From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #250 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, June 21 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 250 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- need to contact list member ["Marian Russell" ] PJ Harvey NJC ["mike pritchard" ] RE: PJ Harvey NJC [Joseph Palis ] RE: Emiliana Torrini - njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: PJ Harvey NJC [atel79@dsl.pipex.com] re: a dad day for Loudon - NJC [Richard Goldman ] Re: njc what is wrong with this picture ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Spoon of what? [Lori Fye ] Re: Checking In Checking out (NJC) ["Sherelle Smith" ] re: a dad day for Loudon - NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: njc what is wrong with this picture [Lori Fye ] re: a dad day for Loudon - NJC [Em ] Re: Early Coyote -- What a find!!! [Lori Fye ] Re: NJC what's wrong [Lori Fye ] Synchronicity. It's everywhere. NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Early Coyote -- What a find!!! [Brian Gross ] Re: Michael Jackson, NJC ["John T. Folden" ] The Duchess of Coolsville - njc ["Mark Scott" ] A Crow of a different color, or at least different arrangement [littlebre] Re: Michael Jackson, NJC [Em ] Re: Michael Jackson, NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] NJC Martha, Lauren, Keren Ann & Lila alert ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: njc what is wrong with this picture ["Kakki" ] Re: njc Downing Street Memos inauthentic ["Kakki" ] RE: NJC Martha, Lauren, Keren Ann & Lila alert [Joseph Palis ] Re: njc Downing Street Memos inauthentic ["Kakki" ] Re: njc what is wrong with this picture ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 02:42:33 -0400 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: need to contact list member Does anyone know how to contact Kate Tarasenko? Or, Kate, are you still here? I need Kate's email address! Thanks a lot! Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:01:48 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: PJ Harvey NJC Hi all PJ Harvey fans, The local music supermarket here is selling 4 PJH CDs for less than 8 euros each. I bought 'stories from the city...' but any recommendations about order of buying the others? I think Azeem talked about this once but any more advice would be welcome. Cheers, mike in bcn np Tom Waits Real Gone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:33:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE: PJ Harvey NJC I like "To Bring You My Love" best of all and I think you'll dig it too, Mike. The one album of hers that I can't get into is "Rid of Me" but that's just probably me because it was rated highly in either allmusic.com or amazon. However, the 4-track demos that came out the same year as "Rid of Me" fares much better. "Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea" has a certain intimacy that encroaches its way to you (or maybe just me) that is intoxicating from each successive listens. Joseph in Apple Chill np: Miles Davis - "Gone, Gone, Gone" (Porgy and Bess) mike pritchard a icrit : Hi all PJ Harvey fans, The local music supermarket here is selling 4 PJH CDs for less than 8 euros each. I bought 'stories from the city...' but any recommendations about order of buying the others? I think Azeem talked about this once but any more advice would be welcome. Cheers, mike in bcn np Tom Waits Real Gone - --------------------------------- Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Tilichargez le ici ! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:21:41 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Emiliana Torrini - njc Yes...she's mighty good! I think we will hear a lot more from her in the future. Have you seen her Sunny Road video? Besides being a catchy tune... the video is so sweet and charming. I love the animation. Bree... making shortcake shortly for the mounds of strawberries we picked yesterday. (and whip cream from the little half pint) NP: Heart's greatest hits. >Has anyone heard the fascinating singer Emiliana Torrini? She's got a new >album out called "Fisherman's Woman" that I find quite unique and >mesmerizing. Very sparse and moody. I'd be interested in the thoughts of >others who've heard her. > >Thanks, >Les > > >http://TheMusicStartsHere.com >Musician's registry and more ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:59:39 +0100 From: atel79@dsl.pipex.com Subject: RE: PJ Harvey NJC Quoting Joseph Palis : > I like "To Bring You My Love" best of all and I think you'll dig it too, > Mike. The one album of hers that I can't get into is "Rid of Me" but that's > just probably me because it was rated highly in either allmusic.com or > amazon. However, the 4-track demos that came out the same year as "Rid of Me" > fares much better. "Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea" has a > certain intimacy that encroaches its way to you (or maybe just me) that is > intoxicating from each successive listens. I'm not sure whether you wanted further advice from me, Mike, but I'd back up what Joseph said: To Bring You My Love is superb, and is a mixture of highly accessible songs and some songs that are idiosyncratic, to say the least. I'd recommend her debut, Dry, then Is This Desire?, then Huh Huh Hur (or whatever it's called!) - Rid Of Me is heavy going, and the 4 track demos are for fans only. Cheers, Azeem in (hot and sweaty) London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:00:03 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: re: a dad day for Loudon - NJC While nothing DID happen in the Wainwright family, stuff HAS been happening. Rufus performed last Wednesday evening, in Atlanta, solo, at the Atlanta Botanical Gardens, and by all reports, it was grand. Here are a few wee bits from some fan's reports on "Dinner At Eight" from the show: "He then played his family trio: *Beauty Mark* , about his mom; *Little Sister* , about his sister Martha, and he plugged her new CD, and *Dinner at Eight * for his Dad. It was very touching when he said that his father was a really great dad, a hell of a guy and he loved him very much. I thought he was going to choke up there, but he didn't. He kept almost having to sneeze, and he said that some plant must have let off a "mysterious spew"; that was making him want to sneeze." and " By the way, with all the press lately surrounding Loudon Wainwright III's new release as well as the McGarrigles and Martha Wainwright, there have been plenty of articles trying to find juicy details in the supposed "animosity" between Rufus and Martha and their father, and it was really refreshing and even touching to hear what Rufus had to say about his dad last night saying he's a "great dad" and he loves him. " and "As for the concert - there's not a whole lot left to say - but I did find it incredibly sweet that Rufus had such nice things to say about his dad - it came as a bit of a shock because most of his comments are so light-hearted and campy - but for that one moment he got so serious and so sincere. It was such a beautiful part of the setlist - this is my fourth time seeing him and I think he's played Dinner at 8 at all four shows... but this one seemed even more passionate than usual - with Father's Day coming up I thought maybe he had had Loudon on his mind." ~Richard (in San Francisco) > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 06:51:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: Smurf > Subject: Re: a sad day for Loudon -- njc > > Sorry if my attempt at humor caused confusion. NOTHING > happened in the Wainwright family. This is just a > Father's Day joke. "Dinner at Eight" by Rufus and > "Bloody Motherf***ing A**hole" by Martha are scathing > songs each wrote for their father, Loudon. > > Oh, well. Maybe Brad McMath laughed. > > - --Smurf > > > > - --- Smurf wrote: > > > It's Father's Day! > > > > And though it may be a sad day in the Wainwright > > family, I hope it's a happy one for yours. > > > > --Smurf > > > > NPIMH: "Dinner at Eight" by Rufus and "Bloody > > Motherf***ing A**hole" by Martha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:20:34 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: njc what is wrong with this picture Hi all, I am reading with great interest the differing opinions and I have to say that I respect everyone's opinion and regard them as heartfelt and sincere. That is the beauty of debate. It gives a chance for those on the sidelines to get good information on a particular topic or subject and make informed decisions. It broadens horizons. For those of us on the sidelines reading (and listening) I beg you to consider this fact: we value your opinion no matter what your stance is and we are reading (and listening to) what you are saying. I also beg for cooler heads to prevail. Everyone's opinion is valued here. Each of you give us something to think about so stay cool and state your beliefs. It's all right to do. Love, Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:19:21 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Iraq, njc > We had a plan for war but no plan for peace. Which is more important? Whichever lets me drive my Hummer for cheap, man. Lori, with tongue in cheek ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:26:49 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Spoon of what? My vote is for cocaine, too. I can't envision tilting someone's tired face to a spoon of cooked heroin. However, a McDonald's spoon (yes, I remember that) of coke? Yep. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:39:11 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Checking In Checking out (NJC) Hi Paz, I am so sorry that your brother has been put back in the hospital with pneumonnia! You know my prayers are with you and your family. Also, your dad must be in a lot of pain. My dear Paz, you are so special and your heart is being stretched to its limits I know. I'm so sorry that you are going through so much with family being sick. I'm also so sorry that I missed the story on Christina. I would love to know more about her situation. I'm so sorry she has been deported. Take care Paz and I will be thinking of you! Love, Sherelle Paz wrote: Hello All I am just checking in to say that I will be checking out for a few days (not that anyone will miss me cause I have been cloaked for a while). Anyways the progress on construction at my house is ongoing and we are still living like gypsies roaming from place to place. We have to move out of this apt. we are in and into another and we will not have internet, phone or cable for a few days. In the mean time I am available by cell and my work email if you need me (michael@pyramidaudio.net). My brother has been put back in the hospital in Detroit with pneumonia and the cancer has spread all over. He is very grouchy and uncomfortable. Please pray for the Lord to go easy on him. My dad is recovering from breaking his vertebrae and is also in pretty bad shape at the moment. In other news I heard a very disturbing report from Jack yesterday that Christina has been deported back to Denmark. We were all suppose to play a peace rally organized by Brian Stoltz yesterday and that is when Jack found out. Sam Price was not able to be there either because one of the percussion players in his band died a couple days ago and they buried him yesterday. I have no other details about Christina but when I do I will pass them on to someone like Julius to pass on to you guys. Hop everyone is well and my thoughts and prayers are with you during these troubled times we are in. Best Paz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:41:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: re: a dad day for Loudon - NJC It's nice to hear that Loudon is actually a good father. Thanks, Richard. And as always, I appreciate the Wainwright fam updates. I am really loving Martha more and more. - --Smurf Richard Goldman wrote: While nothing DID happen in the Wainwright family, stuff HAS been happening. Rufus performed last Wednesday evening, in Atlanta, solo, at the Atlanta Botanical Gardens, and by all reports, it was grand. Here are a few wee bits from some fan's reports on "Dinner At Eight" from the show: "He then played his family trio: *Beauty Mark* , about his mom; *Little Sister* , about his sister Martha, and he plugged her new CD, and *Dinner at Eight * for his Dad. It was very touching when he said that his father was a really great dad, a hell of a guy and he loved him very much. I thought he was going to choke up there, but he didn't. He kept almost having to sneeze, and he said that some plant must have let off a "mysterious spew"; that was making him want to sneeze." and " By the way, with all the press lately surrounding Loudon Wainwright III's new release as well as the McGarrigles and Martha Wainwright, there have been plenty of articles trying to find juicy details in the supposed "animosity" between Rufus and Martha and their father, and it was really refreshing and even touching to hear what Rufus had to say about his dad last night saying he's a "great dad" and he loves him. " and "As for the concert - there's not a whole lot left to say - but I did find it incredibly sweet that Rufus had such nice things to say about his dad - it came as a bit of a shock because most of his comments are so light-hearted and campy - but for that one moment he got so serious and so sincere. It was such a beautiful part of the setlist - this is my fourth time seeing him and I think he's played Dinner at 8 at all four shows... but this one seemed even more passionate than usual - with Father's Day coming up I thought maybe he had had Loudon on his mind." ~Richard (in San Francisco) > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 06:51:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: Smurf > Subject: Re: a sad day for Loudon -- njc > > Sorry if my attempt at humor caused confusion. NOTHING > happened in the Wainwright family. This is just a > Father's Day joke. "Dinner at Eight" by Rufus and > "Bloody Motherf***ing A**hole" by Martha are scathing > songs each wrote for their father, Loudon. > > Oh, well. Maybe Brad McMath laughed. > > - --Smurf > > > > - --- Smurf wrote: > > > It's Father's Day! > > > > And though it may be a sad day in the Wainwright > > family, I hope it's a happy one for yours. > > > > --Smurf > > > > NPIMH: "Dinner at Eight" by Rufus and "Bloody > > Motherf***ing A**hole" by Martha "The best music is essentially there to provide you something to face the world with." --Bruce Springsteen - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:16:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: re: a dad day for Loudon - NJC - --- Richard Goldman wrote: > While nothing DID happen in the Wainwright family, > stuff HAS been happening. > Rufus performed last Wednesday evening, in Atlanta, > solo, at the Atlanta > Botanical Gardens, and by all reports, it was grand. > Here are a few wee bits from some fan's reports on > "Dinner At Eight" from > the show: > > "He then played his family trio: *Beauty Mark* , > about his mom; *Little > Sister* , about his sister Martha, and he plugged > her new CD, and *Dinner at > Eight * for his Dad. It was very touching when he > said that his father was a > really great dad, a hell of a guy and he loved him > very much. [...] > and > > > " By the way, with all the press lately surrounding > Loudon Wainwright III's > new release as well as the McGarrigles and Martha > Wainwright, there have > been plenty of articles trying to find juicy details > in the supposed > "animosity" between Rufus and Martha and their > father, and it was really > refreshing and even touching to hear what Rufus had > to say about his dad > last night saying he's a "great dad" and he loves > him. > " I know there are those who hate Rufus and those who love him and I'm one of those who loves him. And I just bought Martha's CD, have only listened to it once, but I like what I hear. As a parent of kids of today, I can tell you, they don't repress their feelings about you the way some of us did in the good old days. The other night my daughter was nagging me to do something for her, but I was insisting that she do it herself. She is 18 but sometimes behaves like such a baby, that I thought it would be good for her to do this on her own - it was all about making a relatively simple phone call, which she didn't want to make, because she sounds like a little kid on the phone and was tired of people asking to speak to her mummy. I kept insisting that she make the call herself and joking that maybe she should use the "big girl voice" or that she call, pretending she was a man, or something. She wasn't going for that and was nagging and bugging me and in tears about it, and at one point, I saw that she had written on a piece of paper, "I hate you, bitch!" and I knew that it was meant for me. Let me tell you - it hurt like hell! and yet, I know that they mean these things AT THE TIME, because they're hurting too, but they don't mean it ALL the time. If a kid can write a song, or a poem, or an "I hate you, bitch" (in nicely written letters, I might add) to say how they feel about things, it's better, IMO, than repressing it and then blowing up about it all day, or writing a "Mummy dearest" book. The Wainwright-McGarrigle clan does get together musically a lot, in recordings and live, and it strikes me that they have their hard times like any family but that they really are close in spite of all that. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:41:25 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: njc what is wrong with this picture > Each of you give us something to think about so stay cool and state your beliefs. Or, as Joni would sing, "Be cool ..." ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:49:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: re: a dad day for Loudon - NJC - --- Richard Goldman wrote: > and > *Dinner at > Eight * for his Dad. It was very touching when he said that his > father was a > really great dad, a hell of a guy and he loved him very much. I > thought he > was going to choke up there, but he didn't. I'm glad to hear this too. While old Loudon may (or may not) have his asshole moments, I've always detected a real sense of sadness in many of his songs ( a sadness that I could relate to, for some reason), and if he can have some kind of harmony with his kids, maybe that will take some sadness up off all of them. Wishing that for them, and for everyone. Em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:50:52 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Early Coyote -- What a find!!! Worked for me. Am listening now. How cool ... Thanks for the url! (Shall I email you the file, Kate?) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:55:53 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: NJC what's wrong Gene wrote: > we, the usa started the tech revolution, why can't we take it to another step? > alternative energy.get all these frigging cars off the road. do we need all > these gadgets in the house?----------- is there sacrifice? is there going to > be pain? is there going to be discomfort? is the transition going to be the > "pits?" > hell yes!!!!!!!! but what choice do we have? Excellent points, Gene. I think the problem is that we've become so addicted to immediate gratification that we have a difficult time waiting for alternative energies to be developed and put to use. It's damn sad. And we're going to pay for that lack of vision sooner than later, I'm afraid. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:47:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Synchronicity. It's everywhere. NJC weird. I just bought Lhasa da Sela's most recent CD, "The Living Road" because I enjoyed "La llorona" and this chick has waited over years before putting out a second album. In her new CD, she sings in English, Spanish and French. When she sings in English, she sounds as if she has an accent that could be either Spanish or French, which I thought odd because her I remembered her mother being American and figured she would speak perfect English. Decided to look her up, because I remembered reading that her Dad was Mexican and her mother American. I did a google search on her name and the first hit that came up says she was "born in Big Indian, a tiny village in the Catskill Mountains..." - which also happens to be where the Full Moon is, where Jonifests were held for the last few years. How many people are BORN in Big Indian, NY? There are probably ten people in the whole place. OK, maybe a few more. It's hard to tell where the village really is! The second hit is the message board at the website of Nada Surf, which someone mentioned here a week or so ago re: an mp3 you could download called "Blonde on blonde" (not the Dylan song, but a song about listening to the Dylan song). How's that for weird synchronicity that has nothing to do with Joni but has links to the people on this list? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:06:43 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Early Coyote -- What a find!!! On 6/19/05, Kate Bennett wrote: > > I am not able to download this...anyone else having problems? Solutions? The download expires after 7 days. I'm out of town or I'd re-upload it for you. Anyone have the file on their computer still? If so, upload it again to YouSendIt.com and provide the list with the link. Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:06:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Early Coyote -- What a find!!! Here it is again gang! http://s46.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0PJJSYSLVA3OZ38GJOQ3W48G50 > Kate Bennett wrote: > > I am not able to download this...anyone else having problems? Solutions? - --- Les wrote: > The download expires after 7 days. I'm out of town or I'd re-upload it for > you. Anyone have the file on their computer still? If so, upload it again to > YouSendIt.com and provide the list with the link. Take care everyone, Brian Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:18:09 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC Kate wrote: Among the community here where MJ lives it is commonly believed that he is a child molester. Hi Kate! Are you sure this isn't just gossip in a fairly small town? There was a lot of that here in Little Rock, everything imaginable, about Bill and Hillary Clinton before and during his presidency. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:46:41 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC Sure there is always some gossip in any town although our town is not that small anymore... my information is based on people who have been close to the previous case including some professionals... i don't mind if you disregard that since i can't prove anything... but surely you must give some consideration to those jurors who believe he has probably molested children- why not conider their opinion as somewhat valid if you believe they made the right choice in a not guilty verdict?... I think it is important to separate the man's talents from the man's illness... laura > Are you sure this isn't just gossip in a fairly small town? < ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:42:34 -0400 From: "John T. Folden" Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC On Jun 20, 2005, at 6:18 PM, LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Are you sure this isn't just gossip in a fairly small town? There > was a lot > of that here in Little Rock, everything imaginable, about Bill and > Hillary > Clinton before and during his presidency. It sure sounds like that, doesn't it? People love to gossip, especially about celebrities. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:45:54 -0400 From: "John T. Folden" Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC On Jun 20, 2005, at 6:46 PM, kate@katebennett.com wrote: > disregard that since i can't prove anything... but surely you must > give > some consideration to those jurors who believe he has probably > molested > children- why not conider their opinion as somewhat valid if you > believe > they made the right choice in a not guilty verdict?... I think it is > important to separate the man's talents from the man The thing is we don't know the man. We, also, don't know the jurors and while I hope they made the right choice I don't really feel compelled to believe something they might say about a previous case they really had nothing to do with nor that they are experts in. They're just people like you and me. That's not to say that MJ isn't, but let's see some proof - seriously. No one seems to have any. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:57:32 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: The Duchess of Coolsville - njc Rickie Lee Jones' three disk anthology on Rhino Records arrived in the mail today. I just have to share this. It is what Rickie wrote in the liner notes. I'm going to preserve the form as it looks and reads like a poem: A song is an ever-evolving entitiy. It is not stagnant; it is alive and moving. Like a tree. Or the layered ground. You can cut it off from its time But it does not die. I've included one song here to illustrate This growing and reshaping of an idea of sound, How it adjusts to new information, How it remains intact, like a thing made--a church, a bridge. "Atlas' Marker," which even then had a second title for itself, An indication that it would be revealing itself as Life went on. "The Aviator," in early demos as I feel it out, And then later, performances, as the song and I know each other And then rediscover constantly what we are capable of. Now the song Is light and breezy and the gut-wrenching pain of its early plea Is healed. It is a living thing, A captured spirit. We songwriters who perform Know this about our work That when we step into the ring Of performance And face our music--history-- Demons--living emotion-- Having captured time in a series of tones and sounds Use our voices and our emotional makeup To conduct the energy of the thousand or so histories that have Paid money to sit, for a few hours of their lives, And listen to our music. We know the song meets us there, Greets us, and we are its guest. If we are good at what we do, We are still, eyes roll back, voice is commanded By the diction and holiness of the ritual And the mystical deliverance that human voice seems to engage, From time to time Onstage Or not (it does not matter) I cannot listen to my music without weeping. It is not only the profound Sorrow and joy Of the song itself, or my gratitude for having lived this long, come this Far That I can actually look back over my shoulder and so much beautiful tread, And bittersweet, so joyful, So hurt, we WERE a place--but we did not know. We are always in motion, And so are all things we create, and all that has created us. Here are songs about imaginary windows, streets, and the spirits Kids who came out when the son goes down And run through the alleys I have tamed And draw me into the soft violet of Twilight, laughing, younger than we ever were, In the evening of my best day . . . Here are my pirates and aviators, thrown against the desert ceiling Unbearable beauty Seen through a child's eyes Perched above and floating by some odd grace Above the abyss of many seas In terrible and solitary battle With the map that leads back to me --RICKIE LEE JONES ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:17:21 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: A Crow of a different color, or at least different arrangement Hi, all, I think I mentioned that I was expecting some more sheet music in the mail, and it came today -- and yes, the arrangement of "Black Crow" in the sheet music to Diana Krall's "Girl in the Other Room" album is *very* different from the original, which of course wasn't arranged for piano at all. In fact *all* of the songs in the book are lovingly arranged in great detail, but I got the book mostly for "Crow", "I'm Coming Through" and "Departure Bay". I should mention that Ms. Krall is a very fine pianner player, and the two people (Joe Stilgoe and Evan Joly, god bless'em) who arranged this music caught pretty much every note she plays on the album -- which, for example, makes most of it too difficult for *me* to play, really -- but I like a challenge, and I like following the music in written form as I listen to it. DK's Crow is in Db (I don't have the original Hejira arrangment to Crow, so I'm not sure, but I don't think it was in Db -- E or Eb, mayve? -- anyway, Db is one o' them keys which makes you use a lot of the black keys, for those to whom this is Greek) and there are such arcana as doubly flatted notes, etc. And this is one of the easier arrangements in the book. (The arrangment to "Love Me Like a Man", a song I've never liked, so sue me, is 16 pages long and has such delights as quintuplets subdivided into triplets, etc.) Anyhoo, anyone who'd like a "Krallian" arrangment of Black Crow (if you haven't heard it, it's gorgeous: starts out more or less a Bossa Nova that gets more Salsa-esque as it goes on), and don't wanna buy the whole book, just let me know, and I'll be glad to send it on. And once again, to the people to whom I *already* owe sheet music and chocolate -- hang in there -- Robert is again back on his feet, sort of -- I'm hoping for a whole week of no panicked rushes to the ER -- and I'm gettin' in the mood to attack my pile of things to do. Oh yeah -- speaking of sheet music, my two attempts to get Hejira sheet music on E-bay have not been successful -- I guess I don't have the killer instinct, or timing, to succeed on e-bay -- once I got outbid about three minutes before the time was up -- I'm *sure* it wasn't any of *us*... Anyway, I'd love eventually to have the sheet music to Hejira and DJRD, both of which I once had, but we won't go there. If you have either of these books, let's talk. I don't really care about the books per se, just the sheet music, and maybe we can trade something. best to all, Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:26:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC - --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: \> Are you sure this isn't just gossip in a fairly small town? Like a Boo Radley figure, huh? Em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:49:07 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC In a message dated 6/20/2005 8:34:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, emzdogz@yahoo.com writes: > Like a Boo Radley figure, huh? > Em > You couldn't have said it better Em! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:55:13 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: NJC Martha, Lauren, Keren Ann & Lila alert Just in case you needed more good reasons to come to Quebec. With July and festival time rolling around, just thought y'all would like to know that Lila Downs will be in town on the 8th, Lauren Posner on the 9th, Keren Ann shows up on the 14th, while Martha W rolls in on July 16th. Martha and Lila are not to be missed. Any strong recommendations for Posner or Keren Ann? Michael in Quebec NP: Sabrina Malheiros - Equilibra _________________________________________________________________ MSN. Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:26:14 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC In a message dated 6/20/2005 5:46:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: but surely you must give some consideration to those jurors who believe he has probably molested children Hi Kate, I'll give them consideration like the rest of the people who are saying "probably" in their opinions. The fact that they are jurors isn't good reason for me to think they know with any more certainty than anybody else. I think it is apples and oranges for a person to give their opinion in one situation and to make a verdict in another. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:30:43 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC In a message dated 6/20/2005 5:46:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: I think it is important to separate the man's talents from the man's illness... Hi Kate, The difference between you and I here is I don't presume "the man" has an "illness." I simply don't know. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:34:22 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC John wrote: The thing is we don't know the man. We, also, don't know the jurors and while I hope they made the right choice I don't really feel compelled to believe something they might say about a previous case they really had nothing to do with nor that they are experts in. They're just people like you and me. That's not to say that MJ isn't, but let's see some proof - seriously. No one seems to have any. Hi John, I agree and just said something very similar in my post to Kate about this. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:39:29 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, NJC In a message dated 6/20/2005 7:26:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, emzdogz@yahoo.com writes: Like a Boo Radley figure, huh? Hi Em, LOL... Maybe Michael's next album will be titled: To Kill a Mockingbird, or maybe he will call it: Tequila Mockingbird just for me since I seem to be so blinded by his talent. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:31:18 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: njc what is wrong with this picture Vince wrote: > oh come one, give me a break. It is very possible to have a different > view than the Bush one and it has nothinbg to do with "poayvack" but that > is a tremendous way for to you to be dismissive of other viewpoints, to > categorize everything so. No way. I'm not the one who brings up Clinton's impeachment for what some thought was nothing every time there is criticism of Bush thrown about. If people always throw Clinton into the mix then it does seem to indicate resentment and sort of payback. > And I incredibly resent your once again saying that those who disagree > with you are want to throw our country into chaos. I really resent that > anyone who disagrees with you and Bush is equated once again by you to > being a danger to our country and your use of such close analogies to > treason. Try to follow the context Vince and not always be so ripe and ready to attack. We were talking about people who want to impeach Bush. That would cause chaos no matter how righteous a cause you think it may be. Economic, social and otherwise. > I take the long view Kakki unlike those (*cough*cough*) who take the short > view, and I pray that someday you will post on something political without > your usual Kakki-is-on-the-only-wise-and-truth-side while everyone who > disagrees with Kakki > does-not-take-terrorism-as-a-threat-and-wants-to-throw-our-country-into-chaos-and-make- > our-enemies-ecstatic side. Snip, snip, snipe snipe snipe. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:37:10 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: njc what is wrong with this picture >>>I say to those who want to throw our country into further chaos and make >>>our >>>enemies ecstatic - go ahead - >>> > That is the comment that I responded to that somehow I offended by saying > that this offensive statement is offensive but yet type of attack is just > fine? > > Just unreal. So Vince, you do not think our enemies would rejoice in any kind of internal division among us and bringing down a president who took them on? That is just common sense. And you call me the attacker? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:48:07 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: njc Downing Street Memos inauthentic By now some of you may have heard the disclosure over the weekend that the reporter who first disclosed the Downing Street memos has admitted the following: "The eight memos - all labeled "secret" or "confidential" - were first obtained by British reporter Michael Smith, who has written about them in The Daily Telegraph and The Sunday Times. Smith told AP he protected the identity of the source he had obtained the documents from by typing copies of them on plain paper and destroying the originals." This exactly proves my original point and frustration. When I wrote the other night I was tempted to posit that the Downing Street memos may well be forgeries like the forged ANG memos that Dan Rather for all we know. I could hardly believe it when I read the above today. Come on - if he had the authentic original documents he could have photocopied them at least. "Typing copies of them" and "destroying the originals." This makes them inauthentic until proven otherwise. Maybe this is why the media was laying a little low on the story. Maybe they knew the proof was suspect or non-existent or non-verifiable and didn't want to be the next Dan Rather. Maybe the push to see it covered more in the press prompted Smith's admission because this was all he had. This is the insanity that continues to drive me nuts. And all the passion and venting of spleen in the meantime - for what? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:31:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE: NJC Martha, Lauren, Keren Ann & Lila alert Yes yes yes for Keren Ann. She was touted as the French Joni Mitchell and she writes her own songs (a big plus for me!). I don't have her two earlier CDs that are released in France and are in French but I have her US debut CD on Bluenote Records called "Not Going Anywhere" where she sings in a very soft way (not soft as in volume but soft as in musical attitude). The first thing that came to mind is Vienna Teng's debut album which, like Keren Ann's "Not Going Anywhere" has spare intsrumentation and sparse arrangements. It can get soporific for anyone who are not into this type of music but it can be heady stuff for others who like dead-slow beats with very special lyrics that alternate from postmodern apathy to bright-eyed incantations of things we don't talk about but feel and experience rather than verbally expressed. Like a Gallic version of Stina Nordenstam minus the elfin sound Stina prefers. Based on my highly subjective opinion, you may want to start with Keren Ann's "Not Going Anywhere" rather than her latest "Nolita" although the latter ups the ante in terms of beats and some electronica which complements her voice. Keren Ann was recently in KCRW to promote her latest album. Interestingly, you may want to investigate Hem, Innocence Mission and Over the Rhine as worthy bands -- that is if you havent yet. Joseph in CH Michael O'Malley a icrit : Any strong recommendations for Posner or Keren Ann? - --------------------------------- Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Tilichargez le ici ! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:33:12 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: njc Downing Street Memos inauthentic If they were not real, Blair, for one, would have said so, since they came out 3 days before elections in Britain, and caused an uproar and made a big difference in the election This is an example of doing damage control to create doubt in the public's mind by telling only part of the story, and implying conclusions. Reporter Smith: "I was given very strict orders from the lawyers as to how to handle them." The reason Smith typed them out, as he explained, was to protect both his source, and himself. Marks on the originals might have identified the source, and possessing them, since they were government property, was against the law, and he would have been subject to a police raid. http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Backstory_Confirming_the_Downing_Street_0614.html More importantly than the reporter's word is the fact that no one in the British government, as far as I have been able to find, has renounced them. TONY BLAIR: ":They take bits out here of this memo or that memo, or something someone's supposed to have said at the time, and what people ignore is we went through a very open, obvious process through the United Nations ..." Britain's gov't WMD commission has referred to them and accepted their authenticity, as has British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw (who is quoted in them). US news agencies are now reporting on them as factual- radical lefty rags like http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-06-18-downing-street-memos_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA "The documents confirm Blair was genuinely concerned about Saddam's alleged weapons of mass destruction, but also indicate he was determined to go to war as America's top ally, even though his government thought a pre-emptive attack may be illegal under international law." Karl Rove is betting that if he can raise enough doubt in the public's mind, they will be dismissed. It worked in the Kerry character assassination, it has worked so many times before. Maybe this time, things are spinning out of the Spinmeister's control. RR Kakki wrote: > By now some of you may have heard the disclosure over the weekend that the > reporter who first disclosed the Downing Street memos has admitted the > following: > > "The eight memos - all labeled "secret" or "confidential" - were first > obtained by British reporter Michael Smith, who has written about them in > The Daily Telegraph and The Sunday Times. > Smith told AP he protected the identity of the source he had obtained the > documents from by typing copies of them on plain paper and destroying the > originals." > > This exactly proves my original point and frustration. When I wrote the > other night I was tempted to posit that the Downing Street memos may well be > forgeries like the forged ANG memos that Dan Rather for all we know. I > could hardly believe it when I read the above today. Come on - if he had > the authentic original documents he could have photocopied them at least. > "Typing copies of them" and "destroying the originals." This makes them > inauthentic until proven otherwise. Maybe this is why the media was laying > a little low on the story. Maybe they knew the proof was suspect or > non-existent or non-verifiable and didn't want to be the next Dan Rather. > Maybe the push to see it covered more in the press prompted Smith's > admission because this was all he had. > > This is the insanity that continues to drive me nuts. And all the passion > and venting of spleen in the meantime - for what? > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:50:00 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: njc Downing Street Memos inauthentic > This is the insanity that continues to drive me nuts. And all the passion > and venting of spleen in the meantime - for what? > > Kakki I vowed not to reply to Kakki's political posts, but I've had a few drinks & can't resist. The idea that it would be a social and economic disaster to impeach a President for getting us into an illegitimate war from which we cannot now extricate ourselves, and to accuse those who propose such a thing as traitors or insane or venting their spleen, when her Republican ilk vented their collective spleen left and right (mostly right--far right) over some sexual peccadillos of our previous President boggles the mind. Richard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:47:36 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: njc Downing Street Memos inauthentic Hi Randy, > If they were not real, Blair, for one, would have said so, since they > came out 3 days before elections in Britain, and caused an uproar and > made a big difference in the election Maybe he didn't know one way or the other at that point. They could be real but inaccurate or fake but accurate. As I understand it the memos were not written by Blair or Bush directly - they are someone elses's account of something third hand aren't they? > This is an example of doing damage control to create doubt in the > public's mind by telling only part of the story, and implying conclusions. > Reporter Smith: "I was given very strict orders from the lawyers > as to how to handle them." > The reason Smith typed them out, as he explained, was to > protect both his source, and himself. Marks on the originals might > have identified the source, and possessing them, since they were > government property, was against the law, and he would have been > subject to a police raid. > http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Backstory_Confirming_the_Downing_Street_0614.html I've read this and a few other blogs on the story, too. Here's another side of the logic - he could have blacked out or redacted whatever information may have revealed the source while keeping the original facsimile or photocopy intact (thereby helping to prove it was an authentic British system classified document). Isn't the fact that he is now admitting to not only possessing but also destroying original government classified documents also going to subject him to possible prosecution under British law? I just cannot imagine any lawyer giving advice to type out a document from an original, destroy the original and then represent the typed document is authentic. That goes so against what lawyers are trained regarding authenticating documents and evidence. Also, I can't see a lawyer ever advising replicating a government document. Smith could be additionally prosecuted for misrepresenting or altering the contents of an official government document. If anything, the lawyer would have advised prudent redaction. > More importantly than the reporter's word is the fact that no one in > the British government, as far as I have been able to find, has renounced > them. How does one renounce something that may not have ever existed or cannot be authenticated? See, they could be set up either way. If they renounce it and it is later proved a fake then some might say they should have known it was a fake and by taking it seriously and renouncing it, they must be covering up something else. I know it's twisted - but that's how some of these things seem to play out these days. > Karl Rove is betting that if he can raise enough doubt in the public's mind, > they will be dismissed. It worked in the Kerry character assassination, it > has worked so many times before. Maybe this time, things are spinning out > of the Spinmeister's control. Come on Randy - people have got to stop thinking Rove is the ultimate mastermind behind everything. He really isn't that good or clever and gets far more credit than he deserves. Rove didn't raise the doubts - Smith did by his own admission! It sounds like the writing of the memo, if fake, was somewhat masterful, but the execution was ridiculous. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:58:00 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: njc Downing Street Memos inauthentic Oh God Richard - think what you want and interpret what you want but you are making some big leaps. The insanity to me is in the constant jumping to conclusions before evidence is proven and getting oneself all worked up about it. Never called anyone with a differing opinion a traitor or insane. And once again, I'm not the one who originally brought up Clinton. I have a right to be concerned with some people wanting to impeach the president just as you have the right to endorse it and express hostility to those who oppose it. That's OK I'm just a non-human on the other side who doesn't deserve to live or think or open their mouth. I do try to keep my mouth shut around here, I really do, but sometimes it just comes out. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:14:59 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: njc what is wrong with this picture David wrote: > Is it really impossible for some people to understand that maybe others > have researched this issue in depth and come to differing, yet still valid > and conscientious conclusions? That was *my* original question ;-) >The Policy for a New American Century advocated regime change in Iraq back >in 2000, and earlier, and its signatories included Cheney, Rumsfeld, >Wolfowitz, and Jeb Bush. Yes and so did the U.N. - at least in resolution and so did Clinton in his Iraq Liberation Act signed in 1998. Have you ever read it? Here is the link. http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=105_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ338.105 >As for "pinning" this on the President, well.........what ever happened to >"the buck stops here"? Depends. I can see where a president might say the buck stops here if, for example, he was either well into his first term of office or his second term and all the faulty intelligence gathered was done under his administration. In this case, Bush was barely in office when 9/11 hit and had not had much time to investigate the intel agencies or peruse and analyze in depth the prevailing intel. He had to go with what was available. Since what was available had been the "common wisdom" all around so to speak for the previous 12 or so years, it is understandable that some people might think it was safe to follow. But for him to be the sacrificial lamb in this would really set a bad precedent for future presidents. What if the next president is a Democrat and is put into a position of having to rely on intel gathered during the Bush admin.? What if the next president acts on that intel and then it is later shown to be faulty. Should that president shoulder all the blame for something that was prepared prior to his/her term? You can say, sure, but wouldn't that open the door for any/all succeeding presidents to be vulnerable to be taken down, based on something they did not originate? If we go that way, we could almost become like an undeveloped country with regular coups every few years. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #250 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)