or explication of "LG" therein. Again, the articles are probably on jmdl.com, but sometimes I like doing stuff the old fashioned way. (Stay out of this, Paz! :-) Funny you should be waxing Joni this way today, walt. I was listening to her "Night Ride Home Radio Show" which I was able to acquire from our simon many Matella moons ago. She delves into a lot of these questions, somewhat. I do so love to hear that woman speak, think, sing and giggle... Heck, I could drink a tub of her bath water! Sorry. That's kinda gross. Spanning my brain for a better analogy... :-) - -Julius - -----Original Message----- From: littlebreen@comcast.net To: Joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:58:30 +0000 Subject: Ixnay on the Een-gray and mystery songs Hi, all, I'm working on a rather dire essay on this, my least favorite day of the year (more about which if I decide to send it here), but first I thought I'd write something Jonish. This is partly for the people new to this site and to JoniMitchell.com, to give them an idea of what incredible resources both are. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:16:00 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: A traitor about to be honored, njc I wrote: << This is not the first time Laurent has sent something like this to the list: a mixture of facts, half truths, distortions and outright lies. As you say, Lori, it's been doing the rounds for years (at least since 1999). Quite why Laurent felt it necessary to disinter it at this time is a mystery, or at least it would be if I gave a toss. >> Laurent replied: << It's really quite simple, I just got this in the mail and didn't recall it had been discussed here before. I was in no way endorsing it, just asking for the straight dope which Jerry provided in no time. I apologize to Lori and the List if I've rehashed a lame hoax, quite unknowlingly I assure you. >> To be frank, Im not greatly bothered by the slur on Jane Fonda per se - Im sure she can look after herself. I still dont get why you felt the need to post the whole damn thing to the list, though. Were you that bothered, Laurent? I can only assume you were somewhat exercised by this issue, as you must see a lot of stuff like this, spam, emails that do the rounds endlessly recycling old and discredited rumours, and which Im sure you ignore most of the time, as we all do. However, you chose to post this. To then say that youre *not* endorsing it is at least disingenuous, in my opinion. Laurent continued: << Now Azeem the other "letter" you are referring to was posted by me in 8/01. The letter did have a few flaws I agree, but not to the extent you're describing. You thought it was dirty propaganda and you posted a reply which you obviously pulled from the net and I could return the same appreciation about this reply. No need to restart this debate now. I think we've covered it enough. >> Yes, I *did* think it was propaganda. It was exactly as I say, a mixture of truth, distortion and lies, although we could probably haggle over the exact proportion of each ingredient. Again, I remember being incensed that you had posted the whole thing to the list, and it was *far* more important than a load of old scuttlebutt about a millionaire actress. What you posted was *unequivocally* anti-Islamic and even irresponsible, and your response then was similar to your response now: Oh, Im not endorsing this, just forwarding an interesting email to the list, its quite impartial - or words to that effect. Well sorry, but that just wont wash. The much maligned Paul IV posted a brief response, which I remember verbatim: Im Jewish and I support the state of Israel, but to claim that this list is impartial is preposterous. On this occasion, he was right on the money, though you were quick to rubbish his response. What you did was the equivalent of dropping a firework into a room and then walking off and letting others clear up the mess. There is always a question, when someone does something we find objectionable, as to whether their actions are those of, as Shakespeare had it, a knave or a fool. All I can say is that you seem to have learned nothing from the earlier incident (and I wasnt the only one who objected to it), given your willingness to punt speculative and scurrilous material to the list. Oh, and by the way, I did find a rebuttal to the 15 facts about Islam, but I didnt post it to the list; I posted a *link* to it (maybe Im splitting hairs, but I think it does make a difference) and explained that the link was to an *alternative* take on the list you had posted. Laurent continued: << [...] I wish we could be friends notwithstanding our perpetual disagreement on a political topic due to our respective cultural backgrounds. >> My disagreement with you is NOTHING to do with our respective cultural backgrounds - by which Im assuming you mean that you are Jewish and I am - well, what exactly? For your information, Im half English, half Pakistani, wholly secular and wholly British. Your cultural background is irrelevant. I was objecting to your *behaviour* and I would have been equally incensed by that list you posted, whoever had posted it; or, indeed, if some anti-Semite had posted a rehash of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. As far as holding a grudge against you is concerned, I can only plead guilty. Im not proud and I have no mitigation. I wish I could be as equanimous as Lori, but I cant. Azeem in London - -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.0/27 - Release Date: 23/06/2005 - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.2/29 - Release Date: 27/06/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:23:10 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Jeremy and the Wizard of Is Hi Walt, The lyrics to "Wizard of Is" may not be on jonimitchell.com but they are present on our own jmdl.com site. I copied and pasted them here for you: Best regards, Gary The Wizard of Is by Joni Mitchell Printer-friendly version of this lyric - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ He's a little like the sunlight As he walks into your kitchen Kinda golden like the morning As he asks you what you're fixin' So you set the table pretty With the flower that he brings you And you flutter like a robin When it's found a friend to sing to And you think you maybe love him For he speaks to you in riddles About little men and Kings As he holds you like a wizard And you watch the sunlight scatter from his ring And the Wizard is your moon now Your enchanted silver jester And he fills the dark with moonbirds While you smile to think that yesterday You watched him from the shadows Like a thief who'd come to steal him With a ladder on a mountain And you thought you'd never reach him For he seems too high above you And he speaks to you in riddles Saying I am but a mirror For reflection of your fables And the happy ending stories that you hear - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Copyright ) 1966; Gandalf Publishing Company littlebreen@comcast.net wrote: >Btw, all, I found my copy of "Couriers Fold Club Appearance at the White Swan, Leicester, UK, ca. September 1967" and relistened to the Wizard of Is (along with Little David, Come to the Sunshine, Dr. Junk, Eastern Rain, and Go Tell the Drummer Man, and several of her well-known and officially recorded songs). The sound to "Wizard" isn't too bad, and I'm going to transcribe the words and then see if I can figure out how to submit it to jonimitchell.com. I'll also check to make sure the words to all of the songs I just listed above are there, too. > >I think I made this comment after first hearing Wizard (and someone strongly agreed, Bob Muller maybe?) that it sounded like a response song to Leonard Cohen's "Suzanne". They are known to have been pals (if not more) back in Joni's scufflin' days in the boho zones of Canada. > >Best to all, > >Walt > >-- >Let the walls go tumbling down >Falling on the ground >And all the dogs go running free >The wild and gentle dogs >Kenneled in me > > > > >>--- littlebreen@comcast.net wrote: >> >> >> >>>And then the songs! The only one that's a complete >>>mystery to me (and apparently to everyone) is Free >>>Darling -- no recordings that I know of, no sheet >>>music, no words. Most of the others are all either >>>on one of Joni's albums or are available in one form >>>or another from the good people here, with the >>>exception of Jeremy and Cara's Castle. I have >>>Jeremy now in sheet music form and I'm working on >>>it, but apparently a recording *was* made of it as >>>they were working on STAS! (I got this info from >>>jonimitchell.com, under Music, Rarities.) This is >>>the kind of thing I wish they'd release! Here are >>>the words (also available there), and the melody is >>>a slow folk waltz: >>> >>> >>"Jeremy" is in "The Joni Mitchell Songbook", and I >>taught it to myself a long time ago, then forgot about >>it because the book went missing (but, thanks to >>E-Bay, has now been replaced.) This is the very first >>time I've ever heard of either "Cara's Castle" or >>"Free Darling." Weird, and wow. Thanks, Walt, for >>mentioning it, because many more years could have gone >>by without my noticing it. >> >>Catherine >>Toronto >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:41:00 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: A traitor about to be honored, njc Azeem Thank you for your interesting and honest post, as always. About the Jane Fonda stuff, I can't help it if you don't believe I was not endorsing it. I really didn't pay attention when it got discussed earlier on. A lot of stuff gets posted on the List and if you want to analyze my "hidden motives" I guess the only logical answer is that I must have been a fool on that day. See, no need to put me on trial any further, I admit it. Regarding the 8/01 letter I will not disclaim it as you assume I will. You're right, I lit a match and since I was a newbie then I didn't realize that this would put me on a hot seat for quite some time. Now I spent a great deal of time and energy making my case for about 1 year and a half following that 1st letter. You on the other hand as far as I remember kept silent during all this time after posting the initial "link", which I'm not blaming you for it. So please do not say that I lit a firework and walked off. I "cleared" or rather cleaned up my mess, and I did it with very little help. If you choose to begin this argument all over again with the admittingly flawed 1st post that sparked the fire, I'm always ready. Azeem you are too smart to have forgotten the dozens of post I've written on this topic. So what's your idea? Calling me at this stage "anti islamist and irresponsible" is nothing but a cheap shot. Just over the past couple of weeks I befriended a young muslim pakistani to whom I trusted the entire upheaval and future maintenance of my computer network. This was after being screwed by a "fellow" jew a few days earlier. So yes I've learned and I never stop learning over and over that there are good and bad people everywhere. What you're really saying is that I made a mistake 4 years ago and I made another mistake 2 weeks ago and that "I learned nothing about the incident". This is very profound and yes I'm only human and prone to making mistakes. In fact I must be stupid because as my dad would say "only fools make the same mistake twice" and you'd better keep watching because I sometimes make them even more than twice! So you've been lurking for 4 years waiting for the right moment to expose me. Congratulations, you win hands down. No contest. Now that you've made your point, would you consent to coming to Jonifest? I can't help thinking it's because of this grudge you're harboring towards me that you won't come and I think it's a real shame. Come on over and let's make peace in the garden. I'll even meet you in London, in fact I'll be there in 2 weeks, wanna have lunch? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:10:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Hello Hi Bo - welcome & thanks for the intro and a great first post - I particularly liked this part: "Having always wanted to have a discussion with Joni, I know that a conversation with her....although one-sided...is something I've enjoyed for over 25 years or more." Very well put, and part of the mystique about being a Joni fan is that you singularly feel as though you have a personal relationship with her because you relate to her songs so well and it seems like at times she's writing just for you. Then of course you meet a GROUP that feels the same way and it's even cooler. Looking forward to hearing more from you - new voices rock. But your name shows up as "Peep", and you call yourself "Bo"...do we call you Bo Peep? Bob NP: Air, "Playground Love" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:14:14 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Teach a man to fish... njc Or, more appropriately, "Teach a geek to teach, you guarantee a cheap & talented labor pool for decades." I read this on Infoworld about teaching computer skills in India: >Microsoft has set up IT academies in a number of Indian states, and has so far trained more than 37,000 teachers and 1.8 million students across India. Backed by a US$20 million investment from the software maker, Project Shiksha aims to train 3.5 million students and 80,000 teachers in government schools by 2007.> Sincerely, Jim np: Springsteen's "18 Tracks" at 1/2 volume ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:20:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Jeremy and the Wizard of Is Well, I don't know about it being a response to Suzanne, but it certainly sounds like a mirror image of the song. Matter of fact, when I played it for my sister she thought it was Joni doing a cover of Suzanne. There's gotta be more to the story than meets the ear, I'd love to know the dirt & hopefully one day we will. And thanks to Gary for pointing out the lyrics which reside on jmdl.com. I've always had a fascination with these early unreleased songs - I'd flip to see more of them uncovered for us to enjoy & discuss. And just reading through Cara's Castle & Jeremy, it seems like a similar lyrical pattern to several of the songs on STAS. Thanks for a thought-provoking post, Walt. Bob Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:27:53 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: The date is set Sherelle This is absolutely fantastic. I am so happy for you. As always let me know if you need any help. When you book the tour I am your tour manager. This date could allow me to make it if all is good with the stars. Best to you Love Paz > Hi my friends, > > What once was just a dream has just become a reality. I've booked a date for > my first concert. (knees wobbling!) It will be September 17th at 8:30 pm at > Market 5 Gallery in Eastern Market. (Tickets will be $25) > > I went down there to meet with the proprietor yesterday and I signed a > contract, gave him my deposit duckies and it's a deal. He was very > no-nonsense, but I could tell that he really wants to help me make this a > success. I was very touched. His experience came through loud and clear. He > suggested that I have a reception after the concert. I was happy with the > idea. I just have to work out the details. I feel good about this. I have a > group of family members to help out as staff, almost all of the musicians > are on board (playing phone tag with the most important one though!) and I > think I've given myself enough time to do this properly. My number one > concern is putting together a very tight show. > > I have friends here at Washington Sports and Entertainment who are willing > to help me and at Black Entertainment Television (BET) who have also agreed > to spread the word. All of these people know people and so I am hoping for a > ripple effect. I also plan to do some advertising on the radio station that > is playing my music on certain Sundays. My company deals with them so I am > going to try to set it up that way. Another coworker in our Corporate > Marketing department who is a musician in her spare time has shown interest > in helping me as well. Even my HR manager is rooting for me! Whew! > > I'm not trying to make a profit for myself personally, but am trying to make > sure everyone gets paid and that the concert goes well. When I cost > everything out, this is what I get. The venue can hold about 200 so I have > to base things on that number. > > I don't want to bend ears too much so please feel free to email me off list > if you want the gory details! This all started from singing Dreamland, Edith > and the Kingpin and Hissing of Summer Lawns into a pocket tape recorder in > my bathroom for "A Tape of You". That's when I got the nerve to try this > again so I am perclempt with gratitude to this list. This place gives you > the freedom to dream.....Ah...yes.... > > Love, > Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:30:54 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Hello Hi Bo and welcome to the list. Jump right and in there and be a regular voice. I have been a huge fan since 1971 when I discovered her music while visiting Paris. Best Paz > Hi Everyone, > I, like Sue, have been reading your very informative messages for months but > this is the first time I am stepping from the shadows. I guess it was you, > Sue, who gave me the uuummmph! > I have adored Joni since her very first album (dating myself, am I?). I can > say that without question her music, the incredible lyrics and intimacy she > shares with us has saved my life on so many occasions. I remember how I sat > mesmerized as each album, now CD was released. The only CD I am missing is > the one from Starbucks. > Joni has taught me so much and her magnificent artistry has given me hope when > the black clouds loomed too low. > Having always wanted to have a discussion with Joni, I know that a > conversation with her....although one-sided...is something I've enjoyed for > over 25 years or more. She allows each listener to dig way down into the > emotional trenches and challenges you to make decisions, see our world > differently, commit random acts of kindness, consider and reconsider why > you're on the planet and she allows you to have a few belly laughs. Her > wisdom is profound. > You are all so informed and witty. I enjoy the digest so much and thank you > for helping me through some tough times. > Bo > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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