From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #252 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, June 22 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 252 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: A Crow of a different color, or at least different arrangement [Jamie] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #178 [ROBMSTEEN@aol.com] Re: A Crow of a different color, or at least different arrangement [Cath] a traitor is about to be honored, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: A traitor about to be honored - NJC [Lori Fye ] Re: Christina Friis-Nielsen (now njc) [Lori Fye ] Re: njc Downing Street Memos inauthentic [Lori Fye ] Re: A Crow of a different color, or at least different arrangement [litt] Wainwrights njc [Garret ] Subject: NJC Martha, Lauren, Keren Ann & Lila alert [Garret ] Re: A traitor about to be honored - NJC [Lori Fye ] RE: A traitor about to be honored - NJC ["Azeem" ] Re: A traitor about to be honored - NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: A traitor about to be honored - NJC [Em ] Re: A traitor about to be honored - NJC [Lori Fye ] Re: The Duchess of Coolsville - njc [Bob Muller ] Re: njc what is wrong with this picture [David Marine Subject: Re: A Crow of a different color, or at least different arrangement Hi Walt The sheet music to DJRD (the song anyway) is included on the 'Joni Mitchell Anthology' book but is in standard tuning. I have never seen a DJRD songbook but I suspect that it will also be in standard tuning like most of those from that period... has anyone got the Hejira songbook to confirm this? However Marian from Vienna has made her own arrangements for guitar and is all on the jmdl website. For piano... hmmmm Much Joni Zoob - --- littlebreen@comcast.net wrote: > Oh yeah -- speaking of sheet music, my two attempts > to get Hejira sheet music on E-bay have not been > successful -- I guess I don't have the killer > instinct, or timing, to succeed on e-bay -- once I > got outbid about three minutes before the time was > up -- I'm *sure* it wasn't any of *us*... Anyway, > I'd love eventually to have the sheet music to > Hejira and DJRD, both of which I once had, but we > won't go there. If you have either of these books, > let's talk. I don't really care about the books per > se, just the sheet music, and maybe we can trade > something. > > best to all, > > Walt ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:10:05 EDT From: ROBMSTEEN@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #178 Re: Early Coyote Thanks muchly, Les! Yabba-dabba-dooronie!! Cornish Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:30:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: A Crow of a different color, or at least different arrangement - --- Jamie Zubairi wrote: > Hi Walt > > The sheet music to DJRD (the song anyway) is > included > on the 'Joni Mitchell Anthology' book but is in > standard tuning. I have never seen a DJRD songbook > but > I suspect that it will also be in standard tuning > like > most of those from that period... has anyone got the > Hejira songbook to confirm this? > > However Marian from Vienna has made her own > arrangements for guitar and is all on the jmdl > website. For piano... hmmmm The Hejira book is in standard tuning, but Walt is looking for piano. Even though there's no piano on Hejira, the album, there are both guitar chords and piano versions in most, if not all, of the Joni music books - the ones I've got anyway. I've found the piano parts for the Joni books generally better than the guitar parts, mainly because they guitar chords are in standard so they don't sound like Joni - but yet, in their own way, many of them are still quite good. The piano notation isn't exactly like Joni but it's close (to these ears) in many cases. I don't play piano that well, so you don't have to take my word for it. There's at least one piano transcript on the jmdl page. Without going & looking, I'm pretty sure it's "Blue" (the song.) I've never seen a DJRD book but I understand there was one. I haven't seen one on E-Bay but I'm trying to stay away from that place! I would also love to get my paws on on. The only published music books with any alt tunings are "For the roses" (not all songs, but a fair number); "Court and Spark" (only one in alt tuning); and then the more recent "Hits" and "Misses" books, which are written in tab (which I have trouble reading, but need to get used to.) The guitar tabs pages on the jmdl are far and away the best done and most comprehensive guitar pages I've seen anywhere in all my ramblings on the net looking for guitar chords. Any guitarist who wants to play like Joni needs to get over there. All the tuning and retuning will break many a string and drive you just a bit crazy, but the way the songs sound definitely makes up for that. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:10:31 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: a traitor is about to be honored, njc Anybody heard of this? Laurent > > > > > > > > > > A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the > > > > > "100 Women of the Century." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still > > > > > countless others have never known how Ms. > > > > > Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, > > > > > but specific men who served and sacrificed > > > > > during Vietnam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF > > > > > Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison > > > > > the "Hanoi Hilton." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, > > > > > cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was > > > > > ordered to describe for a visiting American > > > > > "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane > > > > > treatment" he'd received. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was > > > > > dragged away. > > > > > During the subsequent beating, he fell forward > > > > > on to the camp Commandant's feet, which > > > > > sent that officer berserk. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from > > > > > double vision (which permanently ended his > > > > > flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied > > > > > application of a wooden baton. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the > > > > > 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the > > > > > "Hanoi Hilton",,, the first three of which his > > > > > family only knew he was "missing in action". > > > > > His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. > > > > > His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and > > > > > clothed routine in preparation for a > > > > > "peace delegation" visit. > > > > > They, however, had time and devised a plan to > > > > > get word to the world that they were alive > > > > > and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny > > > > > piece of paper, with his Social Security Number > > > > > on it, in the palm of his hand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a > > > > > cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each > > > > > man's hand and asking little encouraging > > > > > snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed > > > > > babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane > > > > > treatment from your benevolent captors?" > > > > > Believing this HAD to be an act, they each > > > > > palmed her their sliver of paper. > > > > > She took them all without missing a beat. At the > > > > > end of the line and once the camera stopped > > > > > rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, > > > > > she turned to the officer in charge and handed > > > > > him all the little pieces of paper. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Three men died from the subsequent beatings. > > > > > Colonel Carrigan was almost number four > > > > > but he survived, which is the only reason we > > > > > know of her actions that day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was a civilian economic development advisor > > > > > in Vietnam, and was captured by the North > > > > > Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in > > > > > 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one > > > > > year in a cage in Cambodia; and one year > > > > > in a "black box" in Hanoi. > > > > > My North Vietnamese captors deliberately > > > > > poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a > > > > > nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South > > > > > Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the > > > > > Cambodian border. > > > > > At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. > > > > > (My normal weight is 170 lbs.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by > > > > > the camp communist political officer if I would > > > > > be willing to meet with her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real > > > > > treatment we POWs received... and how > > > > > different it was from the treatment purported by > > > > > the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as > > > > > "humane and lenient." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky > > > > > floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched > > > > > with a large steel weights placed on my hands, > > > > > and beaten with a bamboo cane. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda > > > > > soon after I was released. I asked her > > > > > if she would be willing to debate me on TV. > > > > > She never did answer me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These first-hand experiences do not exemplify > > > > > someone who should be honored as part > > > > > of "100 Years of Great Women." > > > > > Lest we forget..." 100 Years of Great Women" > > > > > should never include a traitor whose hands are > > > > > covered with the blood of so many patriots. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are few things I have strong visceral > > > > > reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in > > > > > blatant treason, is one of them. > > > > > Please take the time to forward to as many > > > > > people as you possibly can. > > > > > It will eventually end up on her computer and > > > > > she needs to know that we will never forget. > > > > > RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF > > > > > 716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of > > > > > Maintenance > > > > > DSN: 875-6431 > > > > > COMM: 883-6343 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:09:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: A traitor about to be honored - NJC Laurent Olszer said: > Anybody heard of this? > Laurent The Truth: This story hearkens to a real visit to North Vietnam by Jane Fonda in July of 1972, but the stories about betraying POWs is not true. The Fonda trip became unforgettable because it infuriated Americans, especially Americans in uniform, many of whom still regard her as a traitor. She praised the North Vietnamese, posed for a photo at a Communist anti-aircraft gun emplacement, made several radio broadcasts for the Communist North Vietnamese in which she called American military leaders "war criminals," then when some of the POWs returned home and described mistreatmet by the North Vietnamese, she said Americans should "...not hail the POWs as heroes, because they are hypocrites and liars." There is no dispute that her visit took place and that her words and actions were in support of the enemy. This particular email includes three stories, two of which have been denied by the POWs who are named, and one of which has been confirmed as true by the source, although he was not named in the email. First, the "100 Women of the Century" was a project of the Ladies Home Journal and a TV special hosted by Barbara Walters. Jane Fonda was one of the 100. How the email story about the POWs got started is not known, but it has been widely circulated. TruthOrFiction.com located Jerry Driscoll who said that the accounts about him in the email are "...the product of a very vivid imagination" and he requests that people please stop passing it on to others. TruthOrFiction.com also contacted Mike McGrath, President of NAM-POWs, who says the Larry Carrigan events never happened either. He says Carrigan calls the story a "hoax" and does not want to be associated with it. McGrath also says that some versions of the email include an account from a Dave Hoffman and that his story is true. Hoffman says he was tortured (hung by a broken arm) until he agreed to go before Jane Fonda. He was among a small group who witnessed one of her radio broadcasts for Hanoi. The part of the email that begins with "To Whom it may concern" is true. It's a quote from an article titled SHAME ON JANE originally published on the Advocacy And Intelligence Index website on April 28, 1999 and written by Michael Benge who was a civilian captured by the North Vietnamese in 1968. |In his statement, he also makes reference to a missionary nurse who died in captivity. For your interest, that was Betty Olsen, a Christian Missionary Alliance nurse from New York. In 1988 in an interview with Barbara Walters on 20/20, Jane Fonda talked about her Vietnam visit and issued what some feel was an apology but which her critics say was not enough. Fonda said, "I would like to say something, not just to Vietnam veterans in New England, but to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of the things that I said or did. I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I'm...very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to apologize to them and their families." In 2005, Fonda published her autobiography in which she described in detail her decision to go to North Vietnam. She said it was primarily motivated by her desire to document the U.S. bombing of important dikes that, if destroyed, could kill tens of thousands of people and devastate the lives of millions. The U.S. had denied the bombings. In the book, Fonda is unapologetic about the trip or her participation in broadcasts on radio Hanoi but regrets the pictures taken of her at the gun emplacement. She said it made it appear as though she was celebrating armaments aimed at American planes, which was not how she felt and was not the context in which the pictures were taken. She reminds readers that the U.S. investigated her trip and found no reason to bring any charges against her. She describes her longstanding support of, and interaction with, U.S. military personnel and says her only beef was with the U.S. government, not the troops. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:12:15 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: Lauren Posner, Martha Wainwright, Emmylou Harris NJC bonjour Michel go and see Lauren Posner, she's got a gorgeous voice, and sings many of her songs in Hebrew, quite beautifully. Note to anyone in the vicinity of the Winnipeg Folk Festival, in early July 7,8,9th, Martha Wainwright and Emmylou Harris will be there. As will Xavier Rudd, the digeridoo. wonder from downunduh. Quite the line up, and that's not even getting into the vast local talent..oh and the Be Good Tanyas will be there, as well as Cara Luft, a former member of the Wailin Jennys. (wish i could geaux ). Loreena McKennitt is performing at the Edmonton Folk Festival shortly thereafter. Loreena has not been doing much in the way of performance in public in years, so it will be quite the amazing time if anyone can get to 'there'. Mags npimh: the sound of Richard Flynn wondering about the Golden Boy in Winnipeg ;-) - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:54:45 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Christina Friis-Nielsen Good morning, all. Paz asked me to forward the following to the List. Many of you know Christina from the Northeast Jonifest and the duo from Denmark, Big Yellow Taxi. I've purposely eschewed the njc tag. I've been praying for our Christina and I would welcome joiners to the circle. I've been praying especially that no harm come to her voice, which is truly that of an angel. I'll ask Paz for Christina's email address and will post here later, should anyone want to send well-wishes. I bought a copy of Christina's latest demo when I was in New Orleans. It features her beautiful Danish soul renditions of "How Insensitive," "Fly Me to the Moon," My Funny Valentine" and "Lushlife." If you contact her, it might give her a lift if mentioned her work on it. Just a thought. - -Julius - ----- HI Julius- Please update the list with this message by forwarding it on to the list. I should be back up on my home account by tonight. I spoke with Sam Price (Christina?s husband) and found out that she has been diagnosed with Thyroid Cancer. While this sounds bad, he tells me that her prognosis is quite good. With proper (non invasive) treatment like surgery or chemo, she will have a 100% recovery. Because of our wonderful health system in the U.S. they thought it better for her to return to Denmark for treatment. Her visa has expired so he says she is not eligible to return to the U.S. for a couple of years. Jack and I have an immigration attorney that we asked to help them. I will let you know when I hear some more news. Love Paz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:08:32 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: njc what is wrong with this picture David wrote: > The Policy for a New American Century advocated regime change in Iraq back > in 2000, and earlier, and its signatories included Cheney, Rumsfeld, > Wolfowitz, and Jeb Bush. Ah, but it was so much more than just regime change in Iraq that these folks had in mind. And now we have Condoleezza Rice setting the stage for future invasions of additional Middle Eastern countries, under the guise of spreading Democracy. From today's Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/20/AR20050620004 68.html She pissed and moaned about all of the Middle East, to be sure, even including Egypt and Saudi Arabia, but then ... " Rice was much tougher on Iran and Syria, two countries often in disagreement with the United States, than she was on Egypt and Saudi Arabia, two longtime U.S. partners with virtually no history of representative government. She denounced the 'organized cruelty of Iran's theocratic state' and called on Syria 'to make the strategic choice to join the progress all around it.' " I ask again, are we sure the majority of the citizens of these countries even want democracy? Or do we simply know what's best for them? While we're at it, why not liberate all people who live under opppressive regimes? Didn't we used to worry about "Commies" all the time? Why aren't we worried about the Communists in North Korea? Aren't THOSE people oppressed? Or -- why can't the administration admit it -- isn't it truly just about the goddamned OIL? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:11:24 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: A traitor about to be honored - NJC Jesus H. Christ on a raft, I really thought I would be able to avoid this bullshit about Jane Fonda on THIS list, at least. Give it a rest, will ya? It's old news, most of it is hoax, and Jane has since become a born-again "Christian." Forgive, forget, and move on. Please. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:37:31 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Christina Friis-Nielsen (now njc) Christina will be in my thoughts, for certain. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:27:23 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: njc Downing Street Memos inauthentic Oddly, just as I was reading what everyone had to say on this subject, I got an email from Rep. John Conyers, Jr. (or his staff, anyway) about the very same thing. Very interesting. (I hope this comes through okay, html and all.) - Lori - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: lfye@cresapartners.com Date: Jun 21, 2005 1:21 PM Subject: Fw: UPDATE: Downing Street Minutes To: lrfye58@gmail.com - ----- Forwarded by Lori Fye/Washington/CRESA Partners on 06/21/2005 01:21 PM - ----- *"Congressman John Conyers, Jr." * 06/21/2005 01:20 PM Please respond to campaign@johnconyers.com *Source:** **Internet* To "lfye@cresapartners.com" cc Subject UPDATE: Downing Street Minutes Dear Friend: Thank you for signing the Downing Street Minutes letter to the president. *I personally delivered your letter to the White House last Thursday.* Your participation in this issue has made a difference. The mainstream media has been very slow to report on this British Intelligence document claiming that evidence was being "fixed" to support the lead up to war against Iraq. Yet, the neither the media nor President Bush could ignore the massive groundswell of interest demonstrated by the more than 560,000 individuals who joined you in signing this letter. On Thursday, I led a hearing about the Downing Street Minutes to receive testimony from former Ambassador Joe Wilson, 27-year CIA veteran Ray McGovern, constitutional lawyer John Bonifaz, and Cindy Sheehan, who lost her son in Iraq. Despite desperate attempts by Republicans to disrupt the proceedings, 32 Members of Congress attended this hearing. We were forced to use a cramped room in the basement of the Capitol little bigger than a closet, even though plenty of larger hearing rooms were available. The Republican Leadership also scheduled votes for nearly two straight hours in an unprecedented attempt to limit the ability of Democratic Members of Congress to participate in this hearing. Thanks to your help, and the more than 560,000 individuals who signed this letter, the mainstream media felt compelled to cover this event. The room was packed with television cameras and there was significant coverage in national newspapers and radio networks. After the hearing I hand delivered the list of signatures along with a letter to the president signed by 122 Members of Congress demanding answers, and led a rally outside the White House. We still have much more to do to make President Bush answer the questions raised by the Downing Street Minutes. Much work remains for us to bring this issue to the attention of all Americans. Visit my website at *http://johnconyers.com * to find out what additional steps we are taking and how you can help on this issue of vital constitutional importance. *Please forward this email to friends who want to sign the letter to the president and help get the truth out. * Sincerely, Congressman John Conyers, Jr. * Forward this Email to a Friend* * * * Video Highlights from the Hearing* * ** * *Conyers Letter to the President* *Downing Street Minutes* This email was sent to lfye@cresapartners.com. If you do not wish to receive future emails from John Conyers, *click here* . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:31:58 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Re: A Crow of a different color, or at least different arrangement Catherine said: <> Yeah, I actually had the book myself once-- the artwork was similar to the terra-cotta-and-blue themes of the album, with a few more pics of Joni being silly that did *not* appear on the album (if I remember correctly). Best of all in the book is a faithful reproduction of the entire piano part to Paprika Plains! best to all, Walt-- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me > > --- Jamie Zubairi wrote: > > > Hi Walt > > > > The sheet music to DJRD (the song anyway) is > > included > > on the 'Joni Mitchell Anthology' book but is in > > standard tuning. I have never seen a DJRD songbook > > but > > I suspect that it will also be in standard tuning > > like > > most of those from that period... has anyone got the > > Hejira songbook to confirm this? > > > > However Marian from Vienna has made her own > > arrangements for guitar and is all on the jmdl > > website. For piano... hmmmm > > The Hejira book is in standard tuning, but Walt is > looking for piano. Even though there's no piano on > Hejira, the album, there are both guitar chords and > piano versions in most, if not all, of the Joni music > books - the ones I've got anyway. > > I've found the piano parts for the Joni books > generally better than the guitar parts, mainly because > they guitar chords are in standard so they don't sound > like Joni - but yet, in their own way, many of them > are still quite good. The piano notation isn't exactly > like Joni but it's close (to these ears) in many > cases. I don't play piano that well, so you don't have > to take my word for it. > > There's at least one piano transcript on the jmdl > page. Without going & looking, I'm pretty sure it's > "Blue" (the song.) > > I've never seen a DJRD book but I understand there was > one. I haven't seen one on E-Bay but I'm trying to > stay away from that place! I would also love to get my > paws on on. > > The only published music books with any alt tunings > are "For the roses" (not all songs, but a fair > number); "Court and Spark" (only one in alt tuning); > and then the more recent "Hits" and "Misses" books, > which are written in tab (which I have trouble > reading, but need to get used to.) > > The guitar tabs pages on the jmdl are far and away the > best done and most comprehensive guitar pages I've > seen anywhere in all my ramblings on the net looking > for guitar chords. Any guitarist who wants to play > like Joni needs to get over there. All the tuning and > retuning will break many a string and drive you just a > bit crazy, but the way the songs sound definitely > makes up for that. > > Catherine > Toronto > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:00:30 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Wainwrights njc From: Smurf It's nice to hear that Loudon is actually a good father. Thanks, Richard. And as always, I appreciate the Wainwright fam updates. I am really loving Martha more and more. Glad you too are liking Martha. I am still enjoying her album. I'm going to see her in a couple of weeks. Then the next night i have been "landed" with going to see Elton John with my father, and, it turns out, Rufus is one of support acts (of course, this is the same night as Antony & The JOnsons, and i would have preferred to see that show.... i suspect that Rufus might make a surprise appearence at that gig after he opens for Elton) GARRET NP- Scissor Sisters, Rock My Spot - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:07:13 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Subject: NJC Martha, Lauren, Keren Ann & Lila alert From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: NJC Martha, Lauren, Keren Ann & Lila alert Just in case you needed more good reasons to come to Quebec. With July and festival time rolling around, just thought y'all would like to know that Lila Downs will be in town on the 8th, Lauren Posner on the 9th, Keren Ann shows up on the 14th, while Martha W rolls in on July 16th. Martha and Lila are not to be missed. Any strong recommendations for Posner or Keren Ann? Michael in Quebec I'm glad someone else on the list is singing the praises of Lila Downs. She is great. That really sounds like a nice string of concerts there. I hope you are soaking it all up. GARRET NP- Scissor Sisters, Step aside for the man - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:05:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: A traitor about to be honored - NJC Its HUGE on alot of the biker lists/message boards. Jane Fonda is considered the Anti-christ along with Hillary Clinton. Em - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Jesus H. Christ on a raft, I really thought I would be able to avoid > this > bullshit about Jane Fonda on THIS list, at least. > > Give it a rest, will ya? It's old news, most of it is hoax, and Jane > has > since become a born-again "Christian." Forgive, forget, and move on. > > Please. > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:21:20 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: A traitor about to be honored - NJC > Its HUGE on alot of the biker lists/message boards. > Jane Fonda is considered the Anti-christ along with Hillary Clinton. I'll bet! Be happy you're not a military veteran, Em ... I see that Fonda thing a whole bunch on military lists/boards. And it gets REALLY old. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:39:58 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: A traitor about to be honored - NJC This is not the first time Laurent has sent something like this to the list: a mixture of facts, half truths, distortions and outright lies. As you say, Lori, it's been doing the rounds for years (at least since 1999). Quite why Laurent felt it necessary to disinter it at this time is a mystery, or at least it would be if I gave a toss. Azeem in London NP: Lush - Kiss Chase - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lori Fye Sent: 21 June 2005 18:11 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: A traitor about to be honored - NJC Jesus H. Christ on a raft, I really thought I would be able to avoid this bullshit about Jane Fonda on THIS list, at least. Give it a rest, will ya? It's old news, most of it is hoax, and Jane has since become a born-again "Christian." Forgive, forget, and move on. Please. Lori - -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.9/23 - Release Date: 20/06/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:24:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: A traitor about to be honored - NJC Are these people caught in a time warp? Has anyone told them Paul McCartney is dead? They might not have had a good look at the Abbey Road cover. No shoes.... hmmmm. - --- Em wrote: > Its HUGE on alot of the biker lists/message boards. > Jane Fonda is considered the Anti-christ along with > Hillary Clinton. > Em > > --- Lori Fye wrote: > > > Jesus H. Christ on a raft, I really thought I > would be able to avoid > > this > > bullshit about Jane Fonda on THIS list, at least. > > > > Give it a rest, will ya? It's old news, most of it > is hoax, and Jane > > has > > since become a born-again "Christian." Forgive, > forget, and move on. > > > > Please. > > > > Lori > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:43:51 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC No man of Michael Jackson and find him ridiculous but there is the possibility that he hasn't done anything wrong with those children. mack np: luther-too far down ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:03:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: A traitor about to be honored - NJC Catherine! that was twisted thinking, kind of! I liked it! :) Em - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > Are these people caught in a time warp? > > Has anyone told them Paul McCartney is dead? They > might not have had a good look at the Abbey Road > cover. No shoes.... hmmmm. > > --- Em wrote: > > > Its HUGE on alot of the biker lists/message boards. > > Jane Fonda is considered the Anti-christ along with > > Hillary Clinton. > > Em > > > > --- Lori Fye wrote: > > > > > Jesus H. Christ on a raft, I really thought I > > would be able to avoid > > > this > > > bullshit about Jane Fonda on THIS list, at least. > > > > > > Give it a rest, will ya? It's old news, most of it > > is hoax, and Jane > > > has > > > since become a born-again "Christian." Forgive, > > forget, and move on. > > > > > > Please. > > > > > > Lori > > > > > Catherine > Toronto > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:43:02 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: A traitor about to be honored - NJC > Catherine! that was twisted thinking, kind of! > I liked it! > :) Her analyst told her That she was right out of her head ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:31:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: The Duchess of Coolsville - njc Boy, that's quite a piece of writing...thanks for sharing it, Mark. I'll read it again when I pick up my copy this week. Can't wait to hear the demos/rarities disc. Bob NP: Led Zep, "Achilles Last Stand" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:26:17 -0700 From: David Marine Subject: Re: njc what is wrong with this picture Hey list, and hello, Kakki! >> The Policy for a New American Century advocated regime change in Iraq >> back in 2000, and earlier, and its signatories included Cheney, >> Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Jeb Bush. > > Yes and so did the U.N. - at least in resolution and so did Clinton in > his Iraq Liberation Act signed in 1998. Have you ever read it? Here > is the link. > > http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi? > dbname=105_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ338.105 Of course you are right, Kakki. I should have said regime change by way of war. PNAC expressly advocated war withy Iraq. Certainly most everyone was in support of a deposed Saddam. But the issue is the perception that the President was predisposed to go to war with Iraq, and chose to interpret/utilize the extant intelligence to support this predisposition. > >> As for "pinning" this on the President, well.........what ever >> happened to "the buck stops here"? > > Depends. I can see where a president might say the buck stops here > if, for example, he was either well into his first term of office or > his second term and all the faulty intelligence gathered was done > under his administration. In this case, Bush was barely in office when > 9/11 hit and had not had much time to investigate the intel agencies > or peruse and analyze in depth the prevailing intel. He had to go > with what was available. Since what was available had been the > "common wisdom" all around so to speak for the previous 12 or so > years, it is understandable that some people might think it was safe > to follow. Why did the President "have to go" with what was available? The United States was not under attack by Saddam. There was no immediate threat, and there is no evidence to this day of any immediate threat. 9/11 had nothing to do with Saddam. I understand that the President truly believed that after 9/11 it was necessary for the US to show strength and resolve. But the "common wisdom" did not indicate that it was absolutely necessary to invade Iraq. Was an invasion in the best interest of the country? I have no doubt that the President believed it to be so. But I also believe that other factors came into play as Bush was formulating his plans for the Iraq invasion. Best regards, David ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #252 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)